[00:22:13] Dammit [00:24:44] Interesting, I've just tried to authenticate myself twice now, both times I got a response that authentication was successful, however there is seemingly no reflection on the Discord. [00:25:00] Is there a delay between myself being authenticated and it appearing on Discord? [00:26:21] i was also, experincing issues with auth [00:27:03] i am getting a 503 Backend fetch failed, on moviepedia wiki [01:03:13] * test [01:03:15] ohhhhhhhh [01:35:35] @Orduin could you see DMs? just when you get a chance [01:38:21] Bruh [01:51:44] I see the issue; WikiNapBot says you don't have private messages enabled (message in #offtopic ), which is required to successfully authenticate your accoutn [02:01:04] I've already enabled them and tried [02:01:12] Twice now [02:20:40] Multiple people does seems to have issues with the bot today, so something more than normal might be up with it [06:25:24] Perhaps, as I've done the test twice (with a different link sent both times) it's sent me in DMs and both times it has told me the Authentication has been successful. [07:47:36] Here's a wiki idea/request for Miraheze that will seriously make the entire platform popular: a wiki about TikTok at tiktok.miraheze.org [08:01:09] I highly doubt a single wiki will make the entire platform suddenly blow up [08:01:39] Though a tiktok wiki would still be cool [08:03:32] [1/2] you should brave poor souls to maintain it first lol [08:03:32] [2/2] and somehow prevent it from the fate of reception and real life villains wikis [08:03:33] Can you explain to me what "implicit groups" mean? [08:10:25] @Legroom anyways, another question: since I'm back and decided to create a new account (CoolieCoolster1) and want admin rights on a wiki I used to be an administrator on (podpedia.miraheze.org) in my old account (CoolieCoolster), how can I do that? My old account no longer works. [08:12:38] whentochter: implicit groups are groups that cannot be assigned through Special:UserRights and which do not have a list of users. They are most commonly groups assigned automatically by mediawiki after meeting certain conditions, like * and autoconfirmed [08:12:43] a steward will answer this question better than me, I can see an accounts merge request and request for rights on a wiki, both usually asked via Stewards Noticeboard [08:12:58] Messing with implicit groups is not recommended [08:15:48] unless you are able to recover the old account the process to 'usurp' a wiki you once operated is a bit messy [08:16:43] accounts are typically not merged as mentioned above because the confirmation to do so must be absolute to the extent you'd be able to get into the original account anyway [08:17:04] yes but I am willing to return to administrating the wiki, since all of the other admins are now inactive [08:18:33] depending on the wiki I see two things happening: 1. you attempt to 'usurp' the old username, which would require a week or so, and 2. a local election or if the the place is very dead and there's no community to comment, a provisionary appointment [08:21:08] the place is too dead and there are barely any edits by people, and most of the contributions that show up are just welcome messages [08:21:58] and for some reason, someone has even changed the welcome message to say that they are editing on a new wiki [08:22:25] which wiki was this [08:24:27] My wiki is podpedia [08:24:30] And they said they moved to podcastdb.f*ndom.com [08:24:50] what a downgrade [08:25:23] well, I've just updated it recently so there may be holes, but I think my essay for adoption applies on this: [[User:Raidarr/Adoption process]] [08:25:23] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Raidarr/Adoption_process [08:25:24]

[08:26:33] the wiki is probably adoptable as described including not requiring local election to secure rights from what I see [08:28:06] you know there's an interesting twist here too... do you control the domain name? [08:30:52] Yes, or at least used to in my old account [08:42:04] Alright, I've posted a topic onto Stewards' noticeboard, hope I get my rights back! [08:45:21] the domain name would be under an entirely different account [08:45:59] I would be able to assign with confidence if the domain name ownership could be proven, but that first hinges on being able to access whatever registrar you use to have a custom .org domain [08:47:11] From there I'm not sure what the best option is, I don't know if your registrar would allow you to put a custom file/message up somewhere on the domain (without screwing with podpedia itself) that would explain you lost your miraheze account [08:48:27] You can put and likely confirm a txt record. [08:49:03] I'd advise that, probably not hard to get it to happen - but we'll want to know if the registrar account is accessible either [08:49:27] if not, that complicates things a little more and is a bad thing to lose [08:56:11] it didn't [08:56:15] the registrar account is inaccessible [09:04:44] that's very unfortunate and could have consequences for the wiki's uptime in the future, irrespective of recovering rights [09:05:17] by the book I suppose, I'll hopefully get to it today but a few things are first for me to reply to/address [09:05:29] unless another steward is handy to process [09:21:18] [1/2] Someone tried to reset my password for my Miraheze account on one of my wikis, presumably being the same person who then created a copycat account (CoolieCoolster1). I've since banned their copycat account and associated