[00:00:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550, replying to BWM#6978> it's not a subject people particularly care about
[00:01:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> its responsibilities are almost fewer than meta bureaucrat but its role has even less prestige, and I doubt most people who'd look would even know what it's on about
[00:01:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> it is a marginal role in a community function that sees limited use overall
[00:39:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> and at this point it's operated by someone who's severed ties in the community, so how that's going to be maintained is another question
[00:39:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> Oh dang.
[00:39:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> Well, I guess I have to work on this wiki on my own then.
[00:40:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> general help can be given
[00:41:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> just don't directly post a picture of someone naked lol
[00:41:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> Oh, right.
[00:41:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> "Content"
[00:41:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> content in terms of what is posted right into this channel
[00:41:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161, replying to raidarr#6550> Does that also apply to pages documenting NSFW topics?
[00:42:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> if in context of troubleshooting and flagged appropriately so people can avoid it, I would be fine with it
[00:43:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [1/2] The wiki is private, fortunately.
[00:43:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [2/2] Only staff members could access it.
[00:43:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> then yeah, not much to worry about
[01:06:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Briar?#5584> How to make text in-line with a wikitable?
[01:42:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Fiddlestix#9401> oh god dude, one of my wikis has the most cringe shit ever
[01:43:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Fiddlestix#9401> i modified like literally all of the texts in `MediaWiki:`
[01:53:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [1/4] //TW: NSFW mentions
[01:53:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [2/4] /
[01:53:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [3/4] /
[01:53:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [4/4] So how do I convert this into a template form?
[01:53:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [1/4] //TW: NSFW mentions
[01:53:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [2/4] /
[01:53:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [3/4] /
[01:53:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> [4/4] So how do I convert this into a template form?
[02:03:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Gummiel#0001, replying to Shaoji#5161> I assume that is the output you got from the PI builder? Kinda hard to see with how tightly you cropped it around just the text
[02:43:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161, replying to Gummiel#0001> PI builder?
[03:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> @Administrators could someone put back the regular MH logo for the discord server?
[03:02:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Juwi#1429> im not even sure why it changed lol
[03:02:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978, replying to Juwi#1429> it was an April Fool's joke
[03:02:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> Yesterday was a national holiday
[03:02:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> dare I say a global holiday
[03:02:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> hahah
[03:02:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> of much joy and peace
[03:02:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Juwi#1429> ahh
[03:02:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161, replying to Gummiel#0001> Also, I'm not sure if it's hard to read. That's the entire html or CSS code of the template?
[03:28:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to Gummiel#0001> [1/2] yes it's PI
[03:28:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to Gummiel#0001> [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1092113620231528529
[03:29:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to Shaoji#5161> what exact problem is?
[03:34:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161, replying to Legroom#2748> Nevermind, I fixed my problem.
[03:34:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> Oh sh##
[03:34:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161, replying to Legroom#2748> I fixed my problem.
[03:38:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> I suggest you to rename "data" to corresponding labels
[03:38:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> for easier use
[03:39:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> How'd you know it was 'data'?
[03:40:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> your screenshot...
[03:40:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161> Oh right.
[05:34:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> [1/3] friendly reminder there's ongoing brainstorming for wiki tags feature
[05:34:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> [2/3] [[Communitynoticeboard#Wikitag_ideas]]
[05:34:51] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community%1dnoticeboard#Wiki%1dtag_ideas
[05:34:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> [3/3] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1090852781650354216
[05:34:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Communitynoticeboard#Wikitag_ideas>
[05:52:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Reception123#2349> ^ Indeed, we'll need way more ideas for tags
[06:52:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> Added a few for the idea pile
[06:53:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <RhinosF1#3648> The new relay bot isn’t formatting correct
[06:53:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <RhinosF1#3648> That link is broken irc-side
[07:00:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <CosmicAlpha#3274> I'll fix tomorrow.
[07:01:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <CosmicAlpha#3274> Miraheze can then pull it.
[07:05:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <CosmicAlpha#3274> @RhinosF1 You can create an issue on <https://github.com/WikiForge/IRC-Discord-Relay/issues/new> if you feel like it, to remind me. Pretty simple fix though. I just can't do right now. Without the issue I might forget also, but you can also ping me tomorrow if you want.
[07:15:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to pickles#7429> don't spam here
[07:16:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <CosmicAlpha#3274> Deleted.
