[00:01:08] [discord] It's becoming a bit of an issue since most of the image files that get uploaded are not renamed and most of them have numbers, search doesnt like numbers at all [00:01:23] [discord] oh thats going to be a problem [00:01:27] [discord] can you link me to your wiki [00:01:28] [discord] and or special characters like - [00:01:31] [discord] i can try to help with it [00:01:34] [discord] omg i just got logged out again [00:01:55] [discord] Sure [00:01:56] [discord] https://stardustlabs.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_page [00:01:57] [url] Stardust Labs Wiki | stardustlabs.miraheze.org [00:02:18] [discord] this keeps happening [00:02:25] [discord] its being looked into [00:02:30] [discord] nobody knows whats causing it [00:02:57] [discord] its consistently happening whenever i go onto `memeswiki` [00:03:10] [discord] There's some working theories on this, there's some reshuffling behind the scenes to fix cache bloat and a few other things. [00:03:29] [discord] if i just login it usually keeps me logged in but after a little bit if i visit it again i just get signed out [00:04:28] [discord] ignore this link i just need to track it for later [00:04:29] [url] Lavender forest - Stardust Labs Wiki | stardustlabs.miraheze.org [00:04:47] [discord] theres only 269 pages on your wiki so i'll take some time to go through it and give files better names [00:05:05] [discord] Oh, do please get consent from them before doing something like that... [00:05:25] [discord] i know [00:05:36] [discord] @Tera can i do that [00:17:28] [discord] Can you elaborate on the better names part [00:17:42] [discord] Im not sure I understand what youll do and how youll do it [00:19:23] [discord] rename files to something descriptive other than numbers [00:19:50] [discord] there appears to be 1.7k files but that shouldnt take *too* long [00:21:07] [discord] That's longer than you'd think. That's realistically weeks of work. [00:22:32] [discord] Yeah no dont put yourself through that [00:25:33] [discord] My issue is not that the files are badly names, its that I cant find them when I use the search tool [00:25:40] [discord] Like [00:26:16] [discord] If a users comes in they can [00:26:16] [discord] Rename their files > Upload them > Add them to a gallery [00:26:45] [discord] If they skip renaming its fine since they are adding them to the corresponding gallery [00:27:20] [discord] If they skip adding them to a corresponding gallery its fine since they renamed them so another user can prolly find them [00:27:55] [discord] oh i see [00:28:05] [discord] If they skip step one and three, unless you like at the file list page, youll never know images could have been added to the corresponding gallery [00:28:33] [discord] Thats why I need a way to show all files instead of the user's uploaded files when adding an image to a gallery [00:29:23] [discord] I've had a little better luck w/ search when prefixing with File: but commiserate on the not-so-great search functionality [00:30:14] [discord] They did make template search slightly better so I was hoping galleries got the same threaten but eh [00:30:46] [discord] Epic "Was it capitalized or not?" Moment [00:39:31] Hello AntiCompositeNum! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [03:35:41] [discord] Hello, I have 3 specific questions: [03:35:42] [discord] 1-How can I make the columns work on the main page? [03:35:43] [discord] 2-How do I place the .ico for the page? [03:35:44] [discord] 3-How do I place the site-logo of the page? [03:39:53] [discord] 1. if by columns you mean tags from FANDOM, there's "fandoom tag" extension to make them work, see extensions admin menu, parser hooks tab [03:39:54] [discord] 2. upload the file firts, then head to additional settings admin menu, styling tab, find field which require static file link of your .ico [03:39:55] [discord] 3. same as w/ .ico, but your logo file, it should be .png or .svg, 135x135 px [03:40:45] [discord] I mean these columns, are these? [03:40:45] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1082145719844081714/Captura.PNG [03:41:13] [discord] to get static link you should open image of upload file w/ right click memu, like you want to save them, and copy resulted URL [03:41:19] [discord] yes it's them [03:41:53] [discord] it's purely FANDOM feature, but extension makes them work on Miraheze [03:41:59] [discord] Can you give me the links of those last two? [03:42:07] [discord] It's in ManageWiki [03:42:16] [discord] In the extensions section under the parser hooks tab [03:42:28] [discord] admin menu is last part of sidebar [03:42:32] [discord] Just look for "FandoomDummyMainPageTags" or something like that [03:43:19] [discord] or