IP address from editing the wiki, but how would they have been able to guess my email address to issue a password reset request? Also, is their account valid bey [09:21:19] [2/2] ond that wiki alone (as I don't want them trying to impersonate me on other wikis)? [09:22:22] well now [09:22:53] you can ask @Tolfi as the person who's trying to assume control over podpedia [09:23:49] you don't need to know the email to try a password reset: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Resetting_passwords [09:24:02] Ah okay good [09:26:29] @Tolfi Why are you trying to impersonate me? [09:28:34] Hey there, it seems there has been a misunderstanding. I am not trying to impersonate you, Coolie. In fact, it was Tolfi who tried to impersonate you by creating a copycat account. I understand your concern and I can assure you that I am not Tolfi. I apologize for any confusion or inconvenience caused by Tolfi's actions. [09:29:24] Explain this comment then? [09:30:33] considering he's now playing coy I think there's not much left for him here tbh [09:31:10] goodbye tolfi 👋 [09:31:10] I just don't get why they're doing it [09:31:34] someone with a bone obviously [09:32:04] in any case they are knocked out on-wiki and I will make a record of it [09:32:23] ejected from discord now as well [09:36:26] I can't believe that [09:36:45] Bro really tried to claim he was someone who is literally active in here [09:36:57] Then did the worst backpedalling I've ever seen when he was called out [09:38:56] I assume they expected I wasn't active since I haven't edited Podpedia in a while, but it's still odd [09:39:13] I knew they weren't really being honest about that.... things just didn't add up... [09:39:39] Doesn't seem they were from the Fandom wiki they linked to as far as I can tell either [09:40:16] You don't completely loose access to Wiki account, and register account... Especially register, that isn't something you just loose access too, it would be very bad to anyway... [09:40:44] I had an eyebrow up at registrar [09:40:53] I was 90% sure. [09:40:53] glad it worked out before needing to dig [09:41:09] Yeah, good thing there.... [09:41:37] coolie last posted on the 18th so the next step would be to inquire if he lost that account too [09:41:47] now that would have been very very very odd [09:42:02] you can only stack that so many times [09:42:49] obviously going to need to look out for that one going forward because this is probably the most bold attempt I've seen [09:44:05] I had once lost access to all my accounts, because my phone was destroyed loosing all 2FA codes, but eventually managed to get back in to some through backup procedures and physical identify verified, it isn't super easy to loose it all though, and 2FA being enabled could easily be checked... [09:44:44] @Cocopuff2018, read above: that is exactly why we need to approach account stuff with a level of skeptecism [09:45:04] hello [09:45:37] hello there [09:45:56] I am 99% sure Cocopuff is who they say, per a DM conversation they knew things and past private conversations between them. But there is always that 1% that can't be proven without on-wiki verification. [09:46:21] I'm reasonably convinced as well but the principle stands [09:46:51] Yeah, it is good to go the 100% [09:47:02] Guess I'll have to check on Podpedia more often just to make sure they don't try that again; wouldn't have known to check if I hadn't seen the password reset request... [09:47:42] yeah, sorry you ended up with that [09:47:46] No worries [09:47:59] Re the question about email, anyone can request password reset by just username I think, I don't think they need your email. [09:48:05] they don't [09:48:14] you're in trouble when they can message me "their" email >.> [09:48:32] even then it's not impossible but certainly implies a level of stalking [09:49:09] that doesn't seem secure at all [09:49:14] Probably would have been possible had they tried hard enough, but that certainly would have been weird at another level [09:49:27] That would imply we had a potential privacy leak our end if so also, and something that would have to be investigated [09:49:37] oh wait a minute, yes they do [09:49:45] Well it sends the email, nothing can be done with it. [09:49:53] they evidently must have known it [09:49:57] I don't think so... I have without it before [09:50:17] yeah but what if the email was set to somebody else's? [09:50:32] then your account was already compromised [09:50:41] the system only sends reset to the email on file [09:50:44] You only enter username, leaving email blank. Only one or the other ks needed. [09:50:54] Oh I see, I misunderstood the form [09:50:58] so it's basically a enter the one you know form [09:51:03] one of the fields, right [09:51:20] like if u have an email called alexandre@gmail.com and you're trying to access CosmicAlpha's account by resetting their password, with only CosmicAlpha being required, isn't it pretty insecure [09:51:23] Not the best design.... [09:51:42] irrelevant unless they can also use alexandre@gmail.com to finalize the reset [09:52:02] It would send the password reset email to my email in that case. [09:52:08] Has to be valid. [09:52:21] Or that would indeed be the security leak of the century [09:52:25] oh, makes sense [09:52:42] but you don't need an email address to make an account on miraheze or even wikipedia if i can recall [09:53:00] there's no resetting at all if there is no email: you forget and don't have another measure, it's gone [09:53:00] Correct, but