[00:08:32] [discord] I mean it is meant as literally a notepad, the most basic form of text scribbling down, to take notes, was never meant to do anything big. If you want anything more than basic writing (including syntax highlighting), get notepad++ instead [00:19:28] [discord] I'll second n++ if you want anything more sophisticated than notepad, which does exactly as intended and nothing more [00:26:12] [discord] Yeah, superb (if windows-only) solution [00:26:52] [discord] nqq for linux [00:28:30] [discord] I very much appreciate that it has so many baked-in languages it can switch between syntax-highlighting for, handy in a pinch when you don't need a full IDE [00:57:53] [discord] I remember there's a wikitext syntax highlighting for notepad++, and also an off-site wikitext & editing VSC extension [00:58:59] [discord] Tho I do remember last time I used the notepad++ wikitext syntax highlighter it sucked [01:40:38] [discord] @Owen can you unban my friends ip range? @izzudin nur fatahillah [01:40:59] [discord] his IP range banned since March 2022 [01:41:12] [discord] but he didn't do it [01:55:59] [discord] Pinging in general is not the same as DM, please DM Owen or email the ts@miraheze.org alias. General chat channels will not be able to assist. [03:28:38] [discord] this talk page just threw me for a loop [03:28:43] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Josiah_Purtee&diff=317687&oldid=317684&diffmode=source [03:28:47] [discord] yikes [03:50:45] [discord] found a bug 🙏 [03:51:17] [discord] my simple support requests making changes across the miraheze curriculum [03:54:02] [discord] what? [03:54:29] [discord] i’m afraid i don’t understand [03:55:36] [discord] i just be joshin, yknow? just goofin a bit. [03:57:44] [discord] Om brand new to the administration side of wikis, what are modules exactly and how do i add/install them to my wiki? I want to use the multiple images module ive seen on other wikis [04:00:30] [discord] the wiki that is linked throws me even more for a loop for how pubescent its management is in the recent changes log [04:00:30] [discord] https://drawnfanonfeet.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=120&days=30&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 [04:01:53] [discord] Modules are Lua code, you basically add them like any other page, except they need to be in the module namespace (ie. their pagename must start with "Module:") [04:03:51] [discord] Wow! drawnfanonfeet wiki? I surely wont be clicking this. 🙏😄 [04:04:16] [discord] Hmmm, I wonder if it may fall under similar copyright claims to the other... [04:04:35] [discord] perhaps [04:04:48] [discord] in any case the block log is particularly 'wut' inducing [04:04:56] [discord] Drawn Fanon Feet Wiki? I think you mean the Cartoon Furries Foot Scene Wiki. [04:05:05] [discord] because they would have different names of course [04:05:33] [discord] it's all in the same vein of obviously weird wikis [04:05:40] [discord] God is dead and we have killed him :pupCoffeeMH: [04:05:44] [discord] the outer bounds of platform tolerance [04:05:45] [discord] So if i go to it, copy and paste the source code of the page with the right page name, it should work? Thought i did it but i could have messed up [04:06:03] [discord] well now that stewards are aware, I guess we'll have to look at it now [04:06:06] [discord] rip that wiki [04:06:10] [discord] this should be a CP violation… [04:06:31] [discord] if someone files a report then we can properly look at it [04:06:34] [discord] it certainly fits the same category of not bothering to attribute [04:06:41] [discord] doing on SN rn [04:06:49] [discord] Yep, so to recap: If a module exists on one wiki and you need it on yours, you go to the source edit on that wiki you're borrowing from, copy source code, then create an equivalently named page on your wiki [04:06:52] [discord] oh christ i clicked on one of the links in recent changes [04:06:56] [discord] that way it’s all on-wiki [04:07:17] [discord] If you have the templates that reference that module and they're still throwing errors, you may need to use the purge action on that page to get it to re-render [04:07:19] [discord] the fact you were looking means you were doomed already, it is a new member of your account history [04:07:35] [discord] 😳 [04:07:44] [discord] yeah, i visited the wiki a few minutes ago because i was looking at the home page [04:07:45] [discord] yikes [04:07:47] [discord] I have the plausible deniability of being attached to thousands of wikis anyway at least [04:07:50] [discord] Thanks, ill re attempt this when i can to see if i can get it to work [04:07:57] [discord] I forget, if a wiki gets nuked does it get deleted off your CentralAuth wiki list? [04:08:00] [discord] oh well it’ll be gone eventually, the wiki will be deleted anyway [04:08:03] [discord] yes [04:08:08] [discord] it didn't used to [04:08:11] [discord] dunno if it does now [04:08:12] [discord] unfortunately, i am attached to less than 5 [04:08:33] [discord] i personally don't like attaching my account to wikis I won't use [04:08:39] [discord] To recap the broader scope: [04:08:39] [discord] -Modules are lua code that lets mediawiki do new things [04:08:40] [discord] -Templates allow those modules' things to be used on articles [04:08:41] [discord] -Articles call templates to make use of modules' features [04:08:43] [discord] *smiles in not having to be associated with some cursed wikis I've reported* [04:08:58] [discord] same [04:09:13] [discord] i believe it soes [04:09:28] [discord] im gonna go back to my little wiki city and try and forget but not forgive [04:09:29] [discord] Being attached != having several hundred edits. I wouldn't worry [04:09:39] [discord] anywho give me 3 minutes [04:09:50] [discord] i have to absolutely murder this wiki in an SN report [04:10:04] [discord] it does if the wiki is dropped [04:10:07] [discord] im sure nobody would just one day look at all the profiles im attached to [04:10:14] [discord] if not then CentralAuth would die every time you login [04:10:27] [discord] true hahah [04:10:55] [discord] Yeah I mean that would basically be what happened with logins at the start of the db141 incident I would assume? [04:11:01] [discord] yep [04:11:09] [discord] I'd consider it generally foolish to judge a person by their wiki attachments [04:11:17] [discord] although I often use that to help determine lta, so dunno [04:11:42] [discord] A wide swath of wikis + small number of edits on several is waaay more suspect than just having visited several. [04:12:09] [discord] who the hell aporoved this wiki in the first place [04:12:29] [discord] I have a dream that one day wiki editors will not be judged by the number of their attachments but by the content of those edits [04:12:33] [discord] It was back in the roaring 2021s, things were a bit looser, reception wikis were as far as the digital eye could see [04:12:37] [discord] drawn fanon feet wiki…you’d think….yeah, it’s self explanatory [04:12:46] [discord] true i suppose [04:13:28] [discord] I'm attached to several dozen but only have edits on Meta and Twisted Wonderland. Did not immediately realize the attachment thing when going through the wiki directory during db141 to see if I found any interesting projects. [04:13:38] [discord] up to 2021 attachment was basically 'whatever' unless it was super extreme [04:13:42] [discord] its just a copy of the drawnfeet wiki SMH 🙄 [04:13:46] [discord] approval* [04:13:53] [discord] with its 9000 pages [04:14:01] [discord] our standards rose significantly with doug and later operatives [04:14:22] [discord] yeah, Doug definitely ushered in a new era in standards [04:14:22] [discord] might not have been doug who started it but he's the easiest reference point for when things became more formal [04:14:34] [discord] yep [04:14:50] [discord] Makes sense [04:14:56] [discord] it was certainly Doug who helped in part and instilled this in later WCs like me and DMM [04:15:08] [discord] who were the main WCs for a long time [04:15:17] [discord] It's not precisely against policy, we just have rules about NSFW or fetish content. Both DO have some tenuous standing on essentially being very big borderline-fileshares. [04:15:24] [discord] [[Special:Diff/317687]] what the actual f—k [04:15:24] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Diff/317687 [04:15:24] [discord] [04:15:30] [discord] enter at your own risk [04:15:37] [discord] there's very few wiki creators even remaining who aren't 100% up to speed and pretty much all active creators are up to standard or are/were in direct steward contact [04:15:46] [discord] entering [04:15:52] [discord] same thing i saw before [04:15:54] [discord] horrified still [04:15:57] [discord] yeah, it's weird shit [04:16:05] [discord] open platforms attract all types [04:16:12] [discord] anyone mind if that page is blanked or deleted [04:16:15] [discord] it’s weird man [04:16:26] [discord] I would not advise going ahead purely on the basis of 'its weird' [04:16:44] [discord] yeah, a sysop would have to delete [04:16:46] [discord] not me [04:16:56] [discord] could you link that exact page [04:16:57] [discord] Yeah, as much as I have an actual phobia of the topic in question, I wouldn't just boot it because it's personally creepy. [04:17:01] [discord] is it just CP [04:17:15] [discord] Sorry, to clarify: Content Policy violation [04:17:20] [discord] yeah, it's content policy/steward convention generally making us weary [04:17:27] [discord] fr i was so confused [04:17:35] [discord] Given the subject matter, understandable [04:17:41] [discord] thought the cp doesn't have too many explicit clauses pertaining to nsfw and not enough to directly address having weird foot fetishes [04:18:02] [discord] what bugs me is that the age range is obviously uncomfortably low in the content and characters that appear on the wikis [04:18:07] [discord] IDK about yall, but the Category:Characters with wiggly ticklish toes is my personal fav [04:18:20] [discord] Please don't. [04:18:21] [discord] yeah…. [04:18:23] [discord] the only thing I see that wiki being reportable for and going the way of the dodo is copyright issues, like it's parent wiki [04:18:26] [discord] I couldn't keep looking at the uploads section tbqh [04:18:31] [discord] too weird [04:18:34] [discord] don’t [04:18:35] [discord] categories are insane [04:18:44] [discord] not CP? [04:18:56] [discord] copyright issue are a CP issue [04:19:25] [discord] well in the sense NSFW as opposed to copyvio [04:19:32] [discord] for reporting [04:19:41] [discord] the history section is also insane [04:19:41] [discord] they do not sufficiently fall under nsfw for reporting purposes to be acted upon [04:20:04] [discord] foot fetish wikis are a grey area [04:20:06] [discord] it seems [04:20:31] [discord] @Agent can i just report the wiki and be done [04:20:35] [discord] and not visit the pages [04:20:43] [discord] that wiki scars me enough [04:20:52] [discord] I guess? [04:21:00] [discord] the reporting needs to be under the right basis [04:21:10] [discord] i can say copyvio [04:21:18] [discord] foot fetish wikis are not specifically prohibited [04:21:19] [discord] i’d just prefer not to visit these images [04:21:21] [discord] i was supposed to be working on my own wiki but no i just had to check here and now im down a rabbit hole [04:21:43] [discord] it is not unprecedented for the community to take a vote which blocks out a category on miraheze so perhaps a vote to kill that category and be done with would be useful [04:22:05] [discord] iirc over 75% of the pages in the cartoon swimwear wiki were tagged as "teens". Way too much underage stuff on these "not-sexually-suggestive fetish content" wikis :squint: [04:22:15] [discord] would that also affect #26 all time wiki *drawnfeet* [04:22:24] [discord] 🙏 a relic of our time 🙏 [04:22:58] [discord] if a profile can be built on that categorization and the argument made for fetishization, you may have a basis to invoke content policy for closure on top of likely copyvio [04:23:28] [discord] anyone have knowledge of where the copyvio cases are [04:23:56] [discord] i probably don’t have the mental strength to look at everything right now, though if no one does I can try [04:24:05] [discord] I doubt anyone has the wits to go through each file but if someone's gone through categories to argue fetishization, the content policy is much stronger in that area than it used to be to take care of it [04:24:13] [discord] The swimwear one was taken down some time ago since it had some suggestive stuff buried in there, but imho there's definitely a pattern with these. [04:24:36] [discord] looking [04:24:59] [discord] it probably is, there's been weird shit [04:25:21] [discord] I've come to lean that a general community argument against the wikis could be a good way to put them down considering the subject comes up every so often [04:25:33] [discord] i’m