[00:01:36] [discord] does anyone know how can i get checkUser permission ?!!! [00:01:42] [discord] it grayed out [00:03:07] [discord] It's a highly-restricted access, since there's privacy concerns with access to that tool. [00:03:08] [discord] [00:03:09] [discord] More details: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/CheckUser [00:03:59] [discord] If you need a CheckUser done, you'll need to contact a [[Steward]] [00:03:59] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward [00:04:00] [discord] [00:04:04] [discord] i am the administrator/ Bureaucrat [00:04:05] [discord] Otherwise, we don't grant the permission out [00:04:18] [discord] as it lets you view others personal info [00:05:23] [discord] ok, thanks, good to know [00:23:16] [discord] it's a tough market I'm afraid [00:23:44] [discord] and if you lack audience it is even harder to find trustworthy members from it who can be functionaries ie admin or developers of the wiki [00:24:23] [discord] I'm mostly familiar with dreamlogos.miraheze.org which seems to be a little broken at the moment in operation [00:25:04] [discord] I think we had an interesting character who liked making a lot of alts who operated his own offshoot of the clg dream idea as well [00:26:01] [discord] Oh, I remember one of those users, I think I approved a few of them... [00:26:37] [discord] they can be slippery [00:30:13] [discord] Oh neat, one of them is still open and has 3 pages. [01:17:57] [discord] @Tali64 how do I import the charts? [01:18:26] [discord] What charts do you mean? [01:26:31] [discord] the pie charts and stuff [01:45:21] [discord] @Tali64 [01:47:07] [discord] Enable Graphs on your wiki and follow the instructions on its official documentation page (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Graph) to set it up [01:50:04] [discord] Where is it on settings? [01:51:40] [discord] @Tali64 [01:52:41] [discord] actually sorry for the constant pinging [01:52:56] [discord] Actually, it's just called Graph, and it's in the parser hooks tab of the ManageWiki extensions page [01:53:03] [discord] It's found under manage extensions > Parser Hooks. It also needs JsonConfig, found under Other, and CodeEditor, found under Editors [02:54:23] [discord] @NotAracham any clue how to generate a sitemap for a wiki? [02:54:56] [discord] i'm not sure how to [02:56:14] [discord] haha i'm just assuming you know sorry about that [02:59:15] [discord] It's an automatic activity [02:59:24] [discord] I think it's done weekly, will check, one second [03:01:03] [discord] Yeah, every sunday [03:01:21] [discord] ah gotcha, thanks [03:01:35] [discord] a phab task was created, no sitemap for wiki [03:01:46] [discord] my wiki doesn't have one either as it's a private wiki, but that one is public [03:01:49] [discord] slightly odd [03:02:01] [discord] Oh yeah, has to be a public wiki IIRC. [03:02:08] [discord] Has it existed for at least one saturday? [03:02:31] [discord] i can check [03:03:19] [discord] @NotAracham it has [03:03:32] [discord] Weird. Probably valid to investigate then [03:04:51] [discord] yeah, though I believe a sysadmin should be able to run `sudo -u www-data php /srv/mediawiki/w/extensions/MirahezeMagic/maintenance/generateMirahezeSitemap.php --wiki bristolstudenthousingcoopwiki` [03:05:01] [discord] that (I believe) creates a sitemap manually [03:05:42] [discord] Probably, but we should probably also figure out why it didn't get generated [03:06:43] [discord] yep, as far as I can see the wiki hasn't ever been private [03:06:44] [discord] so it's odd [03:08:25] [discord] @NotAracham let me know if you see something in https://bristolstudenthousingcoop.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=500&days=30 that i can't, but it doesn't look like there are any settings preventing it [03:09:11] [discord] oh wait never mind, it is private, but some pages are whitelisted, which is why it was confusing [03:15:24] [discord] sitemaps aren't private, right? like if they've been generated they can be viewed by anyone? [03:24:44] [discord] Gets outside my domain of expertise at this point [03:25:11] [discord] gotcha [03:25:15] [discord] thanks for your help thus far [03:25:32] [discord] to be quite honest outside of my domain as well [03:28:49] [discord] Wait, why would a private wiki need a sitemap? [03:29:08] [discord] who knows, one of them requested it though [03:29:10] [discord] not really sure [03:29:21] [discord] Since the primary use is for search engine visibility... yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. [03:34:19] [discord] you can ask them on phabricator haha [03:34:21] [discord] not really sure [04:04:33] [discord] my best guess [04:04:41] [discord] is that they're using mediawiki as a content management system [04:04:44] [discord] and whitelisted a few pages [04:05:23] [discord] but kept the rest [04:05:24] [discord] private [04:05:28] [discord] like for drafting purposes etc [05:29:04] [discord] what if i contacted the person with the closed wiki and referred them to miraheze 🤔 [05:29:04] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1078549099227398246/image.png [05:29:39] [discord] Imagine asking for help and getting your wiki deleted [05:29:49] [discord] We already have 'random' wikis, they'd be directed to do stuff there [05:30:27] [discord] But yeah, that's a... whole choice of a response by Fandom Support. [05:30:55] [discord] they would probably need to get a private wiki to get it approved [05:31:07] [discord] couldnt be public [05:31:15] [discord] fandom support isnt too helpful with anything [05:31:50] [discord] also F [05:31:50] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1078549796756914236/image.png [05:33:11] [discord] Big ooof. 