[00:04:49] [discord] Is there a way to change the license on a file without deleting it and reuploading it? [00:10:21] [discord] @PastelShark Hello? Excuse me, mirahaze account is not linked right now. [00:12:09] [discord] @Nibbly [00:12:36] [discord] Uh why did you ping me [00:13:01] [discord] I thought you were the manager. I'm sorry. [00:13:25] [discord] @paladox [00:13:34] [discord] please do not ping random people hoping to find the right one [00:13:39] [discord] :BanCatMH: [00:13:42] [discord] also what raidarr said [00:13:47] [discord] Noo [00:13:57] [discord] I don't have any permissions anywhere except for this Discord so I can't really help you [00:13:59] [discord] first of all you need to clarify what you're asking because the question as presented does not make sense [00:14:11] [discord] Yes.. [00:14:13] [discord] Sorry [00:14:18] [discord] what do you mean 'not linked right now' - if you want to authenticate, use the /auth command on discord if that is what you mean [00:15:26] [discord] If I do that, they say they'll send me a DM in a few seconds, but they won't. [00:16:23] [discord] @IVORK bot issues? ^ [00:19:48] [discord] :typing: [00:19:53] [discord] Would have thought the key issue was dealt with, or is that still happening [00:20:09] [discord] Takes some time for to changes on discords end [00:20:19] [discord] Wait [00:20:28] [discord] Has to manually scan every server since it can no longer hold them all in the cache [00:20:39] [discord] ah, so it'll just take time then [00:20:57] [discord] OK. [00:21:10] [discord] Thank you very much! [00:21:39] [discord] apologies for how the timing is working out [00:21:48] [discord] Maybe it's just high šŸ¤· [00:21:49] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1081008490832732230/SmartSelect_20230303_105127_Discord.jpg [00:22:46] [discord] bots be that way from time to time [00:22:56] [discord] I heard complaining elsewhere of discord itself going poof too [00:23:11] [discord] discord bots are a pain [00:25:24] [discord] @IVORK does the bot use an OAuth consumer, and if so, did you happen to reset it? I accidentally broke something that needs all of those secret keys regenerated now. [00:25:25] [discord] This was my mess-up that caused some issues (when I reset MediaWiki' secret key), and I am wondering if this is yet another affected instance from it? [00:27:42] [discord] Also @MarkusRost for Wiki-Bot also, seems it has some as well that may need regenerated, if you have some that it uses still and haven't yet. [00:27:49] [discord] Here I ask for the photo, my friend have some problem establishing the miraheze account. After he establish the account, it always show this error message which roughly translates to [00:27:49] [discord] "There seems to be a problem with your login connection phase. In order to prevent hijacking attacks during the connection phase, the action has been cancelled. Please resubmit the form." [00:27:50] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1081010002535395388/IMG_0039.png [00:28:19] [discord] has he cleared cache and cookies? [00:29:56] [discord] What if it still doesn't work [00:30:26] [discord] let me test real fast [00:31:39] [discord] if it still doesn't work then let us know [00:31:48] [discord] Yeah true, haven't had the chance yet, read it as a 'will need to be changed' rather than that it's broken right now [00:32:20] [discord] > 401: Error while getting the mediawiki token: Client authentication failed [00:33:04] [discord] @CosmicAlpha thoughts re: https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5145 (nothing substantial just grammar) [00:33:17] [discord] assuming it can just be pushed out [00:33:41] [discord] Yeah any OAuth token generated before February 28th will need to be refreshed. [00:33:58] [discord] what happened that caused all the key errors? [00:35:16] [discord] MediaWiki secret key got rotated. Due to the way this works, all OAuth keys generated with the old key are no longer determined to be valid. [00:35:43] [discord] I don't think I've touched miraheze in years tbh, mind linking the page? Just on