[02:06:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Way⁩#3288> Is there a way to not show hashes when linking to page subsections without forcing rendering with `|`?
[02:23:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> That's the only method I'm aware of, but others may have further guidance.
[02:24:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> no simpler way I could think of
[04:07:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Molto Ritardando⁩#7334> Yo yall got any good main page templates?
[05:52:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> and..i'm bacl
[05:52:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> the weekend semi-break or whatever
[05:52:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> a lot
[05:55:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748, replying to ⁦Molto Ritardando⁩#7334> depends on how you want main page to look like, but in any way you'll have to look into existing established example, and the whole process is like building a web (not wiki) site w/ HTML+CSS
[05:58:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> anyone mind taking a look at [[Global Rollbackers/List]]
[05:58:07] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Global_Rollbackers/List
[05:58:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Wiki-Bot⁩#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Global_Rollbackers/List>
[05:58:09] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Global Rollbackers/List - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[05:58:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> and checking why autopatrolled isn't popping up for 1108-Kiju
[06:01:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> @NotAracham thoughts?
[06:04:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> can't seem to fix....
[06:05:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> ah wait, fixed...guess i had to capitalize the template name? still weird, considering that's never been a thing
[06:05:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> but oh well, it's all good i suppose
[06:13:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Sorry, just now seeing this
[06:14:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> 1108-Kiju also has a few near-named users, so making sure you've got the right one is important. 🙂
[06:21:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> [1/2] realized that my discography lists are probably lowkey confusing to go tru and tried to add tiny cover previews, like on Discogs
[06:21:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> [2/2] what do you think?
[06:21:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Definitely helps 'at a glance' views...
[06:55:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> what would happen if i scraped all the images from a fandom wiki
[06:55:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> like i know the official page says thats not allowed by fandom but what are the actual practical chances it would cause harm to me or someone else
[06:55:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> i dont think a lawsuit or something could be filed over that
[06:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> [1/5] Likelihood of legal action?  Probably low
[06:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> [2/5] Likelihood of a permanent ban based on IP check?  Probably low-to-moderate
[06:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> [3/5] Likelihood you should take any of this as implicit permission or advice?  Exactly zero.
[06:59:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> [4/5] 
[06:59:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> [5/5] Very much at your own risk. 🙂
[07:00:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> everyone do this just don't be vocal about it
[07:51:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> there's still problems w/ TemplateStyles?
[07:52:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> first time in a long time creating styles.css page, never had problems here, but now it was created in wiki markup
[07:59:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Way⁩#3288> Is there a way to change the wiki's Navigation Bar?
[08:12:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748, replying to ⁦Way⁩#3288> are you using Cosmos skin?
[08:15:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Way⁩#3288, replying to ⁦Legroom⁩#2748> Yes
[08:21:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748, replying to ⁦Way⁩#3288> `MediaWiki:Cosmos-navigation`
[08:22:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> there's also default `MediaWiki:Sidebar` for other skins
[08:27:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Way⁩#3288, replying to ⁦Legroom⁩#2748> What's the exact formatting needed?
[09:06:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748, replying to ⁦Way⁩#3288> [1/4] like on FANDOM w/ `*`s
[09:06:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748, replying to ⁦Way⁩#3288> [2/4] `* header
[09:06:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748, replying to ⁦Way⁩#3288> [3/4]  first drop-down
[09:06:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748, replying to ⁦Way⁩#3288> [4/4] * next drop-down `
[11:00:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦hb1290⁩#5011, replying to ⁦Legroom⁩#2748> I’ve had that happen too recently. Just a matter of changing the content model. Still a pain though
[11:01:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> [1/2] yeah
[11:01:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> [2/2] I'm not in active phase of creating templates rn tho, but for new blank wiki gonna be tricky
[11:02:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> I remembered that I promised to migrate wiki from FANDOM but I keep forgetting about it lol
[11:02:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> because I still haven't managed to scrap files
[13:40:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦TestTubeFan⁩#8371> Not many wikis take a jab at the left and right, Real Life Villains Wiki did. It shouldn't have been closed.
[13:44:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Cabra⁩#8309> It got closed because the overwhelming majority of it was unsourced, making it a ticking defamation/libel lawsuit waiting to happen.
[13:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> ^
[15:20:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Shaoji⁩#5161> So how long does it usually take for you guys to check over wiki requests?
