[00:02:42] our table is massive, as the template for it is on a whopping 5,578 pages, and so many things depend on this table for navigation, automation, and recommendations [00:03:12] and because it's so big it always fails to finish populating on its own when rebuilt [00:03:29] instead having to be populated by hand, which is annoying and time consuming, obviously [00:04:32] which is why the preferred strategy is to make a replacement table and pick at populating it at a more leisurely pace [00:08:42] Yikes, that sounds like something where it would be worth breaking it down into smaller tables or finding another solution. [00:35:48] i remember it like this: first bureau, b-u-r-e-a-u, then crat [00:37:30] are you having an issue of it not adding something to a database despite the template being transcluded? [00:37:40] it occured for me too and no matter what i did it was only with one single template [00:37:46] i have no idea how to solve it [00:38:12] i ended up just making one template for adding data to cargo and one for the actual infobox [00:38:38] bur-eau [00:38:43] eau as in water [00:38:49] what [00:38:50] bur as in, uh, burrito? \:P [00:38:56] that's how I remember it [00:38:58] lmao [00:38:59] o [00:39:02] bur + eau + crat [00:39:10] makes sense [00:39:18] administrator = admin is trator [00:39:44] could be either traitor or tractor [00:39:47] lmao [00:39:58] Well tbh it is that first part I always have issues with too 😉 [00:41:13] administractor [00:44:41] how does eau correspond to water though? [00:48:41] french [02:27:14] im wondering if it'd be possible on [[Fundraiser]] to make a version of the page (with a tabber or something) that uses US dollars and another version using canadian dollars etc [02:27:14] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Fundraiser [02:27:15] [02:46:02] @Agent Sent you a DM [02:49:48] this thing is broken in tor and firefox [02:50:02] it looks like this in both [03:13:03] occasionally you need to purge cache for the cargo tables to display properly as well from what i know with our side [03:13:21] idk if this is a miraheze issue or a cargo issue but its certainly a goofy [03:13:31] i had tried that in my case [03:13:55] i also deleted and undeleted the template, re-wrote it in multiple ways, purged my browser cache, re-built the table, renamed the table, deleted and undeleted the page, and so on [03:25:40] oh yeah, are you implicitly storing stuff or do you specify every variable in that call? cargo tries to be smart (it's not) and can store fields without specifying the associated template variables but I've had trouble with it storing ints (maybe file as well? been a while can't recall) when I didn't explicitly store [03:26:21] i am explicitly specifying the variable, table, etc. [03:26:33] i copied the exact same code that i had in the infobox into another template and the code works as long as its not next to an infobox [03:26:42] but that infobox requirement only applies to one table [03:26:54] for everything else it goes fine next to an infobox [03:26:55] i have no idea why [03:27:12] it also doesnt work to separate them and then in the original infobox, add an includeonly with the separated template [03:27:23] the only way to make it work is to include a template that renders nothing and an infobox [03:27:25] what the hell [03:27:27] yes [03:27:43] again, i purged cache, re-wrote the code, deleted and undeleted things, rebuilt the template, and so on multiple times [03:27:45] i have no idea why it does that [03:28:03] [1/2] *rebuilt the table [03:28:04] [2/2] not rebuilt the template [03:28:20] and its this problem exclusively with one template [03:28:22] Kinda curious if cargo has some magic word that breaks it [03:28:34] probably, there must be something i included somewhere that cargo just doesnt like [03:28:38] but i dont have the time to find out what [03:29:30] if it is this case i woulda expected cargo to complain about it but 🤷‍♂️ [03:29:37] yeah i know [03:29:48] it makes as little sense as expected [03:33:16] [1/2] I advise to make support thread so your message won't get lost [03:33:16] [2/2] I highly suggest to use PortableInfobox extension [03:33:47] pretty sure i'm sick for the third time this season [03:33:50] this sucks [03:52:49] i've replied to nale on the CN [03:53:02] [1/2] *naleksuh [03:53:03] [2/2] never knew he didn't want me to abbreviate his name but whatever [03:53:08] this is just confusing [04:12:16] hello [04:12:30] Cargo has some long unfixed bugs that seem to get some attention and then the maintainer gets busy and disappears again. [04:13:56] Old tickets seem to not get any attention for Cargo even if updated repeatedly. [04:14:07] Or affecting farms. [04:15:40] There'll be a reported problem, then a new version will get pushed and the answer is "upgrade", so you upgrade and same problem or slight variance on. Rinse, repeat (from personal experience). [04:34:26] Has been going on for a couple years for some bugs 🤷‍♀️ [04:38:47] Too busy I guess [04:40:27] Found my PortableInfobox Wikipedia-style CSS! [04:40:42] needs a little more tweaking before it looks 100% on par but it's something [04:41:01] Looks good Agent [04:41:57] maybe a future release of PI can incorporate similar CSS into the extension [04:44:47] That looks like you improved on WP styling. What can't PI do? 😁 [04:45:15] I love PortableInfobox, I must say [04:45:34] and with WP-esque styling, it'll shape up to look very good [04:58:16] CSS is fun to play with and satisfying to see the result. PI seems like such a useful extension for many. [05:00:42] oh, definitely needs to be there [05:00:47] but how [05:01:07] as build in theme value? [05:01:55] we need abolish all mentions of WP import on Meta lol [05:02:25] abolish WP [05:02:27] I agree [05:03:14] Hi everyone. Can someone get me caught up on this PI conversation? I have some things planned for that extension, with my time allowing for more personal dev projects right now. I also have a local patch currently that once perfected, with a simple configuration value, you can make PortableInfobox style looking just like Wikipedia infoboxes. [05:03:53] Yeah, honestly. WP imports generally cause more trouble than most can deal with. Maybe hide away a section for advanced users. [05:04:19] discussed exactly WP styling for PI [05:05:50] Someone commented a few days ago how they wish PortableInfoboxes didn't look so plain by default and that they wished that they looked a little more like Wikipedia infoboxes and I commented that I had some CSS which made them look like Wikipedia infoboxes but I had to find it. I finally found it and I posted the image above. [05:06:56] Ah. Nice! And yeah I have a work-in-progress patch that will do that with simple configuration, including both a configuration variable for global, and a theme value, for individual. [05:06:56] er, more like a few months ago [05:06:58] [05:07:41] If there were a setting which made them look like Wikipedia infoboxes more, I think PI adoption rates would skyrocket [05:08:09] I'll have it done hopefully within the next couple weeks. [05:08:18] Thanks! [05:09:32] wikis where PI is already heavily modified won't have to do anything? [05:09:44] Nope. [05:10:26] It's basically kinda the start of a preset theme system, whereas eventually can be expanded on for a whole bunch of preset themes. [05:10:37] Anything that might help migrate folks away from WP infoboxes to PI is a great imo. [05:11:11] Fantastic [05:11:24] Let's get Wikipedia to migrate away from their own infoboxes to portable infoboxes \:P [05:11:31] lol [05:11:56] they'll inject Lua anyway [05:12:07] Who was it that asked about getting PdfBook working again by the way? [05:12:18] I got it working on 1.39 on my local install now also. [05:12:34] its not a bad idea, it would make their site mobile friendly and easier to use, but i know they wouldnt do it :( [05:13:17] I think I might have raised it in betaheze testing, but had not used it before then. [05:13:32] Infoboxes should really be a core feature also. With no extra work required for them. [05:13:35] PI isn't bureaucratic enough for wp to adopt it :p [05:13:43] Tbh if we could get election info boxes with PI code that would be nice [05:13:46] wikipedia's bureaucracy is absurd [05:13:52] I thought there were some tasks or CN posts about it or something. [05:13:59] Otherwise I'll be using table templates 😒 [05:14:00] just make them [05:14:04] use portable infobox builder [05:14:28] It's the styling and organization headaches that will cause me to use wiki [05:14:36] Long-standing pet project of mine is to create baseline borrowable PI templates [05:14:59] it doesnt take much manual work or any wikitext stuff to make an infobox [05:15:12] ditto [05:15:25] I've been meaning to create portable infobox equivalents of Wikipedia templates [05:15:25] No not baseline. But the election kind will b [05:15:36] What type? [05:15:45] One the 'themes' PI code is ready for primetime, I might take this on in earnest [05:15:45] Would be great to have a library of stuff with examples [05:16:00] are you thinking of https://dev.miraheze.org [05:16:15] reminds me of [[WP:LIGHTBULB]] [05:16:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WP:LIGHTBULB [05:16:16] [05:16:24] Infobox election and infobox officeholder [05:16:26] Yes, but more work is needed to create easy base packages for import [05:16:50] The above are the exact sorts I had in mind [05:17:08] fancy things can be coded in PI, requires more experience [05:17:11] Those two would be usable on many gov sim related gabdoms [05:17:22] [1/57] ChatGPT (GPT-4) generated infobox: [05:17:22] [2/57] ```xml [05:17:22] [3/57] [05:17:23] [4/57] [05:17:23] [5/57] <default>Election/default/title [05:17:23] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [6/57] <image source="image"><default>Placeholder.png/default/image [05:17:24] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [7/57] <caption source="caption">/caption [05:17:24] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [8/57] <label>Country/label<data source="country">/data [05:17:24] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [9/57] <label>Date/label<data source="date">/data [05:17:25] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [10/57] <label>Type/label<data source="type">/data [05:17:25] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [11/57] <label>Registered voters/label<data source="registered_voters">/data [05:17:25] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [12/57] <label>Turnout/label<data source="turnout">/data [05:17:25] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [13/57] <label>Previous election/label<data source="previous_election">/data [05:17:26] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [14/57] <label>Next election/label<data source="next_election">/data [05:17:26] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [15/57] <group> [05:17:27] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [16/57] <header>Results/header [05:17:27] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [17/57] <label>Winner/label<data source="winner">/data [05:17:28] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [18/57] <label>Party/label<data source="winning_party">/data [05:17:28] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [19/57] <label>Votes/label<data source="winning_votes">/data [05:17:29] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [20/57] <label>Percentage/label<data source="winning_percentage">/data [05:17:29] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [21/57] /group [05:17:30] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [22/57] <group> [05:17:30] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [23/57] <header>Runner-up/header [05:17:31] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [24/57] <label>Runner-up/label<data source="runner_up">/data [05:17:31] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [25/57] <label>Party/label<data source="runnerupparty">/data [05:17:32] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [26/57] <label>Votes/label<data source="runnerupvotes">/data [05:17:32] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [27/57] <label>Percentage/label<data source="runneruppercentage">/data [05:17:33] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [28/57] /group [05:17:33] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [29/57] <label>Summary/label<data source="summary">/data [05:17:34] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [30/57] /infobox [05:17:34] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [31/57] /includeonly [05:17:35] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [32/57] <noinclude> [05:17:35] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [33/57] This is the "Election infobox" template. [05:17:36] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [34/57] It should be called with the following format: [05:17:36] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [35/57] {{Election infobox [05:17:37] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [36/57] |election_name= [05:17:37] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [37/57] |image= [05:17:38] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [38/57] |caption= [05:17:38] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [39/57] |country= [05:17:39] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [40/57] |date= [05:17:39] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [41/57] |type= [05:17:40] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [42/57] |registered_voters= [05:17:40] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [43/57] |turnout= [05:17:41] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [44/57] |previous_election= [05:17:41] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [45/57] |next_election= [05:17:42] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [46/57] |winner= [05:17:42] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [47/57] |winning_party= [05:17:43] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [48/57] |winning_votes= [05:17:43] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [49/57] |winning_percentage= [05:17:44] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [50/57] |runner_up= [05:17:44] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [51/57] |runnerupparty= [05:17:45] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [52/57] |runnerupvotes= [05:17:45] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [53/57] |runneruppercentage= [05:17:46] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [54/57] |summary= [05:17:46] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [55/57] }} [05:17:47] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [56/57] /noinclude [05:17:47] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [57/57] ``` [05:17:48] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> Country as well [05:17:49] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> Country is pretty easy to do [05:17:56] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> It's also the most commonly asked for here [05:18:18] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> well, let's make such infoboxes on dev wiki [05:18:31] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> Let's! [05:18:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> 1 to 1 from Wikipedia? [05:18:36] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> It's the thing like adding a party color below and image via border-bottom [05:18:49] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> Which I've done via table infobox [05:18:51] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> I'll try to tonight [05:18:58] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> if I can [05:19:08] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> I created infobox templates the theme entire pages. [05:19:33] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Background color/images, text color, etc... [05:20:41] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> Much easier than maintaining bespoke styles.css subpages, but the option remains [05:22:16] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to NotAracham#0009> Oh totally. The only reason I moved to Mira was I wanted infobox election for the The Political Process wiki and couldn't get that at Fandom [05:22:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [1/2] I'll