if you use Cosmos skin - last right dropdown of horizontal menu bar [03:43:31] [discord] I use the cosmos skin, yes [03:43:58] [discord] it goes like Manage this wiki's extensions and Manage this wiki's additional settings [03:44:39] [discord] URLs would be [03:44:40] [discord] Special:ManageWik/extensions [03:44:41] [discord] Special:ManageWiki/settings [03:47:03] [discord] It worked. Now the columns are missing [03:50:42] [discord] I can not find it [03:51:15] [discord] Wait [03:56:18] [discord] It's already activated. Should I do something else? [03:56:53] [discord] No [03:57:06] [discord] It'll take a while to fix itself but the page will eventually look normal [03:57:24] [discord] If the page hasn't updated, you can always use the purge action (hidden under the 'more' dropdown on most pages) to force the server to re-render the page [03:59:07] [discord] I already did, and nothing happened [04:02:39] [discord] Nothing yet [04:17:25] [discord] try to edit and save page w/o changes [04:17:40] [discord] Nothing [04:38:18] [discord] you sure the tags are applied correctly? [05:03:56] mhbridgebot> [discord] I put the relay on timeout since no IRC ops are available to assist [05:03:58] Really? [05:04:08] Well I guess we can see what you think of IRC [05:04:21] [discord] the IRC is no longer on timeout [05:04:37] [discord] those replies went through just fine [05:04:38] Seriously though, please don't treat IRC like some backburner or Discord being the "main" part, especially when IRC has been around for longer [05:04:59] [discord] aracham does not have the ability to delete by keyword or ban/mute IRC users [05:05:05] [discord] it was flooding #ID:407537962553966603 over here [05:05:13] [discord] @Naleksuh, it was specifically timed out because no IRC member with sufficient power was present to assist. [05:05:26] [discord] For upwards of 15 minutes, and generated 1000s of messages [05:05:40] @NotAracham I understand that. It doesn't change the implied importance of IRC [05:05:54] If someone was spamming on Discord and no-one stopped them, would you be OK with the relay being shut off? [05:06:24] [discord] I didn't take it lightly and did try to raise folks before taking that action. [05:06:34] Also why did you try to op? [05:06:47] [discord] On the off-chance someone had granted me rights. [05:06:58] [discord] So I could resolve the turbo-trolling situation. [05:07:05] "off-chance"? [05:07:27] [discord] Hey, you're not being productive right now and I don't have the bandwidth to deal with this. [05:07:30] [discord] Going to call it a night. [05:07:48] [discord] @Naleksuh: is there something wrong with it...? [05:07:54] Wrong with what? [05:08:09] [discord] i don't get what inquiry is with the keyword "off-chance" [05:08:20] [discord] *word [05:08:21] [discord] not keyword [05:08:52] [discord] So I could resolve the turbo-trolling situation. [05:08:57] Oops wrong paste [05:09:01] [discord] On the off-chance someone had granted me rights. [05:09:03] ^ this one [05:09:05] [discord] yes [05:09:08] [discord] but what is the question [05:09:20] I was asking about the "off-chance" [05:09:23] [discord] someone was spamming thousands of messages so it was the only thing worth trying [05:09:28] [discord] yes i know [05:09:31] [discord] but what is your question about it [05:10:32] I would like to know what NotAracham means by that [05:10:41] And you're not them, so, this can go nowhere [05:10:41] [discord] oh [05:11:09] [discord] I don't think it's too hard to decipher what he said [05:11:30] [discord] he thought perhaps he had op perms in the IRC channel that he didn't know about [05:11:56] [discord] thats also what i though [05:11:59] [discord] *thought [05:12:21] [discord] This is a correct read [05:12:39] In that case, why don't I do it then? [05:12:40] !op [05:12:42] Hm. [05:14:17] [discord] well he's a GS and Discord moderator so maybe he wanted to check if he had been granted perms on #miraheze due to the fact he's GS [05:15:27] [discord] yes [05:16:21] [discord] I'd also point out - this was in immediate response to a problem user that was flooding multiple channels and was a likely culprit for multi-wiki vandalism [05:16:46] [discord] Without backup, spaghetti >> wall within reason [05:19:15] Mainly the issue I am worried about is mainly the user rights thing again. I thought we had gotten over that but when I saw this I kind of read it as "yeah, this seems like a thing I can probably do" even though op permissions are exclusively reserved for Stewards and SRE. You later went on to clarify it was "just to try" which kind of seems like just a softer version, but in theory not really a problem as long as you are just 'checking'. So I [05:19:15] did it