[00:26:02] [discord] Hoo boy cargo [00:27:01] [discord] Well that special page works now [00:31:43] [discord] yea it fixed itself [00:32:19] [discord] The simplest problem to solve: the one that fixes itself. 🙂 [00:34:52] [discord] so does anyone know why https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org/wiki/Oceanborne isnt properly being added to the `talent_table` table [00:34:53] [url] Oceanborne - Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org [00:35:05] [discord] the https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Talent_Infobox template is what is supposed to add it [00:35:06] [url] Template:Talent Infobox - Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org [00:40:41] [discord] Check the page values page for that page [00:42:44] [discord] sorry but idk what that means im not too smart [00:43:55] [discord] ?action=pagevalues at the end [00:46:20] [discord] Hmm there’s nothing for the table but something there for _pageData [00:46:26] [discord] What if you recreate the table? [00:48:15] [discord] If that doesn’t work try empty edit [00:49:13] [discord] If neither work then pray that it appears magically in the next hour or so lol [00:57:58] [discord] filed a request for GIWA [00:58:14] [discord] here’s hoping [01:00:07] [discord] Not necessarily opposed to it, but I have a concern related to it that I'll post via comment form [01:03:39] [discord] https://chesapeakerp.miraheze.org/wiki/Dixie [01:03:39] [url] Dixie - Adalida Wiki | chesapeakerp.miraheze.org [01:03:59] [discord] or @NotAracham [01:04:40] [discord] Won't have bandwidth to help, but the answer will be some form of CSS [01:09:15] [discord] yeah no worries, always happy to answer questions [01:10:09] [discord] really the only problem is how limited the role is in function and in traffic [01:10:24] [discord] It's not a question, just something I'd thought I bring up related to something I found via talk page archives [01:10:28] [discord] I'm not opposed but I think I've made my position on such roles clear in the past [01:17:41] [discord] what do you mean? [01:18:05] [discord] @ChaoticShadow i've done all of those [01:18:58] [discord] oh no haha my talk page archives are an absolute mess [01:19:17] [discord] No, it's more like old revisions of your talk page [01:19:23] [discord] I already posted the comment [01:20:18] [discord] We'll need probably a steward to weigh in on that, there's been a few overlapping conditions over the years (that haven't been tracked well) and some of them are no longer in effect. [01:20:27] [discord] I'd thought all limitations aside from t&s had expired [01:20:40] [discord] and from t&s I only remember one condition [01:20:57] [discord] That's my recall as well, there's also other stuff w/ PTW but we don't need to rehash that right now. [01:21:47] [discord] indeed, only speaking in meta terms [01:22:07] [discord] it might have been helpful to incude the exact diff for review that is being brought up [01:23:39] [discord] Here: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrandonWM&type=revision&diff=255200&oldid=255145&diffmode=source [01:23:40] [url] User talk:BrandonWM: Difference between revisions - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [01:23:42] [discord] I vaguely remember that [01:23:46] [discord] and I tried to dig it up [01:23:49] [discord] but I couldn't [01:24:22] [discord] Yeah I didn’t even remember that [01:24:24] [discord] Interesting [01:24:27] [discord] it was some obscure condition [01:24:40] [discord] @Agent if you would like me to rescind i can [01:24:52] [discord] Another reason why talk pages should be archived and not just "archived in the history" [01:25:40] [discord] yeah i’ve begun that practice and will be continuing it [01:25:41] [discord] Technically recent RfCs created by BWM would also have been invalid based on those conditions, however that wasn't raised at thos etimes. [01:25:50] [discord] Interesting [01:25:52] [discord] That is true [01:26:03] [discord] An argument perhaps that those conditions could be considered invalid. [01:26:15] [discord] i vaguely recall that there was an exception that it could be done if i had consulted with an experienced user beforehand and they approved? [01:26:39] [discord] but i don’t even know [01:27:21] [discord] The restriction on you requesting any permissions requiring community vote applied to you self-nominating yourself; another user had to nominate you [01:27:49] [discord] yeah so it’s up to @Agent i guess [01:27:55] [discord] I don't count as a consult, btw, though I guess I now would. 