[05:45:06] @Discord Administrators quick question for the admin team: consider making the interwiki channel on the server accessible by default for GIWAs? [05:45:06] so they can see and process the requests [05:45:06] cvt channel for CVT, tech community and sre for SRE, etc. [06:08:10] Interwiki channel is public, there's no permission-gating... [06:08:33] Not clear on what your ask here is... [06:10:30] no, it seems you need a special role to gain access to it [06:11:25] Mmmh, you're talking about #interwiki-requests or something else? [06:11:26] that channel [06:11:41] I need to navigate to the Channels & Roles tab to se eit [06:11:46] and select an option [06:12:54] That's a discord feature not a role [06:13:03] Oh? [06:13:08] It's a stupid feature too [06:13:44] Yeah, the channel should be available by default, to my understanding... There's no permission-gating. [06:14:30] @NotAracham you now get asked if you want to see pretty much every channel when you join the server [06:14:53] On the welcome page [06:14:53] Ah, got it. [06:14:55] You can choose to tick or untick stuff [06:15:26] you have to opt-in as opposed to opt-out [06:22:49] [1/2] Random unrelated question: What's the thing/syntax that lets you do inline CSS on templates? [06:22:49] [2/2] I seem to recall it's something like {{#CSS:}} [06:22:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23CSS:Template: [08:30:25] Is there any way to change colors of Anisa? [08:30:27] The skin? [09:03:27] usually vis CSS [09:06:09] Do you know the url to get to a the CSS of Anisa? [09:06:23] MediaWiki:Anisa.css? [09:07:13] Pardon? [09:11:49] [1/2] skin specific css is usually at [09:11:49] [2/2] `.../wiki/MediaWiki:`name of the skin`.css` [09:12:07] for Cosmos it's `MediaWiki:Cosmos.css` [09:12:08] etc [09:13:03] many years ago Wikia used to have several skins and they had their own CSS pages as well [09:14:49] by default CSS pages are empty, you should fill the w/ code [09:19:40] This section? [09:44:51] yes, but that's for Cosmos skin, not Anisa [09:45:17] for Anisa should be `MediaWiki:Anisa.css` [10:02:52] Oh right! [10:02:54] duh [10:03:03] but it's blank? [10:32:20] yeah, by default, like I said previously [10:32:45] ^ [10:54:02] Ah.. Are there premade or already written css's that I can copy paste? [10:56:35] [1/3] for Anisa particularly? [10:56:35] [2/3] I've personally never seen this skin in the wild lol [10:56:35] [3/3] but for everyone CSS modification process is the same - browser's element inspector and web tool [10:57:24] So take the element inspector and take the rest of the CSS? [10:59:32] [1/2] element inspector will help you to find classes/id's of elements you want to modify + see how they change live, temporarily w/o big edits [10:59:32] [2/2] once you got yourself a code piece to modify stuff ypu should type and save on that CSS page [11:00:45] Class and Id. Noted. Am I looking for any spesfic words [11:01:20] If I just do Ctr + F and type CSS would that work? [11:04:26] So, after getting that CSS info, do I make a new page called like "MediaWiki:New.css" or something? [11:06:04] no, you type in ...Anisa.css [11:06:16] you don't have experience w/ css, aren't you? [11:06:53] also no [11:07:55] [1/2] for example, you want to change background color [11:07:55] [2/2] right click in some empty bg area and choose "element inspector" or something similar, depending on what browser you're using [11:08:25] obvious huh? haha [11:09:06] [1/2] doing so will open a console w/ pages HTML code and it would highlight the area and associated to it code piece [11:09:06] [2/2] the console will also have a field w/ css properties of that code piece [11:09:51] Ye! I got that so far. I know how to open element inspector but from there, it's just.. alot of code that makes little to no sense, but I'm more then willing and able to learn. Time will come [11:10:35] ^ [11:10:43] changes you make in that css area is what you should copy past into wiki's css page [11:10:57] Oooh, ok. So what do I look for in the console? [11:11:07] JustCallMeR: I recommend checking out https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/Getting_started_with_the_web/CSS_basics [11:11:10] now, I suggest you to check css tutorials on w3c school [11:11:25] it's hard to modify css w/o understanding it [11:11:47] or the link Orange Star suggested, also good [11:12:54] I appreciate the help. Sorry about the issues haha [11:14:22] [1/2] don't be sorry [11:14:22] [2/2] it's just learning [11:15:38] I'm just not sure what to look for in the actual elements themselves [11:17:02] that means you need explanation how web pages work in general tbh [11:17:22] please check tutorials [11:17:58] w3c school and mozilla are the best [11:19:26] Would that be learning the HTML? [11:26:54] Learning HTML is a good first step, makes learning CSS easier [11:28:36] I don't it's possible to get CSS w/o getting HTML [11:28:47] IMPOSSIBLE lol [11:28:54] so yeah [11:29:18] my head goes round [11:29:54] sorry IRC users I constantly edit my messages [11:42:05] Ah thats ok [11:45:26] Oh ok, it [11:45:33] It's not too difficult [11:45:35] It makes sense [11:53:42] [1/8] ```The declaration defines that this document is an HTML5 document [11:53:42] [2/8] The element is the root element of an HTML page [11:53:42] [3/8] The element contains meta information about the HTML page [11:53:42] [4/8] The element specifies a title for the HTML page (which is shown in the browser's title bar or in the page's tab) [11:53:43] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [5/8] The <body> element defines the document's body, and is a container for all the visible contents, such as headings, paragraphs, images, hyperlinks, tables, lists, etc. [11:53:43] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [6/8] The <h1> element defines a large heading [11:53:43] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [7/8] The <p> element defines a paragraph``` [11:53:44] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [8/8] This makes sense in my head [11:54:18] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> but it doesn't explain what I'm looking for when searching for the Anisa CSS [11:56:52] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> btw, for anyone who didn't know. Obsidian supports Native HTML! isnt' that great [12:15:43] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> this seems appropriate for a support thread [12:16:04] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> You're right. [12:16:07] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> in any case finding what exact elements you are looking for usually comes down to picking exact ones with inspect element [12:16:27] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> however to use that correctly you at least need an idea of classes and ids, which are usually what you want to select as opposed to entire pieces of html [12:16:48] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> from there it can be trial and error even when you have the needed cursory understanding [12:17:41] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> a lot of css changes can be reliably tested in your personal css space, where hitting preview shows exactly what the code does and gives you something to use on the main wiki's css file (which takes longer to update and isn't good to test with). [12:18:19] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Oooh, the one you find in "appearances" that's smart [12:34:18] <MirahezeRelay> <Galvatron#7828> Any stewards with dms open available atm? could use some assistance [12:59:56] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> #FF0000 [13:00:32] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> I don't understand. Why would it tell me.. to not use the html format when it's using it? [13:03:11] <MirahezeRelay> <Gummiel#0001> Because you are writing HTML, when you should be writing CSS. While knowledge with HTML helps to understand CSS, they are NOT the same thing [13:04:05] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> OOOOH! So it's entirely different? [13:04:19] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> It's like going to a cafe in Berlin and talking French [13:04:23] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> like.. "wtf did you say? weirdo" [13:12:01] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> you need to understand basics of HTML [13:13:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> but CSS is an addition made to make styling/visual easier [13:15:31] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> HTML tags can have assigned class or id, and CSS applies styling according to that class/id [13:17:07] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [1/6] for example, the element is `<div class="welcome">` [13:17:07] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [2/6] and in CSS it will have rules and parameters: [13:17:07] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [3/6] `.welcome { [13:17:08] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [4/6] background: pink; [13:17:08] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [5/6] color: white; [13:17:08] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [6/6] border: 3px solid green; }` [13:17:21] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> The issue I'm having is that the tutorial is teaching about colors but in terms of highlighted around the text, not the actual page [13:17:48] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> you should find class of background [13:18:01] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> and give it different color [13:18:25] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> element inspector shows you HTML structure AND assigned styling [13:18:47] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> you can find the class in HTML side and change colors in CSS side [13:18:57] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Would it show up on the left, or right side? [13:19:03] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> the elements or the style? [13:19:40] <MirahezeRelay> <Gummiel#0001> Left in the HTML of the page, when you select something on the left the rightside shows the CSS assigned for that element [13:19:43] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> you should look for `<div>` [13:20:10] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987, replying to Gummiel#0001> Oh! Ok. I'll keep that in mind [13:20:37] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Oh also, what's Tailwind.css? [13:20:59] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> where do you get it from? [13:21:30] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> On the right side [13:21:35] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Far far right [13:26:31] <MirahezeRelay> <Antoniokf5#3115> @Reception123 Hey I've replied in a request for the domain change. [13:26:38] <MirahezeRelay> <Antoniokf5#3115> Sorry if I'm bothering you [13:26:41] <MirahezeRelay> <Antoniokf5#3115> I fixed the issue [13:26:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Antoniokf5#3115> Should be fixed [13:26:58] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Guys! I did it 😄 [13:28:40] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550, replying to Galvatron#7828> hm? [13:32:48] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987, replying to JustCallMeR#7987> nvm [13:33:59] <MirahezeRelay> <Gummiel#0001, replying to JustCallMeR#7987> It's basically where that particular section of CSS is written, a lot of which you don't have direct read access to, so you can just ignore what it says in those spots. [13:34:32] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> I've gone through every mention of <div>. I can change the elements but not the background :/ [13:34:41] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> I did this [13:34:49] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> the big no no I saw in support was trying to drop html into the css file [13:35:06] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> yeah... that was dumb [13:35:16] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> I rectified it though [13:35:23] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> it seems you indeed made the first big step [13:35:44] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> First of many. I'm just looking for a way to change the background color [13:36:21] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> looks like you have a handle; iirc anisa is friendlier than some skins in selectors but it could still throw loops [13:36:56] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> OMG [13:36:58] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> DUDE! [13:37:00] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> I got it! [13:37:04] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> you might end up needing to play around with what exactly to select, perhaps the ID or the class of something (but if you select the class, be careful if the class affects something else...) [13:37:08] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> That's an amazing feeling! [13:37:17] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> excellent [13:37:23] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> And look at this abomination [13:37:55] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr#6550> usually what my work looks like when I'm trying to figure out what to pick out :p [13:38:16] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> So, I got the css, do I just copy THAT part and put it in the Aanisa.css [13:38:18] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> ? [13:41:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Gummiel#0001> Yes, if you put it in the user version it makes it permanent for yourself, if you put it in the Mediawiki: version it makes it permanent for everyone visiting your wiki (Though the last one can take a while to actually apply, for technical reasons), where as everything you do in the inspector only last untill you reload/close and reopen the page [13:42:38] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Noted. So what about other sections that I want to change? like the color of the font and stuff? is that separate? [13:43:57] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> For example "text section" is now just white, would I need to copy that too? [13:47:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Gummiel#0001> [1/2] First of all your forgot the closing } at the end of that section. [13:47:32] <MirahezeRelay> <Gummiel#0001> [2/2] Text color would be `color:brown;` as an example(can also use Hexcode for the color, if needed), but could also be put into that body part, if you want that to be the default color of your font, where nothing else is specified that overrides it [13:48:24] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Yeah. So already have the colors in mind [13:49:26] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> like this, then do the next with each section? [13:53:12] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Not sure I follow, do you want everything to have a blue bg? [13:54:15] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> So basically, the blue is the background, but idk what to do about the text. The side text, the nav and stuff [13:55:03] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Oh, you’ll need rules for that [13:55:23] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Rules? [13:55:41] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> That wasn't on any of the tutorial pages [13:56:00] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> yeah like the one you have for body [13:56:09] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Oh [13:56:13] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> so something like [13:56:29] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [1/6] h3 { [13:56:29] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [2/6] color: white; [13:56:29] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [3/6] margin: 0; [13:56:30] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [4/6] padding-top: 0.5em; [13:56:30] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [5/6] padding-bottom: 0.17em; [13:56:30] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [6/6] } [13:56:30] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> This? [13:56:43] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Yep [13:57:30] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> If it’s for the image above I wouldn’t select just h3 because that will apply to every h3 [13:57:58] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> So the navigation section on the left, that's what I'm aiming for [13:58:39] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> I got, somehow, alot of it working, except for the "title" navigation sections [13:59:03] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> You’ll want to select those titles and see what the current rules are [13:59:11] <MirahezeRelay> <OatCookies#2213> Goodnight, honeycomb wiki hosting server site thing! [13:59:31] <MirahezeRelay> <OatCookies#2213> I'll never forget this site. [14:00:33] <MirahezeRelay> <Cocopuff2018#6664, replying to OatCookies#2213> 🤣 [14:01:25] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Ok I found it! [14:02:31] <MirahezeRelay> <Cocopuff2018#6664, replying to ChaoticShadow#2188> looks like inspect element to me, keep in mind inspect element wont save once the page is refreshed [14:02:47] <MirahezeRelay> <Cocopuff2018#6664> i may be wrong ] [14:03:01] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> ?? [14:03:10] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> That’s not the point [14:03:14] <MirahezeRelay> <Cocopuff2018#6664> never mind wrong thing [14:04:03] <MirahezeRelay> <Cocopuff2018#6664> agent, please dm me when you have some freetime i have a question for you [14:04:03] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188, replying