mobile for the next 6hrs atm [00:36:02] [discord] The consumers are fine, just need to refresh secret? [00:37:09] [discord] yeah. [00:37:21] [discord] Yeah, basically just go to Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration/list, manage the application, check the box for "Reset the secret key to a new value", enter a reason, update, and copy down the new keys. [00:39:12] [discord] @Meta-Wiki Administrators thoughts on interwiki admin page on meta being moved to global interwiki admin [00:39:18] [discord] to fit the name and the rest of the pages [00:40:15] [discord] The page still has documentation pertaining to the local Interwiki administrator group so it wouldn't be appropriate to do so [00:40:22] [discord] Global sysop, global rollbacker, global flooder, etc. [00:40:28] [discord] I'll reshuffle the sections later but for now, the name is fine [00:40:30] [discord] and the group name was just changed [00:40:33] [discord] mkay [00:41:04] [discord] are you around for like 15 minutes right now or not a good time [00:41:18] [discord] maybe in 15 minutes [00:42:04] [discord] šŸ‘ DM me whenever [00:56:37] [discord] Wiki-Bot verification working again [01:04:24] [discord] Mine broke atm, beyond what I can fix with a phone, will look into it after euro [01:05:13] [discord] Is it possible to connect to my own domain and remove Fabicon completely free of charge? [01:22:22] [discord] If it's not, that's fine, I just wanna know [01:23:41] [discord] Just edit the image page and swap out the licenses [01:25:28] [discord] . [01:25:28] [discord] OHHH, my issue was that a file without a license showed a blank edit screen, so I assumed that didn't work. Thank you tho [01:25:53] [discord] Yes, that's what Miraheze is known for actually [01:25:59] [discord] For the custom domain, see [[Custom domains]] [01:25:59] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains [01:26:00] [discord] [01:26:23] [discord] Wow [01:26:25] [discord] Thank you [01:26:39] [discord] To change the favicon, upload a new favicon and then copy the image URL and add it to Special:ManageWiki/settings -> Styling -> Favicon [01:39:54] [discord] Thank you. Can I erase Fabicon altogether? [01:57:50] [discord] `polcompballanarchywiki` is something... [02:05:54] [discord] I dont think the default one is hosted on your wiki, so no. But no reason to delete it, it wont show up if you change the setting. [02:06:30] [discord] Oh do you mean not have any favicon? [02:06:37] [discord] Yes [02:06:39] [discord] šŸ˜¦ [02:07:15] [discord] Mm im not sure, but at the very least you could just have a transparent png [02:07:48] [discord] Ok [02:08:50] [discord] @NotAracham is there a reason the text and pie charts keep clumping together? [02:54:52] [discord] Stewards: i have a copyright violation report, i can send the relevant info to whomever is handling [02:55:35] [discord] @Reception123 have sent you a copyvio report, see DMs [04:55:49] [discord] @Site Reliability Engineers [04:55:50] [discord] ``` [04:55:51] [discord] Error 503 Backend fetch failed, forwarded for 156.146.51.132, 127.0.0.1 [04:55:53] [discord] (Varnish XID 802713148) via cp33 at Fri, 03 Mar 2023 04:54:23 GMT. [04:55:54] [discord] ``` [04:55:55] [discord] (it's a protonvpn IP, the thing i did was to remove `noinclude` from a template, it should not have triggered a backend fetch error) [05:00:53] [discord] using visual editor? [05:00:54] [discord] I suggest to make thread in forum support, stuff gets lost quickly here [05:09:57] [discord] miraheze moment [05:09:58] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1081081006997635072/image.png [05:20:14] [discord] Phabricator should be fixed now. [05:20:24] [discord] *Phabricator login should be fixed [05:26:16] [discord] kk [06:36:54] Hm. Any Meta wiki sysops there's a bit of a situation on RC :| [06:37:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [06:38:44] [discord] Yep, being worked, Raidarr and Reception123 are on it [06:42:26] [discord] reception's pretty much got it [06:43:55] Wasn't Reception123 saying something like vandalism is rare just a few days ago