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[00:05:09] [6/8] [[File:Image2.png|100px]] [00:05:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Image2.png [00:05:10] [7/8] /div [00:05:10] [8/8] /div``` should work i think [00:05:42] huh, nice thanks [00:08:32] you'll want to put it all on one line, if you paste it exactly like that it will not line up right [00:08:38] cause mediawiki will add

tags that have margins when parsing [00:09:20] yeah i knew that since ive dealt with issues like that before and learnt this [00:35:28] huh [00:35:35] uncyclopedia uses a forum extension [00:35:46] probably should warn them [00:36:53] it was WikiForum. [00:48:04] They use DPLForum so they should be fine [01:12:00] Dnpqcoxld [01:12:02] XX [01:37:40] Figured I might as well try my hand at the infobox "guide", hopefully not much bias towards lua :p https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:ChaoticShadow/Infobox [01:42:15] any guide that mentions import is well served mentioning the sanitized import mentioned on the last pin of this channel, which is actually designed for external use [01:46:10] Not quite sure I follow, cuz I don't see a pin like that [01:47:21] ^ [01:52:15] Oh I thought I included that already [01:53:18] Ah darn I forgot MF collapsed h2 so the wp import shows up, probably should hide that under advanced section or soldering [04:19:53] [1/3] Hi everyone, [04:19:54] [2/3] Thanks to @dorito we should soon be able to make wiki tags available as a complement to categories. Tags should not be as broad as categories but must also not be too specific/niche. The idea is that these tags will make it easier to identify wikis with similar topics. There will be 5 tags maximum per wiki. [04:19:54] [3/3] Please feel free to suggest tag ideas in the thread above! [04:31:09] So for fun i put my name into google’s ai [04:31:15] [1/3] “Zppix is a very active and experienced user on Miraheze. They have been a member of the community for over 6 years and have contributed to many projects, including the Public Test Wiki, the Meta Administrator team, and the autopatrolled team. They are also a volunteer developer for both Miraheze and Wikimedia. [04:31:15] [2/3] I think Zppix is a valuable asset to the Miraheze community. They are always willing to help out new users and they are always looking for ways to improve the wiki. They are also a very knowledgeable and experienced user, which makes them a great resource for anyone who has questions about Miraheze. [04:31:16] [3/3] Overall, I think Zppix is a great addition to the Miraheze community. They are a valuable asset and I am grateful for their contributions.” [04:32:03] <:StrongestSupportMH:945088423469916160> [04:32:04] I would disagree /:p [04:32:08] jk [04:35:16] `As of this writing, BrandonWM has made no contributions to Miraheze Meta.` [04:35:20] per Bard [04:35:24] 😦 [04:35:58] @Reception123 man bard likes you [04:35:59] [1/2] Reception123 is a very valuable member of the Miraheze community. He is a System Administrator (the Engineering Manager for MediaWiki), a Steward, a Wiki Creator and a Meta administrator. He usually helps with creating wikis, different feature requests, and other maintenance related stuff. He is also a (co-founding) Consul at Public Test Wiki. [04:36:00] [2/2] Reception123 is a very knowledgeable and helpful person who is always willing to help others. He is also very patient and understanding, even when dealing with difficult situations. I am very grateful for his contributions to Miraheze and I am lucky to have him as a colleague. [04:36:35] bard is lucky to have him as a colleague? [04:36:39] I guess [04:36:47] Reception is an AI confirmed [04:37:06] haha <:DoneMH:775407710400675940> Recaptcha passed [04:39:48] [1/3] "Agent Isai is a Community Engagement Specialist and Steward at Miraheze. He is also an Interwiki administrator, Meta Administrator, Wiki creator along with a number of other roles on Miraheze. He is a native speaker of both English and Spanish, and also speaks a bit of French. He practices badminton, tennis, and volleyball, and enjoys challenging his friends to matches in these g [04:39:48] [2/3] ames. He is currently enrolled in college, majoring in Computer Science. He has always loved computers and has managed Linux servers since he was young, all of this culminated in him picking CS as his major. [04:39:49] [3/3] Agent Isai is a very helpful and active member of the Miraheze community. He is always willing to help out with any tasks that need to be done, and he is always available to answer questions. He is a valuable