to JustCallMeR#7987> Are you familiar with the select element in your browsers dev tools [14:04:49] <MirahezeRelay> <Cocopuff2018#6664> i believe agent isn't around atm [14:09:08] <MirahezeRelay> <Cocopuff2018#6664> hey RhinosF1, are you around at the moment? [14:09:15] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Sorry I forgot that I was offline [14:09:31] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987, replying to ChaoticShadow#2188> Yep! I am using it at the moment to find the things [14:09:51] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Cool cool that makes finding a lot faster [14:11:01] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Yeah! [14:11:20] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> So do I just copy paste that? [14:11:51] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [1/10] ```h3{ [14:11:52] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [2/10] margin-bottom: 0.3em; [14:11:52] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [3/10] } [14:11:52] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [4/10] h3{ [14:11:53] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [5/10] color: #ec54cc; [14:11:53] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [6/10] margin: 0; [14:11:53] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [7/10] padding-top: 0.5em; [14:11:53] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [8/10] padding-bottom: 0.17em; [14:11:55] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [9/10] overflow: hidden; [14:11:55] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> [10/10] }``` [14:14:38] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Well like before I wouldn’t just use h3 [14:15:18] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> But if it’s for practice you can do that [14:15:42] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> So what would you do instead, if you wanted it working across all of the site? [14:17:26] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> It will work across the entire site but h3 is generic enough in that it will modify any h3 [14:18:48] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> In this case you only want to change the h3 within the left nav, so to not change other things unintentionally you need to make your selector (in this case “h3”) more specific [14:19:45] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Nav-h3> ? [14:19:48] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> Something like that [14:19:49] <MirahezeRelay> <JustCallMeR#7987> > [14:21:15] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Sorta [14:21:58] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Let me see if there’s a resource that can describe selectors better than I can [14:23:26] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> https://web.dev/learn/css/selectors/ this one looks less dense than mdn [14:25:08] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> But essentially you’ll be doing something like “A B” to specify any element B that has an ancestor element A [14:29:12] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> If we assume that the parent of h3 is called “nav” then your selector would be “nav h3” [14:31:17] <MirahezeRelay> <blinkingline#0001> [1/3] Is there a way to mark a page as "not wanted"? [14:31:17] <MirahezeRelay> <blinkingline#0001> [2/3] I have a template that uses the {{PAGENAME}} magic word, called Template:Foo. The template works fine, but it ends up adding Foo to Special:WantedPages, which is not ideal. [14:31:17] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:PAGENAME [14:31:17] <MirahezeRelay> <blinkingline#0001> [3/3] What's the best way to fix this? [14:50:08] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> on wanted pages near red link there should number of links, click on it [14:50:58] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> if you don't use `#ifexist` (known to cause bug w/ WantedPages), then chances are there's a stray `[[Foo]]` somewhere [14:50:58] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Foo [14:57:40] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> or `{{:Foo}}` [14:57:40] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:Template:Foo [14:59:24] <MirahezeRelay> <RhinosF1#3648, replying to Cocopuff2018#6664> Hi [19:15:09] <MirahezeRelay> <DeletedUser#4097> Hello! [19:16:16] <MirahezeRelay> <DeletedUser#4097> How to insert an image as a slideshow in an article? [19:16:37] <MirahezeRelay> <DeletedUser#4097> Like when I insert them, it redirects to the page of the file and takes a few seconds [19:16:55] <MirahezeRelay> <DeletedUser#4097> I wonder if we can have the Wikipedia quick image popup [19:17:11] <MirahezeRelay> <DeletedUser#4097> Is that an extension? [19:44:28] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> there's `<gallery>` which has slideshow mode, no need for extensions [19:48:36] <MirahezeRelay> <Legroom#2748> [[mw:Help:Images#Renderingagalleryofimages]] [19:48:36] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Rendering%1da%1dgallery%1dof%1dimages [19:48:37] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Renderingagalleryofimages> [20:19:33] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188, replying to DeletedUser#4097> By pop up you mean this thing? https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Media_Viewer [20:20:51] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> Oh hmm that’s not the actual extension page [20:20:58] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> <https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultimediaViewer> [22:55:56] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188> How long should a restricted change take normally [23:14:14] <MirahezeRelay> <Agent#3928, replying to ChaoticShadow#2188> No ETA, it depends on the clerking Steward [23:14:14] <MirahezeRelay> <Agent#3928> What'd you request? [23:36:01] <MirahezeRelay> <ChaoticShadow#2188, replying to Agent#3928> Remove SMW, then re-add Cargo