[15:20:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978, replying to ⁦Shaoji⁩#5161> depends on who's around to review
[15:20:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978> not longer than a day usually
[15:20:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Shaoji⁩#5161> Ah
[15:21:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Shaoji⁩#5161> A few hours shouldn’t hurt. Better than taking a few days.
[15:24:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Shaoji⁩#5161> I really hope this reason is effective.
[15:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦BWM⁩#6978, replying to ⁦Shaoji⁩#5161> I'm not a wiki creator, but from my standpoint it looks good
[16:49:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Shaoji⁩#5161> 
[16:49:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Shaoji⁩#5161> Yippee!!
[17:08:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦The Crimson King⁩#4985> Nice
[17:21:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> MassEditRegex completely messes up, doesn't it?
[17:22:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> It often happens that he completely messes up my pages
[17:40:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦The Crimson King⁩#4985> Who?
[19:06:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> Who ? Or where ?
[20:45:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> no reason why masseditregex would break things unless you had a software level error or you did not use it correctly (it takes a bit of finesse and it can do some  breaky things if you did not select things in an ideal way)
[21:10:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> Everything was in order. It wasn't that.
[21:12:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> dunno
[21:13:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> without anything specific there is nothing that can be advised
[21:30:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> I'll post a screen as soon as I can.
[21:52:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> https://marioandluigi.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Luigi&diff=416&oldid=332
[21:52:26] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Luigi: Difference between revisions - Mario & Luigi Wiki | marioandluigi.miraheze.org
[21:52:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> This kind of thing, for exemple
[21:54:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> https://fiction.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Mod%C3%A8le:Mario&oldid=111255
[21:54:33] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Modèle:Mario — Wiki Fiction | fiction.miraheze.org
[21:54:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> Or this
[22:04:31] <Samuel_>	 If I want to get in contact with John or Void, what's the best way to go about it?
[22:08:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Owen⁩#9698> Email would probably be the best route for John
[22:09:07] <Samuel_>	 I guess nobody really uses IRC anymore; makes sense haha
[22:11:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Voids on discord often, you can ping with @ Void
[22:13:14] <Samuel_>	 I see.
[22:13:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> You dont have to be on discord to ping btw
[22:14:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751, replying to ⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> What was the "search for" value?
[22:16:10] <Samuel_>	 Yeah, I'm aware of how IRC bridges work; but alas, this is more of a private matter.
[22:16:16] <Samuel_>	 Thanks for clarifying, though :)
[22:16:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> No problem
[22:16:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> so probably email
[22:16:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> For the second link, "[[File:242-2425789_open-sound-icon.png|15px]]"
[22:16:33] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:242-2425789_open-sound-icon.png
[22:16:58] <Samuel_>	 John always was hard to get ahold of, but I'll send him a line.
[22:17:03] <Samuel_>	 Thanks for the heads up :)
[22:17:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> I suppose if you have void's mail (email feature on meta is an option) void tends to be relatively responsive in my experience
[22:18:02] <Samuel_>	 john@miraheze.org is john's email, yeah?
[22:18:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> or can dm discord side, I can't tell you if he's particularly active on irc at this point though
[22:18:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751, replying to ⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> Thats exactly how you entered it in the textbox? That wont work because special characters arent escaped. See https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex_Guide
[22:18:28] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User:Dimpizzy/MassEditRegex Guide - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[22:20:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> I see thanks. It's looks quite complicated for such minor changes.
[22:21:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> A bit yeah but its easy once you know what to do. Just remember to surround the whole thing with forward slashes and put a back slash before anything on that list like `[`.
[22:23:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> `/\[\[File:242-2425789_open-sound-icon.png\|15px\]\]/`
[22:25:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Ice Mace⁩#2538> Okay, thanks. I guess I'll see about that when I need to do this kind of manipulation again.
[22:28:49] <Naleksuh>	 Samuel_ LOTS OF PEOPLE USE IRC
[22:28:59] <Samuel_>	 haha
[22:29:36] <Samuel_>	 you see, back in my day miraheze was very small and there were two stewards haha
[22:29:43] <Samuel_>	 and everyone was on IRC
[22:30:43] <Naleksuh>	 Everyone should be on IRC. Discord is a tumor, a disease
[22:31:11] <Samuel_>	 I don't agree with that, but things are more complex than they used to be :)
[22:40:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> well, I'm sure the guy who thinks the platform a majority of the active miraheze audience uses is a tumor is a good authority to talk about irc being actually really popular and the rest of us misunderstand
[22:41:22] <Samuel_>	 Heh
[22:41:35] <Naleksuh>	 Heh?