😦 [05:33:41] [discord] yes lmao [05:33:49] [discord] unsurprisingly the new wiki that rangerkid made on fandom got closed [05:33:55] [discord] i dont think that anyone is going to host it [05:34:00] [discord] except maybe telepedia [05:34:40] [discord] If Miraheze kicks things off, which is a lot more open then most hosts, it likely wont find anywhere else with much credibility or rules at all that will host it. [05:36:46] [discord] Maaaybe shoutwiki or... wikidot? [05:40:39] [discord] i cant tell if shoutwiki is active or maintained anymore [05:40:41] [discord] and i forgot what wikidot is [05:40:48] [discord] It's still alive technically [05:41:04] [discord] telepedia is probably their best shot because they accepted qualitipedia [05:41:05] [discord] they've just a lot on their plate and stuck on 1.34 [05:41:12] [discord] makes sense [05:41:38] [discord] maybe though Telepedia focuses on TV and shows [05:41:47] [discord] oh makes sense [05:41:50] [discord] If they start accepting everything we kick off then I don't think that'll be pretty to manage [05:41:56] [discord] lmaoo yeah [05:41:57] [discord] Yeah it is still around. I talk with two of their staff members fairly often on IRC also, so they are still often around. [05:42:04] [discord] makes sense [06:02:49] [discord] @Site Reliability Engineering / @Infrastructure Engineers Phabricator is offline again [06:02:53] [discord] same error as previous [06:03:22] [discord] This time, I don't know how to fix. I don't see what is taking up all the space this time, or much of anything to clear. [06:03:38] [discord] so now what... [06:04:01] [discord] we can't just go without phab [06:04:54] [discord] I'd suggest probably pruning the piwik database if possible [06:05:08] [discord] Oh it looks like backups caused it this time... [06:06:29] Phabricator is EOL software anyway [06:07:18] [discord] true [06:07:29] [discord] Phabricator isn't the cause. [06:07:35] [discord] we should just create a wiki at phabricator.miraheze.org and use wikitext tickets [06:07:40] I never said it was the cause [06:07:49] [discord] All services will be down, grafana, icinga, Phabricator, Matomo. [06:08:00] @Agent Not a bad idea and I had a similar thought but why would it be named after phabricator if it wasn't running phabricator? [06:08:06] Something like bugtracker.miraheze.org would make more sense [06:08:44] [discord] bugtracker would be a good general domain for any issue tracker whether it's Phabricator or not [06:10:21] Also CosmicAlpha can you fix your nicknames when you are not busy with backups? [06:11:45] [discord] how urgent of an issue is phab being down [06:11:53] [discord] unbreak now i assume [06:12:02] Yeah you better make a phab task about it [06:12:03] Wait... [06:18:27] @Agent You still there? [06:19:25] [discord] ugh... I keep trying to go to Phabricator... [06:21:38] Wait because I said to make a phab task ? [06:21:40] I was joking [06:21:55] The joke is that you can't make a phab task about phab being down, because phab is down [06:22:12] [discord] No, I kept trying to go to comment on one that already exists about this being caused by backups. [06:22:48] [discord] so are we down permanently then [06:22:52] [discord] No [06:22:58] Yes, phabricator will never be back [06:23:01] (that was another joke) [06:24:35] [discord] We will switch to Phorge eventually. [06:26:07] Agent's suggestion to switch to MediaWiki was cool [06:26:18] Wiki creations and SRE should also have their own wikis IMO [06:28:48] [discord] Phabricator should be back online. [06:29:33] Neat [06:29:43] I was about to go to bed but phabricator is good [06:29:52] Anyone had a chance to look at the epic new extensions yet? [08:06:14] [discord] does anyone know how i put a miraheze domain into autowiki browser correctly? [08:07:44] [discord] `https://.miraheze.org/w/` I think. [08:08:55] [discord] https://moviepedia.miraheze.org/w/ [08:09:11] [discord] Yes, I think so... [08:09:15] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1078589412788666398/hmm.PNG [08:09:53] [discord] Maybe not the https:// part? [08:10:59] [discord] If still no, you may need to update AWB. [08:11:30] [discord] says update dont exist therefore, doesnt need to be run [08:11:58] [discord] You may need to manually download a new version, sometimes the updater doesn't work. [08:12:39] [discord] 6.2.1.0 [08:12:42] [discord] Been a little while since I used AWB, and I have to go for tonight now, but really IDK if that doesn't work. [08:13:45] [discord] may of