or something [06:44:20] rare doesn't mean never [06:44:40] usually there's not even vandalism/spam once a month, this is definitely a rare occasion and something I've never seen on Meta before [06:44:48] I just thought it was funny timing [06:44:58] fair enough :D [06:46:14] [discord] that was pretty funny [06:46:25] [discord] i was playing genshin impact (dehya's story quest) while it was happening [06:46:36] [discord] so i wasnt able to help with it lmao [06:46:41] [discord] *with reverting it [06:46:52] [discord] also [06:46:55] [discord] wtf [06:46:55] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1081105405758951495/image.png [06:48:46] [discord] ouch [07:04:09] [discord] @CVT [07:04:10] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1081109229424881705/image.png [07:04:11] [discord] https://nonbinary.wiki/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&translations=filter&hideWikibase=1&limit=50&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 [07:04:13] [discord] nonbinarywiki has the same issue [07:04:14] [discord] It hit about 8 wikis. [07:04:15] [discord] dear god [07:04:16] [discord] This was the most widespread vandalism/spam I have seen. [07:04:18] [discord] I left nonbinarywiki, because some of their admins were actively pursuing it already, so I left it for them, not requiring global CVT intervention there. [07:04:19] [discord] they arent aware of the nuke extension [07:04:22] [discord] apparently not the block feature either [07:04:32] [discord] because the IP is still going at it and they're very slowly deleting it [07:04:33] [discord] I saw them blocking some of them. [07:04:36] [discord] oh [07:04:37] [discord] i see [07:04:44] [discord] they also tried to protect Special:AllPages to prevent the vandalism [07:04:51] [discord] idk if that actually [07:04:52] [discord] has the desired effect [07:05:03] [discord] You can protect a special page?? [07:05:15] [discord] i guess? [07:05:25] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1081110061163745290/image.png [07:05:45] [discord] Maybe they used the ProtectSite extension? [07:05:49] [discord] probably [07:05:57] [discord] but the IP has still been editing since the protectio [07:06:03] [discord] or some IPs have [07:06:16] [discord] I thought we globally blocked the affected ranges, or I thought Reception123 did. [07:06:47] [discord] not enough of thejm [07:06:50] [discord] apparently [07:07:20] [discord] I'm not sure reception issued gblocks [07:07:33] [discord] But yeah, the convention is to leave to local admins if they are around, rather than CVT intervention, I'll try and globally block all those ranges in a minute if they aren't. [07:07:46] [discord] alright [07:07:54] [discord] @Reception123 ^ [07:08:05] [discord] on all I should say [07:08:14] [discord] well, new ips, back to work [07:08:17] [discord] the idiot is back https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Townler&action=history&curid=19446 [07:08:43] [discord] i have to sleep soon (its 11 pm here) so someone else will need to deal with it if they stay at meta wiki [07:09:04] [discord] Okay, I'm gonna go log back in and monitor things now (I got randomly logged out again) [07:09:08] [discord] This is a mess... [07:09:10] [discord] alright [07:09:27] [discord] about disabling anon editing, should I set confirmed or autoconfirmed users? [07:09:28] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1081111079893078047/image.png [07:09:47] [discord] autoconfirmed is the group added automatically to users [07:09:53] [discord] (everyone) is the group that any user has [07:09:57] [discord] whether logged out or logged in [07:09:57] [discord] no. [07:10:04] [discord] `Users` is the group that every logged in user has [07:10:16] [discord] disabling anon means putting the edit right in the users group only and not having it in * [07:10:23] [discord] or mandating email confirmation [07:10:25] [discord] autoconfirmed is only added after a certain number of edits, not automatically immediately. [07:10:29] [discord] `*` is `(everyone)` [07:10:31] [discord] yeah [07:10:34] [discord] thats