[00:03:01] I do hope you're right, considering the conduct is abysmal as of the last few days. [00:03:49] Frankly, the latest issue is a waste of everyone's time [00:03:50] I'm not going to get into it considering I have no stake in it, but it's not a good look at all. [00:04:39] It's only getting in the way of everyone actually doing things because now we're tied up into having to defend ourselves and babysit people + emotions are running high for some so they're taking a wikibreak [00:05:52] We need more folks running happy/positive interference for you guys. [00:06:22] Of all days for folks to come in with wiki, extension, or MW questions, this is a great day for it! [00:06:31] Ask away! [00:07:09] I'm just here to stalk the CVT feed while I'm bored, pay no mind to me :) [00:07:47] I've got one eye glued to image editing for a wiki hehe [00:07:48] i want to not participate but nale has opened a thread on the CN and is trying to demote virtually everyone [00:08:01] Lets leave that topic alone please. [00:08:11] alright [00:08:25] Thanks Collie! [00:08:29] np [00:09:30] Sorry, didn't mean to mistype your name... my fingers are clumsy today. [00:11:54] The "wikia:" interwiki table link is broken if someone can fix it? It would be better if it was w:c:c and not w:c or c:. [00:12:16] That or a direct link to fandom.com lol [00:12:58] Oh never mind, I see how it works now. [00:13:17] Whew, it's been a long time since I've used interwiki table links haha [00:13:43] But still, the wikia: link without additional parameters doesn't work. [00:25:02] https://backrooms.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&direction=next&oldid=179 [00:25:06] they work fine on my wiki [00:25:14] old version bc i removed the link [00:25:23] [url] The Backrooms | backrooms.miraheze.org [00:31:38] Yeah, it works if you add additional parameters, but not if you use wikia: itself. I'm not sure if that's a limitation of interwiki tabling or if it's just incorrectly configured when it comes to that. [00:33:41] But I suppose doing wikia:homepage has the desired effect anyway :) [00:33:47] Maybe #interwiki-requests for a different way? [00:34:01] (If it's going to drive you bonkers I mean) [00:34:10] Not a high priority request, just something I noticed. [00:34:45] Iirc, all links on Fandom to MH have to be external lol [00:35:44] I'm talking about from Miraheze to Fandom, not the other way around haha [00:35:56] its fine dw [00:36:16] most people who arent genshin players think that my name is meant to be Collie or think that its synonymous [00:37:09] Anyway, see you all later. [00:37:35] it's actually shocking how wikia hasn't banned miraheze links [00:37:57] might cause a streisand effect or whatever its called [00:37:57] also wikipedia's article on wikia uses the word "censorship" exactly 0 times [00:38:00] suspicious [00:38:09] probably because of a lack of reliable sources [00:38:21] true but [00:38:24] if you wanted to though you could get some left-leaning news source to write something about fandom capitalism censorship [00:38:28] or at least try [00:38:54] we all know wikia hates us and they would be overjoyed if tomorrow we didn't exist [00:39:06] i know [00:39:24] that would just make it more obvious than it already is [00:39:26] reminds me of this [00:39:26] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1070889193552760862/fandom_sucks.png [00:40:07] Wikia has a future [00:40:10] just not a bright one [00:40:14] their monopoly is too big [00:40:46] I like that there's smaller platforms doing their own thing with MW software, it's positive. [00:41:01] yes [00:43:16] It's also good for users to run MW in different environments (non-WMF) and submit bug reports for things they run into. Makes the software better for others. [00:43:35] Well, for everyone really. [00:44:13] shoutwiki has existed for over 15 years and it failed to bring down wikia [00:50:53] I wonder if they're more up to date now. I check periodically and they're often running several versions back. [00:51:44] MW 1.35.9, and no SSL for some reason... [00:53:13] They just recently upgraded to 1.35 [00:53:17] as in, a few weeks ago I think [00:53:23] Before, they were on the obsolete 1.34 [00:53:36] i've seen a lot of websites stuck on the oldest supported mediawiki version [00:53:39] Oh boy. I'd have thought they'd jump to the 1.39LTS [00:53:41] i'm kinda confused why [00:53:54] I've seen wikis on 1.15 and even some on 1.9 😬 [00:54:12] security people [00:54:29] Eeeeeeeeek 🫣 [00:54:31] i once had a friend who was running a ~2016 version of google chrome this year [00:55:05] without noscript [00:56:10] Oh, that reminds me. I know skin developers shouldn't have to put in workarounds for Firefox's long, long, long unfixed FOUC problem, but sure would be nice to get rid of the Flash of Unstyled Content. [00:57:04] i get that when loading pretty