[01:58:28] Do Miraheze favicons not show up on Google anymore? [02:03:15] interesting [02:18:58] Wikidot also had the issue [02:19:31] Every time I try to google my wiki a clone of it appears above it :p [02:20:36] hmm, does MH cache server having issues? [02:20:46] sometimes I saw images failed to load [02:21:09] [1/2] oh [02:21:10] [2/2] `the server responded with a status of 503 ()` [02:31:06] [1/3] > Your favicon should be a multiple of 48px square, for example: 48x48px, 96x96px, 144x144px and so on. SVG files, of course, do not have a specific size. Any valid favicon format is supported. Google will rescale your image to 16x16px for use in search results, so make sure that it looks good at that resolution. Note: do no [02:31:06] [2/3] t provide a 16x16px favicon. [02:31:06] [3/3] Might be the issue, Miraheze does use 16x16px favicons. [02:40:20] Well, if we're using 16x16, then that's the problem [02:41:12] Yeah, if is. I checked the landing favicon at least it is for sure 16x16px. [02:41:20] *it is [02:41:37] is 16x16, so let's upscale it [02:50:57] Should we do a 48px square or larger? [02:54:02] Isn't SEO like 18 different formats and sizes to appease a selection of browsers and search engines? [03:16:18] probably, but Google is the only one that matters really ^ [03:17:37] I'd be interested in seeing if we could add support for some of the others, but for now, I think we can get away with using a scaled up favicon [03:19:08] @Orduin you have a minute by any chance? [03:20:51] Kinda, feel free to ask [03:20:57] see DMs [03:48:24] proud of myself haha https://github.com/miraheze/mediawiki/pull/14365 [04:25:47] leave some tasks for the rest of us :p [04:26:10] hehehe [04:26:21] though to be fair that and config changes are about all I know how to do right now [04:26:26] so that's my field lol [04:31:20] i only really do unfinished CSP additions and configurations, been wanting to add at least one extension but you take all of those tasks <:squint:755498402346827946> [04:31:34] apologies lol [04:31:38] will save one for you [04:31:51] though I will warn you it's not easy (and quite weird sometimes) [04:34:08] had one for [[mw:Skin:Splash]] but took too long to submit the PR :p [04:34:08] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Splash [04:34:09]

[04:34:29] I did that :p [04:36:03] might pick up a git for dummies book atp, knew what i was doing for the mw portion, had no idea what i was doing with the submodules and whatnot <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [04:36:24] it's just git CLI [04:36:34] kind of weird but not too bad once you get the hang of irt [04:36:42] still so trippy sometimes though [04:40:22] im too dumb for a cli for git, i have to use a gui or else I'll be looking at stack overflow for half an hour [04:40:40] reason #2 of why im not an sre member [04:41:28]

I want to create a page notice (template) that will direct users to the discussions page to see what is missing for that page and include a link for it but i am not sure how to make it so the link would go to the discussions page of the page that it is used on... any ideas or should i create a forum thread? [04:41:59] Could you clarify a bit? Your initial question was a bit confusing. [04:42:04] It's not that bad at all [04:42:13] If you want I can send you the list of commands I used to run it [04:46:43]

[1/8] yep! [04:46:44]

[2/8] > I have a template that i want to add to pages that are still under construction. [04:46:44]

[3/8] > in that template i want to have a link to the discussions page (so ppl can see what is missing) [04:46:44]

[4/8] > but i would like to have that link take them to the discussions page that it is called on [04:46:45]

[5/8] so lets say i have a page call "general" and one called "not general". both pages are works in progress (missing some info). i want to have a template that says to check the discussions page with a link to it. but when i use it on "general" it needs to go to the general page's discussion page and when used on "non general" it should go to not general's discussion page. [04:46:45]

[6/8] .. [04:46:45]

[7/8] ... but i don't want to have to edit it each time... [04:46:46]

[8/8] is that any better? [04:47:24]

if that is even possible... [04:49:43] Taking a look at , it looks like `{{TALKPAGENAME}}` does what you are looking for. So in your template, you'd do something like `[[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|discuss]]` [04:49:43] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:TALKPAGENAME https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%7b%7bTALKPAGENAME%7d%7dhttps://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%7b%7bTALKPAGENAME%7d%7d [04:50:33]

thankees!!! that's what i needed ! [04:53:01]

you are my hero... works perfectly! [04:53:10] @BWM feels like should be included in [04:54:45] No problem! The magic words, variables, and parser functions in MediaWiki can be rather powerful, but are also rather obscure and hard to find. [04:58:19]

