[00:00:03] @raidarr you available for a quick sec? [00:16:05] My personal experiences with giving others bureaucrat access has always eventually backfired on me. (At least on the topic of granting it.) [00:17:00] It's probably given me PTSD in a limited way and that's why I don't like giving it out much at all [00:17:53] Like sorry I don't mean to be selfish, but yeab. [00:21:05] aroundish [00:21:16] it's good to hand it out conservatively [00:21:34] Yeah, more like almost never with me. [00:21:46] @Hypercane What happened# [00:22:06] Just talking about past events regarding promoting bureaucrat was all. [00:30:52] Bureaucrat status once given locally is hard to remove unless the other party is willing [00:31:50] Hey, so I was taking a look at some wiki's MediaWiki:Common.css to get an idea for formatting. Is there a page that goes into detail about all these members and where they're used? [00:33:15] ah okay [00:33:20] see DMs if you can [00:34:28] yup….oh and now I gotta deal with something on AN… [00:34:46] interesting [01:13:31] Good evening. [01:13:33] hey, so someone tried to create an acct on my wiki and it said insecure site [01:16:10] sometimes browsers try to go to http://*.miraheze.org and since the webserver responds and tries to redirect them to the https version, browsers explode and day "insecure site" [01:16:19] If they press continue, they should arrive at the https version [01:16:32] pk [01:54:56] ㅌㅅㅌ [03:23:00] [1/9] well, css is css, it's a bug part of th web, and there's plenty of free tutorials on it, like W3C school [03:23:00] [2/9] it's managed the same way on FANDOM gru Common.css [03:23:01] [3/9] here you can [03:23:01] [4/9] a) create your own classes/id's [03:23:01] [5/9] b) add custom font to use [03:23:02] [6/9] c) modify skin's appearance [03:23:02] [7/9] for the last part you'll need to use your browser's element inspector - it'll give you the class/id's of elements you want to modify, and also lets you to see how changes will apply in real time, after that you can add code to Common.css [03:23:02] [8/9] another detail - code in Common.css applies on wiki no matter what askin is used, but there are also skin specific css pages - Vector.css, Vector-2022.css, Cosmos.css, and so on [03:23:03] [9/9] and another one - Mobile.css, is modified if you're using MobileFrontend extension (adds a mobile/desktop mode and requires different skin for mobile version to use; but from personal experience I think it's better to use overall one mobile friendly skin instead) [03:23:50] also I don't quite get what you mean by "memebers" [03:24:41] Thanks, I know of CSS's existence, but I'm not very fluent in front-end development (I have plenty of experience with coding and backend development, websites are just wizardry to me lol) [03:24:48] But that's exactly what I needed to know [03:25:00] A great tool is live CSS editor extensions [03:25:14] They help cut down the time on trying to figure out what an element is and how to target it by 50% [03:25:18] I learned CSS thanks to it [03:26:00] I learned css just w/ tutorials before getting into wikis, and w/ wikis by partially looking at other established ones [03:30:58] Yeah I've been looking at the Rainworld wiki for a bit to get an idea of what's going on [03:45:33] 오오 [03:45:34] 니애ㅣ [03:45:39] .... [03:45:40] djdkd [03:45:40] d [03:45:40] dd [03:45:40] d [03:45:43] d [03:45:45] d [03:45:48] d [03:45:50] 니애미 [03:45:53] 창녀 [03:45:55] 내가 느그애미 [03:45:58] 당가해주간 [03:46:00] 강단해줄게 [03:47:55] ? [04:21:11] spammer [04:21:26] was banned here before [04:30:32] yeah, had a feeling [07:59:39] Are the donor roles still given out? Was finally able to donate today ^^ so I'd like to ask for the role if they're still a thing [08:55:14] Is it just me, or Mirahaze is not loading? [08:55:24] When I try to load MIrahaze.org, it leads me to `http://ww25.mirahaze.org/?subid1=20230331-1954-33a5-aede-b04a829839fc` [08:55:37] My Wiki doesn't load either. [08:56:01] https://status.miraheze.wiki/ oh wait.... [08:56:44] mirahaze is not the correct domain [08:56:48] but I think you're right [08:56:55] okay, it's just 502 now [08:57:02] 502 Bad Gateway [08:58:00] Meta is loading for me, but slowly [08:59:07] Okay, now it works. [09:01:19] icingabot says that all the servers are OK now [09:03:18] Hello! [09:03:28] Excuse me for intrusion, but... [09:04:22] Yeah! That happened. [09:04:36] Yeah, happening for me too. [09:05:33] Hmm! Sounds like Miraheze got some problems out there. 