just going to argue NSFW and fetishes [04:25:42] [discord] someone else can add copyvio rationale if they wish [04:25:58] [discord] if there is a consensus that something is unacceptable and it comes up again and again then perhaps we need to block off that category as generally being too problematic for the platform, similar to how the reception wikis were [04:26:21] [discord] what would be the category you would propose [04:26:25] [discord] NSFW in general? [04:27:22] [discord] That's not gonna fly, that's over-broad. [04:27:25] [discord] that'd require a global CN and I'm certain it'll lopside towards opposing as the users from those wikis will all flood Meta and make a very rare appearance just to tip the scales [04:27:37] [discord] Also that [04:28:03] [discord] yeah i suppose [04:28:10] [discord] nsfw as a whole is not the problem or not per se even a problem [04:28:14] [discord] it's that category of feet wikis [04:28:42] [discord] imo if someone can compile a list of the wikis, i can probably go through and file a mass report on SN for it [04:29:01] [discord] although the worst of them have been struck as it is and the rest are even more isolated irrelevances on the fringes of the platform at least [04:30:04] [discord] can you guys help me how to add my wiki bot to my server [04:31:07] [discord] That's specialized knowledge that most here don't have. I think this might be what you're looking for? [04:31:08] [discord] https://wikibot.fandom.com/wiki/Wiki-Bot_Wiki [04:31:19] [discord] No [04:31:23] [discord] My miraheze wiki bot [04:31:27] [discord] to my server [04:31:33] [discord] like this #global-wiki-feed [04:34:19] [discord] Ohh, well you need to make a webhook on your discord server then, and copy it's URL to the settings on your wiki. If you need more specific help than that to make it work, I would suggest creating a thread in #support really, as it might get a bit longer and/or complicated to explain [04:35:04] [discord] K [04:35:11] [discord] which URL? [04:35:23] [discord] I know the URL is my wiki [04:36:14] [discord] yeah i’m about done @Agent, @raidarr [04:38:44] [discord] done [04:38:56] [discord] that was so uncomfortable [04:40:26] [discord] i’m…i’m weirded out now [04:41:07] [discord] As I said create a thread in #support about it. Makes it more likely for more people to see it, than in the middle of in here. Personally I am a bit too tired to go into it as well right now in more details, but if you make that thread, and noone answered before tomorrow, I will try and help you in there at some point tomorrow at least [04:58:42] [discord] i see why drawn feet wiki was subject to copyright issues [04:58:54] [discord] its a feet pic image board site essentially rihgt [04:58:57] [discord] *right [04:59:33] [discord] image boards like this that appeal to particular audiences have a history of hosting stolen content [05:00:31] [discord] like stuff from 18+ content creators that was locked behind an onlyfans paywall etc [05:00:44] [discord] and then when content creators find out they submit a DMCA takedown or something similar [05:11:56] [discord] this has happened again @Site Reliability Engineers [05:11:57] [discord] ``` [05:11:59] [discord] To avoid creating high replication lag, this transaction was aborted because the write duration (5.2104151248932) exceeded the 3 second limit. If you are changing many items at once, try doing multiple smaller operations instead. [05:12:00] [discord] [ada090bbd3187b3cb9604bf5] 2023-02-27 05:11:16: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBTransactionSizeError" [05:12:01] [discord] ``` [05:12:03] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1079631954930053120/image.png [05:12:08] [discord] this hadn't happened until recently [05:15:02] [discord] good morning, what I missed [05:16:29] [discord] I've increased the timeout from 3 to 6 seconds. [05:16:37] [discord] Should be deployed shortly. [05:22:17] [discord] got it [05:34:14] [discord] Have anyone applies the Pinterest Tag? [05:35:05] [discord] looks like this? [05:35:06] [discord] ```html [05:35:07] [discord] [05:35:09] [discord] [05:35:21] [discord] [05:35:27] [discord] [05:35:28] [discord] ``` [05:39:51] [discord] privacy concerns [05:40:31] [discord] Hmm still couldn't get this to work. Copied over