[00:08:15] <⁦NFMiraheze⁩#2978> I know how to properly attribute the images now [00:17:42] <⁦NFMiraheze⁩#2978> @NotAracham I know how to properly attribute the images now [00:18:07] <⁦NFMiraheze⁩#2978> I use the license that’s how I do it [00:18:14] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Congratulations. 🎉 Not sure why I needed a ping, but appreciated. 😄 [00:18:40] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Licensing is a nuisance to set up at first, I'm glad you were able to get it sorted. [00:18:46] <⁦NFMiraheze⁩#2978> Yes [01:38:57] <⁦LuciferianThomas⁩#0666> @CosmicAlpha - DMs 🤣 still waiting for you [02:17:18] <⁦BWM⁩#6978, replying to ⁦LuciferianThomas⁩#0666> i'm sure they'll get back to you when possible [02:17:21] <⁦BWM⁩#6978> they may be busy right now [03:09:54] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER 0 0 0 [03:16:01] <⁦BWM⁩#6978> what [04:10:36] <⁦LuciferianThomas⁩#0666> @BWM yuh I know, I was just afraid that he again typed a response and got side tracked and forgot lol [04:55:31] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020, replying to ⁦BWM⁩#6978> [1/2] > what [04:55:31] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020, replying to ⁦BWM⁩#6978> [2/2] @BWM legend has it that some antiviruses act up when someone receives that on IRC [04:55:36] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> i was testing if its true [04:59:00] <⁦BWM⁩#6978> um [04:59:02] <⁦BWM⁩#6978> okay [05:09:45] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Perhaps not the best thing to test in a public channel that could impact several folks if true? [05:11:47] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> oh [05:11:50] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> thats true [05:13:02] <⁦BWM⁩#6978, replying to ⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> yeah [06:15:45] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> if I wasn't living in shitty place I'd donate more <:xsob:912928935577276526> [06:16:12] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> that little frown face got me like [06:24:39] <⁦GT610⁩#6354> [1/2] Well, any plans for adding more payment methods? [06:24:39] <⁦GT610⁩#6354> [2/2] I'd like to donate some but... I'm in China and we don't use PayPal and I've thrown away my credit card for years [06:27:09] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> What would you suggest? And, if you don't mind me asking, how does payment work in China then without credit cards or paypal? [06:31:10] <⁦GT610⁩#6354> WeChat Pay, Alipay, or Apple Pay [06:35:15] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> Ah. I'm not sure if we can implement those outside of China but if possible I'd be open to it [06:36:24] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020, replying to ⁦Reception123⁩#2349> genshin impact is developed in china and has most of its operations there but they also have some companies in the US and singapore and have been able to use things like wechat and alipay [06:36:55] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> most of their contracts and such are signed under their US or singapore businesses [06:36:56] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> so therefore [06:36:59] <⁦Colleiflower⁩#2020> im assuming its possible [06:40:53] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> hmm I'm not sure if notice translations work [06:41:39] <⁦GT610⁩#6354, replying to ⁦Legroom⁩#2748> It seems the translation depends on wiki language [06:41:43] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> on my Eug wiki w/ Ru UI it theystill show up in English [06:41:52] <⁦Agent⁩#3928, replying to ⁦Reception123⁩#2349> if stripe works in the country then perhaps we may [06:41:59] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> provided stripe isn't banned too... [06:42:08] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> It does not operate in China, sadly. 😦 [06:42:09] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> on Meta switching to Ru changes nothing too [06:42:15] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> [06:42:24] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> sometimes the cache can come into play [06:42:40] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> I can force purge the cache for a language if needed [06:43:19] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Or... hmmm... stripe is not offered in china, but I think it might still be able to accept apple pay from China... more research needed. [06:43:57] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> [1/2] I can wait for cash [06:43:57] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> [2/2] was curious anyway [06:43:59] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> Apple Pay and Google Pay could be interesting to offer also. [06:44:10] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> *cache [06:44:30] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> if we get Stripe going then we could very well accept both 👀 [06:44:34] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> We already offer Google Pay through one of the donation options, IIRC [06:44:41] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> sure I don't mind the cash too lol [06:44:55] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274, replying to ⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> I don't think so, at least not as advertised. [06:45:13] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Ah, yes, the gofundme has it as one of the payment options [06:45:42] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> Oh right yeah that. I meant a permanent Google Pay individual option. [06:46:01] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Ah, yep. [06:48:30] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349, replying to ⁦Legroom⁩#2748> lol send an envelope of cash to Miraheze's address 😄 [06:48:40] <⁦GT610⁩#6354, replying to ⁦Agent⁩#3928> Sorry to say that Stripe isn't available in China [06:49:32] <⁦GT610⁩#6354> It can be used in HK, but there's nothing different to PayPal I think [06:53:52] <⁦AlexDoheny⁩#9999> Just sent 10 GBP via PayPal, not much but hopefully helps. [06:54:24] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Thank you so much! ❤️ [06:54:25] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349, replying to ⁦AlexDoheny⁩#9999> Thanks a lot! It definitely helps! [07:23:34] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> [1/2] > We will also be hosting a Miraheze Meeting at 14:30 in meetings where we'll hear your feedback, concerns, and questions. [07:23:34] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> [2/2] I'm afraid I won't be able to join, as I'm still at work at this point, I end my shift in 15:30, which is a good hour after the meeting start, and then I have like a 15-30 minute to drive home. I'm afraid I won't be able to join therefore. Not to mention that I have something to do. [07:24:03] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Our meetings usually go on for a very long time [07:24:12] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> I think our longest meeting was once 8 hours [07:24:45] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> You obviously can join in and leave at any time [07:29:11] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> [1/2] Well, maybe yes. But I don't really find it useful to join a meeting in the middle, as there might be something important at the beginning which I will inevitably miss, that might be important to understand the direction of the meeting. It feels rather stupid to ask questions to something that has been said before, just because I wasn't able to hear it. Then I have something t [07:29:11] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> [2/2] o do. I not only have a job, but I'm also studying on top of it, which is pretty time consuming on its own. I rarely have some spare time. I might be able to join an hour into the meeting, but might not be able to contribute much. Which is really a bummer, because I'd like to. [07:29:23] <⁦Gummiel⁩#0001> And it is all text based, so can easily read what been said already once you do get time [07:30:04] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> Oh, so it's not a voice meeting? [07:31:07] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> No, it's not. Sorry then for my concerns. I was expecting a voice meeting (as they always are, in a stage channel usually). [07:31:22] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> There are no voice channels as it seems. [07:31:43] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> I'd be willing to get on voice if people wanted to talk that way, but no one ever seemed to use it, so we kinda dropped the idea for it altogether. [07:37:02] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> [1/2] No, that's fine. I'm not much of a talker, I usually just listen, but would like to actually hear a human voice. Stage channels are actually pretty good media for presentations like this. Presenter basically shares their screen with presentation on, with co-hosts occassionally adding some stuff into the mix, and other people listen, and post their questions into a text message [07:37:02] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> [2/2] channel related to the presentation. [07:38:52] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> I'd love something like that yeah, but no one seemed to have the interest to make that worthwhile. [07:43:43] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> Fair enough. [07:56:14] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> yeah it seems Miraheze Meetings tend to be a little more 'asynchronous' as in people come and go and also reply to what was previously said, etc. [07:56:32] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> so it's more of a relaxed and mixed conversation rather than a real meeting where we go through an agenda point by point [08:00:14] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> This is different. Not something I'm used to. 