[00:21:02] what’s new [00:21:40] i havent looked [00:21:48] but i just assume that CN is a mess right now [00:21:55] Pretty quiet overall from what I can see. [00:22:06] Just the odd user wandering working on wiki things. [00:22:12] makes sense [00:24:05] I didn't see many support requests, so overall pretty quiet. [00:24:32] ☕ <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [00:25:39] It's always interesting looking at the new wiki creation logs to look at wiki topics. [00:32:37] I've mostly stopped looking at meta apart from for info I need for something. [00:33:14] good idea [01:16:21] All database servers are in the same physical location, so it doesn't matter. The db a wiki created is on is based solely on the available space on the servers (or it's randomized so that one server is unlikely to fill up before the others). [01:17:28] Is there a breakdown on how donated money is spent? [01:17:49] oh i thought there were some that were in the US and others in Europe [01:19:47] You can get a general idea of all expenditures on the page [[Finance]]. Everything bit of money, in or out, is recorded on that page. [01:19:47] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Finance [01:19:48]

[01:20:34] Nope, the only servers that are in different locations are the cache proxies. [01:21:55] is there any preferences that would make the text in the source editor more compressed? [01:22:05] it happens sometime when i dont even change anything [01:24:01] I'm not aware of any preference other than the three options you have for font. Otherwise, I'd simply suggest setting up some css. [01:24:29] I was about to ask if Carhles was referring to font size [01:24:52] Or minification [01:25:25] Yeah, I'm also not too sure what he's talking about (it would be helpful to know more), but I also don't think there's much in preferences that would be helpful. [01:26:09] Carhles, could you perhaps explain a bit more what you mean by making the text more compressed? [01:26:39] I.e., are you referring to font size, window width, code formatting etc.,? [01:27:36] As Void mentioned, I don't recall seeing user preferences for such, sorry. [01:41:51] line spacing [01:42:01] I'm sure its just an error that happens when I load a page sometimes [01:46:08] Gotcha. If you eventually find it irritating enough, user CSS can be used to override line spacing (there are some CSS volunteers that may be able to help with that case if you're not familiar, and you're able to identify which theme you're using). 🙃 [01:47:20] It's easiest for them to be able to see the issue in real-time tho. [01:48:56] 100%, the ability to do an F12 console dive/examine wiki settings and CSS pages directly can make a huge difference. [01:51:25] Exactly [04:29:42] morning, I missed my wake up alarms [04:34:50] is it possible to change font for source editor? [04:44:44] i don't think so but not 100% [04:44:55] if so, would be under Special:Preferences, editing tab [04:46:46] An override is also likely possible via CSS, but I don't have time to investigate. 😦 [04:59:06] definitely possible via CSS [04:59:17] can't check either rn tho [05:03:00] I did modified the editor interface tho [05:49:32] Can be overridden via CSS, yes. [05:49:53] [1/3] ```.mw-editfont-monospace { [05:49:54] [2/3] font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; [05:49:54] [3/3] ```} [05:50:57] Vs the original [05:54:53] I always hid the print cutoff line in the code/ace editor, as it drove me bonkers. [05:55:44] Changing the monospace font for code editing would make stuff much harder to read, tho, imo. [06:05:33] oh beautiful thanks [06:05:49] oh nah i just have another monospace that i prefer myself [06:12:15] np, makes sense. [06:21:11] [1/2] I remember Cosmos for some time had Arial for code lol [06:21:12] [2/2] think it was fixed [06:37:51] [1/2] no it's not 😅 [06:37:51] [2/2] (and not Arial, sorry) [06:39:54] Would a clown-themed wiki choose comic sans as their flagship font, or is that too straight-laced? [06:40:16] Oh, I have seen that somewhere. I feel like my brain hurt trying to read it as itallic after being so used to monospace [06:40:17] (late night wiki thoughts) [06:41:30] If so, they'd also be a comic sans criminal [06:41:54] (in case anyone hasn't seen it lol https://comicsanscriminal.com/) [07:06:03] I remember I saw laptop of my friend's friend [07:06:49] it was Windows XP, and entire UI of it was in Comic Sans w/ huge font size [07:07:09] when I asked them why they said I like it that way [07:07:32] I later learned