[22:41:39] <Naleksuh>	 I didn't really find it that funny
[22:42:03] <Samuel_>	 I just find it to be a pointless argument.
[22:42:31] <Naleksuh>	 The real fight starts when people propose removing the IRC bridge
[22:42:32] <Samuel_>	 Not like it matters when there's a bridge.
[22:42:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> we have only 4 stewards now despite our explosive growth lol
[22:43:26] <Naleksuh>	 One group did that; they used IRC since 2004, eventually made a Discord in 2017, then they removed the bridge, then they removed IRC completely
[22:43:26] <Samuel_>	 When did you join Miraheze, Agent?
[22:43:43] <Naleksuh>	 Terrible stuff
[22:43:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> 2015
[22:43:56] <Naleksuh>	 2015 backwards is 5102
[22:44:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> I think I'm user #155 on Meta
[22:44:30] <Samuel_>	 Interesting.. I don't remember you from back then, but then again I only really remember John, SPF, Void and Reception.
[22:45:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> I mainly used Miraheze for wiki hosting, I didn't really volunteer back then though I lurked every so often when there was a CentralNotice or something
[22:46:56] <Samuel_>	 The only real testament to my existence back then is that I created the CVT wiki.
[22:47:09] <Samuel_>	 Something I only remembered because I went snooping.
[22:47:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> that makes you eligible for autopromotion to owner of Miraheze
[22:47:59] <Samuel_>	 Nah, I've been gone way too long to lay any claim to anything.
[22:48:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> oh nice, I didn't realize it's original name was "Miraheze Janitor Wiki"
[22:48:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> very fitting actually
[22:48:28] <Samuel_>	 Yeah lol
[22:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> might just rename it to that lol
[22:48:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> just rename global-sysop to janitor
[22:49:05] <Samuel_>	 I was an immature prick back then, but I did have a few redeeming contributions :)
[22:49:05] <Naleksuh>	 Why was it called that
[22:49:25] <Samuel_>	 Probably because I took a book out of oldschool Wikia's book back then.
[22:49:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Weren't we all?
[22:49:39] <Samuel_>	 They used to refer the VSTF as Janitors.
[22:49:57] <Samuel_>	 Way back in the day and I liked the sound of it.
[22:50:02] <Naleksuh>	 At least Miraheze didnt remove monobook skin for not being GDPR compliant
[22:50:51] <Samuel_>	 In fact the reason I wanted to even bother contacting John was to see if he'd be willing to let me back, granted it is true that I had my own account locked many years ago.
[22:51:02] <Samuel_>	 But alas, John is absent from IRC and I'm lazy.
[22:51:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Why not email Stewards?
[22:51:49] <Samuel_>	 It's a special case because there was only three Stewards at the time and it would be a lot easier to contact those who actually knew me because this was back in early 2017 :)
[22:52:35] <Samuel_>	 I feel like it's best left up to the people who were involved with me back then to actually get the final say if they can be arsed to let me back haha
[22:52:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Well, it seems like it's a self-requested lock
[22:52:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> so I could unlock you if you want
[22:53:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> @Orduin thoughts? ^
[22:53:06] <Samuel_>	 Well yeah, but at the same time there might have been an internal discussion to keep me out afterwards, I'm not even sure.
[22:53:16] <Naleksuh>	 Why would there be?
[22:53:34] <Naleksuh>	 And even if there was, anything short of a PUBLIC discussion may be undone by any steward
[22:53:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> I don't think there would be
[22:53:56] <Samuel_>	 Yeah, things are a lot different now than they were back then.
[22:54:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> either way, 90% of us were pricks too 5+ years ago so no shame in that
[22:54:08] <Samuel_>	 But you know, I just want to be thorough and not come back unwelcomed.
[22:54:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> There's lots of new faces so I don't think you'd be unwelcomed since we don't particularly know your backstory
[22:55:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> but if you want, email stewards@ and I'll discuss this with Void and Reception
[22:55:30] <Samuel_>	 I already sent Reception a message on IRC. I don't think there will be much of an issue honestly, but I still wanted to check with them anyway.
[22:55:45] <Samuel_>	 I wasn't exactly a popular person back then in general when it came to any wiki community haha
[22:55:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> ah
[22:56:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> he'll likely get back to you in about 5-7 hoirs
[22:56:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> hours*
[22:56:35] <Samuel_>	 I don't really expect an issue after 6 years either way, but yeah.. being thorough is important.