[09:02:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Ernanto#8640, replying to Shaoji#5161> bro 💀
[10:18:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Shaoji#5161, replying to Ernanto#8640> Lmfao
[10:28:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Ernanto#8640> weird asf
[10:32:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> offtopic, guys
[10:39:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> how can I see how much time closed wiki has before permanent deletion?
[10:39:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> given that I'm admin ofc
[10:42:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Ernanto#8640, replying to Legroom#2748> 🤓
[10:43:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> keep this channel for support
[10:43:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> ya ain't helping
[10:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to Briar?#5584> [1/2] still actual?
[10:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to Briar?#5584> [2/2] text is outside of table you mean?
[12:23:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Buni_Egoist#6282> when was actually the last time someone looked over name change requests
[12:23:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Buni_Egoist#6282> asking cus I just requested a name change
[12:24:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Buni_Egoist#6282> and would like to know how many months I have to wait
[12:27:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928, replying to Buni_Egoist#6282> Renames typically take 12-24 months to process
[12:27:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Buni_Egoist#6282> oki
[12:27:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> that's silly \:)
[12:27:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> they take anywhere from 1-3 days to process
[12:27:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> I see you just submitted yours
[12:28:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> so it should be processed soon
[12:28:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Buni_Egoist#6282> oki great
[12:38:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Gummiel#0001, replying to Agent#3928> Aprils fools are over 😛
[12:38:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Tali64#9984, replying to Gummiel#0001> It's never truly over
[12:40:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Gummiel#0001> Fair, and I geuss it makes sense to extend it here to make up for the inabilty to do anything with it on meta, due to a certain person 😛
[13:07:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> logged out again 😔
[13:16:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [1/16] ```css
[13:16:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [2/16] <center>
[13:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [3/16] <choose uncached>
[13:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [4/16] <option>Shoebill can everything, they even ate india on 1st april 2023!/option
[13:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [5/16] <option>The wiki was founded because two guys were bored/option
[13:16:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [6/16] <option>that we need help to improve the wiki/option
[13:16:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [7/16] <option>If you use the Konami code on your keyboard, you unlock a secret game, Snek/option
[13:16:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [8/16] <option>The World of Revolution OST is good, you should listen to it by clicking [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08w_eJ-tUq4&list=PLgzC0ZoPaRnKStSh9hXZPK5wXQDCk7LD9 here]/option
[13:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [9/16] <option>That a country named [[Shoebill (Country)]] used to exist?/option
[13:16:48] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Shoebill_(Country)
[13:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [10/16] <option>That WoR started development in 2021?/option
[13:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [11/16] /optionThat the owner of the game, Taxents is Belgian?/option
[13:16:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [12/16] /optionThat the developers hired someone to create [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGwKCEYJTlI] Economic Depression/option
[13:16:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [13/16] /choose
[13:16:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [14/16] /center
[13:16:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [15/16] ```
[13:16:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> [16/16] this code doesnt seem to work anyone know why?
[13:16:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> its a "did you know" box
[13:18:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> what are these tags?
[13:18:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> part of extension?
[13:18:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001, replying to Legroom#2748> its code from fandom
[13:18:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> lol
[13:19:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> and?
[13:19:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> no clue which extension is used to make these tags work
[13:19:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> or if there is even an extension.. to make these tags work
[13:19:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> it essentially chooses a thing at random
[13:19:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> I never encountered choose or option tags over there
[13:20:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001, replying to Legroom#2748> https://wor.fandom.com/wiki/Template:DYKBox
[13:20:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> only massedit is enabled in importjs, both common.css and common.js dont exist
[13:20:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> so it has to be a default tag
[13:22:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:RandomSelection
[13:22:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> extension
[13:22:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> Miraheze has it
[13:23:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> parser hooks tab ofc
[13:24:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Rabby#0001> thanks @Legroom
[13:29:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> [1/2] actually pretty neat, I might use it on my wikis too lol
[13:29:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> [2/2] would work nicely along w/ OTD feature on main page
[13:31:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> the problem would be coming up w/ all options manually and OTD isn't easy either
[14:41:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> Is it possible to host a wiki via github pages?
[14:43:21] <Orange_Star>	 not really
[14:45:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> [1/2] Github does have it's own per-repository extremely limited wiki functionality, if that's what you're asking. 
[14:45:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> [2/2] But, you can't, for example, version-control wiki articles there and have them get automatically pulled into Miraheze.