🙂 [01:28:18] [discord] On account of this technicality, I'm willing to waive that restriction for this RfGR as basically everyone forgot about that and it's unfair to subject you to something you were unaware of [01:28:42] [discord] will there need to be a formal appeal going forward for the restrictions applied [01:29:16] [discord] i can’t even remember what restrictions are in effect and which aren’t anymore, I believe @raidarr did away with most of the Steward ones back in the day [01:29:18] [discord] If you want but any decision is up to a reviewing administrator [01:29:44] [discord] i’ll put something on AN in a bit [01:29:49] [discord] true haha [01:30:09] [discord] i’ll be back in an hour [01:34:38] [discord] On account of this technicality, I'm willing to waive that restriction for this RfGR as basically everyone forgot about that and it's unfair to subject you to something you were unaware of [01:35:05] This makes sense for not blocking but why does that mean the restriction is waived entirely? [01:43:54] [discord] The waiver is specifically for this request instance, the larger set of rules will be reviewed later. [01:44:12] I don't really think that's how restrictions work [01:45:03] [discord] How to import pages? [01:45:24] [discord] I have the wiki file, I go to where it says to import, but it stays working and I get an error [01:45:49] [discord] How large is the file you're trying to import, and does it end with .xml? [01:46:38] [discord] 948kb and is .xml [01:47:05] [discord] Hmmm, that should be small enough for self-import. What's the error message you're getting? [01:47:32] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1082479618872852521/image.png [01:47:37] [discord] naleksuh: it’s at sysop discretion [01:47:38] [discord] Just refresh [01:47:42] [discord] @BWM i wasn't around when you were blocked or anything like that but whatever happened then, you seem to have improved [01:47:51] [discord] Sure? [01:47:53] [discord] Whenever you get a 5XX error, just refresh and it'll work fine [01:47:58] [discord] @Chelepicante if you cant import something, refresh multiple times and wait [01:47:59] [discord] could you post a message on my RfGR confirming the waiver? [01:48:01] [discord] It's normally just a one time thing [01:48:08] [discord] just so it’s from an official source [01:48:09] [discord] or only refresh once [01:48:15] [discord] if it is fixed the second time [01:48:21] [discord] *fixed upon the first refresh [01:48:28] [discord] if it doesnt work still then come back here [01:48:28] @BrandonWM Not really, though [01:48:44] Yes, but the point is that sysops do not have the authority to unilaterally "waive" them, so a post onwiki would not help [01:48:59] Agent could however, nominate BrandonWM, since the restriction is only for self-noms [01:49:09] [discord] I receive the: [01:49:10] [discord] The page you are looking for used the information you specified. Going back to the page could cause you to repeat some action. Do you want to continue? [01:49:26] [discord] I'll give it continue [01:50:13] [discord] yes [01:50:16] [discord] continue [01:50:38] [discord] Here goes the third [01:51:02] [discord] The file also has templates and other things, should it work like this? [01:51:13] [discord] if its still not working after trying many times use [[Special:RequestImportDump]] [01:51:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestImportDump [01:51:13] [discord] [01:51:14] [url] Not logged in - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [01:52:01] [discord] naleksuh: do the semantics really matter [01:52:41] @BrandonWM To be honest, yeah they do. I wasn't suggesting you should be blocked but I don't want to get into a precedent of "restrictions can just be ignored or overriden" [01:52:50] [discord] if the restriction falls upon who's nominating you even though a steward/sysop approved your nomination then it just seems like pointless bureaucracy to me [01:52:51] And to be fair you do have a history of violating topic bans [01:53:16] [discord] By the way, do uploaded pages count as pages? I already did a test and I don't count them as such [01:53:31] [discord] uh i think so [01:54:18] [discord] If you're referring to the page count displayed on the homepage, that doesn't update in real-time. [01:54:34] [discord] Ah ok [01:54:46] [discord] If the page meets criteria for a count as 'article', then it will eventually count even if it originated as an upload [02:12:11] [discord] @Tali64 thanks for pointing the restriction out by the way [02:13:01] [discord] You're welcome [02:14:24] [discord] Maybe delete and remake the table? Other than that I got nothing cuz sometimes cargo just doesn't want to work and then suddenly it does lol [02:14:43] [discord] it was forgotten and even though it doesn’t help me necessarily haha i appreciate the transparency so it could be resolved [02:18:25] [discord] i see [02:18:26] [discord] i might [02:18:28] [discord] do that [02:18:29] [discord] later [03:15:15] [discord] @Meta-Wiki Administrators for those that are testwiki consuls, could someone close the TestWiki RfCs when they have time? [03:15:36] [discord] they've been open for a while and no changes have been made, so they might as well be closed because it's just stale right now [03:25:27] [discord] Why are you ping meta administrators for testwiki issues? [03:25:46] [discord] a lot of Meta admins are testwiki consuls [03:30:38] [discord] I'd probably refer to active testwiki consuls directly tbh [03:30:52] [discord] active and testwiki is an even slimmer list [03:31:21] [discord] true but there's no @ for that and i'd have to ping each individually [03:43:46] Also #miraheze-testwiki exists for a reason [03:43:53] I don't think it's bridged to discord, though [03:44:30] [discord] not on Discord [03:44:31] [discord] yeah [04:22:26] [discord] we've got the reports extension enabled chez nous, but i'd prefer the problemreports extension at shoutwiki bc dropdown and translucent popup is more user-friendly imo http://www.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Help:Reporting_a_problem documentation seemed to only be on shoutwiki and i couldn't find its public source code or anything. any of y'all have the skinny on this? ofc it would be ideal to straight-import problemreports as an [04:22:26] [url] Help:Reporting a problem - ShoutWiki Hub | www.shoutwiki.com [04:25:16] [discord] We do not support ShoutWiki and as far as I know, have no ability to migrate extensions from their platforms over to ours as MediaWiki isn't ShoutWiki [04:34:17] [discord] Well, that's not strictly true... Shoutwiki does use MediaWiki, but a much older version with lots of custom stuff on top [04:35:44] [discord] Shoutwiki uses only a few versions older I think, and they dont open-source all of their extensions, but don't have core hacks themselves I think. [04:37:39] [discord] Despite being listed as GPL 2 on their special:version page, it seems like that problemreports is closed-source proprietary [04:38:01] [discord] Trying to get confirmation on that [04:42:21] [discord] Yeah, total dead-end... [04:45:16] [discord] Their version of Monaco is closed-source also, somewhat oddly for that one... [04:50:21] [discord] I believe Monaco was (or is?) a paid feature back in the 2010s [04:52:09] [discord] Maybe it is. I also maintain an open-sourced version of Monaco now also. Monaco has had so many forks and maintainers over the year. Quite a history, unlike any other skin. It started out on Fandom, then Wikia years and years ago... [04:54:07] [discord] It is had like 4 different maintainers (as different forks) (the version I maintain), plus the original Wikia version, and the Shoutwiki version. [04:56:04] [discord] too bad, but ty for confirming it's not public. i'll keep tinkering on our interface [04:56:24] Hello raidarrr! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [04:57:04] User:122.104.186.255 [04:57:05] User:122.104.186.255 [04:57:05] User:122.104.186.255 [04:57:06] User:122.104.186.255 [04:57:28] raidarr: that's not very nice of you [04:58:45] [discord] huh [04:58:53] Hello BrandonWM! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [05:29:13] [discord] wtf [05:40:01] [discord] wat [05:47:03] [discord] More IRC spam-dummies [05:49:04] [discord] metawiki logged me out again [05:49:12] [discord] i checked my cookies [05:49:19] [discord] and it had past logins and saved username cookies [05:49:22] [discord] but not session cookies [06:46:44] [discord] it's been an issue with me lately as well, and other users i know [06:46:49] [discord] no idea on the cause [06:46:53] [discord] @cosmci [06:47:19] [discord] [[phab:T10456]] [06:47:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab:T10456 [06:47:20] [discord] [06:47:21] [url] ⚓ T10456 Investigate session issues with users getting logged out | phabricator.miraheze.org [06:49:16] [discord] yeah i se [06:49:19] [discord] *see [06:54:17] [discord] @paladox what do you think would happen if we