😐 [09:09:03] looks like everything is ok now [09:50:17] Hello gentlemen [09:56:46] Oh I see I won't qualify for the role then since that was a single-time donation below £100. Should I message Owen to have the donation logged with my miraheze nickname instead of whatever would be by default from paypal (probably full name)? [09:57:10] on the Finances page that is [10:06:15] no problems for me re: 502s [10:07:35] wait, I noticed the new role, but the old role for any amount of donations won't be given anymore? [10:08:06] I probably donated in late 2021 or very early 2022 [10:31:05] That's how it seems like from Agent's quoted message [10:31:44] "Legacy" does sound like something of the past :p [10:32:52] Hmmm early 2022 is still when donors (now legacy donors) was given out I think? [10:35:56] yeah, but at that time I didn't want my name to be dark green lol [14:41:09] hm, getting a few "wiki not found" when accessing pages [14:43:01] Goodnight! [14:43:20] goodnight [15:17:46] Good night [15:19:22] oh yay only 4 more boosts for level 3 [16:43:59] which wiki? when did it last work? [16:45:48] [1/2] projectsekai, it was giving that message semi-frequently for maybe an addition 15 minutes or so (from when i first sent that message) [16:45:48] [2/2] seems fine so far now though [16:48:01] ok, if you see it again, please try and get the X-Served-By headers [16:48:11] mainly for the mxXXX server [16:51:49] sure thing, is there a place in particular i should report it to next time? [17:10:15] #sre [17:18:32] I see a lot of people having errors with the wiki -- is there any update on this since it's been happening off-on for us and we're about to open a project that requires the wiki for ease of use [17:18:59] No update is going on [17:19:15] I'm not sure what's happening but it seems some servers depooled temporarily [17:19:19] We got a 503 here too on our wiki [17:19:20] they should repool soon [17:19:39] should be back in a minute or so [17:19:41] [1/2] hmm okay I'll just keep my fingers crossed [17:19:41] [2/2] our project has been in dev for 2+ years and we're opening tomorrow <:hob_dead:1071166791725887638> [17:20:11] I'm digressing a bit, but does anyone know if there will be something like ReplaceText again some day? MassEditRegex does the job but is not extremely convenient either. [17:22:23] we should be back [17:30:27] Is there a way to enable fundraising banners from Miraheze, but disable everything else? [17:31:21] There is not but I've been wanting to make some refinements there [17:31:30] What sort of banners would you like to not see? [17:31:46] maintenance notifications? global policy vote notifications? [17:44:41] @Legroom Here is what Im talking about [17:47:18] Any policy banners are usually too big and too annoying, but fundraising seems like a valid cause to show banners. [17:49:31] I am mostly thinking about readers and regular editors here: they probably don't know much about global discussions, so notifications are usually not targetted enough and too big. [17:51:01] @Agent [17:51:19] !sre I think db121 OOM'd again: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Community_noticeboard&diff=326864&oldid=326852&diffmode=source [17:51:54] Appreciate the help, cheers [17:52:43] imo maintenance banners are important [17:54:17] another user on CN reports database lock [17:58:10] @Site Reliability Engineers db121 I'd down ^ [17:59:30] Fixed [18:20:35] What happens to a wiki that has stolen CSS and templates from another wiki [18:21:12] "stolen" is a very strong word here [18:21:18] +1 on that [18:21:21] as long as they kept attribution, it's likely okay [18:21:33] (assuming the other wiki had a CC