what i meann [07:10:54] [discord] so I want mandating email confirmation [07:11:48] [discord] thats in [07:11:52] [discord] Special:ManageWiki/other [07:12:01] [discord] "manage this wiki's additional settings" or whatever [07:12:11] [discord] Special:ManageWiki/settings. [07:12:24] [discord] oops [07:12:25] [discord] yes [07:12:26] [discord] thats correct [07:12:49] [discord] oh hey you do know this [07:12:51] [discord] phew [07:13:03] [discord] hi i'm the nonbinarywiki admin [07:13:35] [discord] yes [07:13:38] [discord] yeah, removing edit from the * group and just having it in the Users group would probably be an easy stopgap right now [07:13:45] [discord] do you need help @amazingAkita [07:13:58] [discord] cvt power is unfortunately limited this time of day [07:14:00] [discord] if so enable the nuke extension it will allow mass-deleting pages from a specific IP [07:14:04] [discord] it looked like they could still make templates after using Protect Wiki, but idk whether that was just a time update [07:14:15] [discord] yeah so im not sure whats going on with protectwiki [07:14:23] [discord] but that is a bug [07:14:49] [discord] no I think it's good now, but I was coming to check whether you we're aware of it as it mentioned going after other miraheze wikis [07:15:01] [discord] yeah [07:15:24] [discord] does anyone know what the vandalism was supposed to render [07:15:33] [discord] makes no sense what they were trying to do [07:15:53] [discord] they literally made a bunch of templates and used html encoding so that they could spam a stupid message that the abusefilter wouldnt be able to catch or something i think [07:15:55] [discord] it looked like nested text I assume? but I didn't want to let it all render [07:16:17] [discord] probably a good thing but i never saw the vandalism being rendered because the templates got purged from metawiki [07:16:19] [discord] @amazingAkita you can also disable editing from all anonymous users if you're a bureaucrat on the wiki, by removing the edit right from (everyone) in Special:ManageWiki/permissions, and assign it to the user group. [07:16:32] [discord] ooh ty i'll do that [07:17:55] [discord] yeah, I'm not sure what wikis exactly got hit [07:18:02] [discord] a steward with cu may be able to assess global impact [07:18:18] [discord] check #ID:743072681057845378, #cvt-feed-experimental, #global-wiki-feed [07:18:34] [discord] metawiki, nonbinarywiki, and rswiki is what I remember off the top of my head, but there are more I remember seeing. [07:19:08] [discord] No problem. Hope it helps. [07:19:46] [discord] idiot returned to metawik [07:19:48] [discord] *metawiki [07:19:57] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:1855232468 [07:20:19] [discord] oh i see what its supposed to render now [07:20:27] [discord] [[w:WP:OPAQUE]]/libelous [07:20:27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:OPAQUE [07:20:28] [discord] [07:20:54] [discord] this is a nightmare on mobile... for some reason the delete button is missing, so I keep having to manually append `?action=delete`, or try mass deleting when necessary. [07:21:03] [discord] dear god [07:21:10] [discord] lots of ips I need to pull up [07:21:12] [discord] sort of doxing [07:21:49] [discord] welp [07:22:04] [discord] might be best to just have all affected wikis temporarily shut off ip edits [07:22:10] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1081114278716776458/image.png [07:22:14] [discord] cc @Reception123 to consider as something for meta for a little while [07:22:24] [discord] @raidarr including metawiki for now I think. [07:22:32] [discord] two great minds think alike [07:23:09] [discord] If you need CVTs help with any cleanup, I can help you in that capacity as well if you request it. [07:23:15] [discord] my problem is an incredibly slow connection [07:23:20] [discord] bad night for it :p [07:23:37] [discord] plus needing to sign off in a little bit [07:23:41] [discord] I *think* we're good? focus on elsewhere, but I won't say no to a second pair of eyes [07:24:30] [discord] Just ping me if you need it. I'll