[14:51:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967, replying to NotAracham#0009> I meant an actual miraheze wiki via custom domains. I don't think the guide explains that option much. Or if it does I don't understand.
[14:56:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> actually wanted to ask the same question
[14:56:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> custom domain via github
[14:57:19] <Orange_Star>	 to use custom domains in Miraheze, you need to either change the authoritative DNS or add a CNAME record
[14:57:27] <Orange_Star>	 github doesn't let you do that in pages
[14:58:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> Shit. Is there no way around this?
[14:59:34] <Orange_Star>	 no
[15:00:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> You could always just include a link to the miraheze wiki in your about page for the repo
[15:01:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> Otherwise, discussion about redirects is one that should be had with GitHub since they own the wiki subdomain on their side
[15:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> Just thought of another idea.
[15:02:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> Hello, I am a bit confused because I am trying to give Bureaucrat (or atleast administrator) to another user in my wiki but I can't see it anywhere.
[15:03:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> Is this normal, do I have to contact support, is there anyway to do so? I am a bit new in miraheze and I have no idea why or how to do this
[15:03:58] <Orange_Star>	 Azti: That user needs to have visited your wiki at least once, in order to show up in the user list
[15:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> It does appear in the user list, but I am not able to give bureaucrat tho
[15:05:05] <Orange_Star>	 what's your wiki URL?
[15:05:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> Wiki link?
[15:05:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> pixelplace.miraheze.org
[15:05:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Disgustedorite☀#5055> how would I go about setting up interwiki links? all my years doing wiki stuff and I happened to never actually have t to that before
[15:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978, replying to Disgustedorite☀#5055> An interwiki admin (me) would add them for you
[15:07:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Disgustedorite☀#5055> oh that makes things easier
[15:07:22] <Orange_Star>	 Azti: Bureaucrats are missing the permission to grant admin in your wiki, it seems
[15:07:28] <Orange_Star>	 https://pixelplace.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights
[15:07:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009, replying to Disgustedorite☀#5055> You can make the request in the interwiki channel here or on the Community Noticeboard
[15:07:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> It's importet from fandom, maybe this has to do with this problem
[15:08:25] <Orange_Star>	 You can fix that by going to https://pixelplace.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/permissions/bureaucrat and giving bureaucrats the ability to grant and remove administrator
[15:10:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> OS: check that link, something is funky
[15:10:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> Can't examine more closely until later myself
[15:11:07] <Orange_Star>	 what link?
[15:11:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> Yours
[15:11:41] <Orange_Star>	 It's just a link to edit the permissions of bureaucrats in that wiki?
[15:11:46] <Orange_Star>	 Looks okay on my end
[15:11:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> no it seems fine?
[15:11:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> Group assignments is clearly missing both groups discussed
[15:12:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> At least on my end
[15:12:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> ah
[15:12:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> looking
[15:12:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> Orange_Star: raidarr is right, the Group Assignments tab doesn't feature admin or crat...
[15:13:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> No administrator is showing up tho
[15:13:42] <Orange_Star>	 wha?
[15:13:45] <Orange_Star>	 you're right
[15:14:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> ...and the admin group exists on your wiki right
[15:14:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> As I said before, this is probably because it's imported from fandom
[15:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> Yes I have admin and bureau
[15:14:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> Unlikely, that generally doesn't foul up permissions
[15:14:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <LuciferianThomas#0666> modified by MediaWiki group configurations?
[15:14:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> never should, importing has no effect on permissions...
[15:14:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <LuciferianThomas#0666> i.e. it's renamed through system messages?
[15:14:59] <Orange_Star>	 doesn't look like it Thomas: https://pixelplace.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=managewiki&user=&page=&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist
[15:15:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <LuciferianThomas#0666> hmm
[15:15:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978, replying to LuciferianThomas#0666> would then still show up under Group Assignments tab
[15:15:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> just under a diff name
[15:15:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <LuciferianThomas#0666> thought moderators was sysop
[15:15:42] <Orange_Star>	 Looking at Special:ListGroupRights more closely, there are no list of members for administrators?
[15:15:49] <Orange_Star>	 I'll login and take a closer look
[15:15:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978, replying to LuciferianThomas#0666> don't believe so
[15:15:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> they're separate
[15:16:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <LuciferianThomas#0666> apparently is extension
[15:16:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> moderators is for chat mod i believe using the MWChat extension
[15:16:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> not positive though
[15:17:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> Seems like SRE might need to re-run the default permissions script, might have been a failed setup.