license) [18:21:55] Borrowing neat ideas for CSS formatting is generally encouraged as long as licensing is maintained. [18:22:27] Nah like I spent hours upon hours doing css for my wiki and stuff like that [18:22:50] And other admin mostly copypasted it to other server's wiki [18:22:55] Like it's obvious [18:23:50] So, completely cribbing a style is in poor taste, but whether it's actionable would depend on your licensing and what attribution they did [18:24:09] IDK [18:24:47] Like it's pretty damn obvious [18:25:01] You need to use the `/auth` command and verify your wiki user with the bot to share links in general chat [18:25:05] Plus you can see it's admin in edits of my and their wiki [18:26:33] Well I mean if they didn't attribute it that would most likely not be okay [18:26:54] Should I send again or can you see these blocked links in admin chat [18:26:55] but otherwise the default license for Miraheze is Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0) unless that wiki is different [18:27:26] ^This means that folks are welcome to borrow templates, styling and content provided they do so with proper attribution to the original author [18:29:10] So they need to credit me or something and it's ok [18:30:09] Yeah. You are free to change the license to something else but it would only apply to future edits [18:30:43] Okay [18:30:43] you can read more about it here: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ [18:30:57] Ignoring me won't solve the issue but it seems to be a primary self-defense strategy so I guess all is well with you in your world? [18:31:19] (changing licenses when a project has existed for a while is not trivial, just wanted to say that) [18:31:59] Huh [18:32:02] Hm? Sorry if I missed any past conversation, can I help with anything? [18:35:33] No, I'm fine. I just don't like to be ignored. Send me away if you want, but post a few words when I post something serious. It's not respectful to ignore others. [18:36:07] We literally don't know what you're talking about. Context would be helpful. [18:36:23] Appears to be this ^ [18:36:27] Your message was probably missed. Ignored implies it was intentional. There are many messages in this channel and sometimes some will be missed. There's certainly no intention to consciously disregard whatever message you posted. [18:36:46] Honestly, this happens quite a lot, were extremely forgetful which is why we tell people to not verbally request things sometimes lol [18:39:21] Hi! [18:41:04] [1/2] man, you see that admins were busy w/ 502s and database locks ... [18:41:04] [2/2] messages here get lost quickly, better make a support thread [18:42:21] Regarding ReplaceText, a few different devs with different MH and non-MH affiliations (including CosmicAlpha) have mentioned looking into a CompressRevisions-friendly replacement, but I haven't personally heard much about it recently. [18:44:26] Yeah this basically. We are kind of stuck without it until someone comes up with a better replacement. I'm wondering if the easiest solution might just be to make MassEditRegex support non-regex replacements. Would be kind of funny, I think. [18:44:53] MassEditNonRegex 😄 [18:45:26] The DemiRegex MassEdit SuperTool [18:45:48] I mean, if it works, it works. [18:51:41] [1/2] Oh oh [18:51:42] [2/2] What did I miss? [18:56:13] Yes, I understand. I'm not trying to push you down, I just often feel like I'm being ignored on purpose even when I'm not. Sorry for my somewhat rude behavior. [18:56:36] Thanks. [18:57:28] Yes, I am aware of that. [18:58:03] Worth remembering that we're volunteers that also have full-time non-MH jobs, so there isn't always eyes on chat from folks who would necessarily have the answers to your Qs. 