be off for the night in 30 minutes - an hour, but back tomorrow. [07:25:38] [discord] Where is that from? [07:25:43] [discord] the vandalism [07:25:46] [discord] i scrolled further down [07:25:58] [discord] meta, nonbinary wiki, a couple others I hear [07:25:58] [discord] near the middle-bottom they doxxed some of the "corrupt" wiki admins [07:26:09] [discord] *wikipedia admins [07:26:21] [discord] 8 wikis I counted earlier. [07:26:28] [discord] This is a mess. [07:26:30] [discord] @raidarr we need to flag that to T&S. [07:26:31] [discord] I'm vaguely sure I know what the vandal is doing and unfortunately it is pure whack a mole unless ip editing is just turned off for a while [07:26:48] [discord] I can probably verityā€™s TheresNoTimeā€™s info [07:26:49] [discord] yep [07:26:51] [discord] you can cc to owen/agent, I need to sign off shortly [07:26:58] [discord] @raidarr no, Wikimedia [07:27:02] [discord] oh [07:27:03] [discord] actually temporary global abuse filters could be considered [07:27:09] [discord] wikimedia trust & safety? [07:27:12] [discord] Iā€™ll start a process if someone can send me the non-redacted [07:27:14] [discord] a lot of the nonsense is consistent [07:27:18] [discord] only problem: i may or may not be banned from the wikipedia discord for trolling [07:27:21] [discord] i have it [07:27:27] [discord] saved on my local hard drive [07:27:28] [discord] @Colleiflower yes, users PII is being leaked [07:27:31] [discord] for evidence [07:27:31] [discord] I don't have the time or competence to rig it up on the spot, but something for current available cvt to consider [07:27:43] [discord] now I must sign off [07:27:48] [discord] as i am banned from the wikipedia discord for trolling they may not take me seriously [07:27:53] [discord] (i am NOT banned from wikipedia itself) [07:28:04] [discord] anyway yes i saved it [07:28:11] [discord] i thought it might be necessary [07:28:17] [discord] @Colleiflower Iā€™ll go way higher than discord. Iā€™m going to let the foundation know. [07:28:22] [discord] alright got ti [07:28:25] [discord] 8it [07:28:31] [discord] *it [07:28:32] [discord] ffs my typing [07:28:49] [discord] if you'd like i can DM you the screenshots i saved [07:28:59] [discord] (the unredacted ones) [07:29:03] [discord] Please [07:29:09] [discord] Actually, email [07:29:21] [discord] Discord doesnā€™t validate who can see photos [07:29:33] [discord] I would avoid sending them over Discord. [07:29:49] [discord] I don't know how trustworthy that would be for sensitive PII like this. [07:30:28] [discord] oops [07:30:28] [discord] okay [07:30:36] [discord] sorry i had already DM'd but what's your email? [07:30:49] [discord] i deleted from dms [07:30:57] [discord] i have protonmail so if you also have protonmail i can send it e2ee [07:31:04] [discord] I save it quickly so itā€™s good [07:31:12] [discord] alright got it [07:31:37] [discord] Thatā€™s better than I feared. It seems theyā€™re collecting public info. [07:31:43] [discord] Itā€™s horrible [07:32:03] [discord] yeah [07:32:03] [discord] But itā€™s not hard to find [07:32:54] [discord] in the plain wikitext they created several templates that display the parameters in weird orders then used html entities for the parameter content which would obfuscate it from an abuse filter or anyone looking at the diffs [07:32:57] [discord] that seems deliberate [07:33:11] [discord] i wonder if the same thing has happened on wikipedia given the general pattern of content [07:33:32] [discord] It has. And Fandom also. [07:33:37] [discord] makes sense [07:34:14] [discord] im out of the loop on cwa, the only one i know of is that guy who vandalizes genshin impact pages to say that the owners of msnbc need to be put to death for insider trading and wechat hacking or something [07:34:28] [discord] oh and that zhongli is an attempt to incite color revolution in china [07:34:30] [discord] I talked with someone from Fandom who has been having the issue for a month already with more than 300 separate IP ranges. I hope they don't hit us this hard... [07:34:36] [discord] goddamnit [07:34:36] [discord] i