i knew there had to be one but got stuck on trying to find it. but you guys are always super helpful and i appreciate it! [05:06:31] the only git command you need to know is git blame :p [05:07:02] what about git reset --hard? :) [05:12:24] That’s for when I manage to catastrophically destroy whatever I’m working on and need to go back [05:23:12] [1/4] > In order to rise from its own ashes, a phoenix must burn. [05:23:12] [2/4] ``` [05:23:13] [3/4] git push -f [05:23:13] [4/4] ``` [05:37:29] 😆 [06:18:37] [1/4] question for fellow css pokers [06:18:37] [2/4] I use divs w/ `display: flex; flex-wrap: wrap; justify-content: space-around;` to compose blocks on main page, and currently trying to reorganize them [06:18:38] [3/4] inside one of those div I got 2 vertical small divs, one under another vertically - but they stand too close to each other, and no matter `margin` I give one or another nothing changes [06:18:38] [4/4] does one of those higher rules nullifies margins? <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [06:19:52] I had to put a third "space" div between them lol [06:25:49] Try gap? [06:30:47] I didn't know about this one <:ThinkingHardMH:769233180799795221> [06:50:20] Iirc flexbox can overwrite stuff like margins ye [06:50:41] I'd take a look at the flexbox properties and text out in inspector [06:51:44] Haven't used one in a while as well haha [06:54:45] yee, I'm just doing things by memory now in mobile firefox lol (yes I like to torture myself) [07:09:30] [1/2] well, doesn't look bad? I'll try gap on laptop tho [07:09:30] [2/2] the only remaining problem for me are heights of these blocks, only "Help" has fixed height because of its "unchangeable" content [07:11:20] on second thought ... maybe I should swap "Help" and "Featured" ... [07:12:37] This is so 80s neon aesthetic and I love it very much. 😁 [07:12:47] thanks <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [07:13:18] I especially wanted to make it simple [07:13:54] at some point even thought about adding css "flickering" animation, but figured it can be annoying [07:14:24] only hover "light up" on other blocks [07:16:02] the thing is that neon signs aesthetic is inseparable from this particular band lol [07:32:46] They seem perfect as is judging by how much space they require [07:36:33] yeaa, tryed just now and it's even more headache to give them reasonable width values [08:07:42] Why is my wiki icon always blank when I try to change it? [08:08:57] [1/2] - what's icon's file format? [08:08:57] [2/2] - you sure you insert correct file link in settings? [08:09:13] It's a png, I'm sure the link is correct [08:09:46] you talk about favicon, that should appear in browser's tab? [08:10:02] both that and the icon on the wiki itself [08:10:14] there are 3 different things [08:11:01] I think I've found the problem, the URL had the wrong format [08:11:22] Yeah it works now [08:11:27] [1/3] favicon must be in .ico format [08:11:28] [2/3] "apple icon" serves same function for mobiles but should be .png [08:11:28] [3/3] the on wiki thing is logo, must be .png or .svg, 135x135px [08:15:40] favicon seems to work as a png anyway [08:18:54] Standard is ico, but it works in others also, depending on search engine and browser. [08:20:47] I see [08:27:37] hello guys! Maybe there's any news regarding Cargo? Just checked the whole chat history since the moment it was disabled... Void was trying to do some temporary fixes to make it kinda safe to use for the moment but haven't heard any updates lately. [09:57:59] I need opinions [10:02:36] stick with nr. 1 imo, News should always be one of the more prominent ones, so having to so narrow kinda "hides" it too much I would say, while also getting a bit cramped with how short the lines get [10:04:35] I second that. First option looks more appropriate and section sizes more logical then on the second one 🙂 [11:03:29] thanks for your feedback 👍 [11:36:03] anyone had experience w/ Wikipedia templates which replace `#ifexist`? [11:36:34] Exist, Exists and Linkless exists [11:47:48] [1/2] Hello! So my IP address is blocked (it says because it is in a range that is globally blocked across Miraheze) [11:47:48] [2/2] Is there a way I can be exempted from this block? [11:50:25] using VPN or proxy? [11:50:34] nope [11:51:15] you are trying to create account? [11:56:25] message cvt@miraheze.org with the IP address and the name you would like to be registered under [11:56:38] including those I should say [12:13:04] already have an account. was trying to reset password when it happened. [12:13:24] will do. thank you! [12:13:31] as raidarr said - email [12:13:44] yep. thanks again [13:39:27] Is there a way to view traffic to a wiki beyond the 30-day window provided in the MatomoAnalytics page of special pages? [14:23:08] SRE can provide additional data [14:24:55] yes i suppose so [14:24:55] will do [14:26:15] @Orduin done [14:30:32] Thank you Rhino! Could an SRE dm me if available concerning that <:EpicFaceMH:912930767972225095> [14:34:25] Please file a phab task detailing requirements [14:34:50] And it’ll be assessed in line with policy [14:34:56] They will provide what they can [14:35:07] Ah got it! [14:35:12] Goodnight! [14:35:27] Can i have a link to the policy? [14:36:52] I noticed a task about two of my wikis' config that I put up yesterday has not gotten any replies yet, normally I've gotten replies sooner; is there some kind of work schedule thing or a high volume of requests for configuration changes rn? [14:37:02] [[Privacy Policy]] [14:37:02] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy [14:37:03]