Module:Multiple_image, Template:Multiple_image, and Template:Multiple_image/doc straight from the miraheze meta wiki itself. At the bottom of the docs on my wiki i got thrown script errors which 2 or 3 templates next to it, which i then copied over until there were no specified templates. Still showing script error: No such module "Check for unknown parameters" but i cant fig [05:42:01] [discord] If you've brought over the module called check for unknown parameters, try using the purge action on the page with the error to force the server to reparse it. [05:42:24] [discord] I need to call it a night, but perhaps another user might be able to assist [05:45:40] [discord] Appreciate the help. The error stopped showing up, but the module still doesn't work correctly. [05:48:05] [discord] hmm [05:48:07] [discord] oh yeah [05:48:09] [discord] iirc [05:48:18] [discord] its *technically* possible to directly invoke a module from a page [05:48:21] [discord] but it's not a great idea [05:50:53] [discord] Oh, i might have to enable an extension that wasen't enabled [05:52:01] [discord] Also possible [05:58:12] [discord] How can I access my sitemap, in this case `lhmnwiki`? [05:58:26] [discord] I'm working on optimizing my wiki. [06:02:09] [discord] . miraheze.org/sitemap.xml [06:02:25] [discord] Yeah the docs still aren't working right for some reason, but the actual module seems to be working fine after enabling the extensions. I wish this was mentioned int he docs. [06:02:41] [discord] Refreshed weekly on Saturdays [06:05:31] [discord] pinterest is owned by google by doubt it's automatic? ~~the fucking thing fucks up all search engines instead ugh~~ [06:13:35] [discord] Pinterest is owned by google? [06:28:41] [discord] my bad, it's not ... idk why I thought so ... [06:28:45] [discord] sorry [06:29:11] [discord] but anyway, I wouldn't want my wikis to be crawled by pinterest lol [06:42:09] [discord] Pinterest is not owned by google [06:59:58] [discord] @picses [07:00:06] [discord] fuck sent that before finishing and mistyped your name [07:00:31] [discord] if you want pinterest's "crawler" to find your website, make a pinterest.com account and post your site on there [07:00:44] [discord] :sadness: [07:00:55] [discord] pinterest is more like a social media platform than a search engine though its not really either of those anyway [07:01:40] [discord] I already make and verify my wiki. Now we just wait while also providing Pins? [07:03:43] [discord] im not sure what you mean but you can post parts of your wiki on pinterest if you want to [07:03:50] [discord] pinterest is mostly a website to find ideas for certain things [07:03:53] [discord] so post in that format [07:18:57] [discord] want change wiki setting but everything is greyed out x( [07:30:01] [discord] sure you are logged in? [07:44:50] [discord] Can anyone give me some idea on how the spoiler template should be? [07:45:03] [discord] yeah [07:46:11] [discord] Hmm... [08:00:19] [discord] ._. [08:25:31] [discord] i did the auth thing and it didnt help [08:31:32] [discord] you got 2 accounts? [08:32:14] [discord] Hold on, you turned off commands here... [08:32:46] [discord] there's a chance that correct admin rights won't apply after wiki creation tho, you should leave a request on [[Stewards Noticeboard]] and they'll see [08:32:46] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards_Noticeboard [08:32:47] [discord] [08:33:21] [discord] wrong link ugh [08:33:29] [discord] look it up on Meta wiki [08:48:50] [discord] Using [\[SN]\] is simpler for that also. [09:02:58] [discord] Just to make sure I'm not missing something, does this include listing a particular fictional character's "obsessions" (as I tend to refer to it)? 