need links to original boxes tho lol [05:22:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [2/2] and the outcome most likely will be simpler, as in if there's some fancy Lua looping stuff I won't add it lol [05:23:08] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020> this is the "wikipedia researcher" template [05:23:11] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> well, PI was ported from FANDOM [05:23:15] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020> dont think ive seen worse color contrast in all my life [05:23:26] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> This type of dynamic stuff made me float this idea of creating an extension using vue templating for all mw templates but it might be waaaay overkill lol [05:23:35] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> Ew. Terrible 0/1EGoogol [05:23:59] <MirahezeRelay> <FrozenPlum#2113, replying to Legroom#2748> That's half the battle, people can extend from there [05:24:00] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to ChaoticShadow#2188> Probably. [05:24:06] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to NotAracham#0009> [1/2] My method for styling everything on the page is basically a Themes.css file included through skin CSS. I am pretty sure it is only possible with Cosmos my method. As Cosmos as a way the add body classes with magic words, then can be selected in a single CSS file. You can also select specific infoboxes using the theme parameter with PortableIn [05:24:06] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to NotAracham#0009> [2/2] fobox (this does not require anything but PI). It might work if Cosmos is even enabled, even if not used, but I can't remember. [05:25:15] <MirahezeRelay> <FrozenPlum#2113> Now I'm going to have to bush up on it, to see if/how I can help [05:25:47] <MirahezeRelay> <FrozenPlum#2113> Perfect, I needed something to tinker and learn more about. [05:27:10] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to CosmicAlpha#3274> Fun fact, before I added that support to Cosmos, I still had it done using some JS to select infobox themes based on theme parameter, and ads a body class based on that. But this way was easier. But still possible even without Cosmos for sure. But that gets into a little bit more advanced stuff. [05:27:22] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> Looking forward to testing it out [05:27:24] <MirahezeRelay> <FrozenPlum#2113> Maybe I can go back and search the most common requested infoboxes/help here too and try to make a list. [05:28:10] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> I think 50% of the time it's election, political parties and contests [05:28:44] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> But ChatGPT can also generate some decent PI templates it seems. [05:29:06] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> That's about right. Characters/People are also pretty frequent infobox requests [05:29:53] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> Between those, you've got the overwhelming majority covered [05:30:04] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> the one you just posted seems to be very basic, those WP infoboxes usually have several images, two columns for values (as two sides of election), etc, in short things that would require navigation tag in PO [05:30:28] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> and the usual template coding [05:30:41] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> The one I posted is, but after telling it for a more advanced one, it gives it. [05:30:45] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> You might be able to get away with groups or sections to accomplish similar [05:31:20] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> true [05:31:30] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Also the builder will become more advanced soon also I hope. It will support more things soon. [05:31:48] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> oh that's exciting [05:32:09] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> https://github.com/Universal-Omega/PortableInfobox/issues/50 is the features that I have in-progress working on also. [05:32:27] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> and the Firefox error? [05:32:41] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> I resolved that a while ago. [05:32:51] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> ah, nice [05:32:55] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Loading error is still present though. [05:39:40] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> can you link OG Wikipedia infobox so I won't forget? [05:41:07] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to Legroom#2748> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infoboxelection and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infoboxofficeholder [05:42:07] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> meanwhile now I need to decide if perusing a interactive map is possible on my wiki [05:42:33] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> cuz I don't wanna do table, but sorting out the map template shenanigans on wikipedia is also gruling [05:43:52] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> Interactive maps are a heavy lift. Not impossible, but I'd leave that to after you've got infoboxes sorted. [05:44:31] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> (though other folks may have tips that make it easier than my attempts) [05:44:35] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to NotAracham#0009> I've been using a custom infobox (non-portable) sourced from wikipedia's infobox creation template [05:46:38] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> i.e. I used {{Infobox}} and then set up the fields myself [05:46:38] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox [05:46:39] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox> [05:47:05] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [1/30] ```html [05:47:05] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [2/30] {{Infobox [05:47:06] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [3/30] |above = {{{State|{{PAGENAME}}}}} [05:47:06] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bState [05:47:06] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [4/30] |abovestyle = background:{{{bgcolor|#ccc}}};color:{{{color|#fff}}};text-align:center [05:47:06] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bbgcolor [05:47:06] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [5/30] |image1 = [[File:{{{image1|}}}|300px|center]] [05:47:06] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bimage1 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:%7b%7b%7bimage1 [05:47:06] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [6/30] |header1 = '''Information''' [05:47:07] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [7/30] |headerstyle = background:{{{bgcolor|#ccc}}};color:{{{color|#fff}}};text-align:center [05:47:07] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bbgcolor [05:47:07] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [8/30] |label3 = '''Population''' [05:47:07] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [9/30] |data3 = {{{population|}}} [05:47:07] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bpopulation [05:47:08] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [10/30] |label4 = '''Electoral votes''' [05:47:08] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [11/30] |data4 = {{{electoral_votes|}}} [05:47:08] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7belectoral_votes [05:47:08] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [12/30] |label5 = '''Democratic voters''' [05:47:09] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [13/30] |data5 = {{{democratic_percent|}}} [05:47:09] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bdemocratic_percent [05:47:09] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [14/30] |label6 = '''Republican voters''' [05:47:09] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [15/30] |data6 = {{{republican_percent|}}} [05:47:09] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7brepublican_percent [05:47:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [16/30] |label7 = '''Independent voters''' [05:47:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [17/30] |data7 = {{{independent_percent|}}} [05:47:10] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bindependent_percent [05:47:11] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [18/30] |label8 = '''Poverty rate''' [05:47:11] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [19/30] |data8 = {{{poverty|}}} [05:47:11] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bpoverty [05:47:12] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [20/30] |label9 = '''Counties''' [05:47:12] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [21/30] |data9 = {{{counties|}}} [05:47:12] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bcounties [05:47:13] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [22/30] |label10 = '''State House Districts''' [05:47:13] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [23/30] |data10 = {{{state_house|}}} [05:47:13] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bstate_house [05:47:14] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [24/30] |label11 = '''State Senate Districts''' [05:47:14] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [25/30] |data11 = {{{state_senate|}}} [05:47:14] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bstate_senate [05:47:15] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [26/30] |label12 = '''Congressional delegation''' [05:47:15] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [27/30] |data12 = {{{representatives|}}} [05:47:15] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7brepresentatives [05:47:16] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [28/30] |label13 = '''Senators''' [05:47:16] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [29/30] |data13 = {{nowrap|{{{senate1|}}} (Class {{{class1|}}}) • {{{senate2|}}} (Class {{{class2|}}})}} [05:47:16] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:nowrap [05:47:17] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> [30/30] }}``` [05:47:39] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [1/4] you mean a separate section w/ a map? [05:47:39] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [2/4] it's 100% possible w/ real world map, like here [05:47:40] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [3/4] <https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Tour_history> [05:47:40] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [4/4] but w/ fictional - I don't know [05:49:19] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to Legroom#2748> as an example I have an svg county map of delaware's counties and I want to have options for information view togles - registered voters, poverty rate, maybe a hover icon for specific data, and some pins for cities [05:49:33] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Maybe look at RSW? Not sure how complicated theirs is though [05:49:38] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> ah, that's different yeah [05:50:00] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to ChaoticShadow#2188> RSW meaning? [05:50:13] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Runescape Wiki [05:50:22] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> ah [05:50:38] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> part of me also may just accept making separate maps and having them in a gallery instead [05:50:51] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> which would suck but also be easier to do [05:52:32] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to CosmicAlpha#3274> I just realised this generated 57 messages on IRC.... definitely something that I never tested when making the relay. I didn't think it would work for and number correctly that many messages at once.... [05:52:43] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001, replying to jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> wdym by view toggles, like all are toggleable on the same page or just different stats show on different pages? [05:53:06] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> That kind of interactivity could be done all in JS (rip no-JS people) although not sure how performant it would be [05:53:08] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748, replying to Legroom#2748> off, there are cargo errors [05:53:43] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to ChaoticShadow#2188> something like a switch between layers through a tab [05:54:03] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to ChaoticShadow#2188> true... however that means I gotta go and find out how to incorporate JS with svg and views [05:54:12] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to dorito#0001> Wait your back in this server again? Long time no see! [05:54:14] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> and incorporate that with mira lol [05:54:29] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001, replying to CosmicAlpha#3274> hey yeah i joined again a few days ago lol [05:54:31] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> honestly JS would do that sure, how I get there will probably be a learning curve [05:54:40] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> fund nonetheless [05:54:41] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> You can use html canvas [05:54:57] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> Mira doesn't have JS moderation [05:54:58] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to dorito#0001> Oh hey, I have been kinda MIA for the past few days so just didn't notice. Welcome back then! [05:55:03] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to Legroom#2748> RIP [05:55:12] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> why lol [05:55:39] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> this is one of the main reasons people hate FANDOM [05:55:41] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to ChaoticShadow#2188> hmm gonna have to look into that [05:56:00] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739, replying to Legroom#2748> oh now I confused lmao [05:56:05] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> oh I see what you mean [05:56:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> did not get that at first [05:56:21] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to Legroom#2748> Oh, I think ads is 99.9% of the reason... that and well just that Fandom is Fandom... [05:56:34] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> yep [05:57:32] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001, replying to Legroom#2748> it's certainly a big reason for users who specifically do a lot of JS stuff but for the normal user yeah it's just the ads lol [05:57:33] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> and bad mobile skin [05:57:34] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> They just give off vibes that they don't care about the editors whenever making sitewide changes 🤷‍♂️ [05:57:38] <MirahezeRelay> <jws29095(Dolor Mortis)#2739> eh... honestly until I learn more about JS - and how it interacts with svgs, I'll just have to go the way of gallery images then. [05:59:13] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to dorito#0001> <:this_tbh:1031343034949959811> I created a version of their oasis skin that workes for mobile responsiveness, and they apparently never could and used their horrid skin, both then, and their new one... [06:00:00] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001, replying to CosmicAlpha#3274> you mean cosmos or did you make a new skin? [06:00:05] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Yeah, Cosmos. [06:00:10] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> i remember i remade their fandomdesktop skin with more responsiveness and stuff [06:00:13] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> lost the files for that though [06:00:28] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> I remember that conversation yeah... [06:00:43] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Like