that apparently it works well for some people w/ dyslexia [07:08:08] Yep, apparently the shapes/curves are easier for some folks to read. Would make my eyes go on strike. [07:09:32] oh, just found out on tumblr that there's Psychonauts wiki on Miraheze now [07:09:41] i was considering using that font for memipedia [07:09:48] never did though [07:09:55] they decided to start from scratch tho, instead of migration from FANDOM [07:15:34] That's a lot of work, from scratch. I would allow a complete revamp or re-organization, tho. Pros and cons, I guess. [07:17:36] just starting to feel tired [07:17:43] I'm gonna go to sleep now [07:17:55] gn yall [07:20:19] good night [07:32:46] G'night Bukkit [07:34:54] a friend of mine has a story where this one person, whenever the person sent my friend google docs, everything would be in like 10px comic sans [07:35:09] and when my friend asked why it was formatted like that [07:35:13] "because it looks nice" [07:35:18] or something [09:42:27] is there an update available about the troubles on friday? [09:50:32] Letting things cool still as far as I know. [09:50:49] Things are running as normal [09:51:01] A couple of folks are taking a short break. [09:51:09] Business as usual otherwise. [09:51:16] G'night folks! [09:59:06] good night [11:13:34] tech nerds are going to rage [11:13:46] i changed the default font on my laptop to comic sans btw [11:20:05] something 2018 me would do [11:39:47] also good morning simians and non-simian primates [14:40:26] Goodnight! [15:11:38] Huh [15:12:20] Saying goodnight late at a UK-based hosting company is interesting, I think. good night size. [15:14:46] *early [15:14:53] it's like 3:15pm in the UK [15:20:55] there are users from all round the world, it's not a big deal (I'm sure not everyone even know it's UK based) [15:36:43] they don't, some friends of mine think it's like fandom based in the us with looser copyright laws [16:22:07] Anyone happen to know where names.php is defined in the MH github code? [17:11:28] @NotAracham what you trying to do? [17:11:32] Isn’t that core? [17:11:39] Or translate ext [17:13:04] It was discovered that defining interlanguage vs interwiki prefixes is handled by a read of the language codes in names.php [17:13:28] Trying to figure out a ready reference other than 'look at wikipedia's list of names' [17:13:43] @NotAracham pretty sure names.php is a core thing [17:13:52] Sounds good, I'll snoop that direction then [17:13:56] it’ll be in like includes/languages or something [17:14:08] Yeah, I was poking around i18n without much luck [17:14:14] That sounds like a likelier direction [17:16:42] @NotAracham https://github.com/miraheze/mediawiki/blob/REL1_39/includes/languages/data/Names.php [17:20:14] Perfect, exactly what was needed. [17:20:22] I'll add this to my IW guide as a refrence [19:20:28] oh well they are abusive [19:21:51] but no I mean, could sponsorship be eventually become legit between an individual wiki and a sponsor, so nothing to do with sponsorship on all miraheze wikis [19:34:34] no [19:34:44] that is still essentially advertising [19:34:52] and violates the commercial content clause of the content policy [19:35:24] part of miraheze's main goal is to have no advertising [19:41:49] [1/2] I don't think the commercial activity content policy clause explicitly disallows your specific hypothetical, but it's definitely a grey area. [19:41:50] [2/2] This is a question better suited to clarification by a steward rather than other folks in general chat. [19:42:00] yes [20:02:08] ehm, question. How often are extension versions updated in Miraheze? curiosity [20:03:52] Varies [20:04:16] We used to report available updates weekly via github PRs [20:04:53] Looks to be monthly now [20:05:00] https://github.com/miraheze/mediawiki/blob/REL1_39/.github/dependabot.yml [20:05:31] There’s 162 updates at https://github.com/miraheze/mediawiki/pulls [20:06:33] Last set were ran 13th [20:06:40] @Hispano76 [20:19:51] Thanks! [20:28:09] @BWM why are interwiki requests being handled on a phab task? https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10631 [20:38:06] Some people did them there for some reason, there was a recent flurry of them. [20:40:06] But agreed we should stop letting 'em go through phab, that's a bad use of SRE time to redirect. [20:58:55] rip my internet is down [21:13:04] for sure [21:13:25] not been intentional, been trying to get them to redirect but they’re ignoring [21:15:00] they'll need to be more strongly informed because I'll go a step