asset to the Miraheze community, and he is always willing to go the extra mile to help out." [04:39:52] I'm quite the asset it seems! [04:40:30] Who at google do you have on the payroll 😂 [04:40:34] why am I not on here...... [04:40:38] 😢 [04:40:53] Depends on what data is within the model [04:41:09] it thought i was some random page on Amazing YouTubers Wiki [04:41:32] Did you use to go by an old username? [04:41:39] oh yeah hold up [04:42:48] [1/4] ``` [04:42:48] [2/4] Query: Who is BrandonWM on Miraheze? [04:42:48] [3/4] Answer: As of this writing, there is no user registered as BrandonWM on Miraheze. I have searched all the wikis and user pages, and there is no user with that username. [04:42:48] [4/4] ``` [04:42:51] [1/3] > Are Stewards oligarchs? [04:42:51] [2/3] View other drafts [04:42:52] [3/3] No, Stewards are not oligarchs. Oligarchy is a form of government in which a small number of people have power over the majority. Stewards are elected by the community, and they are accountable to the community. They do not have power over the majority of users, and they do not have the power to make decisions that affect the community without the consent of the community. [04:42:57] tried that for my old username as well, no dice [04:43:32] we should replace stewards with Google since it knows so much /:p [04:43:46] wow I quite like Bard so far [04:43:56] I asked something interesting to bard ill dm you [04:48:23] Yay my music distro finally put my song on youtube! https://youtu.be/NMJc8WCqq-Q [04:48:48] lobster font [05:08:59] oh dear, I only now saw that "Miraheze" is transliterated on wiki request page [05:10:08] I think it's better to be left in latin [05:10:57] because second half of the word already sounds funny if you're Slav lang speaker [06:21:41] Hi there [09:19:58] hello, how would i go about importng infobox country from wikipedia? [09:39:19] How to write a little script to? [09:40:34] I don't recommend to import templates from Wikipedia, this is a dark road full of caveats @ guest95 [09:52:47] better check PortableInfobox extension and build at least basic thing w/ it [09:53:08] there will be Special:InfoboxBuilder page for that [09:56:19] ok thamks [09:56:24] thanks* [10:09:04] ah yes, I thought you were invaluable to the autopatrolled team from the start [10:09:25] in any case I'm probably too new or obscure for bard to have much for me [10:10:22] especially if it follows the rough 2021 cutoff rule other bots do [11:35:02] waits for Bard to be accessible in Europe [13:06:09] hmm, security engineers are needed 👀 [13:13:15] hmm, whats the difference between MWE and a MediaWiki SRE? [13:15:03] Which SRE? [13:15:23] There's two meaning for SRE, Site Reliability Engineering and Site Reliability Engineers [13:15:46] and also two for MWE, MediaWiki Engineering and MediaWiki Engineers lol [13:16:33] Site Reliability Engineers and MediaWiki Engineers [13:18:35] heres the graph of wikis created. its only 5000 of the ~6000 wikis because the api has a limit [13:18:51] i think itd be more interesting to see active wikis, but i need closed dates for that [13:18:59] ill probably make another task [13:32:22] A MediaWiki Engineering Site Reliability Engineer isn't too different from an Infrastructure SRE, just that their scope is different but they have full root access to all servers [13:32:44] A MediaWiki Engineer only has access to MediaWiki servers and doesn't have root access so they can't do root level things [13:33:03] That looks so cool, thanks of the nifty chart! [13:49:14] it does make me wonder what the average lifespan of a wiki is [13:49:50] whatever the minimum is for them to be deleted after creation for inactivity, give or take a few weeks to be honest [13:50:09] I'd say over half never really get off the ground [13:51:05] is closed date the best for visualizing active wikis [13:51:09] or deleted date, or something else [13:51:38] closed is where you can probably call it for the wiki's activity/lifespan [13:51:56] though a good number are more difficult to pin down as they are strung along by micro edits/incidents despite not advancing [13:52:14] ok cool [13:52:36] at least it shows they arent completely abandoned [13:52:39] a not-zero but imo fairly negligible number do recurringly reopen wikis [13:53:00] among them it's a tossup if those reopenings represent life or just 'keeping the lights on' [13:53:33] I think it depends where you set the bar for abandonment: there is a wide gap between wikis being straight up deleted and wikis which are strung along and 'effectively' abandoned by serious editing efforts [13:54:06] true, i dont know if theres a way to search by the second option though [13:54:10] some wikis I recall are propped up simply because they get spammed or vandalized before closure [13:54:17] yes, it is difficult to track with those factors in mind [13:54:45] going simply by 'has it been closed' and taking that data for what it is would be easier and a balanced compromise [13:55:07] yeah sounds good [13:55:19] i requested that closed date be added to the wikidiscover api [13:55:32] that would be interesting [13:55:44] it might not be too tricky to bundle 'set inactive date' if that happens [13:56:05] what does inactive represent [13:56:25] at least 45 but not past 60 days without contributions [13:57:38] oh ok, that might not be best for "active" wikis because some of them are read by lots of people but arent updated much [13:57:45] but would also be interesting to visualize [13:59:43] yeah, it's definitely not very perky if it's gotten to the 'inactive' flag [14:00:38] it's minor but worth noting that a majority of wikis under dormancy exemption by proxy aren't very active [14:01:19] is dormancy by proxy when it stays open despite no edits so that people can read the wiki? [14:01:56] i might need to do that for mine since people visit for the info, but dont really edit much [14:02:15] the dormancy exemption is a manually approved exemption from the usual inactivity/closure process by merit, which is usually 'the content is fairly complete and has an audience' [14:02:35] or 'content is edited seasonally' [14:02:42] gotcha [14:03:22] If your wiki had a substantial amount of content then it probably qualifies for an exemption [14:03:49] i get about 700 visitors a month, but almost no edits [14:04:00] id say its substantial [14:04:02] sounds like a prime candidate [14:04:09] 'wiki is read by people' and substantial material = valid exemption [14:04:23] cool. is that like a phabricator task? [14:04:41] it could probably be handled right now but otherwise just needs to be done on the stewards' noticeboard [14:04:45] ^ [14:04:58] in the restricted settings section of the [[SN]] [14:04:58] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SN [14:04:59] [14:05:08] ok, will add, thanks [14:15:21] nice, if i were to try to see if I could volunteer in one of those positions, which one should it be? [14:19:04] Goodnight! [14:19:20] mwe is probably more practical [14:19:49] though before then it might be good to work into it, ie, starting by adding fixes and whatnot in the vein of mwe so the skills for it are demonstrated [14:20:19] not to mention helping you see if that sort of thing is to your taste before the formality of joining sre [14:22:36] MediaWiki Engineer as Site Reliability Engineer is a very senior position due to the fact it has full root on all servers [14:23:58] im curious since server costs are getting high, is there a reason the servers have to be in the UK? is there not cheaper hosting in other countries? [14:25:50] a majority of core volunteers and the legal entity itself are based in the uk [14:26:19] if nothing else, not having it in other countries allows true physical access and a degree of trust by being 'natively' hosted that you wouldn't get with cheaper hosting in other or obscure countries [14:26:48] Yeah, it has to do with collocation. By owning our own hardware, we're doing stuff much more cheaply than if we used a cloud service [14:27:02] but for collocation to work, someone with physical access has to live near the data center [14:27:29] oh i thought it was cloud. so it literally is cheapest in uk then [14:27:41] yep [14:27:44] gotcha [14:28:15] since you own the hardware, what does the cost actually go to [14:28:45] like how much of the cost can miraheze "own" and do on its own instead [14:28:55] having the servers be at the datacenter is the cost [14:29:16] i imagine [14:29:39] how hard is it to make your own datacenter in your bedroom lol [14:29:46] bruh [14:30:00] lol i have no idea what it entails [14:30:13] "sorry guys, I tripped over the cable, no Miraheze for today lol sorry" [14:30:25] haha [14:30:32] i mean like a cheap office maybe [14:30:36] Datacenters have redundant electricity and internet access [14:30:42] you're not getting that at home [14:31:20] ok so paying for good reliability and support i guess [14:31:24] basically [14:31:48] a server in your basement is an arrangement I live the experience of on other websites; with a competent operator it is cheap, yet not especially reliable and subject to critical issues in accountability [14:32:06] like does even wikimedia use third party