found the issue to the problem [08:14:25] [discord] Could use JWB also as an alternative to AWB maybe. [08:14:50] [discord] got a link for it [08:14:52] [discord] yeh didnt work [08:14:55] [discord] [08:15:57] [discord] I am going now. [13:42:23] [discord] Goodnight! [13:50:39] [discord] @Meta-Wiki Administrators if any of you cross-over to devwiki sysops, could my common.js page be deleted (i'm unable to add the normal deletion page because it's a JS/CSS page) [13:52:08] [discord] You can just blank it to request that it be deleted [13:52:23] [discord] devwiki is rarely edited [13:52:27] [discord] so that wouldn't work [13:52:49] You can add the normal delete page [13:52:54] The tracker still works [13:53:00] It just doesn’t show a template [13:53:04] [discord] Done [13:53:12] [discord] thanks Zppix [13:54:37] Why not just leave it blank, though? [14:01:23] [discord] telepedia is relatively strict on content policy so rlv has no chance there [14:01:53] [discord] I'd say _very_ strict even from what I've seen. They look for very niche topics and things so chances of something getting approved there are slim [14:02:36] [discord] well they approved a form of qualitipedia, so I can't call it as strict as I expected [14:03:00] [discord] but definitely you need to justify relevance to what the explicit topics are or it's a no go, rlv has no chance of doing so [14:03:23] [discord] you know Nale doesn't see reactions [14:03:23] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1078678532466679849/image.png [14:03:29] [discord] maybe that was intended [14:05:45] [discord] rlv failed at fixing sources issues? [14:05:53] [discord] I think sre sort of has a wiki and yes, rlv did fail [14:06:21] [discord] could someone direct me of how to contact the board? [14:06:25] [discord] wiki creators on their own wiki is something that was thought of before, we just didn't see enough pertinence to actually move on the idea [14:06:37] [discord] say hello to void or owen [14:06:57] [discord] Collei, replies don't go tru beidge [14:07:00] [discord] @Orduin and @Owen please dm me when you get a chance [14:07:47] [discord] you would probably get better mileage if you put in that step instead [14:08:03] [discord] then you could immediately start with what you're on about instead of unnecessary intermediary posts of contact [14:10:21] [discord] i know that [14:10:23] [discord] but he can infer the context [14:10:36] [discord] > rlv failed at fixing sources issue? [14:10:37] [discord] yes they failed and their wiki was made private [14:10:58] [discord] and they were given time to fix it in private [14:11:09] [discord] that is not within their interests though they dont feel like fixing the problem [14:14:23] [discord] Why do you need the board [14:14:23] [discord] it was never intended to take the subject all that seriously, instead a bit of a ranting platform that was usually based on what people remembered hearing about if we're doing them credit [14:30:46] [discord] how does one fail at sourcing? or was that much content just untrue and thus unsourceable? [14:31:48] [discord] their wiki covered real life villains [14:31:52] [discord] and had [14:31:54] [discord] thousands of pages [14:32:00] [discord] but only around ~300 of them were sourced [14:32:05] [discord] mostly rumours [14:32:08] [discord] i spent some time trying to add sources and it was just a mess [14:32:19] [discord] some of the pages were things like people convicted of rioting during january 6th [14:32:28] [discord] so those were easier to source [14:32:31] [discord] people hate to source and fact check, if you ask me [14:32:36] [discord] but a lot of it is just peoples subjective opinions [14:33:58] [discord] The issue is that they focus on real people. When you focus on real people, especially those still alive, you must provide sources to back your claims or else it's libel [14:36:49] [discord] i vaguely remember that there was at least one entirely provably untrue article that nobody did anything about [14:37:25] [discord] @Colleiflower put an abuse filter that doesn't allow pages with sources [14:37:34] [discord] wut [14:37:50] [discord] i think he means disallowing pages without sources [14:38:00] [discord] I don't think that's possible [14:38:04] [discord] good luck making a reliable abusefilter for that [14:38:04] [discord] might be good in theory but a lot of the damage was already done because the wiki still had 3k pages up [14:38:17] [discord] you cant just retroactively disallow edits that already happened [14:38:38] [discord] most of the newer pages were sourced because they were being told they need to add citations but they still had thousands of unsourced articles about real people and organizations [14:38:44] [discord] anyway yeah, untrue content at times plus a lot of writing based off memory or hearsay that could be difficult or impossible to source and people didn't want to write the pages to be true and sourced up [14:39:20] [discord] easier to make a page when you don't need to actually research the topic and you can just write off the cuff or base off a wikipedia summary [14:39:51]