[15:19:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> @Disgustedorite☀ see CN, responded
[15:20:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Disgustedorite☀#5055> I have been typing the request for several minutes
[15:21:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978, replying to Disgustedorite☀#5055> oops 🤦‍♂️
[15:21:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> wrong user
[15:21:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <BWM#6978> apologies
[15:25:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928, replying to Azti#7454> Remove administrator and bureaucrat as an implicit group in Special:ManageWiki/settings -> Permissions and readd `*`, `Users` and `Autoconfirmed` as implicit groups
[15:25:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> As a general rule of thumb, don't mess with implicit groups
[15:26:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> I've accidentally nuked a wiki because someone messed with implicit groups and I didn't realize that that's why their user groups were messed up
[15:27:16] <Orange_Star>	 Agent is right
[15:27:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> adds a note to add this to my guide workflow -- don't touch implicit groups
[15:28:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> There u go
[15:28:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Azti#7454> Thanks, Agent
[15:28:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> np
[15:51:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to Legroom#2748> [1/4] note: the parser function version seems to be broken, confirmed in talk page - it gives empty option and doesn't have uncached parameter
[15:51:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to Legroom#2748> [2/4] I'd much prefer it over tags because: 
[15:51:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to Legroom#2748> [3/4] - easier
[15:51:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748, replying to Legroom#2748> [4/4] - doesn't kills code highlight
[17:12:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Lev#8313> Is there a documented way to migrate from StructuredDiscussions to DiscussionTools? Seems like SD is unsupported at this point, so I'm wondering if you can switch.
[17:16:43] <RhinosF1>	 Sadly not
[17:17:06] <RhinosF1>	 Structured discussions is also sadly still supported for use in a few places
[17:27:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> [1/3] imma passing the support baton in this thread, anyone
[17:27:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> [2/3] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1092488374541107270
[17:27:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Legroom#2748> [3/3] user doesn't have experience w/ templates and can't access FANDOM for PI example/guides either
[17:29:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Lev#8313> RhinosF1: seems like it's maintained, but not anything beyond that
[17:39:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <RhinosF1#3648, replying to Lev#8313> I mean it wasn’t ever developed properly
[18:22:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Redmin#9038> Did something about welcoming new sysadmins in #announcements change? OrangeStar joining does not appear to have been announced there.
[18:23:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550, replying to Redmin#9038> might have been forgotten is my guess
[18:24:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> part of it may be the fact OS is pretty much irc exclusive
[18:24:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> yes, that's likely it
[18:25:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Redmin#9038> Sure but a mention shouldn't hurt.
[18:36:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> from what I can tell there'll be a bit of a bundled announcement and that will be part of it
[18:43:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> [1/3] (Cross-posting for our IRC friends)
[18:43:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> [2/3] A new Request for Stewardship has been opened on Meta.  As Steward is a role with broad permissions and global reach, I encourage our community to review the request thoughtfully and cast their vote accordingly: 
[18:43:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> [3/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/RequestsforStewardship#Raidarr%27sRequestfor_Stewardship
[18:51:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> What am I doing wrong? The user ConspiracyNetBot can still edit stuff (btw, for clarity, calling it "bot" would probably be wrong. How it's meant to work is that code actually logs into the account, but humans use the account just to view the contents of the wiki.
[18:53:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> reading and editing are different rights, it is possible that the ability to edit is a part of being a user or the everyone group and it is added on top of the ability to read given by the member group - but that's just a hypothesis, someone more technical can affirm if this is possible
[18:54:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> I tried viewing the everyone group, but edit is disabled. All the user groups that ConspiracyNetBot is in, editing is disabled yet it still edit stuff.
[18:54:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> if from user as well then I couldn't say off the top of my head
[18:55:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928, replying to Bobbitibob#6967> What about the "user" user group?
[18:55:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> the group by that name specifically yeah
[18:56:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> Aaah! Yeah, forgot user group existed. Miraheze maintenance is confusing sometimes, lol.
[18:57:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> it comes straight from raw mediawiki logic, which is different from say, forum logic if that is your background
[18:57:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Agent#3928> That's MediaWiki for ya
[18:57:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> though I've seen some pretty eldrich things in forum logic too...
