[00:35:15] [1/2] for some reason the default skin on [[mh:backrooms]] shows up as monaco even though it's evelution [00:35:15] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/backrooms [00:35:15] [2/2] i did this as an april fools joke [00:35:16]

[00:36:02] [[mh:backrooms:main page]] [00:36:02] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/backrooms:main_page [00:36:03]

[00:37:06] [[mh:backrooms:Main Page]] [00:37:06] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/backrooms:Main_Page [00:37:07]

[01:13:54] shows evelution for me [01:14:03] are you sure you didnt change the skin in your preferences? [01:14:25] also wow this evelution skin has a lot of icons.. [01:47:05] Yeah... Evelution makes a button out of anything and they all appear at all times. [01:47:11] It's got some interesting choices. [01:49:30] [1/2] Evelution is one that approving might have been questionable for me at that point, it doesn't have great performance, and also still doesn't have very good commit messages for updating, and the amount of commits provides other risks. [01:49:31] [2/2] It's about the only one I actually regret approving, because of how it is. I would have reversed that months ago if I thought it had a real security risk but still.... [01:53:29] [1/3] Curious about MW security, specifically the CSRF tokens. I have a bot (using jwiki) that sometimes sits idle for a while, and later I want to make it do a task but the edit will be rejected with an error saying the CSRF token has expired. [01:53:29] [2/3] How does this token get refreshed? For a normal user, does it flow like: visit page, get token -> edit page using token, save page, get new token, etc.? [01:53:29] [3/3] A workaround right now would be to force a token refresh before every edit but I dunno if that's good practice or not. [01:57:23] No idea how jwiki works, but generally, you want to get a token as soon before an action as possible. [01:57:43] generally if your request is rejected due to invalid token it should return the new token in the headers of the failed response [01:57:55] idk if mediawiki does that or not? but it is standard practice with csrf tokens [01:58:19] could check and see [01:58:30] if it does, you can just use that to retry the request [01:59:06] That's true, but it is also better practice to request a new token before every action. [01:59:24] my problem with this skin in particular (at least the last time I saw it) was that it had a horrible performance [01:59:38] it loaded like, 30 kb of just JavaScript [01:59:50] i dont see why that is better practice if it means making more requests to take an action [01:59:51] my websites in React dont even reach that much [02:00:09] especially if you're making multiple requests in a short timespan, cause csrf tokens take a few minutes to expire [02:01:04] How would I check this [02:01:56] oh actually nvm i read docs and it looks like mediawiki doesn't supply a new token in the headers of a failed response.. so you'll just have to fetch a new one [02:02:51] True, if you are making multiple requests in a short time, but I generally simply make my API edit wrapper fetch a new token for each edit. It might be less efficient in theory, but it is much simpler to handle and debug. [02:04:05] Ah darn, sometimes I do do batch edits so id have to refresh before every one of those edits [02:04:43] nah tokens are valid for a few minutes after being generated, so if you know you'll be making a batch edit you can just fetch one at the start [02:04:59] but if you are going to make fewer edits over a longer period of time, that's when it makes more sense to fetch before each one [02:05:07] it kinda depends on how you have your code for batches set up [02:05:15] Yeah, really depends what your source code looks like too. [02:05:41] I just make it do the same job but with different params [02:05:57] Didn’t make a dedicated batch job [02:10:11] Another option you can always do is create a wrapper method for the edit function that bundles the token fetching and edit action into one small block of code so you don't have to worry about fetching the token manually each time you want to edit. [02:12:49] Hm I could give that a shot, thanks for the ideas y'all [02:14:53] Unable to login on miraheze or phabricator. Error message says my browser used an incorrect token. [02:22:06] Clear cookies (for .miraheze.org if you know how), login in an incognito window, logout. [02:23:19] There are no cookies to clear [02:33:46] Then, if you are comfortable clearing all cookies, do that. Otherwise, try starting from step two. [02:41:10] Logging in was successful. Ill add the task now [02:43:20] 👍 [02:59:20] Thanks for the help, since I can request that bugs on my wiki be solved I will cut straight to the point and create a task for that as thats what I intended to do originally. Ive been getting messages asking to fix a certain error I just cannot fix 24/7 [05:21:03] hello why discord icon and banner got blue? xd [05:21:15] Can you guess? \:D [05:22:28] https://giphy.com/gifs/fallontonight-christmas-tonight-show-fallon-i2arh6R3hyCpEpRkXI [05:22:41] 'tis the fool's holiday [05:22:54] ooh right [05:23:03] I always forget about it [05:40:35] Ah...Right. Always forget about those silly holidays up north 😛 [08:38:21] yes [09:47:30] I don't think it qualifies as a holiday tbh 😉 [09:51:29] gets more attention than some holidays [09:58:11] Possibly, doesn't make it a holiday, I don't think many people get the day off for it being aprils fools, which is what you do for holidays (unless it happen to fall in a weekend ofc) [10:23:49] Using holiday under the looser definition here 😛 [10:24:01] i.e. Halloween is a "holiday" [10:48:59] Why is Miraheze blue? [10:53:59] it's why i put it as an april fools skin [10:54:02] march smarts [11:50:15] conversely, people (at least federally) get the day off for the most bizarre excuses of holidays... [13:54:05] evelution somehow manages to be worse than fandomdesktop by fusing that with windows 11 [13:58:02] how many wikis even use it? [14:00:02] it's funny cus for number of wikis fandom desktop was the last straw and Miraheze has basically Oasis But Better [14:00:58] but suddenly we got here some user who was veeery anxious about having evelution [14:01:25] and when it finally got accepted - they disappeared [14:01:39] there's a number of them that do use it [14:01:55] as far as it working out or looking good, I've never seen it done and actually complimenting the wiki [14:02:45] in fact I would honestly characterize it as the worst looking and working skin, barely surpassed by extremely old skins otherwise [14:07:20] is evelution the bootleg miraheze version of fandomdesktop? [14:10:01] there's no miraheze specific skins, any skin can be used on any MediaWiki installation [14:10:11] but basically yeah, it's bootleg fandom desktop [14:11:01] but idk if there are wikis outside of Miraheze using Cosmos [14:11:14] and Cosmos was made by CosmicAlpha [14:11:44] but still, it's out there, available for any independent wiki [14:23:43] I'm blue, da ba dee da ba di [14:33:58] I could have sworn fandom looked better tbqh [14:34:09] at least minus ads [14:34:42] welcome to the Hezemira server! [14:34:52] mirahizzy [14:35:25] mirahizzle [14:36:45] unfortunate news guys... miraheze now has to server 7 ads per page... sorry about the inconvenience [14:38:10] Fortunately for me, I have an adblocker [14:38:33] with a blocker fandom doesn't too bad imo [14:41:45] i guess naleksuh did not enjoy some of the group name changes on meta [14:41:54] no [14:42:43] man [[Special:Diff/326909]] got reverted too [14:42:43] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Diff/326909 [14:42:44]