see [07:34:48] [discord] oh jeez [07:34:57] [discord] anyway im probably going to sleep soon but the idiot is active on metawiki still [07:35:16] [discord] just reverted one thing [07:35:23] [discord] but they are absolutely still at it [07:35:37] [discord] We appreciate all the help we have gotten on Meta with this. [07:35:43] [discord] alright got it [07:35:45] [discord] cya all later [07:35:51] [discord] Bye. [07:44:13] [discord] maybe temporarily disable anon edits at least on meta? [07:44:42] [discord] anon edits shouldn't exist on meta in the first place [07:44:43] [discord] lol, this is thr 5th time it has been suggested. [07:44:55] [discord] wellp [07:45:01] [discord] the convo is too swift [07:45:03] [discord] We should, yes. [07:45:21] [discord] But then they might just move to spam account creations... [07:46:13] [discord] well, at least captcha can hold them for a while [07:48:01] [discord] this can't be a fast process, right? [07:49:03] [discord] account creation I mean [07:49:35] [discord] image recognition captcha is much harder and therefore hold them much longer [07:50:25] [discord] sometimes I look at vandals and think why these people spend their free time in such pity way, I wish I had more free time for my wikis and drawing/crafting [09:42:38] [discord] www [09:42:46] [discord] www.s.c [13:48:26] [discord] Hello [13:49:39] [discord] I went to use the page to edit several pages at the same time and I got this error [13:49:49] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1081211832519381012/Screenshot_20230303-104644_Chrome.jpg [13:50:42] [discord] 2591bcd888750b18da5ce677] 2023-03-03 13:46:31: Fatal exception of type ā€œInvalidArgumentExceptionā€ [13:51:33] [discord] @Site Reliability Engineers [14:07:05] [discord] image recognition is easy for me :p [14:07:19] [discord] sometimes I like doing capthas for fun [14:12:13] [discord] Goodnight! [14:48:26] [discord] Omfg [14:48:39] [discord] @Reception123 look at the last diff on [[User:NDKilla]] [14:48:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NDKilla [14:48:39] [discord] [14:49:22] [discord] (Also apparently still having issues with verification bot, lol) [14:49:50] [discord] what about that? [14:50:00] [discord] oh [14:50:01] [discord] hi [14:50:02] [discord] Iā€™m NDKilla šŸ„² [14:50:07] [discord] what happened lol [14:50:11] [discord] Idk yet [14:50:12] [discord] @Minx lol what? [14:50:18] [discord] But canā€™t get on my other acc [14:50:31] [discord] rip [14:50:36] [discord] Was banned sometime in the 4 hour window I was asleep šŸ„²šŸ„²šŸ„² [14:50:38] [discord] is that account still owner? I forget [14:50:43] [discord] Void is owner [14:50:51] [discord] Best I can do to promote is to mod \:P [14:50:53] [discord] No void is [14:50:58] [discord] ah, at least that's safe then [14:51:14] [discord] @Nibbly imposter alert [14:51:21] [discord] :BanHammerMH: [14:51:41] [discord] :ThinkingHardMH: [14:51:44] [discord] @Orduin when youā€™re busy you probably want to give me perms and get rid of @Nibbly , although Iā€™ll let you know if I get the acc back [14:52:01] [discord] Rip being in this server since 2018 lol [14:52:07] [discord] did you confirm on meta [14:52:12] [discord] Yes [14:52:20] [discord] well, sucks to get hit [14:52:21] [discord] please /auth to post links new user [14:52:27] [discord] stranger danger [14:52:29] [discord] pls auth [14:52:31] [discord] The last diff on meta has my user id [14:52:33] [discord] scary stranger [14:52:35] [discord] Auth bot wonā€™t dm me [14:52:38] [discord] šŸ„² [14:52:41] [discord] yeah it's borked [14:52:43] [discord] yea, bot is a bit wonk [14:52:58] [discord] the bot operator has to regenerate the OAuth secret so it doesn't work [14:53:03] [discord] well, I tend to be slightly paranoid on discord for good reason it seems [14:53:11] [discord] no spicy for this account [15:11:41] [discord] šŸŒ¶ļø [15:16:46] [discord] Auth bot pls [15:37:17] [discord] /auth [16:17:20] [discord] > sometimes I look at vandals and think why these people spend their free time in such pity way, I wish I had more free time for