[22:56:57] <Samuel_>	 Maybe I'm overcomplicating things, I doubt they have strong feelings but better safe than sorry.
[22:57:34] <Samuel_>	 Miraheze has a way to permanently delete accounts now I see?
[22:57:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> if there wasn't anything on record that would entail you to be locked there is no reason for stewards to go 'well sorry we're not unlocking you'
[22:57:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Not really, it just renames you
[22:58:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> and if this crop of stewards did I'd bitch at them for it :p
[22:58:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> a la Wikimedia vanish
[22:58:52] <Samuel_>	 Curious, how's CV scene on Miraheze these days? Any real problems with vandals?
[22:58:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> more than likely most people at this point simply wouldn't remember, lots of new faces
[22:59:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> well, there's a number of 'regular customers' in the vandal dept
[22:59:09] <Samuel_>	 When I joined the CVT, there was only myself and one other.
[22:59:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Plenty of vandals
[22:59:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> nothing intolerable
[22:59:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> to be expected with our growth
[22:59:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> spam is really the irritant at the moment
[22:59:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> I think agent has more or less dealt with that for now
[22:59:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> I nuked every VPN/web host IP imaginable so hopefully that's not an issue anymore
[22:59:50] <Samuel_>	 I feel like playing whack-a-mole, but I'm not going to try to ask for my permissions from 6 years ago back even if it's fine for me to return.
[23:00:00] <Samuel_>	 Things are way too different and that's disrespectful to the community.
[23:00:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> the nature of getting permissions has changed significantly
[23:00:08] <Samuel_>	 Yeah, exactly.
[23:00:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> arbitrary promotion almost no longer exists, at least not to any significant role
[23:00:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> in the community vein I should say
[23:01:16] <Samuel_>	 It never should have in the first place, but back then Miraheze was so small and the only people involved in those decisions were Stewards.
[23:01:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> nonetheless there are ways to assist without powers
[23:01:37] <Samuel_>	 I'm aware and that's how I would plan to help out.
[23:01:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Great to hear that!
[23:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦ℕ𝕖𝕧⁩#8627, replying to ⁦Tali64⁩#9984> Sorry for the late answer. I did that, but there's so much templates in templates and things connected, it's a bit overwhelming (and it doesn't work yet). I'm just trying to make footnotes and references correctly.
[23:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> well, feel free
[23:01:51] <Samuel_>	 If nothing else, it's something to do.
[23:02:03] <Samuel_>	 I'm bored and have nothing better to do.
[23:02:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> after many years of being horribly understaffed in the steward/cvt field it's finally starting to perk up
[23:02:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦ℕ𝕖𝕧⁩#8627> Sorry for interrupting the current discussion.
[23:02:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> A record for CVT, 11 members overall
[23:02:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550, replying to ⁦ℕ𝕖𝕧⁩#8627> this is frankly the worst way to do it
[23:02:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> tali gave you the trap advice
[23:02:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> across Stewards, Global Sysops and Global Rollbackers
[23:02:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Tali64⁩#9984, replying to ⁦raidarr⁩#6550> Sorry
[23:02:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> yeah, first time in a while things haven't fallen to one steward and a couple backup figures
[23:02:58] <Samuel_>	 what the fuck
[23:03:03] <Samuel_>	 11?
[23:03:19] <Samuel_>	 and what's the backlog for wiki creation?
[23:03:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> 4 stewards, a couple gs
[23:03:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> wiki creation tends to go solidly
[23:03:34] <Samuel_>	 good to hear
[23:03:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> about a few minutes is the average wait time
[23:03:49] <Samuel_>	 wow, that's even better than we managed to do back in 2016/2017
[23:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> we've been on a roll of having a few primary wiki creators in succession, currently tali is the lead on that front
[23:04:00] <Samuel_>	 and we had less requests
[23:04:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Tali64⁩#9984, replying to ⁦raidarr⁩#6550> Yup, I try to get wiki requests handled as soon as I can
[23:04:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> We get around 30 per day I think
[23:04:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> and you do so quite well
[23:04:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦ℕ𝕖𝕧⁩#8627, replying to ⁦raidarr⁩#6550> From what I can see I'm stuck between two things : either I make everything from scratch or I import stuff that's a mess of interconnections. So I don't know what to do.
[23:04:43] <Samuel_>	 as I can see, global sysops are what CVT became?