[14:37:17] Be patient. 2 days is nothing. [14:37:44] It is a holiday weekend though too [14:37:50] ah [14:38:10] All the team are volunteers, someone will action it when they have time [14:40:21] Ah that policy, i got you. Thanks! [14:49:03] sn requests are delayed at the moment [14:49:17] limited time and energy available for the few who can action [14:49:47] phabricator requests doubly so [14:49:52] I think they're referring to a Phab request [14:51:49] oh the cargo thing? @Stewards can take a look [14:53:02] I'm not seeing any SN request [14:53:54] not from him specifically no [14:54:14] didn't see a cargo request on sn but I may well have missed it [14:54:16] it's on phab haha; [14:54:31] apologies for the confusion [14:54:45] @Agent https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10702 [15:14:06] If I wanted to use this https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:SparqlClient.php in lua or as a parser function I’d need to make an extension right? [15:15:41] Yes [15:16:31] Note that there is no SPARQL support for Miraheze hosted WikiBase instances by SRE. The WDQS interface used on Wikimedia is hell to maintain. [15:17:59] I wonder how many wikis ever have decided cargo is more trouble than it's worth and switched back to semantic mediawiki [15:19:46] (technically sagan 4 has never used smw before but I'm the one who got cargo added in the first place bc I'd been told I have to use it instead of smw when I wanted to use nmw) [15:20:13] well that’s a problem 🤔, guess smw is the only alternative left [15:22:03] The Wikidata & Commons Query Service is extremely maintenance heavy and very brittle. It also doesn’t support multiple wikis well. [15:22:11] Each wiki needs its own entire cluster [15:23:10] If someone could come up with a non horrible query service for WikiBase that isn’t powered by Blazegraph and properly has WikiFarm support without needing significant resources per wiki, we’ll look into it. [15:24:47] wikibase, from a quick look at a comparison between it, cargo, and smw, seems to be very different from cargo and smw in ways that made it obviously completely unsuitable for use on Sagan 4 [15:25:47] WikiBase is designed for structured data across multiple wikis [15:26:22] So atm the Wikibase repository provided by miraheze can only interface with Wikibase client extension? [15:26:31] Yes [15:26:57] I’m not sure what the client’s API provides but we don’t have anything like query.wikidata.org [15:27:01] sagan 4 might have a use for cross-wiki data but we can do without it lol. all the drawbacks make it not worth it [15:28:17] anyway have I said how much I missed semantic mediawiki [15:28:31] Well that’s unfortunate since the client doesn’t have query capabilities [15:30:01] @ChaoticShadow it’s certainly unfortunate but we’ve spoken to the team behind it before and they didn’t really see a way forward [15:30:41] You aren’t the first to ask [15:30:59] But the effort it would take and resource cost is astronomical [15:40:11] That’s understandable, such resources would be better applied to bettering the farm over a select few wikis [15:43:03] And just to confirm, the issue with cargo is pretty ingrained in how cargo works? If and when cargo can get reenabled is smw the safer bet security wise? [15:46:14] Yes but there’s way we can deploy it that mitigate much of the risk [15:46:29] I’m not sure of how SMW works enough to comment on that 2nd part [15:54:08] I see [16:00:26] So it looks like semanticmediawiki is enabled by default. I setup my wiki using cargo because this wasn't available previously. Now it looks like I can't enable it or it's enabled but it's causing conflicts. [16:01:00] Is there a recommendation regarding converting all my templates to semantic? [16:03:38] I guess Disgustedorite can drop some hints as they are converting one of the wiki from Cargo to SMW [16:54:55] it does depend a little on how you are using cargo [16:56:12] with sagan 4 things are made easy because every single cargo query ran through one template that made formatting queries more like smw because I didn't like how much I had to type out [16:57:21] so after all the data storage was changed in the infoboxes and all the properties were defined, all we had to do was update that template and everything just worked [16:57:28] on the mason wiki anyway [16:57:48] still waiting for a response to my request for the other 2 sagan 4 projects to be switched to smw [16:59:08] if you have a lot of cargo queries just typed out in pages without going through templates it'll be a lot more work [17:06:30] how mant cargo tables do you have? [17:08:22] if you're storing data on more than one table on some pages, and said tables have overlapping property names, from what I understand about smw that may make things a little more complicated [17:13:08] I was gonna launch into a mega ramble but honestly I have no idea if my rambling would even make sense; I literally just learned smw by screwing around on someone else's wiki that uses it [18:35:16] I don't know, wasn't there a special page that allowed you to see all the cargo tables? That appears to be gone, so I'll have to find the templates that actually declare the tables. It's less than 10, though. [18:40:53] Looks like 5 tables. [18:48:40] are you storing data for multiple tables on the same page sometimes? [18:49:55] (see if there's overlapping pages in the list of pages the templates are transcluded on) [19:11:58] Oh yes, I'm definitely doing that. [19:13:29] Did you find any helpful resource; either a guide or just really great immediately usable info on SMW? [20:17:13] theres an official website for it with documentation [20:17:40]