my wikis and drawing/crafting [16:17:20] [discord] @Legroom agree [16:18:39] [discord] > Was banned sometime in the 4 hour window I was asleep šŸ„²šŸ„²šŸ„² [16:18:40] [discord] @Minx from discord? [16:18:52] [discord] if so contact discord support immediately and transfer the ownership to someone else [16:19:27] [discord] because if you're the server owner (that's what seems to have been implied above) and a banned discord account is auto-deleted then the server gets deleted too [16:20:48] [discord] nah [16:21:05] [discord] this happened w/ mine server in 2018, we are still there lol [16:21:14] [discord] oh [16:21:15] [discord] my bad [16:21:37] [discord] me and another guy are admins but not w/ full rights and basically w/o founder [16:22:10] [discord] he made new account but can't promote him to admin and we are afraid to contact support [16:23:38] [discord] F i see [16:23:47] [discord] maybe just make a new server [16:24:20] [discord] and direct people from the old one into the new one [16:24:33] [discord] you'd lose chat history though [16:24:36] [discord] oh i see [16:24:41] [discord] thats true [16:24:45] [discord] if you have / had important stuff in chat history that is [16:24:56] [discord] yeah [16:25:01] [discord] The final days of Miraheze server? [16:26:26] [discord] Iā€™m not the server owner [16:26:31] [discord] void is owner, non-issue [16:26:51] [discord] oh [16:26:57] [discord] im stupid [16:27:02] [discord] Nah itā€™s fair lol [16:27:07] [discord] lmao [16:27:18] [discord] I used to be owner but not anymore. I still have perms tho and they should prolly remove perms from an acc I canā€™t access [16:27:22] [discord] But besides that no problem I think [16:27:28] [discord] ye [16:27:31] [discord] makes sense [16:27:36] [discord] best practice is just stripping perms off the old one [16:27:45] [discord] @Reception123 see DMs for a (slightly) urgent request regarding oversight needs [16:27:52] [discord] cc @Orduin as probably the only one who could do that [16:28:04] [discord] why'd you lose access to the acc btw [16:28:08] [discord] banned [16:28:10] [discord] rip [16:28:17] [discord] :BanHammerMH: [16:28:28] [discord] discord likes to wave it from time to time [16:28:48] [discord] f i see [16:28:52] [discord] what was the ban for it [16:28:53] [discord] @Agent you able to do quick oversight? [16:29:31] [discord] i'll send it to you via DM in case you can [16:30:14] [discord] if people start asking why they're randomly getting logged out maybe we should just say it's a security *feature* and not admit it's a bug [16:30:33] [discord] and i'm stuck who knows [16:30:36] [discord] @Minx @Zppix has friends in T&S [16:30:57] [discord] Iā€™ll email when Iā€™m not at work Iā€™m not stressing [16:31:13] [discord] kk [16:31:20] [discord] Tbh this is the server I was most active in so I mean even if I donā€™t get it back I donā€™t really care XD only thing lost is dm history šŸ¤” [16:31:33] [discord] stay safe [16:31:38] [discord] @Minx what they ban you for? [16:56:29] [discord] I am a moderator in a Discord server where the owner's account has been deleted. When the owner's account is deleted, any servers that they owned continue business as usual, only that they no longer have an active owner. It's kinda like if the owner of a business died and all the employees just continued as if nothing had happened. [16:56:29] [discord] Discord Staff can transfer ownership to someone else upon request if this happens, but from what I've read on Reddit, they'll only do this if the server has more than 100 members. [16:57:12] [discord] that makes sense [16:58:18] [discord] as someone who often has many alt accounts (currently if you consider this account my main account then i only have 1 alt, i deleted or got locked out of the others which is unusual for me) i once accidentally transferred ownership of a server to an account that i couldnt get 2fa to work on [16:58:30] [discord] and discord support told me the same thing when i asked if there was any way to reverse the transfer without 2fa [17:00:18] [discord] anyway: the global sysop and global