[00:26:32] at least this issue isn't bad as db141 [00:27:03] i remain hopeful that the images will soon be fixed [00:27:15] same here [01:07:13] It's not as bad as the db141 debacle if there is no data loss. Data that is safe but inaccessible is better than data that is gone forever. [01:15:02] Does anyone know the answer to this question here? [01:15:20] True. [01:28:53] Don't know, sorry. [01:30:47] yeah, you'd specify the name [02:50:58] how can i post a server invite [02:52:22] This might be of some help to you. @Indy [02:53:28] epic [02:53:36] Indeed so [03:16:57] Any updates, fellas? [03:21:23] nioe [04:22:06] Unfortunately nothing new just yet to report. [04:57:28] Hello I come from fandom, they deleted and blocked me and my fandom wikis. [05:18:53] Me and my friends [05:19:20] and you want to create wiki on Miraheze? [05:20:26] as long as it doesn't violate Miraheze's content policy and other rules you'll be fine [05:21:47] if you managed to save wiki dumps from FANDOM you can import them to Miraheze [05:38:02] Okay but they’re gone gone [05:40:28] that sucks, sorry man [07:20:01] Yeah [07:21:57] Yeah, Fandom is getting crap. But if your wiki doesn't break any rules, we'll gladly accept you on Miraheze. [07:36:14] It really doesn’t I was inspired by someone. I always put the characters to the owners and such. [07:36:51] Other Characters and Media are put to their rightful owners [07:44:09] Hi all, I'm a moderator on AVID, figured I'd join here to keep up to date with the Cloud11 issues [07:46:18] Welcome! [08:03:29] [1/2] > getting crap [08:03:30] [2/2] > getting [08:03:34] it IS [08:06:41] I credit to all the owners of media and cartoon characters I use. [08:17:10] Hello 🙂 Where might I direct my request regarding a URL change of my Wiki? [08:17:22] [[Phabricator]] would be the venue [08:17:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phabricator [08:17:23]

[08:22:51] Yeah, I admit it, it's unrecoverable. [08:36:36] Just wanted to share my knowledge and ideas [08:50:52] Of course. [09:06:50] And some more [09:07:57] Proof I’ll never be liked there [09:08:17] Why don't you create a wiki on Miraheze? [09:08:38] Okay [09:09:23] What subject would you like to create a wiki on? [09:09:45] No sure [09:10:23] On what theme then? Entertainment? [09:11:18] What was your fandom wiki about before? [09:21:04] Cartoons [09:21:27] All the cartoons or one in particular? [09:25:32] All cartoons [09:27:51] Yes, so Fandom must have considered that the topic was too general, and duplicated all the wikis specialized in a single cartoon. [09:28:02] Hm [09:28:25] But Miraheze will accept the topic and allow you to create your wiki, the rules are more flexible. [09:35:33] Thanks [09:37:07] @AlienMoth Here for request: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWiki [09:37:18] Thanks [09:56:54] The announcement of allying with Wikiforge is interesting [10:53:21] so uhhh, what is that wikiforge thing? [10:55:32] some wiki farm or something [10:55:43] im not really sure [10:57:08] you can check out #miraheze-meetings cuz they're talking about that there [10:57:14] thanks [10:57:17] #miraheze-meetings [10:57:23] oops, forgot command [11:00:46] [1/3] The announcement tells something about the wiki. Also there is this Request for comment. [11:00:47] [2/3] The vote section is at the bottom of the page: [11:00:47] [3/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/RequestsforComment/Premium_offerings [11:01:28] Also in the channel #meetings you can meet and talk about the annoucement [11:02:42] Seems like the RfC is still a draft, so can't really comment there for now [11:05:32] Just read it, I can't say I like that idea [12:32:24] Orange_Star: anything in particular you don't like? [12:34:54] I mean, there's not really anything wrong with the service itself, I can see businesses appreciating being able to use their own SSO logins and things like that [12:36:42] My concerns are that this goes against what I though Miraheze stood for, is ultimately about using the Miraheze brand for some third party to financially benefit [12:37:02] we would benefit [12:37:26] Miraheze not so much, I could definitely see wikiforge appreciating being able to use the MH brand [12:37:58] It gets their foor in the door and gets them an initial audience [12:38:20] There wouldn't be financial benefit [12:38:31] All surplus revenue after server costs would go back to Miraheze proper [12:39:14] After server costs and after paying employees right? Or would it be volunteers too? [12:40:08] Well initially, it'd be volunteers. If paid devs want to be considered later on, it could be something done [12:40:13] That's a good question that should be covered in the page [12:40:44] I mean, if there's enough revenue that's being generated for paid devs, I'd expect them to also contribute to things like CreateWiki and ManageWiki to improve those extensions [12:41:08] so WF wouldn't be selfish and would contribute back to Miraheze proper [12:42:03] Ooh I see, so it would be exactly like miraheze, just a different team and paid. In that case, how do we know that a volunteer team will have enough capacity for that project? I understand that part of the problems miraheze has is server costs, but it's also