over a year ago I think. [06:00:51] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> probably over 2 by now haha [06:01:10] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Lol yeah, that sounds about right. [06:01:14] <MirahezeRelay> <FrozenPlum#2113, replying to CosmicAlpha#3274> One tab open [06:01:16] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> guess not quite that long [06:01:20] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> but yeah its been a while [06:01:34] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> i lost the files after i replaced my hard drive in my laptop for a ssd [06:01:41] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> i technically still have the old hard drive but [06:01:44] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> nothing to read it with anymore [06:02:10] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Yep, I remember when that happened. Could you ever recover it or something...? [06:02:24] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> maybe, or i could just remake it [06:02:30] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> iirc it was only a couple days of work [06:02:42] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> i'm a bit more busy now than i was then though [06:02:48] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188, replying to FrozenPlum#2113> Wow only 29? That's pretty low [06:02:57] <MirahezeRelay> <FrozenPlum#2113> Short page LOL [06:03:30] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to dorito#0001> I remember it took about 1-2 weeks I think from when you announced to me the initial version and when you lost it. [06:03:54] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to FrozenPlum#2113> I usually get up into the hundreds on Fandom. [06:04:36] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> uBlock Origin anyway. [06:04:45] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001, replying to CosmicAlpha#3274> yeah but i didnt work on it after the last revision i showed you [06:04:47] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> so like [06:04:55] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> july 18 - 21 was when i really was doing work on it [06:04:58] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> oh. [06:05:28] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> i never finished the wiki navigation bar under the title [06:05:55] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Anyway been good talking to again, but I'm gonna head off for now, maybe go do something else. [06:06:24] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> yea i gotta head to bed too [06:07:45] <MirahezeRelay> <FrozenPlum#2113> Swapped to uBlock, you're right. 80 on same page. [06:07:49] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> good night [06:11:43] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> Definitely found uBlock to be more comprehensive and prone to fewer issues than ABP, personally. [06:12:55] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> yeah ublock origin is generally the gold standard when it comes to adblockers [06:13:09] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> i like being able to easily block certain elements from websites myself and making my own filters also [06:46:13] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020> i mentioned this before but im not sure if anyone noticed it, on [[Fundraiser]], this graph is broken in firefox, but works in chrome: [06:46:13] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Fundraiser [06:46:14] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Fundraiser> [06:46:34] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020, replying to dorito#0001> privacy badger is good for tracker blocking though it does have some flaws [06:47:26] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020> i'd be okay with not using an ad blocker if the ads weren't so intrusive and annoying, didnt constantly refresh themselves, didnt slow down the page, didnt pop up when you're trying to click something or close them, weren't so privacy invasive, etc. [06:50:23] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020, replying to Colleiflower#2020> i spent some time trying to fix it in a sandbox but i cant figure it out [06:50:29] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020> the other graphs on the page work [06:56:37] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748, replying to Colleiflower#2020> imagine of be 50px jpeg's [06:57:06] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> they still would be annoying tho [06:59:29] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020> https://ambr.top has done a good job with mostly acceptable ads, the only issue is that while they're only displaying one small ad per character page (and excluding the home page), they load like 20 different advertising networks [07:09:12] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> hell nah [07:10:05] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> I recently decided to check the cookies agreement on FANDOM (logged out, clean browser), and oh man [07:10:19] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> that's so fucking much shit [07:10:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> and it seems like allowing only necessary still enables half of the networks [07:11:01] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020, replying to Colleiflower#2020> this is what it looks like [07:11:05] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020, replying to Legroom#2748> thats pretty stupid [07:11:08] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020> fandom is annoying [07:13:22] <MirahezeRelay> <Colleiflower#2020> alright i need to sleep [07:26:47] <MirahezeRelay> <Gautier#3406, replying to CosmicAlpha#3274> The worst thing is that they could have a clean version of FandomDesktop for mobile with the ResponsiveMobile script, but their ego is too big to stoop to using a their egos are too big to accept that some volunteer developers do much better than those they pay [08:50:12] <MirahezeRelay> <Ugochimobi#7829, replying to BWM#6978> Try to provide links to where next time. [08:50:49] <MirahezeRelay> <Ugochimobi#7829> Some users don't know what discord is or where the CN is located. 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[08:55:21] <MirahezeRelay> <sea monke🦷#3663, replying to paladox#8823> 🤓 [08:55:51] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Good thing we had everyone ping permissions right... [08:56:45] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox#8823> Thanks [08:57:07] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox#8823, replying to sea monke🦷#3663> ? [08:57:43] <MirahezeRelay> <sea monke🦷#3663> @Administrators @Meta-Wiki Administrators @Global Interwiki Administrators [08:58:10] <MirahezeRelay> <Ugochimobi#7829> this is a spammer [08:58:11] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Banned. [08:58:17] <MirahezeRelay> <Ugochimobi#7829> thank you. [08:58:18] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Again. [08:58:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Ugochimobi#7829> yep [08:58:35] <MirahezeRelay> <Ugochimobi#7829> this time, almost all channels [08:58:41] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> I was watching them. I knew they were going to try something. [08:58:50] <MirahezeRelay> <Ugochimobi#7829> lol [08:59:00] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> just a couple minutes off, o well [09:01:55] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> aw shucks I missed [09:02:46] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> A spammer that had two accounts here. And spammed role pings, and tried to spam everyone pings. Didn't miss much. [09:03:57] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> welp it's 3AM, I should be going, but I haven't been able to sleep like at all lately... Not before 5AM for the past week... [09:04:18] <MirahezeRelay> <MrJaroslavik#8412> I think i am Meta Admin too. Can i get role please? [09:04:32] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> is done [09:04:44] <MirahezeRelay> <MrJaroslavik#8412> Thanks. [09:04:58] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274, replying to raidarr#6550> Beat me by less than a second lol [09:05:05] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> I figured it was a race :p\ [09:06:25] <MirahezeRelay> <CosmicAlpha#3274> Feel free to ping if anything happens. I'll probably be up for a while longer. [09:09:08] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> I'll be around for ~30 to 40 minutes currently [09:09:42] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> Still awake too :p [09:09:50] <MirahezeRelay> <dorito#0001> Said I was gonna go to bed 3 hours ago <a:gone:859223760811851776> [11:02:06] <MirahezeRelay> <Canary21#0867> when editing the caption of an image I uploaded I noticed the warning "do not post copyrighted work without permission", is a google earth screenshot copyrighted? [11:02:27] <MirahezeRelay> <Canary21#0867> if it is then i'll delete it and wait until I've drawn my own map of the place [11:02:52] <MirahezeRelay> <Canary21#0867> i mean- [11:03:37] <MirahezeRelay> <Tali64#9984> The "don't post coyrighted works without permission" message is part of a system message that appears in the editing interface [11:03:53] <MirahezeRelay> <Tali64#9984> It applies to any form of copyrighted work [11:04:03] <MirahezeRelay> <Canary21#0867, replying to Tali64#9984> is google earth copyrighted? [11:04:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Canary21#0867> this is the image in question, I drew the borders myself but the background image is still google earth [11:05:28] <MirahezeRelay> <Canary21#0867> I planned to upload 2 more images containing google earth background so I want to make sure I'm not breaking any rules [11:10:13] <MirahezeRelay> <Tali64#9984> As long as you follow Google's ToS, you can use Google Earth screenshots [11:14:53] <MirahezeRelay> <Canary21#0867> oh, alright. [11:15:28] <MirahezeRelay> <Canary21#0867> Do I need to attribute in the file description (at the file:NameHere.example page) or on the article itself? [12:07:57] <MirahezeRelay> <Tali64#9984, replying to Canary21#0867> In the file description [12:09:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Canary21#0867> Ok thx [14:48:14] <MirahezeRelay> <Seneram#1337> @Orduin What happened with our Colo discussion thread? [14:50:34] <MirahezeRelay> <OatCookies#2213> Goodnight! [15:38:07] <MirahezeRelay> <BWM#6978> why was i pinged 6 times [15:38:22] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648, replying to BWM#6978> Spambot [15:38:34] <MirahezeRelay> <BWM#6978, replying to RhinosF1#3648> ah got it [15:40:06] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> They seem to like rearing their heads when I'm fully asleep. Thanks to the late-night crew for crushing those goofballs. [17:48:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> Meta main page broke [17:52:59] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> my stuff from templates.miraheze was abolished 😢 [18:08:50] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> do I need to abide by copywrite rules on my private wiki? [18:09:24] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> it's just for me and my mates but it still asks me to confirm I'm abiding by fair use etc everytime i upload media [18:20:22] <MirahezeRelay> <max20091#7318, replying to Nandos#8554> As long as the copyright holder doesn't know about it, you don't need to abide [18:20:33] <MirahezeRelay> <max20091#7318> Quite similar to piracy [18:21:13] <MirahezeRelay> <Zppix#4139, replying to Nandos#8554> Copyright should always be followed [18:21:29] <MirahezeRelay> <Zppix#4139, replying to max20091#7318> That is bad advice, wikis have been shutdown before for copyright violations [18:24:26] <MirahezeRelay> <max20091#7318, replying to Zppix#4139> [1/2] (Well, I mean it technically works) [18:24:27] <MirahezeRelay> <max20091#7318, replying to Zppix#4139> [2/2] I would suggest to abide btw, but even then, it's up to the copyright holder's right to use [18:26:30] <MirahezeRelay> <max20091#7318> US and UK law do have certain laws that prevent copyright holder to instant shutdown anything they don't like [18:27:42] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432, replying to Nandos#8554> this is built into miraheze [18:27:54] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432, replying to Nandos#8554> i do not believe the DMCA and similar laws apply to non-public URLs [18:28:00] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> anyway [18:28:06] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> i know Collei on matrix [18:28:29] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> their discord has been disabled for being underage [18:28:33] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> they are not underage [18:28:40] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> they asked me to help inform miraheze [18:30:10] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554, replying to Zppix#4139> it's just kind of a pain setting up the copyright stuff for everything when this is just for my mates and I [18:30:24] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554, replying to smileoflove#4432> ah [18:30:29] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> cheers [18:30:37] <MirahezeRelay> <max20091#7318, replying to Nandos#8554> Setup fair dealing is fairly simple [18:30:49] <MirahezeRelay> <max20091#7318> No black magic required [18:31:16] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> if I find an image on google images for example I have to reverse search it find author etc etc [18:31:28] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> tbh I don't believe too something will happen w/ private wiki but you can set default template for fair use and pick in file upload for, in dropdown [18:31:29] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432, replying to Nandos#8554> dont use google images to find images [18:31:50] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554, replying to Legroom#2748> how do I do this? [18:32:02] <MirahezeRelay> <max20091#7318, replying to Nandos#8554> Nope, you don't even need to do that, but having a source is better [18:32:36] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> google used to be better w/ images 😦 [18:33:27] <MirahezeRelay> <max20091#7318> Their search functionality is downgraded so bad now it mostly contain trash/phising sites [18:33:41] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> use duckduckgo [18:33:47] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> cheers, willdo [18:35:07] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748, replying to smileoflove#4432> [1/2] well he didn't have to post all those details on CN methinks [18:35:07] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748, replying to smileoflove#4432> [2/2] but rip [18:37:34] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748, replying to Nandos#8554> do you see dropdown bar under description field? [18:43:33] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [1/10] go to `MediaWiki:Licenses` - it will define that dropdown menu and what to put inside [18:43:33] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [2/10] for example code from my wiki [18:43:33] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [3/10] `* Unknown|I don't know [18:43:33] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [4/10] * Permission|Author/copyright holder gave me permission to use it [18:43:34] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [5/10] * Self|It's my own work [18:43:34] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [6/10] * Fairuse|Using under Fair Use [18:43:34] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [7/10] * PD|It's in the Public Domain [18:43:35] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [8/10] * CCBYSA|It's under CC-BY-SA licenses [18:43:35] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [9/10] * Wikimedia|It's from Wikimedia` [18:43:35] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [10/10] btw you can use images w/ free license or in public domain from <creativecommons.org>, Wikimedia Commons or Miraheze Commons (and last two can be enabled on wiki and won't require file upload) [18:46:42] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [1/2] next step is to create template which will show text for license [18:46:42] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [2/2] you can go w/ just text, or simple table, don't have to be fancy, especially if your wiki private [18:47:14] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> code above uses names of corresponding templates [18:48:44] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [1/4] for example `Temaplte:Fairuse` can go like this: [18:48:44] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [2/4] Fair Dealing [18:48:44] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [3/4] This image is copyrighted. [18:48:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [4/4] It will be used in a way that qualifies as fair dealing (UK) or fair use (US) under copyright laws. [19:33:02] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> @smileoflove: We have volunteers who are fairly close with Discord T&S, please instruct them not to do something stupid in here. Ban evading counts as stupid. [19:42:33] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> any way to remove this stuff from the bottom of the page? [19:42:43] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> at least for people without perms [19:43:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> mainly the "categories" thing [19:45:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> also shit is not centered, is there a way to center this footer? citizen skin [19:49:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748, replying to Nandos#8554> which stuff [19:51:52] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> copyright, last modified, categories [19:52:02] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> I couldnt find which extensions might be showing them [19:52:13] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> (apologies for the stupid questions this is my first wiki) [19:52:55] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [1/2] these are not extension but core parts of MediaWiki [19:52:56] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [2/2] you can hide them via CSS [19:53:05] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> what css codes can hide those? [19:53:24] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> I do wanna keep the hosted by miraheze etc stuff tho [20:00:09] <MirahezeRelay> <Fiddlestix#9401, replying to max20091#7318> follow copyright rules, better than dealing with deleting 100 pages because someone asks you to :p [20:00:16] <MirahezeRelay> <Fiddlestix#9401> or your wiki getting shutdown [20:00:26] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> yeah willdo [20:01:04] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [1/6] you can pin point classes/id's with your browser's element inspector, it's always handy w/ CSS modification [20:01:05] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [2/6] I believe you should give element `display: none` rule [20:01:05] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [3/6] for example [20:01:05] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [4/6] `#footer-info: { display: none; }` [20:01:06] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [5/6] bear in mind tho, that some elements could be specific for Citizen [20:01:06] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [6/6] if something doesn't work w/ [20:01:20] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> 100%. Better to have a little short-term pain than hauling butt to attribute 100 to 1k files. [20:02:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> did the licenses instruction worked for you tho? [20:03:03] <MirahezeRelay> <Nandos#8554> yeah it did thank yo [20:06:54] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> lol abuse filter on dev wiki didn't allow me to rename template [20:07:11] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> template which I created [20:07:46] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> anyway, I started a PI infobox for officeholder, it's very raw atm, now I gotta go sleep [20:15:21] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> [1/2] [[mh:backrooms:TB:Content Policy]] [20:15:21] <wm-bot> https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/backrooms:TB:Content_Policy [20:15:21] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> [2/2] Is this a good content policy? [20:15:22] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://backrooms.miraheze.org/wiki/TB:Content_Policy> [20:16:37] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> @!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no, under 13s are banned by the ToU and you can't enforce country-wide bans [20:16:50] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> that would require collection of user PII [20:16:59] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> to do so would need @Trust and Safety consent [20:17:15] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> fix'd it [20:17:39] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> who they wanted to ban lol [20:18:27] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> @!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what were your legal reasons [20:18:30] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> feel free to DM [20:18:38] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050, replying to RhinosF1#3648> 🤷 [20:19:03] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> south korea has a very strict age restriction policy and formosa might result in some issues with people [20:19:37] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> https://tenor.com/view/cccp-flag-wave-star-logo-gif-16196191 [20:19:39] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> you know [20:19:40] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> them [20:19:49] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> that's North [20:19:51] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> @Trust and Safety / @Board Members: can we get some advice? [20:20:08] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050, replying to Legroom#2748> nope [20:20:19] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> south korea cares a lot about age restriction [20:20:25] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> @!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can we please use the proper name? [20:20:50] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> and I don't see how a wiki that might trigger disputes over Taiwan can comply with policy [20:21:06] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> South Korean law on age isn't a matter for you to enforce [20:21:12] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050, replying to RhinosF1#3648> yeah [20:21:16] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> i removed that part [20:21:26] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> should be good now [20:21:33] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> should i delete the past revisions? [20:22:48] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> i saw [20:22:51] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> i'm glad [20:23:02] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> please explain the issue with Taiwan [20:23:10] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> Taiwan matters mostly triggers China tho 🤔 [20:23:34] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> and Miraheze is banned in China, I think [20:23:35] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> [1/2] https://backrooms.miraheze.org/wiki/TheBackrooms:TheBackroomsWikiis_not [20:23:35] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> [2/2] also this [20:25:05] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> right [20:26:03] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> also tiktok is blocked in china [20:26:13] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> eh [20:26:23] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> tiktok is chinese spyware [20:28:07] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> anyway, I don't think you have to block any country by yourself, if those age restriction matters bother you so much just put a dismissable notice and specify in disclaimer (link visible on any page) [20:28:15] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> mh isn't blocked in china bw [20:28:33] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> all Chinese users have to use VPN to access it [20:29:27] <MirahezeRelay> <Owen#9698, replying to RhinosF1#3648> Hm? [20:29:34] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> once in a while we get here requests to create accounts because VPN/proxy IPs are blocked on Miraheze from anonymous editing and account creations [20:30:14] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648, replying to Owen#9698> Wikis trying to enforce country-level bans [20:30:49] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> It’s been removed but it seems very unethical and a wiki that has to do to avoid conflict seems incompatible with us [20:31:26] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> i don't think i would need to [20:31:30] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> i was just concerned [20:31:36] <MirahezeRelay> <Owen#9698, replying to RhinosF1#3648> We don't have the obligation to do that, but if people wish to make their wiki comply with other laws, as long as it doesn't conflict with UK law - they take responsibility for it [20:32:57] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> @!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t think you do and if you see a need in future, please discuss it with Stewards or T&S who will advise [20:33:09] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> Because anything where you’re collecting PII is not okay [20:33:47] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648> @Legroom reports have been very inconsistent [20:42:12] <Guest89> This is Collei, I'm on mobile so I can't access KeePass for my IRC password right now. As explained on the CN, my Discord got banned inexplicably. I just want to point out that on Fundraiser/Ads, the spacing between elements is screwed up. I can't use DevTools on mobile, so I'm having trouble debugging. [20:44:42] <Guest89> Well, it's only screwed up on mobile, but like 60% of people on the web use mobile. [20:46:06] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> Thanks for visiting, Collei. The fundraiser/ads page is very temporary, but thanks for the report [20:46:26] <Guest89> Got it, makes sense. [20:48:38] <RhinosF1> Guest89: we’ve seen the comments about your discord ban [20:48:59] <RhinosF1> I would note that you must not evade it. We have close contact with T&S. [20:48:59] <Guest89> Got it [20:49:12] <Guest89> Okay, makes sense [20:56:48] <Guest89> I still have my alt on Discord (I made it a very long time ago), but I won't use it. I'll see what I can do to get unbanned. I feel that they don't actually think I'm underage, but they found that I deliberately helped underage users avoid getting banned and that I've lied about my age for various reasons to them before. This is further evidenced [20:56:49] <Guest89> by the ban occurring at the very same time that I got a warning email for sexualizing minors (???), which I'm guessing it either refers to (1) lying about my age, or (2) making explicit comments about teenage Genshin Impact characters. I don't find (2) so unacceptable given that I'm 14, but the Discord community guidelines do say "including [20:56:49] <Guest89> consensual interactions between other teenagers" or something, so that could be it. [20:57:56] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> I mean, especially with the fact you make a public thing of it, that's probably enough to sustain an account termination [20:58:09] <Guest89> Probably [20:58:24] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> 2 sounds rather a lot like something that would get you an email on that subject, 1 not really [20:58:43] <Guest89> Yea fair [21:06:47] <Guest89> The only place I've posted content mentioned in (2) is in DMs and in a private channel in the Grasscutters Discord server (Grasscutters is a tool to emulate Genshin Impact's server so that you can test any playable characters). I never mentioned it publicly until the ban. [21:07:18] <Guest89> Tho there must be something I wasn't thinking of [21:08:59] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> can we have that convo in off topic tho? [21:09:10] <RhinosF1> can we maybe not [21:09:16] <RhinosF1> it could just stop [21:09:17] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> regarding discord bans [21:09:23] <Guest89> Yeah I'll leave it there [21:09:25] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> or that, alright [21:09:53] <Guest89> Probably shouldn't have got into detail on rhat as it likely would make some people uncomfortable, my bad. [21:10:33] <Guest89> Alright, gotta go. Cya all later. [21:10:40] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> gl [21:42:02] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> crisis averted [21:46:20] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432, replying to RhinosF1#3648> understood [21:56:59] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432, replying to !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> no [21:57:08] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> normal tiktok is blocked in china [21:57:14] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> chinese tiktok is allowed [21:57:34] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> tiktok is not a chinese company exclusively, it is a global company, with a significant share held by a chinese company [21:58:04] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> thats why there's one version thats in most of the non-chinese country and then another one for china [21:59:08] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> tiktok[.]com/search?q=taiwan - to emphasize, the word taiwan has to be censored by most chinese IT companies, but it is not censored on tiktok [21:59:18] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> huh im not allowed to post links for some reason [21:59:28] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> or maybe its some word i included in that message [21:59:52] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> you need to verify to post links [21:59:54] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> just type /auth [22:00:05] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> i do not have a miraheze account [22:00:13] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> maybe i will make one some day [22:00:28] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> anyway good bye now, i posted what i need to [22:00:35] <MirahezeRelay> <smileoflove#4432> you all seem like good people, have a good day [22:00:39] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> bye [22:00:51] <MirahezeRelay> <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#7050> but why did you join if you don't have an mh account? [22:11:00] <MirahezeRelay> <Gummiel#0001> huh, and they actually left the server entirely? xD [22:12:43] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> 🤷 [22:13:07] <MirahezeRelay> <NotAracham#0009> Nice of them to stop by. [22:25:57] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> indeed [23:11:49] <MirahezeRelay> <Fiddlestix#9401> what does the community board do? [23:12:35] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> same as the rest of the board only it's elected and from time to time re elected [23:13:31] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> representing the direct input of the community as compared to the inputs that are appointed by members of the existing board or the technical member representing technical/sre interests [23:14:26] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> the board is representative as a whole but the exact title as you see has little nuances in what it implies aside from just how they're appointed [23:18:22] <MirahezeRelay> <Fiddlestix#9401> alright [23:18:23] <MirahezeRelay> <Fiddlestix#9401> thanks