😄 [08:01:31] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> (it's of course as was mentioned only text based for now) [08:04:28] <⁦zBlace⁩#9643, replying to ⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> I would love to hear of few Miraheze officials as I still feel like full on outsider even with 2 years of semi-following its work... with Wikimedia *(though it has many issues) that part is easier as many meetings are even with video. [08:06:03] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> I'd be willing to go on video as well, but I'd need a need to do so, and a willing majority participation. [08:06:46] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> I am gonna head off for the night soon though. [08:07:00] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> Hopefully I'll be back in time for tomorrows meeting... [08:07:06] <⁦zBlace⁩#9643> Also...it might be good to decouple topics that are long-standing and can not be covered in chat format easily, to repost them in forum way *(my strong preference is Meta and Discourse) so people can come across them, link and add at any point in time. [08:13:10] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> In my timezone, the meeting is in the same day. [08:13:35] <⁦CZghost⁩#2894> I guess you are based in Australia, right? [08:20:58] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> Yeah what's tough is that often many of us are busy IRL and have to chat on Disocrd in transit which can make things complicated and result in a lot of sporadic participation in some discussions [08:21:00] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> But we can discuss more during the actual meeting 🙂 [09:21:10] <⁦Pincle⁩#0312> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#%E5%B2%90%E9%98%9C%E7%9C%8C%E6%B0%91 [09:21:13] [url] Stewards' noticeboard - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [09:22:05] <⁦Pincle⁩#0312> I've already made 2 reports.but not done yet [09:24:53] <⁦Pincle⁩#0312> @Stewards [09:26:32] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274, replying to ⁦Pincle⁩#0312> I will investigate that tomorrow as a global sysop, if no one gets to it. [10:21:58] <⁦Coolie⁩#9406> Fundraiser seems to be going decently well so far, if the gofundme alone is anything to go by. Haven't donated much since starting my first wiki in 2017, so hopefully my latest donation helps rectify that somewhat. [10:24:27] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274, replying to ⁦Coolie⁩#9406> That is very much appreciated! We are definitely in need this year, as due to energy costs in the United Kingdom is double what it usually is. Every bit help, and since it has only been active for a little bit, it has gone very well. We are very grateful to pur generous community, and hope it continues to do fairly decent. [10:47:54] <⁦Fiddlestix⁩#9401, replying to ⁦Pincle⁩#0312> huh, off-topic but that's a cool thumbnail thing [10:52:42] <⁦Tali64⁩#9984, replying to ⁦Reception123⁩#2349> Disocrd is awesome, I can't wait for today's meeting [11:11:09] <⁦collateral damage⁩#9037> Is the 2022 fundraiser on gofundme still supposed to be open? (I guess I'm wondering if it would be an issue if someone had saved the old link and donated to the older gofundme in the future or what ahsaaja) [11:17:31] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349, replying to ⁦collateral damage⁩#9037> I guess it wasn't closed but if someone donates there we'll get the money anyway [11:17:58] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> I'll close the 2022 one now so that donations for 2023 can be tracked properly and the old link isn't used [11:18:27] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> I'll take the opportunity to thank everyone who donated already! Every sum matters [11:29:13] <⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882> Hello. My name is Sorachi Tsukudani. Well, 空想シリーズ/ふぁんシリーズWiki is in rough shape. Stewards please help. [11:32:40] <⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882> A user named 岐阜県民 is trolling, please ban him. [11:34:23] <⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882> [1/2] Hello. My name is Sorachi Tsukudani. Well, 空想シリーズ/ふぁんシリーズWiki is in rough shape. Stewards please help. [11:34:24] <⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882> [2/2] A user named 岐阜県民 is trolling, please ban him. This is using Google Translate. [11:41:51] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> #cvt [11:42:30] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> perhaps Kiju and Buehl will look into this [11:45:45] <⁦Kiju⁩#5889, replying to ⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882> [[Mh:chizunet:]]のことであってますか？ [11:45:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Mh:chizunet: [11:45:45] <⁦Wiki-Bot⁩#2998> [11:45:46] [url] 空想シリーズ/ふぁんシリーズWiki | chizunet.miraheze.org [11:46:45] <⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882, replying to ⁦Kiju⁩#5889> 日本語話せるひとがいてよかったです。はい間違いないです。あと岐阜県民はnewでも荒らしをしています。 [11:50:52] <⁦Kiju⁩#5889, replying to ⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882> この件は非常に複雑なので、対応が難航するかと思います。荒らしというか、コミュニティ疲弊という言い方が適切かもしれませんね。ただ、早急に対処しないと被害が拡大してしまうかも。。 [12:31:11] <⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882> @CVT @Stewards @Global Sysops Please respond as soon as possible. [12:37:58] <⁦Pincle⁩#0312> @空地つくだに https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#%E5%B2%90%E9%98%9C%E7%9C%8C%E6%B0%91 [12:38:03] [url] Stewards' noticeboard - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [12:38:08] <⁦Pincle⁩#0312> 報告済みですご安心を [12:42:53] <⁦Agent⁩#3928, replying to ⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882> :donemh: Locked [12:43:16] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> For future reference, if you report someone, please link their CentralAuth directly [12:43:42] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Like if you're reporting the user "Agent", please type in this chat `[[Special:CentralAuth/Agent]]` [12:43:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Agent [12:43:49] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> that creates this link: [12:43:58] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> [[Special:CentralAuth/Agent]] [12:43:58] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Agent [12:43:59] <⁦Wiki-Bot⁩#2998> [12:44:01] [url] Global account information for Agent - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [12:44:11] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> and this link let's us lock quicker ^^ [12:45:45] <⁦空地つくだに⁩#0882> Thank you. I will link from now on. [12:49:29] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> Also note that pinging cvt will grab gs and stewards as well [12:53:09] <⁦Stephanus Tavilrond⁩#1692> Alright, I donated a little bit of money, and translated two of the donation-related texts ^^ [12:54:03] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> legacy donors? 🤔 [12:54:47] <⁦Stephanus Tavilrond⁩#1692> Yep, I donated a couple of months ago too. [13:36:16] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> @Agent [13:36:26] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> @raidarr see #meetings [13:36:29] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> how's the irc end [13:36:34] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> open [13:36:37] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> excellent [13:36:51] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> It's early morning for half the US so it'll probably be slow for a bit [13:36:51] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> maybe a wee 'there's a meeting now' in announcements for signal boost [13:36:57] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> sure [13:37:00] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> not even pinged, just a note [13:37:07] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> or maybe announceping [15:27:53] <⁦RebeccaBunch⁩#8772> Bot account creation happening at an extra fast pace today [15:30:08] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> you mean spam bots? [15:40:20] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> Could you please link us to some so we can handle it? [15:42:09] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> it's criticalrole [15:42:28] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> we'll likely find even more af19 hits and obviously they found new ips to strike with [15:43:44] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> the main issue is really that we can't use the global abuse filter against spambots because there's no possibility to use a global abuse filter warning to tell false positive affected users to request accounts [15:45:52] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> yeah, as far as just making accounts goes the only way to really contend with that is captcha which has not been working as it should [15:46:18] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> we can only react on accounts that have obviously taken steps, and in certain cases maybe come up with an aggressive local filter (I know criticalrole really gets hit) [15:46:44] <⁦Chelepicante⁩#4849> Is there a way to get a copy of all the pages on the wiki? There was one on wiki fandom [15:47:42] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> Special:DataDump [15:59:31] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> various locks issued on bots that tried to drop links, stewards are looking into the ip aspect though unless something changes the prospect is a bit bleak as I believe bots are coming from residential botnets almost exclusively at this point [15:59:59] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> just enough message variance that autokills for spam messages may not necessarily be thorough or reliable [16:00:25] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> wasn't as much of an issue with old captcha but of course that broken and hcaptha appears quite limited unless we find better configuration to use [16:12:05] <⁦RebeccaBunch⁩#8772, replying to ⁦Reception123⁩#2349> Basically the last 14 accounts . I understand hcaptcha trade-off, just was alarmed at rate of change in past 12-24 hours [16:12:07] [url] User creation log - Critical Role | criticalrole.miraheze.org [16:12:33] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> That's weird yeah. Though rest assured, it is unlikely that they'll actually get through our filters and edit [16:12:49] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> the only time they do is when they post text without link, which is rare [16:13:12] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> stewards are doing ip work at the monent since obviously they migrated to something new to do their hits [16:13:24] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> sadly bots are the most prolific lta of them all [16:14:07] <⁦RebeccaBunch⁩#8772, replying to ⁦Reception123⁩#2349> Oh, they would be editing otherwise? B/c I thought were just amassing an army of sleeper accounts for who knows what. Ol'Wikipedia paranoia lol [16:14:21] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550, replying to ⁦RebeccaBunch⁩#8772> no they do give it a shot [16:15:03] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550, replying to ⁦RebeccaBunch⁩#8772> [1/2] see [16:15:03] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550, replying to ⁦RebeccaBunch⁩#8772> [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log/globalauth [16:15:05] [url] Global account log - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [16:15:45] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> their biggest thing is posting canned crap into their user pages which is hit almost every time, I/a steward sees the filter, nuke [16:15:45] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> Yes they always try to edit but our filters prevent them from doing so or inserting links [16:15:53] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> it's extremely rare in my experience that they do [16:16:15] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> I think I've hit two who just posted spammy text [16:16:52] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Only time they'll bypass it is when the wiki has the `skipcaptcha` right in the `*` group which lets users bypass our filters [16:17:35] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> yeah, that's shooting oneself in the foot basically [16:26:32] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> I thought we banned that [16:27:08] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/blob/master/LocalSettings.php#L2909 [16:27:09] [url] mw-config/LocalSettings.php at master · miraheze/mw-config · GitHub | github.com [16:27:17] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> so it's only legacy wikis I guess [16:27:28] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> oh yes, something needs to be run in the shell [16:27:33] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> might you be able to do that? [16:28:26] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349, replying to ⁦Agent⁩#3928> I don't quite remember what it was [16:28:35] <⁦Agent⁩#3928, replying to ⁦Reception123⁩#2349> `sudo -u www-data /usr/local/bin/foreachwikiindblist /srv/mediawiki/cache/databases.json /srv/mediawiki/w/extensions/ManageWiki/maintenance/modifyGroupPermission.php user --removeperms 'skipcaptcha'` [16:29:04] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> also remove managewiki from them while you're at it \:P [16:46:12] <⁦Tali64⁩#9984> While we're here, you might also want to update User:John/WikiStats [16:47:01] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> Ah yes, I'll get to both in a bit [16:50:26] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588> I got question that I been in Miraheze for half year (Before I join Discord) and yet I have no request or permission to upload my avatar [16:51:05] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588> What condition do I need for to gain premission? [16:54:18] <⁦Lake⁩#1494, replying to ⁦Tiglish⁩#5588> avatar? Where exactly? [16:56:56] <⁦max20091⁩#7318> Talking about donation, why I didn't get the new donor role? [16:57:58] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588, replying to ⁦Lake⁩#1494> [1/2] In like Loathsome chracter wiki [16:57:59] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588, replying to ⁦Lake⁩#1494> [2/2] Isn't that link to Miraheze? [16:58:09] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> We don't manage that wiki [16:58:16] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588, replying to ⁦Agent⁩#3928> I didn't mean this [16:58:48] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588> [1/2] I just ask why do we sometime need permission to upload avatar [16:58:48] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588> [2/2] Is Miraheze decentralised I guess [16:58:58] <⁦Lake⁩#1494> it's because each wiki is individual [16:59:04] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Yeah, it's decentralized [16:59:11] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Avatars aren't global [16:59:29] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588> I see [16:59:30] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588> Ok [16:59:31] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Contact the local admins of each wiki and ask then why you can't upload an avatar [16:59:32] <⁦Tiglish⁩#5588> thx [17:02:24] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349, replying to ⁦max20091⁩#7318> ^ @Agent [17:03:21] <⁦Tali64⁩#9984> Off-topic, but I found a fundraiser-related banner with fake ads [17:03:48] <⁦Tali64⁩#9984> I'm thinking about doing something similar on Decyclopedia, but the fake ads are funny [17:05:51] <⁦DeletedUser⁩#4097> Is commercial sponsorships (not automatic ads) possible on Miraheze wikis to help donate to Miraheze? [17:06:32] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> That was rejected by the community years ago [17:14:16] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> last attempt was nordvpn iirc, didn't go well [17:14:32] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> well the NordVPN thing was excessive [17:14:45] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> a web badge or banner on all wiki footers [17:15:00] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> I thought it was maybe only confined to Meta or something [17:34:43] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> @Tali64 updated https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:John/WikiStats [17:34:44] [url] User:John/WikiStats - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [18:25:38] @Agent Some people said Meta only but yeah some people really wanted it on all wikis [18:26:09] Makes sense, a nonprofit whose entire promise is no ads and who doesn't allow proxies deciding to post ads for a VPN service on every wiki [18:26:42] And then later that year they sent around a survey bragging about their no ads policy and I did point out the nordvpn thing [18:30:57] Naleksuh: FYI, unless you use #tag also (for Agent, #3928 (which I never actually confirmed for certain would work), that doesn't ping as a precaution against pinging the wrong user, since Agent matches multiple users, it doesn't ping. I'll improve that later. Just thought I'd let you know. [18:32:12] Hello, [18:32:12] Thank you very much for participating in the annual survey. Since you have asked a question or given feedback, here is your answer: [18:32:12] That issue was a controversial issue, but I would like to stress that that is why we put it up to a community vote, to see whether the community felt like it would be equivalent to an advertisement. As Miraheze is community lead, the decision was fully up to the community, we just wanted to present the option. It was made clear that the community strictly wants no ads and I doubt any such future partnerships will not be proposed. [18:32:13] Reception123 [18:32:14] Site Reliability Engineer [18:32:14] Miraheze [18:33:17] Indeed. But another discussion can be opened, there's nothing against that. [18:34:25] Another discussion about NordVPN? [18:34:28] Please don't [18:34:43] Not NordVPN, I mean another discussion about another sponsorship. Not initiated by Miraheze, I mean if a user wants to initiate it. [18:35:00] There's no reason to silence user voices if they want to get the community's feedback on a specific topic [18:35:27] NordVPN backwards is NPVdroN [18:36:33] I'd oppose NordVPN for sure. Makes no sense to affiliate ourselves with that type of service when we block the majority of IPs used from said services. It literally makes no sense at all. But I'd personally be open to considering something similar for other companies, as long as not intrusive or full advertisements, or bordering on that. [18:36:57] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> generally speaking I don't expect any advertisement to succeed [18:37:33] I don't think it would either but if users want to propose it and give a chance for the community to express itself on the matter again after so many years and in a different context (not NordVPN) there would be no issue with that [18:38:07] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> I wouldn't put a hard block on the discussion, I'd just be realistic about its prospects [18:38:31] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> and it's not impossible for there to be a pitch and/or circumstances that make it more possible [18:38:31] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> What about affiliate linking? for example, adding affiliate links on pages like [[Custom domains]] which say something around the lines of "If you're going to us X provider, please kindly use our affiliate link to help support this free service" [18:38:31] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains [18:38:32] <⁦Wiki-Bot⁩#2998> [18:38:33] [url] Custom domains - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [19:32:56] <⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287> Hi, can a Stewards cancel my global rename request (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:GlobalRenameRequest)? I have decided not to change my name. [19:32:57] [url] Log in - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [19:34:38] <⁦Tali64⁩#9984> @Stewards ^ [19:35:15] <⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287, replying to ⁦Tali64⁩#9984> I was just about to tag the butlers, you know? 🤣 thanks anyway [19:36:36] <⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287, replying to ⁦Tali64⁩#9984> <:EpicFaceMH:912930767972225095> [19:37:45] <⁦Orduin⁩#1491> Declined. Really should be some way for users to go back in and update their request after it has been made [19:38:33] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> our upstream overlords don't find that important! [19:48:05] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> Why does pinging stewards (or any role for that matter) always ping me, though it pings 15 minutes late... [19:49:33] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> If it's a mobile ping, I think the answer is clear -- discord has extremely delayed mobile pings. 😄 [19:49:39] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349, replying to ⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> maybe you have ping all roles notifications [19:50:51] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274, replying to ⁦Reception123⁩#2349> I don't, but I do use Discord Canary, so probably just something off with that. [19:51:15] <⁦Reception123⁩#2349> Ah [20:22:14] <⁦Gautier⁩#3406> [1/2] > We always strive to put our users first and let them know what's going on inside; we never leave anyone in the dark. [20:22:14] <⁦Gautier⁩#3406> [2/2] Is this phrase an English expression, or are you literally talking about darkness? [20:24:13] <⁦Tali64⁩#9984, replying to ⁦Gautier⁩#3406> It's an expression [20:25:43] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Can roughly translate as 'intentionally withholding information or guidance' [20:26:34] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Though not necessarily maliciously. [20:26:47] <⁦Gautier⁩#3406> Thanks, well I understood the sense of the metaphor but I was wondering if I should litteraly translate it or not [20:27:49] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Always good to clarify, while we make efforts to avoid language-specific idioms, they sometimes creep in regardless. 