even though I know I don't [05:20:15] [discord] i am not sure if they know that op permissions are given to stewards and SRE [05:20:17] So... please be cool everyone. I've been assured there will be no repeat of "power-users" problem, but stuff like this is a bit questioanble [05:20:22] [discord] they are not a very active IRC user [05:20:56] [discord] I'll admit I honestly don't even know who has op perms on #miraheze [05:21:07] [discord] I know Stewards and SRE do but apart from that, I'm not sure [05:21:12] [discord] Not all ops are SREs/Stewards at present [05:21:23] [discord] I know GS do have perms on other channels like the feeds [05:21:25] [discord] Though most did previously hold those roles [05:21:45] Who on this list isn't Steward or SRE? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PvXmUGFG/image.png [05:22:10] litharge is a bot, and all other users on that list are current SRE members (some are also Stewards) [05:22:51] [discord] not sure [05:22:57] [discord] maybe they were looking at a different channel [05:27:46] [discord] Frankly, this conversation isn't very conducive to anything productive and is definitely blow way out of proportion so it's better if we drop it [05:28:47] It already was dropped but you undropped it [05:29:01] Actualyl I don't think undropped is a word [05:29:21] [discord] dropping is the new 2023 hotness [05:33:49] [discord] I suggest to drop bass [05:33:56] [discord] wub wub wub [06:00:20] @Agent still there? [06:04:16] [discord] What's up? [06:58:48] Hello MirahezeRelay! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [08:13:18] [discord] The infobox css still hasn't worked [09:20:22] [discord] 600 pages 🥂 :Partyheze: [09:46:48] [discord] are your infoboxes imported from Wikipedia or made w/ PortableInfobox, you still haven't specified [09:46:48] [discord] I suggest to make thread in #support to not go back and forth in general [09:47:33] [discord] also at least tell URL of your wiki, we can't fix things w/ guesses [12:15:14] [discord] @Reception123 is there a reason the text is clumping w the pie charts on my page? [13:42:43] [discord] Goodnight! [13:55:59] [discord] url? [14:16:10] [discord] "op permissions are exclusively reserved for Stewards and SRE" -> broken, time to change this practice [14:16:16] [discord] if even true [14:48:59] " "op permissions are exclusively reserved for Stewards and SRE" -> broken, time to change this practice" [14:49:04] Naleksuh for op? [15:24:06] [discord] delete irc at that point tbh [15:27:05] Well, there aren't that many users to choose from if you want more ops at IRC [15:27:23] We could also try giving op to whoever has mod permissions on Discord [15:30:21] Actually, there seems to be a process to apoint ops on Miraheze channels: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/IRC/Global_ChanOps [15:30:23] [url] IRC/Global ChanOps - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [15:31:12] All SRE members and Stewards automatically have op, but they can also be appointed by the FOSSBots admins (RhinosF1, Sario, and Voidwalker) [15:31:37] we do not appoint [15:31:52] it is up to chanops to decide [15:32:02] we just control the list being deployed [15:32:06] then someone needs to update that page [15:32:14] [discord] the main gap at this time is NotAracham, who is very prolific on discord but does not have much of an IRC presence/does not have rights on irc; others at this time are less able to cover the gaps that have come up recently [15:32:41] [discord] irc may be older and better established but in terms of actually reaching our intended community it has indeed become a second class resource [15:34:31] [discord] gamingnews.miraheze.org [15:34:36] It's SRE, Stewards + Fossbots admins [15:34:52] we would only widen it with agreement of the current team [15:35:09] the standard for consensus is low [15:35:20] but it would need a few irc chanops to agree [15:35:35] [discord] it's a bit of a mess how the two are split and need to interplay [15:35:56] [discord] especially with what is essentially a third party entity right in the middle of the process irc side [15:36:29] it's weird [15:36:43] because fossbots has no formal afflilation with miraheze [15:36:49] and a lessening informal one [15:37:31] [discord] what's come up recently is unacceptable: a moderator is unable to properly moderate the discord channel because it is dependent on a third party managed extra channel that has semantic reasons to not include said discord moderator and on its own was not able to compensate for the gap when the issue came up (recent spam) [15:38:10] [discord] and if as you say the formal relationship does not exist and the informal relationship has cracks, it is a