further from NA; the use of phab for anything that doesn't explicitly require sre is a liability for getting things done given the state of volunteer time and energy [22:09:38] ok [22:09:54] my internet is being trash rn [22:09:57] ugh [22:13:35] delet [22:19:53] dude my internet is pissing me off [22:20:02] it takes like 10 seconds to send one message [22:22:22] dude i cant even load miraheze :p [22:22:26] i give up [22:23:04] [1/2] oh yeah, we were talking about fandom refusing to close wikis and stuff before, a friend of mine told me a story about how they met someone who founded a non-fandom wiki and then the fandom wiki would just copy all of the wiki's content without attribution. the non-fandom wiki admins repeatedly requested the fandom wiki add attribution but the fandom wiki refused. they made [22:23:05] [2/2] a formal DMCA complaint to take down all the stolen content from the fandom wiki. [22:23:39] (they = non the fandom wiki) [22:24:13] honestly thats what should happen to these for-profit wiki hosts that dont care about copyright <:sunglas:729472275660931173> [22:26:45] i've frankly never really seen people care about copyright [22:26:53] doubt anyone really knows about copyright law [22:27:12] large companies should [22:27:22] before ripping off small creators [22:29:54] i literally cant do much except touch grass because my internet is actually slow af :p [22:37:18] depends on the industry and the companies involved [22:37:49] media companies can range from not caring to seeding piracy that's injected with malware that they use to track down individuals with the files and serve copyright claims to their ISP or door [22:39:07] Thanks @Juwi [22:40:38] Anyone know how to insert infobox templates into our wikis [22:48:24] someone was saying that wikia interwiki was broken [22:48:28] https://backrooms.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Backrooms:Sandbox [22:48:30] it seems to work now [22:50:03] Yeah JustLeafy copies other wiki content to Fandom wikis quite a lot. [22:50:19] Like the entire wikis. Pretty sad behaviour tbh. [22:50:38] Wikia will do anything to make sure they don't lose money. [22:50:47] I'm surprised they haven't banned adblockers. [22:51:13] ok thank you [22:51:25] also thanks for the users that helped me identify a theme the other day [22:52:09] Is there a simple way to create and edit navboxes? [22:53:44] damn [22:54:31] Eg https://tokyo-vice.fandom.com/wiki/TokyoViceWiki and https://manor-lords.fandom.com/wiki/ManorLordsWiki entirely copied my content and still ranks higher in google smh 🧐 [22:55:12] i love how all wikia wikis look exactly the same [22:55:23] file a DMCA takedown [22:55:33] unless your wiki uses CC BY SA (not a later version, that exact version) [22:55:39] and they gave exact attribution [22:55:42] thats in violation of your lilcens [22:56:23] before your file a dmca takedown, you need to understand the license your content is under :p [22:56:26] They’re violating the license anyway because I’m using CC-BY-NC-SA [22:56:59] ah [22:57:06] then file a takedown [22:58:46] i'd be surprised if wikia cared [22:58:49] at all [22:58:59] they are legally required [22:59:02] to comply with DMCA takedowns [22:59:08] like it's a crime if they don't [23:00:10] Did they take the content down for this? [23:00:47] yes [23:01:09] Ah interesting. [23:25:50] are there any known ongoing issues with cargo rn? [23:27:18] Besides the perennial issues of it not really working right, nothing I know for certain. [23:28:22] What is it doing (or not doing) now? [23:37:00] rn it's behaving like only a fraction of our table even exists [23:37:06] except when viewing the table, where it's fine [23:37:17] Should JustLeafy be globally blocked on fandom for copying content [23:40:02] it strangely coincided with a change to editing where visual edit is default instead of source edit (we didn't touch our settings) [23:40:56] But I have left fandom for several of reasons [23:42:12] the front page is supposed to display a random selection of 16 of our 1,735 extant species (jesus I keep forgetting we have that many), but only 6 appear [23:42:33] and many cargo queries around the wiki return no results [23:43:45] null editing pages make them work again [23:44:37] wait [23:44:43] it says there's only 350 rows?? [23:45:01] who rebuilt the god damn table [23:50:22] okay nevermind my report currently yelling at another beaurocrat I have no fucking idea how to spell that [23:53:44] Bureaucrat, but also I think most people will understand 'crat