then you can't ever reset it. [09:53:16] oh ok [09:53:28] sre has a couple extra, but obscure methods to allow recovery that users can set up on their account [09:54:56] Still would have to verify some way. [09:55:00] indeed [09:55:21] And without any email at all makes it very complicated and rare to be able to do. [09:55:38] An email you can't access is different and can be confirmed but none is hard. [09:56:46] Hopefully a one-off troll, in any case. [09:56:48] and miraheze fairly aggressively rebuffs bad pw attempts, the first clear problem for no email [09:56:51] yeah, hopefully [10:11:35] damn [10:25:30] [1/2] anyone having problems w/ `#ifexist:`? when I set up template w/ it seemed to work fine, now idk what's wrong [10:25:30] [2/2] I have pages for 21 and 22 April but neither show up, template returns placeholder [10:27:41] nvm I'm dumb lol [10:28:03] I forgot to add `Template:` ... [10:37:27] Tolfi at least wasn't lying about the fact that someone defaced Podpedia's new user message four days ago to try to send people to Fandom instead... [11:51:26] @Coolie you can enable it in settings so they need both username and email to reset [11:51:41] But it’s one or the other by default [11:52:06] In case you forget your username or email [11:53:18] The most convincing lies are indeed the ones that have a tiny speck of truth in them [11:57:39] [1/2] "In fact, it was Tolfi who tried to impersonate you" [11:57:39] [2/2] Bruh literally the username [11:57:46] Such a brutal fail [11:58:28] For shame, glad he's gone lmao [11:59:12] Yeah was kinda hurting my brain reading that comment [12:00:15] [1/2] "I am actually not tolfi" [12:00:15] [2/2] Literally "I'm not me, I'm, uh, John Cena" [13:32:25] I'm not gonna lie, the trolls/vandals who are extremely obvious are the funniest [13:32:54] I know us staff at AVID have a good giggle over some of the obvious trolls' attempts, they're so bad you just can't help it... [13:33:34] Yeah lmfao [13:35:38] We have literal socks who register accounts that LITERALLY have their name in them [13:35:48] Failing that, they'll put it somewhere on their userpage. [13:36:44] Makes it nice and easy to weed them out though so no complaints there. [14:09:17] Fandom's sock [14:32:07] Goodnight! [14:51:45] tags thread on CN got archived rip [14:57:25] btw, gonna blow your minds a bit more 😉 [14:57:52] and what a coincidence [14:58:11] 🤣 [15:01:30] I can't believe this guy, absolutely insane if he thinks spamming it everywhere is gonna work [15:01:50] that'll totally not attract a group of immature 13 year olds trying to self promote or bash others [15:04:51] [1/2] true [15:04:52] [2/2] He has some weird comments on Wiki.gg server, mostly about how "Fandom users are stupid", and how everybody should destroy Fandom, but it does not make sense to talk about that guy. [15:07:32] the april fools logo lowkey went hard, bring it back [15:43:30] Is it just me, or did Miraheze suddenly get slow [15:45:02] Nvm, it's back to normal [15:47:32] It’s not just you [16:13:54] <1+1Romania#5149> Hello [16:14:03] <1+1Romania#5149> I am Mushimoon [16:14:26] <1+1Romania#5149> The one with Bestpedia in the process [16:15:10] <1+1Romania#5149> @Tali64 am văzut mesajul tău [16:15:20] <1+1Romania#5149> I've seen your message [16:17:31] [1/2] “Age: 11” [16:17:31] [2/2] <:BanCatMH:766487714262155276> [16:19:01] Your Discord profile says that you're 11; you have to be at least 13 to have an account on Miraheze [16:20:45] <1+1Romania#5149> I want to make myself a new wiki [16:22:28] <1+1Romania#5149> How can I proceed [16:24:00] I explained that creating another wiki identical to your previous one is a violation of our Content Policy [16:26:50] <1+1Romania#5149> But how to proceed [16:29:11] Just wait, your wiki will be fixed soon [16:31:44] @Tali64 err no [16:33:38] @1+1Romania which wiki did you request? [16:34:14] @Reception123 err no [16:34:16] DM now [16:52:21] someone else got kicked? [16:52:56] 🤔 [16:53:01] Never a dull moment hey? [16:53:15] Please move on [16:54:47] ok ok [17:01:14] I do miss Blueheze, maybe it'll come back next year. [17:02:30] Yeah the Blueheze logo was pretty nice for sure [17:08:11] I'll definitely make it the logo of my absurdity wiki if it's approved (speaking of which, check the request queue) [17:10:58] Wait, how does that even work, when a WC request a wiki, I assume a different WC will have to approve then or what? [17:11:25] It's standard practice for another WC to approve a request that a WC makes [17:11:55] Yep. Nothing technically preventing a WC from creating a wiki outside of request queue or approving their own request, it's just extremely bad form to do so. [17:32:26] Where I can vote and when Will be open the vote ? I dont want that miraheze has the premium of OmegaInfinitum [17:32:49] It’s open [17:33:17] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Premium_offerings [17:33:26] Thanks [17:35:08] man why do you say "OmegaInfinitum" [17:38:21] Good question [17:43:05] If you have any suggestions for specifics on the service (apart from not doing it), feel free to say them in #meetings [19:22:53] Hi! [19:25:37] Hello, I can't upload files. It gives swift error. [19:25:56] Could you help? There is a problem. [19:26:35] Reception123: ^ [19:26:52] uploading works for me [19:26:57] IRC is better than Discord :D [19:27:16] revolt.chat > irc and discord [19:28:12] @Fiddlestix#9401 I don't know how it is :D [19:29:04] has the feel of discord but open-source and privacy focuses [19:29:13]