🤔 [09:04:53] [discord] 187 uncategorized pages [09:04:55] [discord] my genuine reaction [09:11:38] [discord] Miraheze logo is cool [09:11:44] [discord] I like it [09:12:02] [discord] :mirahezelogo: [09:18:07] [discord] What was your experience connecting a Miraheze wiki with a domain name? [09:54:53] [discord] alright appreciate for the help [09:55:10] [discord] easy? especially with Cloudflare, you may not require to have the SSL from MH, but with their Universal SSL certicate. [09:55:34] [discord] As long as you do not proxies the CNAME record. [10:10:58] [discord] And wait, if I choose to let Cloudflare handle the SSL, can I enable their proxies? [10:27:09] [discord] No, we don't allow that [10:27:19] [discord] I thought I did mention you should read the Cloudflare page [10:28:21] [discord] Yes, I checked it out, just some shower thought :bruh: [10:28:49] [discord] But if that so, how can I use it as my certicate? [10:48:01] [discord] You cant use universal SSL certificates for Miraheze wikis [10:48:21] [discord] Cloudflare must be in DNS only mode [10:48:39] [discord] We provide free certificates via Lets Encrypt that are automatically managed [10:48:55] [discord] Uhhhh… how would I go about using the script? [10:48:55] [discord] (I've never done that sort of thing in. Like. Ever, so…) [11:56:27] [discord] Thank you, I understood now. [12:27:45] [discord] So if it happens again, I think literally all you would need to do actually is add this line to Mediawiki:Common.js: [12:27:46] [discord] `document.querySelector('#ca-ve-edit').style.display='block';` [14:50:25] [discord] Goodnight! [16:02:54] When real life villains wiki get closed? [16:03:44] [discord] right now [16:04:50] What does that mean? [16:06:49] [discord] Guest87: look at RLV [16:07:19] I get it [16:19:48] [discord] the real life villains wiki was closed for unsourced accusations against living people [16:19:57] [discord] the admins were given several chances to fix it and did very little [16:20:23] [discord] once it got closed instead of trying to fix it they went back to their old wiki host that had closed the wiki in question for the same problem to attempt to re-start the wiki and doing so got their wiki closed back there [16:20:40] [discord] didnt word that well [16:22:11] [discord] I just checked the wiki you all talked about earlier and honestly I expected it to be worse, this average sonic fan deviant art shit [16:53:43] [discord] <[C] Charlie99> Anyone got like a good step by step guide for an infobox [16:53:54] [discord] <[C] Charlie99> how to get one to show [17:05:59] [discord] check pinned messages here for PortableInfobox - so far the easiest way to create infoboxes [17:06:31] [discord] <[C] Charlie99> which link is just a guide [17:06:34] [discord] <[C] Charlie99> step by step [17:06:36] [discord] <[C] Charlie99> to get it in [17:07:55] [discord] ive got unsourced details about fictional characters 😳 [17:08:30] [discord] it's pretty visible up there but alright [17:08:31] [discord] [17:08:32] [discord] first you should enable PortableInfobox extension on your wiki tho [17:08:52] [discord] <[C] Charlie99> how do i do that [17:09:18] [discord] via Manage this wiki's extension admin menu, parser hooks tab [17:09:42] [discord] <[C] Charlie99> wheres the admin menu [17:10:07] [discord] sidebar on the left, bottom [17:10:39] [discord] <[C] Charlie99> manage this wikis extensions? [17:10:47] [discord] yes, I said that [17:12:31] [discord] <[C] Charlie99> thanks [17:27:39] [discord] it becomes a particular issue on articles with critical content against real people and entities, because in such circumstances come accusations of libel [17:34:08] [discord] Hello. Maybe the devs can comment about this task about MixedNamespaceSearchSuggestions https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T323200#8648600? [17:40:16] [discord] likely phab is as usual a little behind, sre will comment when available [17:40:31] [discord] oh I see [17:40:45] [discord] try dropping in #ID:1006789349498699827 to reduce chances of it being lost [17:45:58] [discord] Probably not an issue, Content Policy 6 and additional rules for NSFW/Fetish wikis can both be found at: [17:45:59] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy [17:46:00] [discord] As a general rule fictional content of a sexual nature (including sexual obsessions/fetishes) involving a fictitious adult character are acceptable content as long as the NSFW rules are followed, if that fictional character is a minor that is **NOT** acceptable content. [17:46:01] [discord] If you're referring to non-sexual obsessions like OCD behavioral quirks, zero problems with that content as long as it otherwise abides by content policy. [18:04:42] hiya [18:04:53] anyone here? i have a question to ask [18:05:31] [discord] Feel free to just ask, no need to preamble [18:05:45] ah sweet [18:05:59] anyhoo- anyone know how to edit