[23:04:47] <Samuel_>	 makes sense
[23:04:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> gs = cvt with a lockhammer
[23:05:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Itd be cool to see a chart of number of wikis on MH over time
[23:05:10] <Samuel_>	 uh.. let's see
[23:05:15] <Samuel_>	 well
[23:05:25] <Samuel_>	 back in 2017, it was around 2000
[23:05:33] <Samuel_>	 give or take a thousand in the upper direction
[23:05:35] <Samuel_>	 so uh
[23:05:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> CVT is now the general name encompassing Stewards/GS/GR
[23:05:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550, replying to ⁦ℕ𝕖𝕧⁩#8627> the subject of cite and fixing a wikipedia-bloated wiki is probably best suited for a support topic at this point
[23:05:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> but yeah, the `cvt` group became Global Sysop
[23:06:00] <Samuel_>	 and I can't take credit for the CVT wiki beyond making it haha
[23:06:10] <Samuel_>	 it certainly didn't look nice when I left it
[23:06:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> cvt wiki has had a few moments of utilization
[23:06:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> it does tend to go underused imo
[23:06:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> It's nice to jot down noted
[23:06:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> notes*
[23:06:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> will turn back up later, off to eat now
[23:06:39] <Samuel_>	 I don't even remember why I made it
[23:06:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> The Abuse registry has some basic notes in it about our LTAs
[23:06:49] <Samuel_>	 all I remember is that I made it as the second cvt wiki as a private wiki
[23:06:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦ℕ𝕖𝕧⁩#8627, replying to ⁦raidarr⁩#6550> Noted.
[23:06:54] <Samuel_>	 probably was meant for logging
[23:06:56] <Samuel_>	 but eh
[23:07:38] <Samuel_>	 the past few years I've been doing discord moderation as opposed to wiki related stuff
[23:07:40] <Samuel_>	 much different
[23:07:53] <Samuel_>	 can't remember the last time I was seriously invested in wikis
[23:08:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> still entails dealing with rowdy people though heh
[23:08:15] <Samuel_>	 oh yeah, I mean
[23:08:26] <Samuel_>	 I've moderated servers with a million people in them
[23:08:31] <Samuel_>	 it's fun stuff
[23:08:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Whats the page that has info on every wiki in a table?
[23:08:41] <Samuel_>	 granted haven't in months
[23:08:48] <Samuel_>	 wiki discovery?
[23:08:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Oh yeah
[23:09:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> [[Special:WikiDiscover]]?
[23:09:17] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:WikiDiscover
[23:09:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Wiki-Bot⁩#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:WikiDiscover>
[23:09:19] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Discover wikis across Miraheze - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[23:09:21] <Samuel_>	 I was perusing miraheze yesterday and contemplating if I wanted to bother coming back
[23:09:26] <Samuel_>	 and it looks way different
[23:09:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> hopefully for the better
[23:09:50] <Samuel_>	 are you kidding me?
[23:10:00] <Samuel_>	 I can tell at a glance that the policies are much better
[23:10:08] <Samuel_>	 some of the shit we had back then was terrible
[23:10:12] <Samuel_>	 not fleshed out well
[23:10:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751, replying to ⁦Agent⁩#3928> No wait the one where you can sort by active users and such
[23:10:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> those not very well fleshed out policies have caused us lots of troubles
[23:11:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> our new Content Policy and Code of Conduct lets us deal with things in a better fashion than ever before
[23:11:22] <Samuel_>	 actually, if john our overlord has no issue with me returning, I'll just make a new account
[23:11:33] <Samuel_>	 I'll let some poor sod who has probably wanted my username for years take it
[23:11:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928, replying to ⁦florigon⁩#5751> <https://wikistats.wmcloud.org/display.php?t=mh>
[23:11:40] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] WikiStats - List of Miraheze | wikistats.wmcloud.org
[23:11:49] <Samuel_>	 had both sammy and samuel
[23:11:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> you could also get your old account unblocked and globally renamed
[23:11:54] <Samuel_>	 not exactly fair of me haha
[23:12:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> too many global merges don't exist anymore
[23:12:04] <Samuel_>	 yeah, I'd get them renamed
[23:12:08] <Samuel_>	 nah, don't want a merge
[23:12:10] <Samuel_>	 fresh slate
[23:12:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751, replying to ⁦Agent⁩#3928> Yep thanks!