datacenters, or do they own their own? [14:32:22] wikimedia swims in more than enough money to live on industry grade servers [14:32:31] i figured [14:32:54] I'm not sure exactly how they operate them but since they have a full company it's either a bare metal vps or they do have their own hardware [14:33:45] even for a big entity third party space is attractive because it offloads the expectation of uptime, hardware maintenance, advanced redundancy and other benefits to a company where that is their job day in and day out [14:34:17] serverchoice is quite reputable despite us having a practical example of someone from there screwing up, but that's the sort of thing that can happen at any scale really [14:34:29] ok that makes sense [15:00:30] I think they have their own hardware because they have RAID failures weekly and I've seen tickets on phab where they've had to contact the manufacturers for new parts. [15:00:57] I wonder what the case with Fandom is. [15:01:21] good quesiton [15:02:03] More than likely they have their own because they've borrowed WMF server resources before. [15:02:12] Not to say they couldn't do so with a VPS but seems unlikely. [15:02:44] local control is perfectly viable [15:03:04] just means fandom is putting more resources directly in setting up, equipping, maintaining [15:16:36] [1/3] hello fellow mirahezers, here's your daily session of "stupid things fandom has" [15:16:36] [2/3] according to documentation of usertags, content-moderator should be... content-moderator [15:16:37] [3/3] however, fandom has it defined in a way where it causes the content-moderator usertags defines to not work! this might be a side effect of UCP or whatever, but i have went thru testing and found out that using content-moderator in usertags doesnt work! [18:10:15] 3rd party [18:11:00] Equinx & Cyrus One are the main two [18:11:04] Eqiad & codfw [18:12:06] Esams is EvoSwitch, Ulsfo is United Layer, Eqsin is also Equinx, Drmrs is Digital Realty [18:12:18] The last 3 letters are the nearest airport [18:12:34] I believe one of the US ones isn’t technically the nearest but nearest major [18:12:44] Same with SCSVG but train station [18:12:56] ServerChoice & the nearest train station is Stevenage [18:13:03] That’s how Miraheze did the name [22:18:53] Hey, my friends and I are very new to the mediawiki/miraheze formats. We're trying to figure out how to set user permissions and promote users to bureaucrat, but it feels like it's an endless rabbit hole no matter what I try to look up lol. Anyone care to offer some help? [22:19:31] Special:UserRights [22:20:08] note that bureaucrat gives total technical access and could be a bit heavy unless the people you want to add are trusted enough to essentially be your equals in operating the wiki [22:20:21] This is intended yes [22:20:47] that will do it then, add to bureaucrat and administrator since the two roles together give that control and both have nuanced differences [22:21:14] the main highlight being, do not play with bureaucrat lightly if you decide to alter permissions through Special:ManageWiki/permissions [22:21:16] Thanks, it's so hard to figure out how to get started with wikis lol [22:21:33] Fandom was supremely unhelpful so I'm glad people are more willing to assist here [22:21:35] using a near-raw installation like we have here can be daunting if you lack background [22:21:49] fandom does hold your hand somewhat, if only because well, its options tend to be far more limited anyway [22:21:56] Good thing that is the exact problem we have lol [22:22:34] in this case it may be good to familiarize with [[ManageWiki]] since that's the main config tool, but the UserRights page above is how you actually put people into groups [22:22:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/ManageWiki [22:22:34] [22:22:45] there's other pages to know but those will probably come up as you need them [22:23:20] Yeah, I have a feeling I'll be back here pretty often to keep asking questions [22:23:34] by all means [22:25:14] how do I add myself to [[Tech:SRE Volunteers/Chart]] without breaking the chart? [22:25:14] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:SRE_Volunteers/Chart [22:28:03] You're now added to the chart [22:28:07] thanks [22:41:28] How do you get AutoWikiBrowser working on MH I cant get it to accept the URL on "project" [22:42:22] Invalid URI: The hostname could not be parsed. [22:54:12] change meta with your wiki url, and make sure to include the `w` at the end [22:56:17] IT worked, TYSM [23:09:56] @dorito How do I mass make pages with AWB? [23:10:38] Ah, worked it out