[19:02:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> Ok, next weird thing: Do you know how at the bottom with the lists of categories, there is a redirect to the special: category page? Is it possible to just make the text "category:" to to redirect to that page or anything?
[19:45:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091#7318, replying to Bobbitibob#6967> [1/2] You mean creating these buttons?
[19:45:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091#7318, replying to Bobbitibob#6967> [2/2] `[[Category:CatName]]`
[19:45:58] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:CatName
[19:46:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091#7318> This put the page into specific category
[19:47:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091#7318> If you want to create redirect to category on the page without marking it to a category, use `[[:Category:CatName]]`
[19:47:58] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:Category:CatName
[19:52:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> What I mean is that when you do that and creates categories, in the box containing the categories, you end up with "categories" redirecting to Special:Categories. I don't want that to happen.
[19:53:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091#7318> You mean the clickable Categories text?
[19:53:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> Yes.
[19:54:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091#7318> I think you can remove that using CSS
[19:59:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> Sorry, but I don't get how since the text Categories doesn't have its own id or class. For clarity, I still want to keep all the other redirects to the categories (E.G, living people will still redirect to Category:Living People) I just want the clickable Categories redirect to be cancelled.
[20:22:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> Done it via a rather convoluted way by using templates.
[20:32:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> [1/6] ```css
[20:32:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> [2/6] #catlinks a[href="/wiki/Special:Categories"] {
[20:32:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> [3/6]   pointer-events: none;
[20:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> [4/6] }
[20:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> [5/6] ```
[20:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> [6/6] doesn't do the trick?
[20:33:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Bobbitibob#6967> Huh. Yes it does. Thanks, didn't know you could do that with css.
[20:35:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> Learn something new everyday 😆
[21:11:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Lev#8313, replying to ChaoticShadow#2188> Just `#catlinks > a:first-child` is enough.
[21:13:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Lev#8313, replying to Bobbitibob#6967> The cleanest way to do what you want is to add script that looks like `$( '#catlinks > a' ).html( $( '#catlinks > a' ).text() );`
[21:14:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Lev#8313> Ah, no, I'm incorrect. Should be `#mw-normal-catlinks` in both messages.
[21:14:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> [1/3] ```css
[21:14:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> [2/3] #mw-normal-catlinks > a
[21:14:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> [3/3] ``` yeah, but dunno, to me feels better to target the specific page link even if it's more brittle
[21:15:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Lev#8313> The special page links are localised in MediaWiki, so not exactly.
[21:15:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ChaoticShadow#2188> oh hm, forgot about that
[21:23:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Heya. I got a bit more info on the adminship of the Dream Logo Wiki. It appears to me that the only dude who was owner is never online on the wiki an possibly quit, and nobody else was ranked before he left. I don't think this is a good thing because 6 months ago there was a user who started making hateful pages everywhere.
[21:24:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Furthermore, nobody has voted on my local election on the main page and it's been 2 days so Idk how I even get ranked ._.
[21:25:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> You wait 7 days, then put a notice on the stewards' noticeboard requesting permissions based on results of local election.
[21:25:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> This is all documented on [[Local_elections]]
[21:25:58] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Local_elections
[21:25:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Local_elections>
[21:26:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> But there is no results, and it's been two days.
[21:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> I don't think there will be any votes
[21:26:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> Yes.
[21:26:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> And one of the only active users keeps breaking one of the rules and nobody is there to stop him
[21:26:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> There is a minimum of 4 days, 7 days is best practice
[21:27:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> If it's significantly disruptive behavior, let stewards/CVT know.
[21:27:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> in this case it can probably be called in 4 but miraheze doesn't tend to call any sooner than that
[21:27:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr#6550> if a user is being particularly problematic I can come in and take a look
[21:27:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132, replying to NotAracham#0009> Alright. So I should at least wait until Wednesday until I take it too the Stewards noticeboard?
[21:28:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> Yes.  For the election, wait until 4 days have elapsed and then put a notice on the Stewards' board to close the election and grant rights.
[21:28:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Ok. Thank you for the help.
[21:28:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <NotAracham#0009> For the problem-user, if it's a small local rule violation, fine to wait.  If it's a bigger thing that goes against global content policy or terms of use, notify CVT in the #cvt channel or make a post on the steward's noticeboard.
[21:29:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖑𝖎e#1132> Yea it's a small local rule.
[23:59:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thalber#0503> anyone know a good tool for locally editing wiki pages?