😄 [20:27:52] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> use similar expression in your lang? [20:28:26] <⁦Legroom⁩#2748> tho I sometimes have a hard time figuring this out myself loo [20:32:48] <⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287, replying to ⁦Orduin⁩#1491> Thank you Void. Good Night! [20:33:11] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> Naleksuh: it seems the user on TestWiki who is requesting bureaucrat has a history of socking severely on enwiki [20:33:17] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> just recently too [20:33:22] <⁦Agent⁩#3928> might be best to keep an eye out [20:34:46] <⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287, replying to ⁦Agent⁩#3928> By the way, has TestWiki become the official wiki by Miraheze? [20:35:08] <⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287> I know that RfC was created, I voted. [20:36:32] <⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287, replying to ⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287> Since I'm a new administrator, I'm not very familiar with TestWiki, I'm a little busy these days 😄 [20:36:36] <⁦Gautier⁩#3406, replying to ⁦Legroom⁩#2748> Yeah that's what I try to do, but sometimes the expressions are so weird that I don't see how to translate them [20:36:52] <⁦Agent⁩#3928, replying to ⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287> it did not, no [20:37:20] <⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287, replying to ⁦Agent⁩#3928> Okey, thank you. [20:37:40] <⁦Adenin Konas⁩#1287> Aah, I guess I need to sleep. good night to you [21:10:45] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> best way to describe testwiki is a well connected satellite to Meta, but still independent in how it goes its day to day business (except for the fact many people who operate it also operate on meta or globally) [21:26:13] <⁦BeauFour⁩#7276> Hey! I have a question: on wikis were I have to have my edits approved by moderation, is there a certain non-admin role I can get to circumvent this need of approval? Would "confirmed user" let me edit without having to pend for approval? [21:30:43] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> A role needs to be assigned (or created) with the skip-moderation permission [21:31:19] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Moderation#User_rights for details [21:31:20] [url] Extension:Moderation - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org [21:35:14] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Looks like the group Automoderated should have been automatically created by the extension, so you'd need to have that right added to your user if it exists. [21:37:11] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550, replying to ⁦BeauFour⁩#7276> per above, you would need to assign the automoderated right to confirmed/autoconfirmed users for this to be the case [21:37:23] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> otherwise you assign automoderated [21:37:58] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> I prefer to add the right to existing groups as there's rarely much need to have automoderated as its own group, but that comes down to your use case [21:46:01] <⁦BeauFour⁩#7276> thanks guys [22:45:45] <⁦DeletedUser⁩#4097> What is that theme? [22:45:46] <⁦DeletedUser⁩#4097> https://www.wikiskripta.eu/w/Home [22:45:47] [url] WikiSkripta | www.wikiskripta.eu [22:45:56] <⁦DeletedUser⁩#4097> https://wikioo.org/fi/ [22:45:57] [url] WikiOO.org - Encyclopedia of Fine Arts | wikioo.org [22:49:07] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274, replying to ⁦DeletedUser⁩#4097> Medik I believe. [22:50:41] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> default medik for sure [22:51:59] <⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274, replying to ⁦DeletedUser⁩#4097> Is that even MediaWiki? [23:02:09] <⁦Tali64⁩#9984, replying to ⁦CosmicAlpha⁩#3274> Doesn't appear to be [23:06:19] <⁦raidarr⁩#6550> definitely not [23:18:41] <⁦Joey_Coconut⁩#7406> Hey I need some rather urgent support, a user on the 2b2t wiki has put the personal information of another user as their account's 'real name'. i cannot edit this field or delete the account. it's clearly a sockpuppet account [23:19:02] <⁦Joey_Coconut⁩#7406> what can i do or can someone please help me? [23:20:08] <⁦Agent⁩#3928, replying to ⁦Joey_Coconut⁩#7406> DM me the account's username [23:20:13] <⁦Joey_Coconut⁩#7406> alright [23:24:33] <⁦BWM⁩#6978> @NotAracham someone will have to close irc-side [23:26:16] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Shoot, I forget the command for that [23:30:44] <⁦NotAracham⁩#0009> Got it sorted, thanks @BWM [23:30:47] <⁦Joey_Coconut⁩#7406> Agent rocks, just putting that out there <:cathearthow:771599900009431050> [23:31:16] <⁦BWM⁩#6978> fr