[14:45:26] Really? Complaining about April Fool's jokes? [14:46:52] par for the course given the source and past experience [14:46:56] evelution remains having a big problem of hogging up memory/RAM, net concept but not paying extra just for a skin eating up ram [14:50:07] I mean, changing interwiki role names might not be the best idea, but inverting the icon is just the least unacceptable thing that can happen [14:50:15] (yes, least, unacceptable) [15:02:35] Is this nega-Miraheze!!!11!1! /j [15:11:08] i thought i was tripping when i saw that this channel said support [15:11:15] and the support channel saidd general [15:11:21] but its april 1st [15:23:08] To be honest I don't like, neither celebrate April Fools. [15:25:03] Well, I agree when the jokes are heavy and make stuff unusable but the edits reverted made nothing unusable lol [15:25:24] I'm sure Meta wouldn't explode if people saw the logo turn upside down when they hovered over it [15:34:36] Next April fools just turn the whole site into fandom with like 30 ads in one page and with the worst themes possible [15:35:03] I thought about changing the server name to "Miraheze, powered by Fandom" but that'd be a little too far lol [15:35:32] 🤣 I love the idea, but yeah probably is too far [15:36:04] they're gonna find out someday [15:44:00] not too far tbh [15:51:35] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Hello and happy april fools day [15:52:33] @BWM there are some IW requests on Community noticeboard if you have time today [15:52:47] I can probably get to them this afternoon if not [15:52:48] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> We're you guys thinking of doing something for April Fools for miraheze? [15:52:54] ME REFERENCE⁉️⁉️ [15:53:01] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> I had a pretty good idea, but it would be a bit boring [15:53:02] i see fiddlesticks [15:53:05] me reference [15:53:16] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132, replying to Fiddlestix#9401> Huh? [15:53:26] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Sure [15:53:30] We had some things, but a user found them to be 'vandalism' and reverted them. [15:53:38] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Oh [15:53:39] fiddlesticks main? [15:54:11] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> My idea is that you could change the Miraheze logo to either the Fandom logo or Wikipedia logo for a day or so. Maybe not Fandom tho [15:54:15] i can agree with the changes of the group name but flipping the icon when hovering over it??? [15:54:23] Vandalism!!!!!!!! [15:54:25] Heresy [15:54:39] An affront to the natural CSS order. [15:54:44] ok guys, let's announce the real deal [15:54:54] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Alright! [15:54:55] from today and on, MH will introduce new plans [15:55:02] 2,99 for simple wikis [15:55:06] 10,99 for medium sized [15:55:10] and 50 for large wikis [15:55:18] I also added a small gif of Jimbo Wales peeking in on the bottom left corner of the screen on all noticeboards but that too is vandalism [15:55:51] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Well it cant be too bad [15:56:08] not according to a recent discussion in the meta admin's noticeboard [15:56:21] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> And I just realized I have been messaging support this whole time and not general lol. [15:56:27] a substantial rebuke of the grouchiness there will be required for such tomfoolery to not be soured [15:56:28] oh god did he really make a discussion? [15:56:32] [15:56:38] I am a vandal, per this [15:56:44] it's about par for the course, did you really think he wouldn't [15:56:51] yes you are a vandal, Agent [15:56:53] go to the corner [15:56:56] >:( [15:57:00] \:( [15:57:10] global ban for agent [15:57:22] agent <:DoneMH:775407710400675940>locked as voa [15:57:52] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132, replying to raidarr#6550> Wait wha? [15:58:00] 1984 [15:58:01] voa here in portuguesse translates to "it flies" [15:58:26] 𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e <:DoneMH:775407710400675940>banned for 6 minutes as a dissident [15:58:56] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> is banned in april [15:59:49] dangit [16:00:08] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> That sux lol [16:00:28] ban miraheze [16:00:44] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> I had a question [16:01:00] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Do you guys hate Fandom or are they like your rivals or something? [16:01:51] this community has a substantial portion of people fundamentally dislike fandom's business practices, advertising, or otherwise have poor experiences having operated wikis on the platform [16:02:37] miraheze doesn't officially have any stance on/against them but it's no mistake that many people here are "ex fandom" [16:02:55] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> I hate fandom too, especially Logopedia. They get too strict sometimes. And I only got like one edit there [16:03:10] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> And their ads are very annoying [16:03:30] two common complaints [16:03:48] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Yes [16:03:54] @BWM disregard, a meeting moved this morning so I am able to resolve the requets [16:04:20] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> You know what would be a weird April Fools joke here [16:05:00] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> What if you guys made some random inactive person who made an account like 5 or 6 years ago and never used it again a Miraheze steward for a day [16:05:01] another fun thing I like to do on MH [16:05:13] use my wiki as a pseudo CMS so I can organize my crap [16:05:21] because i'm too lazy to set up an actual CMS [16:05:43] I'm sure our heads would be chopped off [16:05:53] per the latest AN thread [16:05:57] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> What does that mean? [16:06:28] [[AN]] [16:06:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/AN [16:06:29]