the fact that with volunteer staff, availability is limited, right? [12:42:47] I'm ok with the idea in general, I'm just worried about the feasibility 🤔 [12:45:12] Especially since as soon as it's a premium service, it will be in competition with for-profit companies, so why should someone choose WikiForge over a company that does have paid staff and, therefore, has quicker reaction time when things go wrong and can provide better and faster customer support? [12:47:59] Adding to the questions by Ondo, the amount of people that are going to work on Wikiforge is potentially picked from the same pool of people that could volunteer in Miraheze? @Agent [12:50:49] oh [12:50:57] just learning about WikiForge now [12:51:20] <2x2Master#7039> Is literally anyone here gonna fix the image problem on the wiki [12:51:27] <2x2Master#7039> The pcb wiki uses a fuckton of images [12:51:27] @2x2Master Watch your language. [12:51:35] ignore the bot [12:51:48] which problem? [12:52:06] They are working on it, see #announcements and #Images Not Showing Up (Unauthorized Access?) [12:52:06] The problem with Cloud11 I assume [12:52:11] <2x2Master#7039> Whatever this is [12:52:49] [1/2] it's probably the thing with cloud11 and swift [12:52:49] [2/2] I'm not part of the staff itself so I'm not sure about the progress [12:53:02] [1/3] Give them time [12:53:02] [2/3] It takes more than 30 seconds to solve issues like this [12:53:02] [3/3] If I had a dollar for every person who demanded it be fixed now I'd be rich [12:53:21] Last I heard things weren't exactly going well [12:54:04] Void posted an update at phab https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10717#216236 [13:28:27] the worst thing about the outage is that [[mh:backrooms:Level Fun]] is broken 😦 [13:28:27] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/backrooms:Level_Fun [13:28:27]

[13:30:35] also [13:30:40] WHAT THE HELL IS THIS CSS [13:31:37] CSS is a really good game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike%3A_Source), what do you mean /s [13:31:49] God that hurts my eyes [13:32:26] dark mode is broken on most skins :p [13:32:47] and oH [13:33:09] i'm blue dababa dee daba die [13:33:50] i mean monaco as well [13:37:53] welcome to reception wiki design [13:37:59] it's notoriously terrible [13:38:11] i don't remember them looking this ugly [13:38:38] that was a popular design for a majority of reception wikis, the rest were either unstyled or just plain strange [13:38:49] the character wikis are the only ones I would say have got it right [13:39:00] backrooms wikidot was just yellow for almost a year [13:39:14] ah reception wikis [13:39:16] and some people actually liked it 🤷 [13:39:23] I tried to make an alternate that was a little more thought through, but even that wasn't very good [13:39:28] the wikis that make tables [13:39:33] a main page [13:39:37] my attempt is the ones with more lines and styled header buttons [13:40:07] the main page system was always horrible and I never did figure out an arrangement that I liked for them [13:40:38] that is another thing I think the character wikis have got right [13:40:44] i mean it's pretty ok for 5 12 year olds [13:40:57] it was an effort [13:41:04] it probably worked on the designer's screens [13:41:15] Rip mobile users [13:41:23] yeah, mobile was always screwed [13:41:30] they might've been using school chromebooks which have like a 480p display [13:41:52] though in practice it wasn't that bad outside the main page because they just defaulted to minerva [13:42:09] I don't like minerva but I like it better than typical rw design [13:42:39] i use pivot for [[mh:backrooms:Main Page]] and for some reason search is broken 🤷 [13:42:39] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/backrooms:Main_Page [13:42:40]

[13:42:55] there are various little things broken for the off-brand skins sadly [13:43:25] search works for me though [13:43:29] ratepage doesn't display and neither does the sitenotice [13:44:17] ratepage may be a compatibility thing requiring a patch or hack of some sort, but I know ratepage does not play well with multiple skins [13:44:30] sitenotice should work universally but I haven't tested all configurations [13:44:35] it worked about a year ago but it stopped working :p [13:44:47] might require a local hack and testing to see if the skin really did brick it [13:45:06] I was never too fond of pivot, so I haven't tested it much specifically [13:45:28] vector doesn't work either [13:45:58] nvm the sitenotice is there [13:46:03] on monaco [13:46:12] I'd have to look into it then [13:46:29] to be honest I have sort of a long list of things to look at though :p since the rfs is going well I have to start thinking about steward backlog [13:46:36] so far there's 14 things and counting to look into [13:46:42] damn [13:47:14] I'm still taking suggestions as well, if it isn't on the SN, RFRW or CN [13:47:25] I know there's a guy who had an account problem I need to follow up on [13:53:24] also something funny [13:53:56] https://tenor.com/view/lenny-eyebrow-flirt-smile-gif-5516050 [13:54:36] that was a weird closure [13:54:42] <2x2Master#7039> Reception wikis seem like a cesspool of pure autism [13:54:48] <2x2Master#7039> Usually I just keep to