much any page [00:57:08] Like, we're talking reported 6 years ago. [00:57:11] thought it was a noscript thing [00:57:44] Still unfixed and not prioritized. Just annoying on wikis. I edit my skins, every version, on independent ones to fix. [00:59:19] Yeah, it's irritating. [01:00:05] still a better experience than using chrome [01:02:54] Yeah, all Mediawiki skins affected. Am just used to it now. [01:14:07] The ones on 1.15 include every wiki on EditThis.info [01:14:39] conservapedia is on an incredibly outdated mediawiki release with numerous security issues [01:14:48] some day conservapedia will be hacked and we can all have a good chuckle [01:15:12] im under no legal obligation to inform them and im probably under a moral obligation to not inform them [01:15:17] the world would be better without conservapedia [01:16:02] 1.24 isn't that outdated [01:16:52] oh [01:16:56] it was worse last time i checked [01:16:59] thats a shame [01:18:37] I focus on my own wikis and wikis I enjoy. [01:19:00] More fruitful and productive. [01:19:09] conservapedia is funny though [01:20:44] It was released in 2014 [01:20:49] so that's somewhat old [01:21:17] What are the wikis you mentioned were on 1.9? May be worth checking out [01:22:35] what's the context of the DMCA? lol [01:23:10] some phishing site [01:23:16] https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787 [01:23:16] [url] Youknow GIF - Youknow You - Discover & Share GIFs | tenor.com [01:23:21] but there were a lot more fandom dmcas [01:23:26] i just didnt have the time to look at the others [01:23:56] generally fandom isn't sending DMCAs for wiki-related content, I'd think [01:24:04] wikia used 1.19 for a long time i believe [01:24:08] since they aren't the copyright holder for almost any of it [01:24:25] I have to wonder if a lot of the old wikis get marooned outdated because they used a software auto-installer have no idea how to update. [01:24:29] yeah i know, they manually applied security updates [01:24:41] now they're on 1.37 for some reason [01:24:54] due to them very heavily modifying the mediawiki core, they couldnt automatically install most updates [01:25:01] I wish they'd stop offering these in auto-installers, frankly. It does do people a favor. [01:25:01] after a while it was too difficult to manage [01:25:11] most wikis nowadays are either on 1.35 (the oldest version that still gets security updates) or 1.39 (the current version) [01:25:23] so they switched to UCP [01:25:30] which ruined most stuff [01:25:35] I know some wikis get marooned due to third party extensions that go unmaintained [01:25:54] Gotta have a, b, and c backup plans. [01:26:24] damn [01:27:21] now i can't log in for some reason 😛 [01:27:32] nevermind [01:27:34] Meta also gives me FOUC like that when things are a bit slow. [01:27:37] why did that take so long [01:27:47] backrooms wiki's been a bit slow lately [01:28:09] yeah its probably because database backups or maintenance going on [01:28:49] MW only supports updating from 2 LTS ago, so it would only support from 1.35 hence why they went 1.35 first. [01:29:22] Aaaah, gotcha. [01:29:53] Otherwise, the db structure too outdated, I'd imagine. [01:30:11] Also from what I can see their set up is really broken. [01:30:33] Yeah, has looked pretty poor for quite some time [01:30:54] created a new dump [01:31:00] gonna do that more [01:31:09] The interface always left a not super professional impression to me (just a personal opinion though). [01:31:24] And not intended as a criticism [01:33:14] Just observation as an outsider looking at wiki platforms. [01:35:22] They haven't had SSL on the primary for at least a couple years iirc. [01:35:55] I assumed the platform was abandoned, or waiting for wikis to migrate out. [01:48:31] what’s up? [01:49:22] Sorry, all good now. Someone was asking about wikia links not working. [02:03:20] gotcha [04:02:07] Hi there, I have a user on my wiki who is asking to have their two account histories merged into a third account they just created. I don't think I can do this myself as an admin, but can a global sysop help? [04:02:37] I don't know if we permit merging accounts [04:02:39] let me check [04:03:43] We don't permit merging of accounts unfortunately [04:03:55] The UserMerge extension was uninstalled and as such we are unable to do so [04:03:59] Merging accounts actually isn't supported in MediaWiki anymore [04:04:05] The best we can do is assign edits from one user to the other [04:04:18] and lock the other accounts provided they confirm their identities [04:04:22] apologies [04:05:57] To provide a more concise answer, we can't technically 'merge' accounts but we can reassign the edits of one user to another, just have them make a [[Phabricator]] task and have them list on what wikis they want their edits reassigned to their new user account. [04:05:57] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phabricator [04:05:58]

