[00:01:41] Seems to work [00:01:54] I meant excluding that [00:02:02] - [00:02:04] like google [00:02:04] Love the subject matter choice btw Void [00:02:10] Oooooh, gotcha, sorry. [00:04:43] anyway I guess someone hates naruto [00:04:55] I guess I never really thought about exclusion, as I'm usually only wanting to search in a couple of channels. [00:05:29] I hate searching on the sagan 4 servers bc people looking up species in sagan bot takes up so much of the results [00:06:57] Discord search kinda sucks feature wise but then again I shouldn’t expect search engine class querying capabilities 🤔 [00:25:15] 176 f-bombs in #general alone [00:27:58] Nice to see there are almost none in support [00:28:32] So, no one that fell off the face of the earth as a result. [00:32:13] hello [00:32:15] how’s it been [00:32:20] been on vacation for a few days [01:06:17] cargo's still disabled (and I'm still waiting for smw to be approved as a replacement for sagan4alpha and sagan4beta) [01:20:33] Well the GC requests seem to be decided - but they can’t get closed unless somebody can get a hold of John [01:24:12] (After a certain amount of time we would have to speak with Libera staff about adding a GC another way) [01:27:16] GC? [01:27:26] Group Contact [01:27:30] oh [01:27:34] It’s an IRC specific role [01:27:49] Kind of like Discord server owner [01:33:08] I see [01:33:39] Strange, my bot can't seem to log in anymore. Was working fine like yesterday [01:35:28] Don't think anything happened yesterday that would impact bots [01:36:30] I've been getting some 503's (mostly for CSS but occasionally for pages) today but would that affect logging in? [01:39:43] You'd have to check whatever logs it has to see what's up [01:44:14] Doesn't say much other than it's receiving malformed JSON [01:45:49] Weird, is it specifying format=json? Might want to poke around. [01:46:18] try and view the full output [01:49:55] looks to be specified already [01:52:41] just for testing purposes i logged into meta just fine [01:56:26] in this case malformed JSON is just 503 [01:56:55] bot asks /api.php for json, gets a HTML page instead (for 503) [01:58:54] I mean, that could be, but you shouldn't be seeing 503 that frequently [02:00:37] For pages it's sometimes happens but for CSS there's a few number of times that I get everything loaded in [02:03:19] Well that's convenient, was trying to grab an example of CSS not loading in and got this first try [02:21:06] @Meta-Wiki Administrators active vandalism on Meta, please assist [02:22:10] also MacFan4000 re GCs above: believe John needs to assist in order to do so (he should in the interests of MH) [02:22:28] but there may be a way we can request via Owen as the director of the Board [02:23:54] @BWM yes but you'dhave to get a hold of him and ask that the requests get closed [02:24:08] John can't close GC requests [02:24:18] well it's all unclear right now I suppose [02:24:24] Stewards probably would though [02:24:34] technically he can as the current GC [02:25:08] how so? [02:25:17] libera policies are not clear about what can be done when the only GC is unreachable [02:25:29] GC's can appoint GC per libera policies [02:25:32] sure but Miraheze rules trump IRC rules [02:25:38] for MH [02:26:14] again all unclear but that would also mean that GCs have all the power in the world to appoint/demote other GCs at will [02:26:21] which obviously wouldn't work for MH [02:27:13] GC appointment and remove is done manually by Libera staff, who are well accustomed to dealing with peer directed projects like MH [02:27:28] They wouldn't allow someone to randomly take over [02:27:30] uasually only a current GC can close a request for GC since they are the only ones who can request that the new person be added [02:27:54] theoretically yes but there has never been a GC request before [02:27:57] but there is no clear policy about what can be done if the only GC goes inactive [02:28:02] it's all uncharted waters [02:28:13] Sario: someone on behalf of MH could contact Libera right? [02:28:20] asking to have another GC appointed [02:28:21] Sure [02:28:23] so we'd have to talk to staff about it [02:29:03] anybody who can in some way verify affiliation with the company according to the policy [02:29:18] Do we know what email John used to det up the original project with Libera? [02:29:24] which would be the Board [02:31:00] He likely would have sent in the request from whatever email is attached to his IRC account [02:33:02] Could just leave a talk page message asking him to take a look. Most guaranteed way to make sure that he sees your message [02:33:12] https://libera.chat/chanreg/#how-to-register-as-a-project [02:33:20] "Our team will then get in touch with you and do a claim verification. These are done per case and usually contain some sort of check of domain / code repository ownership or the likes." [02:33:37] That definition is fairly lose and would not be limited to the board [02:33:51] loose* [02:40:53] I closed my request [02:50:04] hm [02:56:35] Alright I take it back, page 503's (for myself, not the bot) are rather frequent when logged in [05:53:54] hi sorry for the random ping but the admin on my wiki is interested in dabbling in smw, and i was wondering if we could have a look at the source code for the