rollbackers eligibility criteria say that you must've been on miraheze for at least 2 months. is this fiscal or calendar months? [17:00:33] [discord] calendar [17:00:41] What's the difference? [17:01:08] [discord] easiest to explain with examples, so: [17:01:41] [discord] dec 31 of 2022 and jan 1 of 2023 are a year apart in calendar years [17:01:53] [discord] but are a day apart in fiscal years [17:01:55] [discord] or maybe i got it backwards [17:02:33] Regardless, if you end up having to choose a particular counting system to count out two months maybe people are going around the purpose of the limit [17:02:55] [discord] i was mostly asking out of curiosity [17:06:44] Calendar month [17:06:52] But itā€™s talking about length [17:07:02] So it doesnā€™t matter [17:07:05] [discord] calendar is intended but realistically looking at those numbers one should aim to exceed and not meet [17:07:16] The only difference is the start of the year [17:07:28] Fiscal year normally starts in April [17:08:46] [discord] there we go I suppose, very semantic [17:15:56] Autopatrolled protection exists? [17:16:05] Also doesn't seem to work because it's broken on the page history and I can't edit ti either [17:17:08] [discord] new addition I think [17:18:09] Was it discussed anywhere or just decreed? [17:21:34] [discord] why have democracy when you can decree things [17:22:18] [discord] also, it seems the autopatrolled right wasn't given to patrollers ironically so they can't edit those pages [17:22:32] [discord] *Something Something Worst form of government except for all the others* [17:22:54] [discord] (jokes) [17:28:24] [discord] fairly sure there was something on one of the noticeboards, but it was fairly under the radar [17:29:17] [discord] yeah, on the community portal [17:36:39] @Agent pls fix autopatrolled protection [17:37:06] or whoever has bureaucrat in Meta [17:37:31] [discord] It's due to the way it was implemented [17:37:41] [discord] I'm going to do a PR to correct it [17:37:46] :) [19:17:39] [discord] i see... I'm new to everything here but thank you! [19:21:05] [discord] General guidance is quick questions are fine for general, if it's something you know will need a lot of back-and-forth messaging to solve, that's better to go in a Support thread. [19:57:34] [discord] Or if it's a simple question that is getting swept away by a conversation, a support post will help track it [21:51:32] [discord] why have democracy when you can decree things [21:51:37] @Agent I hope this is a joke right? [21:58:35] [discord] pretty obvious that itā€™s a jokeā€¦. [21:59:23] [discord] Obviously yes... I don't think Agent is secretly a dictator šŸ˜› [22:00:20] [discord] Oe maybe he is just that good at secretly being a dictator, noone would even think it was a possibility šŸ˜› [22:07:59] [discord] personally I'm modeling after putin's codebook and installing agent as a deputy while I prepare to buy out and monetize miraheze [22:09:32] [discord] @raidarr I hope this is a joke too right? /s [22:09:53] [discord] sorry lmao the sarcastic reply will probably offend nale [22:09:58] [discord] wont say that again (real) [22:13:25] [discord] if he can't get it, well, oh well [22:13:32] [discord] I cannot and will not please everyone [22:50:52] [discord] This isnā€™t right. A fiscal month and a calendar month are both the same length. [22:50:52] [discord] A fiscal month simply refers to which fiscal quarter your in, so it doesnā€™t matter. 2 fiscal months and 2 calendar months are the same length. [22:51:36] [discord] i see [22:51:39] [discord] apologies [22:51:44] [discord] not sure where i heard the definition from [22:52:56] [discord] We are just about to hit the end of the fiscal year though so no doubt MH has extra workload with that. [22:57:31] [discord] not really [22:57:43] [discord] at least that's my impression from owen [23:04:32] [discord] Fiscal Year can kinda be whatever you want it to be as a company in the US, lots of folks set it to April for alignment w tax season + start of a regular calendar quarter, some set it to Feb to offset from end-of-year holidays.