🙂 [18:59:02] Asynchronous conversations in a busy channel, they're a pain. [19:00:10] Yeah, I know that but I couldn't create a thread for a question as small as this one. [19:00:52] Totally fine to do so if you're not getting an answer, but up to your own discretion. [19:01:22] I try to take a look at new support threads at least once daily, though life has been getting in the way more often than not lately. [19:02:31] For the small questions, I tend to post them here but it's true that I have less chances of answers. [19:03:02] Um, I'm going to stop talking about this though. [19:08:49] No worries, thanks for chatting it out [19:18:54] Can someone look at Github and merge my PR to miraheze/mw-config? 🤗 [19:25:52] bruh i cant change the wikis font to comic sans [19:28:58] unless something changed between this year and last year i'm pretty sure you can [19:29:10] I'm new to all this wiki stuff, but having fun putting my wiki together. I hate using the browser to add edit pages. Is there a method or guide someone can direct me to, to allow me to use a text editor and upload a page? [19:30:58] You'd have to import the font at the start of the main CSS file, then apply the font-family to whatever text you want it to apply to. [19:31:08] It'll be some work, though [19:31:30] is comic sans free tho? [19:32:16] Not sure on that font-front. [19:33:35] Seems like it doesn't have an open license after a bit of cursory googling [19:35:05] There's this https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Comic+Neue [19:36:19] [1/2] m33katron - I don't seem to find the way of converting/importing a txt file to a wiki article, but in general MediaWiki operates w/ xml files regarding import/export [19:36:19] [2/2] why tho? there's an extension which adds wiki text/html code highlight even [19:36:44] Comic Neue [19:37:22] it's close enough [19:37:53] then you can just use `@import` in Common.css [19:46:49] found the edit history where i did this and it looks like i lied cuz i just used comic neue [19:50:51] It is more that I prefer to use the terminal (VIM) [19:51:42] if I have a wiki how can I create wiki pages [19:53:03] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Startinganew_page [19:59:32] [1/2] m33katron - I can only advice you just copy pasting the whole finished thing into source editor and save [19:59:32] [2/2] max I can find regarding txt files is just upload of them, not importing [20:00:27] yeah been doin some googling cant seem to find much. [20:00:43] If you really wanted to do everything from the command, you could make a call or call(s) to api.php or rest.php [20:03:34] I'd imagine one of the two are used by bots to do edits and you could do something similar [20:08:18] ** Warning: if there is any bot in #miraheze which should be exempted from ozone, voice it or contact staffers before it gets caught ** [20:28:14] Why ozone join [20:28:47] Someone might wanna voice Void/wm-bot [20:28:53] @Orduin [20:31:05] voice granted to wm-bot and Void-bot [20:32:50] wm-bot probably doesn't need it [20:33:02] Void-bot will only need it in -cvt probably [20:33:45] I dunno [20:34:37] ozone did say that bots should be voiced before they get caught [20:34:53] and it's currently only on this channel [20:40:00] ozone is probably talking about the relay bot if it's not voiced [20:40:10] ozone kills any user who talks too much lol [20:40:20] smh [20:40:29] what if I ban ozone? [20:40:32] oh yeah, congrats on sre orange_star [20:40:35] jk jk... unless? [20:40:52] thanks Fiddlestix [20:43:46] Void-bot doesn't chat un-prompted, doubt it would be needed [20:45:11] Relay bot is voiced [21:20:35] i would assume based on the number of channels its in that wm-bot is already exempted [21:21:12] I don’t think the exempt by staff exists tbh [21:21:22] I think it’s only voice [21:21:39] Exempt by staff used to be a freenode thing [21:21:42] "voice it or contact staffers " [21:22:02] Yeah I’m not sure contact staffers is actually that used [21:22:09] jess: maybe ^ [21:22:47] Orange_Star: if you find deploy tool or mwscript horrible, do let me know on discord and I could maybe restart cleaning them up [21:22:59] I need to prep them for python 3.11 too [21:23:08] I nhaven't used the deploy thing yet [21:23:40] I do plan on using them tomorrow, once I merge https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5171 [21:23:46] I'll let you know what I think [21:24:11]