a particular skin for a wiki? [18:06:11] or add shortcuts to visual editor? [18:06:23] if not, are there any liberachats/ ircs i should ask? [18:06:52] [discord] You can edit a skin via MediaWiki:(skin name).css [18:07:26] huh [18:07:30] how do i edit the color palette? [18:07:43] is there a guide online anywhere- especially a text one [18:08:01] [discord] You need a decent knowledge of MediaWiki class names and CSS [18:08:07] class names? [18:08:17] but is there a guide written out? [18:08:33] [discord] In HTML, elements can be assigned classes that distinguish them from other, similar elements [18:08:39] i have no intention of drastically overhauling a whole skin or making one new, but changing colors used [18:08:44] ahh [18:09:18] CSS/HTML stuff is easy to look up, but do you still have an edit guide for the mediawiki thing? like where and how do i edit/test it? [18:09:51] [discord] You can edit it by clicking "Edit" at the top of the page [18:10:01] [discord] You can preview it by clicking "Show preview" [18:10:09] do i add a new version that way or does it just become the old one? [18:10:17] [discord] We don't have a start-to-finish guide, but Mediawiki has some details on their help pages: [18:10:17] provided i finish the edits yada yada [18:10:17] [discord] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins [18:10:21] ahh ty [18:11:15] [discord] Short version is, your wiki has user-specific CSS pages, found under User:/.css, you can navigate to them and change them via Preferences > Appearance [18:11:29] [discord] Changes there are reflected near-instantly for you only, and are a great way to test visual chagnes. [18:11:54] so does it add my edits as a new skin or overwrite the previous one? [18:12:12] [discord] the .css files add onto what skins are doing [18:12:27] ahh [18:12:38] so you make a bunch of stuff in css, add it to the skins [18:12:51] [discord] Skins define how the user interacts with the wiki, CSS changes what the elements on a wiki's page looks like but don't inherently add new functionality. [18:13:04] [discord] you may find it easier to test by editing the .css files in your preferences/user space and then adding them to the main css files for the wiki; in that order because the main css files take time to reflect changes [18:13:12] nod nod [18:13:17] [discord] on local css you will see changes immediately on preview as well as save [18:13:33] is there a place to test .css stuff in the wiki? [18:13:43] [discord] that is what I mean about your preferences/user space [18:13:49] ah [18:14:08] [discord] Adding custom CSS under Preferences > Appearance and clicking on the CSS for the skin you're using make changes that only appear for you [18:14:10] [discord] make changes there, try it out, forward successful work to the wiki's main css pages [18:14:27] when i add the new skin to the list, can i make it default for all other users as the admin? [18:14:47] [discord] you can also get instant results by changing things in the browser's code inspector, though it can be tricky to know what to edit and how [18:14:58] [discord] Making CSS changes doesn't make a new skin [18:15:05] [discord] your changes to the css are already default [18:15:19] so it overwrites entirely [18:15:23] [discord] but if you want to make the skin you are changing the default, you do so through Special:ManageWiki/settings in the styling menu [18:15:30] [discord] yes, changes in the .css files overwrite default skin behavior [18:15:44] okay okay, is there a way to keep the old version as an option [18:16:06] [discord] Removing the CSS reverts the skin to the original state, nothings is lost. [18:16:14] no, i mean keep both [18:16:15] [discord] Overwrite is probably the wrong word here, override is probably a better fit. [18:16:30] like have both the new color palette version and the old one [18:17:39] [discord] not easily, what I can think of I think does different things like the themes extension (which allows multiple flavors on supported skins, haven't used it) [18:17:54] [discord] Like a toggle switch that turns it on and off? [18:17:58] [discord] That can be achieved through JavaScript [18:18:20] no [18:18:32] i mean have two different versions in the list of available skins [18:19:02] argh [18:19:09] maybe what i want is technically a