table you created using smw if thats alright? [06:05:02] It's not really a table [06:05:30] It's just like [06:07:16] `[[NameOfProperty::Value]]`, and if it's in an infobox you do it like `[[NameOfProperty::{{{ValueName|Default}}}|]]` somewhere, and then repeat that for everything you need [06:07:16] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bValueName https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/NameOfProperty::Value https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/NameOfProperty::%7b%7b%7bValueName [06:08:10] whispers what do these mean imma leave that to admin to parse [06:08:24] but so far we have only been using cargo for table making so i guess it might not be too far from that? [06:09:41] Well usually a cargo table will be storing data and it's not too hard to just directly translate each thing it's storing into smw [06:10:15] But you define whether it's a number or a string or a page on the page for the specific property, rather than in the infobox [06:10:37] oh [06:11:36] btw have you ever encountered any display issues with smw? like sometimes after editing a page that cargo draws values from, i would need to purge the cache to make the tables show up again [06:11:41] is there anything of that sort with smw? [06:17:05] Smw seems to handle things itself on Miraheze, which surprised me because that isn't the case on Fandom [06:17:16] Things just work on regular refresh [06:18:04] and I'm glad bc null editing 5000+ pages was always a pain [06:18:35] Though it's yet to be seen if it can actually handle that much [06:18:56] Cargo always quit populating the table a few hundred pages in [06:20:42] [1/2] I'd imagine to disable SMW I need to put in a request on the Steward's noticeboard just like enabling it? Didn't expect almost every other page request to have a 503 somewhere (page itself, or CSS, or both) after it being enabled. [06:20:42] [2/2] Altho, can't say it was definitely because of SMW, but the 503 page does show it so... [06:22:17] I haven't been running into that issue [06:22:40] Could depend on the wiki and how much you're using smw on it [06:23:39] DynamicPageList3 may be better to use in places where it can be used (like if you're just listing pages in a category) [06:26:01] Heck some properties may be feasible to have as hidden categories instead, Sagan 4 stores a species' ancestry as a category and uses dpl3 to show all species in that category on the ancestor's page [06:27:02] The thing is we haven’t even started using smw [06:27:48] So it’s not like we have any expensive queries because we have none [06:28:17] hmm ok im gonna put in the request and hopefully your other wikis get smw enabled oof [06:30:22] I looked around on sagan4mason and everything seemed alright over there so [06:30:34] Who knows what went wrong [06:31:04] they have a few other wikis that have pending requests for smw to be enabled iirc? [06:33:27] Yeah dmlwiki which is private and blue pages which I didn’t see any smw properties last time I checked [06:33:43] Quite strange. A few big wikis use SMW and rarely find issues [06:33:57] [[mh:rosettacode:]] comes to mind, for example [06:33:57] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/rosettacode: [06:33:58]

[06:35:18] I have no clue what’s going on since I haven’t even done anything with smw other than two #set calls [06:35:52] Figured a stable wiki is better than a broken one and might as well wait out the cargo fix [07:04:18] Are you sure it's smw and not a coincidental issue [07:05:12] When a wiki starts acting weird I always give it a day to see if it clears up [07:06:21] a 503 indicates that a server is either down or overloaded [07:07:40] I suppose having a ton of server-intensive extensions and customizations could make smw be the straw that breaks the camel's back (in which case you probably need to optimize) [07:08:13] But it could also just be a temporary issue on Miraheze's end [07:10:37] Sometimes Miraheze seems to just have bad server days that aren't reported here at all so [07:26:40] The frequency of the 503s for me has been one every half hour or so lately. [07:28:36] right now? [07:29:17] Yep, been working on a wiki and getting one every half an hour to 45 mins. Have to refresh twice to get the page bac up. [07:31:02] Has been like that for the better part of the evening. [07:31:45] Yesterday at least too, actually. [07:37:24] "WONTFIX: can't reproduce" \:P [07:37:36] quite strange, I haven't seen any 5xx errors for a while [07:37:39] Reception seems to be online [07:37:42] maybe I haven't been browsing Miraheze enough [07:40:55] Would definitely check to see if it is restricted to only that wiki or some other set of wikis. Might make it easier to investigate. Might also not give any useful results. [08:32:36] Hello guys! Any news regarding Cargo issue? [08:33:55] Not in our hands, but nothing public yet to share to my knowledge. [08:45:15] a table with 19657 rows worked fine [08:45:53] understood. Thanks! [10:36:08] Did something break with images? I've noticed directly trying to access any images on my wiki at the moment gives an "Unauthorized" error, seems like only half of them are loading right now. [10:36:43] I only noticed this because I saw the favicon was missing (I needed to update it anyway) and went