use CACHE_DB for session cache? (just wondering your opinion) also. Trying to find the best way to avoid these session issues, which I am thinking is caused by key evictions in memcached due to it more aggressive caching in 1.39, so a lot more is cached now. [07:22:30] @CosmicAlpha Is it just the local wikis or the entire cookie set [07:22:39] Login attach hasn't worked on Miraheze for a while now [08:05:08] Naleksuh: I am not sure what you mean. [08:05:18] Logging out [08:05:36] Also do you want to do anything about the IP on meta? Nobody as blocked yet??? [08:06:33] Everytime I go on Meta I get logged out almost immediately right now, so I am not doing anything until we resolve this. It is far too annoying. [08:07:31] You are not doing anything about an IP doxxing someone because you might get logged out? [08:07:41] [discord] I presume it’ll try and use objectcache table? But I’m not entirely sure tbh. [08:07:42] I can't even login. [08:07:59] I just get session errors now. [08:08:12] [discord] I have not had issues with login, I’m still logged in [08:09:29] Oh wait Naleksuh what is going on with doxxing [08:09:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/20.190.22.62 [08:09:52] But you didn't want to deal with it because oh no cookies [08:11:20] not by choice, I can't even login... and yes I tried clearing cookies, and even in incognito. What the hell... this error is something new (well for me at this time)... [08:12:20] I will try a maintenance script to wipe my session data and try again. [08:12:41] [discord] Yeah, it would use objectcache. [08:12:52] [discord] whopps wrong reply message. [08:13:16] [discord] meant to reply here. [08:15:15] [discord] You can try it [08:16:02] [discord] But I don’t feel like it will fix your issue as the problem would have started years ago not recently and also would be affecting everyone. [08:17:03] [discord] it's central auth error or MWs itself? [08:18:47] [discord] Someone's been doxed on our wiki and it's the middle of the night for the administrators. Anyone available to help delete it? [08:18:59] [discord] paladox: 1.39 caches like 4x more. [08:19:03] [discord] @paladox [08:20:07] @RebeccaBunch which wiki? [08:20:41] [discord] Criticalrole [08:20:44] [discord] Ok [08:25:55] Hum, did someone do something to sessions? [08:28:33] Well it's been nearly an hour and the dox parade is still going on with no signs of stopping [08:28:44] Guys it's 12 past midnight I want to go to bed :( [08:28:54] @CosmicAlpha @paladox Time for SRE to do something [08:29:33] [discord] I do not know what to do with 20.190.22.62 one! Sends on every discussion page that Naleksuh was banned [08:29:35] [discord] @CosmicAlpha [08:29:47] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/20.190.22.62 [08:29:49] [url] User contributions for 20.190.22.62 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [08:31:07] [discord] I don't get how exactly they doxx [08:31:08] [discord] they look up accidental logged out edits and users? [08:31:26] [discord] ? [08:31:43] [discord] i meant Kumioko... Kumioko Was banned [08:31:58] [discord] I meant Kumioko... Kumioko was banned [08:32:10] [discord] @Meta-Wiki Administrators @Stewards I can't login at all now, as I locked my account for two hours for trying to much apparently even though I only kept reloading from the 504s I kept getting. [08:32:10] [discord] Can someone handle please? [08:32:49] [discord] Don't you have the permission `unblockself`? [08:33:42] [discord] I locked my account, saying to many incorrect password attempts, not blocked it. (i know my password was wrong, logging in just was giving 504s now, and reloading apparently upped that counter) [08:34:15] [discord] Apparently all the up to two hours, I thought it started at 5 minutes... [08:34:18] [discord] The accounts Kumioko and Zedebe do not even exist on Miraheze [08:34:38] [discord] @CVT [08:35:12] [discord] Yeah, 20.190.22.62 seems to be spamming [08:35:56] @Justman10000 You are contributing nothing [08:36:05] This IP is an LTA and is doxxing and should be blocked by the first edit [08:36:13] We are here because everybody but me is sleeping or something [08:36:33] [discord] Why does this have to happen right now??? the worst possible time... [08:37:17] [discord] Well, if I were a steward, I could have taken care of it.... But no... [08:37:51] [discord] And sorry that I am only a menshc, and not always see through either [08:38:04] [discord] And sorry that I am only a human, and not always see through either [08:38:14]