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[04:06:19] Just noting by the way, Global Sysops deal with spam and vandalism on wikis with no admins [04:06:19] [url] Main Page | phabricator.miraheze.org [04:06:25] Stewards are the global Miraheze admins [04:06:30] yeah [04:06:32] that too [04:07:00] anyway hope this helps! will let @Agent deal with it since they're the steward here haha [04:07:55] OK, thanks, I think this will work! [06:17:38] good morning [06:17:47] have I missed anything? [06:18:27] see CN i suppose [06:18:38] though it's a headache [06:19:56] assuming its put inside "involved users" i never agreed [06:19:58] its just pointless and repetitive [06:20:03] its almost midnight here so i have to sleep [06:21:11] I don't think I've ever seen Bbbtest before [06:21:30] I.....they've also created like 5 tasks on phab [06:21:34] in the last hour [06:21:36] it's annoying [06:21:47] the first time i've seen them was their dramatic argument with tali64^3 over the free editing wiki [06:22:22] the eventual result was that tali64^3 decided to close the free editing wiki because the original purpose was to put up anything anyone wants but given that miraheze rules forbid copyright violations, commercial spam, causing problems for other wikis, etc. it wouldn't work [06:22:41] talking about Nale makes my head hurt [06:22:44] i need a break [06:22:56] same [06:23:07] i'll forget about nale until tmrw morning [06:23:20] not in the mood to reply to all this [06:23:43] okay, good night [06:23:54] I wouldn't bother replying anymore to anything stressful, just keeps it going. [06:24:05] Better to let it end and just move on. [06:24:13] Night to the folks headed to bed! [06:24:23] gonna head out in ~15m [06:24:37] problem is that it won't end [06:25:10] if i could forget about this i would [06:25:18] but its being actively brought up on the CN by numerous users [06:25:24] it will not just be forgotten about easily [06:25:28] I forget not everyone is an INTJ. I just do the door slam and it ceases to exist lol. [06:25:40] well it wont work here [06:25:50] there are some solutions which are being actively examined [06:25:57] if i could stop all of this and go back to normal wikis i would [06:25:58] it's just a process [06:26:02] but its not working yet [06:26:07] not a bad idea tbh [06:26:08] this is correct [06:26:47] Welp, sleep well regardless folks. Don't let silliness into your dreams. [06:27:24] Jeez I had a dream last night where this was all real and it never existed [06:27:58] If I'm having a rough one, I watch the cutest eye bleach I can find before bed. [06:28:21] Then beat the crap out of myself with exercise in the morning. Very therapeutic. [06:28:28] interesting [06:31:22] Kept me from yelling at people when I did vehicle warranty claims back in the old days. Except when the boys in the shop used my (the ladies shop) bathroom. [06:31:57] https://tenor.com/view/cars-extended-warantee-gif-26230825 [06:31:57] [url] Cars Extended Warantee GIF - Cars Extended Warantee - Discover & Share GIFs | tenor.com [06:31:58] With their greasy paw prints all over everything lol [06:32:01] reminds me of that [06:32:54] Oh man, someone just bought a 70k+ new truck and something doesn't work on it, and they wanted to yell at someone for it, well, female or not, that was me that got yelled at. [06:33:39] Puppy and kitten videos at bed time, and gym in the morning and I could refrain from losing my cool lol. [06:34:26] yup y'all i'm out tonight [06:34:32] burnt and it's 11:34 here [06:34:34] gnight all [06:34:38] Night! Rest well! [06:34:41] gn [06:34:45] its 11:34 here too [06:34:51] i'll sleep soon as well [06:35:05] @ me if anything crazy happens [06:35:29] reminds me of someone asking me why im trying to make them use buggy software and complaining that there's no way to run the windows compatibility troubleshooter if they aren't on windows 8 [06:36:10] I'm headed out shortly too. Pacific time zone also here in Canucksville. [06:36:20] makes sense [06:36:22] have a good day [07:07:58] lol I don't think I ever had the windows compatibility troubleshooter actually fix anything in the first place xD [07:08:46] it seems to always fix this one particular problem [07:22:56] Nice, speeds seem back to normal on meta. [09:50:34] the company view thing is true. Literally the reason they banished polandball [09:50:46] they are just focused on gaming and film and other big moneya tuff now [09:50:55] creative/fanoj wikis are being left behind [09:51:10] this is mainly why some of my friends started our own wiki in mh [09:51:18] I had already ported mine but its mega inactive so [09:51:44] the one we came from in fandom is also quite inactive and only held on by a song contest really [09:52:14] @stfudario did i spill the tea or did i spill the tea? xd [10:01:53]