[23:12:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> np
[23:12:32] <Samuel_>	 just give people the chance to use my old usernames since I have no desire for them
[23:12:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> I don't think John would have an issue or would hold a 6 year old grudge
[23:12:54] <Samuel_>	 saw there was someone who had a Samuel (Miraheze) account, maybe he'd want the username of mine
[23:13:02] <Samuel_>	 nah, I'm mostly being facetious
[23:13:08] <Samuel_>	 poking fun because it's been six years
[23:13:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> He left Miraheze a while ago so he can't anymore heh
[23:13:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> That is, the person who used the Samuel account
[23:13:26] <Samuel_>	 ah
[23:13:41] <Samuel_>	 bet he wanted my account name lol
[23:13:50] <Samuel_>	 shame, I would've given it up
[23:14:00] <Samuel_>	 pretty sure I have "S" too
[23:14:08] <Samuel_>	 man, I was a fan of sockpuppetry
[23:14:19] <Samuel_>	 couldn't figure out what I wanted in a username back then
[23:15:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> automatic grounds to reject your unlock
[23:15:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> lol
[23:19:15] <Samuel_>	 such a shame
[23:19:17] <Samuel_>	 :)
[23:19:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Doesnt look like wikistats has the date a wiki was created. Any chance miraheze has some api with creation date of every wiki? I wanted to visualize the growth over time
[23:19:44] <Samuel_>	 which wikis are you looking for?
[23:20:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> All of them lol i want to make a graph
[23:20:12] <Samuel_>	 that might be a bit difficult lol
[23:20:20] <Samuel_>	 especially with all of the closed wikis
[23:20:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Yeah i was gonna ignore those and settle for creation dates of still open wikis
[23:21:41] <Samuel_>	 Agent, could I possibly have you rename some of my locked accounts to gibberish as I can remember? If I need to provide proof by being able to log into them, that would be fine.
[23:22:37] <Samuel_>	 There's one in particular, but I'd rather contact privately for it.
[23:23:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> A list of open wikis by creation date is a possible thing to query, but I don't know if it is a publicly queryable thing
[23:23:49] <Agent>	 Samuel_: sure, I can. I can unlock the accounts you want renamed and then you can submit a rename request at [[Special:GlobalRenameRequest]]
[23:23:49] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:GlobalRenameRequest
[23:23:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Is there like a miraheze global api i could try looking at?
[23:24:11] <Agent>	 I believe WikiDiscover has an API
[23:24:20] <Agent>	 WikiDiscover shows you creation dates
[23:24:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Oh cool
[23:25:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Do you know how to access the api? I dont see anything on the page
[23:27:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> It's not documented
[23:28:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> <https://meta.miraheze.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=wikidiscover>
[23:28:13] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] MediaWiki API help - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[23:28:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> only docs which probably exist
[23:29:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> Oh ok didnt know it could be attached to mediawiki's api, thats cool
[23:32:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> aw the api doesnt include creation date
[23:33:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> https://meta.miraheze.org/w/api.php?action=wikidiscover&wdlimit=10
[23:33:03] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] MediaWiki API result - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[23:34:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> RIP
[23:34:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> it seems only Special:WikiDiscover does
[23:35:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Maybe you can file a task requesting that that be added to the API
[23:35:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> good idea, i was just gonna ping cosmicalpha, but a request would be better
[23:35:57] <CosmicAlpha>	 Ping me about what?
[23:36:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> adding creation date to the api for wikidiscover
[23:36:24] <CosmicAlpha>	 (mentioning my username pings me on IRC lol)
[23:36:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> oh lol sorry
[23:36:36] <CosmicAlpha>	 oh, sure, will later
[23:36:41] <CosmicAlpha>	 Task is fine
[23:36:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> im trying to make a chart showing miraheze wikis over time
[23:36:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> thanks!
[23:36:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> ok ill make one
[23:40:13] <CosmicAlpha>	 No problem, I am heading off now.
[23:41:03] <Samuel_>	 Do you all keep the CVN-related channels on Discord?
[23:41:27] <Samuel_>	 I'm referring to spam/vandalism feeds.
[23:41:34] <Samuel_>	 Surely you don't do all of that without feeds, right? :P
[23:42:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <⁦florigon⁩#5751> yeah theres a #cvt-feed over here
[23:42:14] <Samuel_>	 Oh interesting.
[23:43:02] <CosmicAlpha>	 There is also some other discord-only feeds powered by my new module of DiscordNotifications extension for MediaWiki-sided directly CVT monitoring. That still need more work though.
[23:47:33] <Agent>	 #miraheze-cvt-feed exists on IRC
[23:47:47] <Agent>	 that's pretty CVN like