[16:06:36] disregarding nale going ree that would probably concern a number of people tbh [16:06:54] those jokes don't tend to play well on platforms of miraheze scale [16:07:13] only way I can see that progressing is if the user promoted were locked lol [16:07:42] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Well I mean it wouldn't cause any harm considering they probably wouldn't be on [16:07:58] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Or the year [16:08:03] even so [16:08:48] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132, replying to Agent#3928> Or it could work if the original creator of the account forgot the password to it [16:09:24] damn why has to be so dramatic [16:09:57] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Imagine the original creator just literally scratching the door trying to get in the steward account lol [16:10:10] only way that sort of thing will reduce is if that sort of reaction is called by a diversity of people on the spot [16:10:11] I remember on April 1 russian Borderlands wiki would change all character portraits on main page w/ clowns lol [16:10:43] the first execution of mirahezia [16:11:02] personally lead by naleksuh himself [16:12:23] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Anyways I had a different question, but it is kinda more of a concern then a question [16:12:54] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> It's on this dream logos wiki (with the subdomain dreamlogos.miraheze.org) [16:13:07] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Hold on gimme a sec my wifi is being bad :< [16:18:18] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> So my concern is that I discovered that as far as I am aware, there are no active bureaucrats on the wiki [16:18:55] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> And a few months ago, there was a vandal who got blocked by a steward for creating hateful pages [16:19:12] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> This is a pretty huge yikes :0 [16:20:13] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> And also the main page of the wiki still mentions CLG Wiki [16:20:18] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Also a yikes [16:20:22] neither of the two things are necessarily unusual [16:20:31] and the last one is a lack of maintenance [16:20:34] Sounds like you should run a local election and become a bureaucrat then [16:20:57] indeed, if you think you have the drive to revive it that is [16:21:21] chace there seems to have missed the date [16:21:57] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132, replying to NotAracham#0009> Well I tried to ask the original guy who blocked the vandal if he could rank me to that since he was the only one who had the capability too, but so far no dice [16:22:04] whatever happened to them btw [16:22:15] haven't followed the situation since [16:22:18] if it was a steward who did it then they are not authorized to simply promote you out of nowhere [16:22:32] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> And I have a good reason as to why I should be bureaucrat there [16:22:35] instead you need to follow the process at [[local elections]] (hopefully I remember the link right) [16:22:35] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/local_elections [16:22:36]

[16:22:46] not a red link, congrats [16:22:50] If you have a good reason then simply follow the process :p [16:23:16] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Oh ok thanks : D [16:23:46] 30 day ban in general chat for an altercation w/ another user, I think that runs through to expiry in another week or two. [16:24:29] <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Is there any specific procedure for small wikis like the dream logo wiki? [16:24:44] The one on Local elections is it, for now [16:25:16] There's a wiki governance proposal that isn't yet approved that'll make it easier for smaller inactive wikis. [16:25:19]