myself [13:55:06] <2x2Master#7039> Everything on miraheze except for pcb seems like cancer [13:55:13] you are so late man [13:55:22] they're gone from Miraheze [13:55:25] I was tracking until you excluded pcb from cancer [13:55:53] pcb is famous for being the one flavor of wikis that had to be smacked down harder than the reception wikis when they were still a problem [13:56:04] <2x2Master#7039> PCB can definitely have it's cringe at times [13:56:06] it has since shaped up somewhat but only because its cancer is not allowed to flare on the wiki [13:56:08] * reception wikis are gone from Miraheze [13:56:44] a website populated by 13-year-olds is bound to end up in spergatory if the admins don't really put their foot down [13:56:52] pcb/anarchy had to make radical changes to exclude the entire community element from actually appearing on the wiki or it would have been shut down [13:56:57] <2x2Master#7039> Idk but pcb seems better than "drawn fanon feet wiki" [13:57:02] so a pcb resident talking about cancer seems rather ironic [13:57:02] what [13:57:21] dfw is a weird cringy bit on the fringes of the platform that at least keeps to itself [13:57:32] and the more problematic ones in the feet vein are dead and buried [13:58:05] between feet, reception and political polandball wikis you have a rather tiny fraction of what actually exists on miraheze at this point [13:58:06] one time i complained on [[wikia:backrooms]] about there being too many underaged users and all the comments were pretty much "i'm (insert age)" [13:58:06] https://www.wikia.com/wiki/c:backrooms [13:58:07]

[13:58:29] there are over 6k wikis man [13:58:37] just sayin [13:58:55] if there's any benefit i've noticed that wikia has a lot of high-quality wikis which miraheze lacks [13:59:10] miraheze kinda has a reputation for low-quality wikis [13:59:13] I suggest to end this convo as it seems rather unproductive [13:59:19] Good thing comments are not enabled by default on miraheze [13:59:23] https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787 [14:01:03] wikia is a rather huge platform that is orders of magnitude larger tha nus [14:01:39] I assure you the amount of abandoned/junky wikis on fandom alone are many times the volume of miraheze combined: and that's the thing about platforms at scale [14:02:09] most free services have many strange corners or huge swathes of desert and abandonment; it is just the way of things [14:02:26] true [14:03:54] Where does Cosmos store the page content in the html?# [15:38:25] [1/2] In my opinion, both farms have very high quality wikis, their content itself does not depend on the platform but on their editors, if a wiki has a large community on X topic, the quality of said wiki is presumed (it is not a rule but it is the common denominator) [15:38:25] [2/2] What essentially differentiates both platforms beyond who has better quality wikis, is the service offered to these communities in terms of tools and customization of their wikis, where, in my opinion, Miraheze is better , and in ads, the joke tells itself [15:48:55] wikia has a monopoly so they can pretty much do anything and nobody would care beyond silent protests [16:44:16] What happens if swiftac cannot be repaired? [16:50:30] We don’t know [16:56:48] End of Miraheze: mass suicide, global catastrophe and rising depression rates all over the world. [16:58:37] dude [16:59:23] Well, we have to laugh about it. [17:11:09] SRE team is best positioned to talk about what is/isn't possible on such hypotheticals, but I doubt it will go to such extremes as the 'end of miraheze'. 🙂 [17:24:21] images seem to be OK, this isn't as bad as november [17:24:25] just rights are broken [17:34:04] Does anybody know any working wikitext parsers [18:40:28] images still do not load... [18:41:07] I have a post I wanted solved [18:42:21] light_angel: yeah, they won't until https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T10717 is solved [18:43:54] i still trust the HDDs more than the SSDs when it comes to reliability and recovery options. [18:49:35] Still troubles with pictures. 😦 [18:49:40] yes [18:51:45] Sadness. [18:52:04] Let's just hope before end of April everything will be okay! 🙂 [18:52:33] But I say ya something funny. [18:52:47] This place seems less active now [18:53:15] Favicon works at some arts at my websites. <:ThinkingHardMH:769233180799795221> [18:54:05] Eyrith: #miraheze-feed looks pretty lively considering all that's going on, wdym? [18:57:56] i only use Discord [18:58:24] What about non bot posts though? [18:58:40] bots don't show up on #miraheze-feed [18:59:03] it's a feed of all public wikis, contains only non-bot edits, don't know if that channel exists in Discord though [18:59:57] #global-wiki-feed [19:01:52] Either way, I hope I get help for my pytion problem soon# [19:02:05] pytion? [19:02:07] ]It is a MediaWiki related python problem [19:02:47] and what's the problem? [19:03:23] [1/4] I have this code https://pastebin.com/yDUkJbum [19:03:23] [2/4] But it does not remove all metadata, category info, and headings from a text parsed from an MediaWiki xml dump. It the regrex is there, but appears not to be stripping eveything [19:03:23] [3/4] Please ping me on replies so I see the reply [19:03:23]