theme? [18:19:10] [discord] yeah, themes is the only extension/tool I know of which would support something like that [18:19:19] yeah theme, my bad [18:19:24] also [18:19:28] [discord] and again, have not used that one [18:19:34] where do i submit a petition to change the name of my wiki [18:19:54] [discord] Use ManageWiki to change the sitename of your wiki [18:19:58] [discord] that will be on phabricator if you mean url/database name, otherwise the display name is in the main Special:ManageWiki menu [18:20:16] for both honestly raidarr [18:20:33] [discord] so yeah, a trip to phab will be needed to cover url/database [18:20:43] [discord] the display name is easily covered from there [18:21:00] [discord] [[Phabricator]] [18:21:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phabricator [18:21:01] [discord] [18:21:10] i've got the phabricator on standby dw [18:24:52] aight thank you so much yall for the help so far [18:27:29] [discord] np, best of luck [19:41:51] [discord] solving a problem that i myself created 👌 [19:51:05] [discord] No problem 😊👍 [20:43:22] [discord] is there any template/module that counts how many articles are in a category? [20:44:57] huh [20:45:15] see the phabricator thing took much faster than i expected. however, i still cannot log in and the instructions i was given are unclear [20:45:56] does anyone know how to log back into the account? [20:46:50] [discord] Use {{PAGESINCAT:(category name)}} [20:46:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/PAGESINCAT:Template:(category_name) [20:46:51] [discord] [20:47:04] it keeps saying "No active login attempt is in progress for your session" [20:47:06] [discord] 🤝 [20:47:14] [discord] thanks wiki-bot, very helpful [20:49:32] [discord] You can always use the 🗑️ emoji on a wikibot response to make it disappear, btw. [20:52:00] [discord] hes doing his best [20:54:44] yeah i'm trying to delete my history of miraheze results, but i'm on a chromebook and it's taking one eternity for the deletions to even load [20:55:01] i'm beginning to worry i broke the history thing. also, the incognito logout didn't work [20:57:20] anyone here know what i'm referring to? [21:01:57] yeah i finally deleted all my relevant history for my wiki and it's still not letting me log in [21:02:00] what do i do? [21:02:07] i'll just restart brb [21:04:12] update [21:04:19] it still said "No active login attempt is in progress for your session." [21:04:27] what do i do to log into my wiki- what happened? [21:04:36] i can log into the miraheze site itself just fine [21:04:56] Weird [21:05:18] What Phabricator thing are you referring to? [21:05:28] the name change of my wiki [21:05:50] Have you cleared cookies for all Miraheze wikis? [21:06:11] yes [21:06:18] i deleted the history at least [21:06:58] i also restarted after doing this [21:07:57] do you know what to do? [21:08:20] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10556 here's the link to specific phabricator. if i'm unavailable by the time you've an answer, please post it there [21:08:27] *phabricator task [21:11:24] the issue with clearing every single cookie beyond mere history examples is i have a lot on my history and it's not easy to remove every single one without removing all of it. i can search history with the specific site, but unsure about anything else [21:12:01] i'll be on me way for a bit, please go to the phabricator task link if you've any advice. thanks in advance [23:17:31] [discord] i dont understand how i have edit conflicts when im the only one editing my wiki [23:17:38] [discord] confuse! [23:20:21] [discord] You probably clicked the save button twice [23:35:46] [discord] Hello! Sorry, I feel like I could keep looking for hours, when someone might alright know the answer... <(_ _)> [23:35:46] [discord] What should I use in a Wiki's css to change the colour of the sidebar and TOC? I mean the background, which is currently white. [23:35:47] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1079909739984584734/image.png [23:44:25] [discord] that makes more sense [23:52:58] [discord] hey guys, i'm trying to use the see also template but its just showing html tags for `````` and ``````. I have templatestyles extension installed and the css imported, not sure what to do about the translate tag. Any idea why these aren't working?