to investigate, and now other images seem to be disapparing one-by-one. [10:37:41] I doubt this is relevant, but my wiki was one of the ones affected by db141, if that helps [10:38:07] Someone just needs to run a script to fix Swift... @Site Reliability Engineers ^ [10:43:03] Thought I was the only one lol, just created a post in support about it [10:43:51] My images are not showing and are just replaced by the link to it, and if I attempt to view the image directly, it says I'm "unauthorized" despite being the wiki owner [10:45:00] Basically all the images on my wiki are not showing up [10:45:15] yeah mine too [10:45:16] So I'm assuming this is a site-wide thing, then [10:45:25] There are images on mine showing up, but it's likely they were just cached [10:45:54] Glad to know it isn't just an individual thing and hopefully it can be fixed shortly [10:45:57] yep, having issues regarding images with my wiki as well [11:04:19] same here [11:13:41] Getting similar reports on AVID. Only experiencing it sporadically myself [11:18:20] Hello [11:18:50] I have a problem in mg wiki [11:20:53] Is it images disappearing? [11:21:18] I can't upload new images [11:22:20] I'm TV Provideri [11:22:29] Provider* [11:25:07] I think Swift is down [11:25:17] So that may be why [11:28:35] we are aware, swift is currently down [12:02:23] For those wanting to know what happened: https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10717 [12:03:22] Cloud11 runs a lot of Swift services (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Servers_on_cloud11), including the actual storage of files, so files do not work correctly, if at all. [12:38:31] Another disk :( [12:42:46] sigh [12:47:51] Hi! Could you help me? [12:50:54] Jaggernaut!: What's up? [12:53:08] I can't upload files, dear bot)) [12:53:16] This is known [12:53:22] We are looking into it [12:54:14] Thanks [12:54:36] Looks like one of the SSDs failed, so currently uploading files won't work until it gets fixed [13:04:28] Oh yes, I see that a ton of images aren't displaying now [13:04:29] /auth [13:09:33] Yeah, when it gets fixed, I'll be making a big, full backup again. [13:14:57] Just adding another error message to the pile, this is for mp3/ogg files fyi [13:17:35] yes all files will be affected [13:18:08] A notice will be going up shortly on File: and Special:Upload so users are aware [13:43:22] Seeing cloud11 issues I may have jumped the gun on it lol [13:45:43] Hello, is there any progress on finding an user friendly alternative to masseditregex? [13:47:45] i really miss replacetext [13:47:48] AWB maybe? [13:48:40] There are some ideas to make a new version of ReplaceText compatible with compression [13:49:31] This sounds like no one ran the setup script [13:50:07] Im gonna see if i can run AWB on linux using proton [13:50:50] and get it to work, as opposed to my last attempt with wine [13:55:01] Oh huh, but wouldn't that mean nothing SMW would work? [13:57:00] No it breaks the entire wiki [14:05:54] Oh fun, to get that run do I modify my previoous request or make a new one on the noticeboard? Or is that the wrong place to request a thing like that [14:10:18] no success [14:10:55] Im really looking forward then [14:14:15] i asked this earlier but i'm too lazy to search it up but [14:14:30] is there a way to make it so every edit from your wiki appears in a channel of the discord server associated with the wiki [14:17:15] Modify the previous request [14:17:25] No one should have handled it without running the script [14:17:39] Yep [14:17:51] There should be a discord notifications extension [14:18:03] Which will make a webhook url option appear in ManageWiki [14:19:39] okay [14:19:42] ill set that up [14:51:34] <光纪#9056> so what happened [14:51:50] I'm guessing someone who can run the script for enabling smw is still unavailable [14:52:02] <光纪#9056> My pictures on main page all fall to load [14:52:08] known issue [14:52:17] <光纪#9056> and it's really ugly now lmao [14:52:18] error across all wikis, waiting for fix [14:53:14] @光纪 there’s currently significant issues with the host that powers most of the Swift system [14:53:21] <光纪#9056> gotcha [14:53:56] We expect issues to last for a while longer. We’ve not been able to reach anyone with the correct knowledge on the team. [14:54:07] We will add this to the list. [15:01:02] Goodnight! [15:01:08] Hello [15:03:54] me when i saw my pages without iamges [15:03:59] https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/622411610107019265/1094277612341313646/OMG.gif [15:04:13] they look so bland and basic 😭 [15:04:55] Hello [15:05:01] I have a problem [15:12:09] images? yes, everyone has this problem, we are waiting for fix [15:25:18] is it safe to upload images even though they wont be visible? [15:25:46] If the file successfully uploads then yes [15:25:56] but some images fail to upload because [15:26:07] okay [15:26:10] ill just wait [15:26:12] I fully expect uploads to fail as the place where they get stored is having issues [15:26:21] I wouldn’t expect it to work [15:26:33] someone said they were able to upload a file [15:27:00] CosmicAlpha: knows most about Swift [15:27:35] So he can say what would happen if swiftac* is down [15:36:12] Is our files safe? WIll some files disappear due to the issue> [15:37:13]