broken setup that needs to be altered [15:38:25] which moderator [15:38:29] [discord] NA [15:38:53] [discord] it's a particular issue because he tends to be active in more windows than other moderators/ops, and the issue came up in his windows specifically [15:38:55] if NA needs adding, we can do that for what we control to any list [15:39:20] [discord] a bandaid would be to give him necessary powers irc side to moderate channels which interplay with discord [15:39:33] NA = NotAracham? [15:39:42] [discord] a solution, for as much time as that'll take, would be fixing the relationship and/or putting irc side fully under miraheze actual control [15:39:48] [discord] Orange_Star: yes [15:39:57] i can add him if moderators are happy [15:40:07] when not in a uni session [15:40:35] I'm available to make any requested updates [15:41:48] we only control the MirahezeBot helpers and global tool [15:41:55] not the chanserv ACL though [15:42:03] we aren't the only way to grant rights [15:42:32] i see no reason why operators of here couldn't decide to include GS [15:42:47] ask Agent callumjb MacFan4000 paladox Reception123 to +1 [15:42:58] [discord] it's not really a gs issue and more a discord mod issue; they are almost 1 and 1, but yet they are not the same [15:42:58] CosmicAlpha: * not callumjb [15:43:17] again, policy is still up to them users [15:43:19] not us [15:43:30] [discord] in other words the exact function is chat moderation, which at this point is an increasingly unified feature and yet it is fundamentally divided in organization [15:43:37] if discord mods = irc mods is what irc mods want [15:43:44] we can do that in 5 minutes [15:43:50] [discord] the two I believe should be one and the same [15:44:16] [discord] no division means it can be operated as a unified platform at least on the moderation level [15:44:33] have Agent CosmicAlpha MacFan4000 paladox Reception123 [15:44:35] agree [15:44:43] or at least 3 of them [15:44:58] [discord] it can still be okay for said unified mods to be exclusive to one or the other in account [15:45:21] [discord] the main problem with fully unifying is that it may have to be a voted issue since discord mods are 100% community elected - at least, through the discord community [15:45:23] 50% of ops in #miraheze would need to be happy or the group contacts [15:45:25] so john [15:46:05] [discord] to unify might mean irc mods with no formal election, or discord election without irc say, both of which aren't necessarily fair [15:46:07] [discord] As Doug would say, "I don't think they'll mind" [15:46:24] I agree with raidarr, the two platforms should share the same moderators and rules appointing moderators [15:46:26] [discord] well, that's one way that's been popular in our history, but the issue catches up eventually [15:46:28] irc mods have no formal election [15:46:30] discord does [15:46:35] issue for Agent though [15:47:00] [discord] mandating an election for IRC would be a little strange [15:47:20] [discord] if the channel moderation is unified, it would be only fair; it was less of an issue when the channels were fundamentally split [15:47:41] [discord] I guess we could make a page like [[Requests for rights on other platforms]] and put Discord mod/IRC chanop requests there lol [15:47:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_rights_on_other_platforms [15:47:42] [discord] [15:47:43] [url] Creating Requests for rights on other platforms - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [15:47:52] [discord] it does raise the issue of irc being more secondary in the first place: if we just 'gloss over' irc that means officially making irc a second class platform [15:48:08] The ACL on IRC has always been controlled by anybody in the “ops” shell group [15:48:19] [discord] I'm not necessarily against that but there's enough of an irc presence I don't want to mandate it for them [15:49:19] [discord] and then you have 'local' channels where of course the sre channel should have sre moderation, and I'd be fine with that being so sre discord can moderate their own discord channel locally too [15:51:35] [discord] I'm not sure segmentation *necessarily* works there, as the user in question yesterday was spamming across multiple IRC channels. [15:52:22] [discord] I do think 'global' chat mods should apply to every channel that is public facing with open chat [15:52:48] [discord] but yes, I also mean that for localized channels the local mods should take priority (cvt in cvt, sre in sre etc) and global mods only step in to take care of more global spam [15:52:48] I think if we want to have a moderator election system on IRC then an RFC should first be opened on Meta similar to what was done for discord [15:53:09]