[01:38:29] the one for the fanapedia wiki, domain that was transferred by sun but still used miraheze's domian' [01:40:46] if you mean famepedia, that wiki is long gone now [02:03:45] It's a shame that wikis like famepedia, awfulmovies and crappygames are long gone. They were quite useful. [03:55:29] wasn't famepedia a wikipedia fork? [04:12:20] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/28/uk-readers-may-lose-access-to-wikipedia-amid-online-safety-bill-requirements - I'm somewhat worried about Miraheze if this passes. Miraheze allows NSFW wikis, how can Miraheze carry out age verification with this stuff going on? [04:12:33] As the quote (loosely) goes, "the government gets to decide what's wrong, and the government keeps changing the definition". [04:18:19] As I'm from the US, I would take the stance that I would rather have a website blocked in the UK (I'd provide my users with information on how to access Tor) than self-censor, and I believe Wikimedia would feel the same. Wikipedia is censored in China and they grant IP block exemptions to Chinese Tor users. It's just a shame that this will now be [04:18:20] an issue in countries like the UK. [04:18:54] I believe this is a question for the Board [04:19:04] Good point. [04:19:05] In the past, when I criticized the US government and was met with the traditional "the US is good because you can't name a better country!", I would list the UK, along with other countries. That is no longer the case. [04:19:09] Oh well. [04:19:26] I have to exclude the UK from that list. [04:19:36] As it relates to legal, the Board has final say and would know best. [04:19:42] @Board Members ^ [04:19:46] Well, we'll see what they say. [04:20:57] Oh, and sorry for being inactive, I was very busy IRL. I'm now back on Miraheze. [04:21:23] Yeah, the online safety bill is a liability. WhatsApp is considering pulling from the UK market because of it. [04:22:00] That wouldn't be an option for Miraheze as it's based in the UK [04:22:05] Signal says they will just look at the UK the same way they look at the UAE, China, Iran, and every other country that censors E2EE encryption if it passes. [04:22:20] This law is definitely a poor idea [04:22:28] They will just not follow the UK law and will provide censorship circumvention. This is unfortunately not possible for Miraheze. [04:22:52] Maybe move corporate registration to the US.... <:ThinkingHardMH:769233180799795221> [04:23:04] Miraheze is a 501(c)3 right? [04:23:17] No Miraheze is a non for profit limited company. [04:23:27] We don’t have those definitions in the UK. [04:23:34] Oh right [04:23:35] never mind [04:24:01] Right now at least, there's vague assurances from UK govt that Wikipedia and things like it won't be impacted [04:24:18] Way too vague, in my opinion. [04:24:19] Yes but if this is the case.. [04:24:21] What implementation looks like is a different, TBD matter [04:24:22] that can change at any time [04:24:53] I only know US law so I'm not that big of a help here but it would be a problem [04:25:05] and I'm assuming Miraheze would never confirm age verification [04:25:07] Though possible to move the US, actively violating this UK law could, depending on interpretation, could be considered to be "breaking the law". Even if the corporate registration is in the US, I fear that Miraheze Stewards, the Board, etc. could themselves get in legal trouble even if they moved the company to the US. Also, Miraheze does not [04:25:08] really fit most of the 501(c)(3) stuff, but maybe you could argue it's educational. [04:25:34] Even if Miraheze moved to the US, It would still have to comply with the OSB if providing service to UK visitors. [04:25:39] I think? [04:25:41] I don't want Miraheze to do age verification, but I equally don't want NSFW content to be censored, so I don't know what a "good" position on this is. [04:25:43] Yes [04:25:55] Right but at that point the UK has no jurisdiction over the company overall [04:25:58] only its UK branch [04:26:09] whereas currently the UK has complete authority [04:26:16] Yes, but it can block UK visitors from accessing MH. [04:26:21] That is why Tor exists. [04:26:31] [1/2] I am pretty sure that bill has been watched for quite some time by Owen, I think it's been mentioned before, but could be remembering wrong. Right now I would fear any impact, and Miraheze will take necessary steps needed to adhere to the law, and I wouldn't really worry about anything right now. Talking about moving entire incorporation to the US is premature and really nee [04:26:31] [2/2] ding to be discussed right now. [04:26:59] *not really [04:27:04] correct me if i'm wrong, but we currently have a lot of NSFW provisions in our content policy? [04:27:08] What CA and OA are saying, so says NA as well [04:27:09] Yes we do [04:27:34] We do have rules about NSFW content, but we don't just forbid it. [04:27:55] who knows honestly [04:28:00] @CosmicAlpha#3274 if your message was edited I can't see it because I'm on IRC. It says "I would fear any impact" on my side and "really needing to be discussed". [04:28:08] has the text of the proposed bill even come out yet? [04:28:16] I believe so [04:28:26] I meant not really. Forgot one word and it changed the whole meaning lol [04:28:30] I think. [04:28:44] https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/49376/documents/2822 [04:28:45] CosmicAlpha do you also mean not fear any impact? [04:28:53] Yes. [04:29:18] Kk [04:29:48] Honestly the UK government can’t even agree on what day it is so I doubt it will even be successful. [04:29:59] +1 on that [04:30:09] It is premature to fear it will have any impact. Steps will be taken when and if they are necessary, not something you need to worry about right now. It is a valid concern, and I understand why it was raised, but please don't worry. Steps will be taken when necessary. [04:30:34] Since it hasn't even passed yet... [04:31:08] Got it [04:32:34] I’m surprised we haven’t heard from Apple on the matter since iMessage is also E2EE [04:32:43] yeah true [04:37:14] bruh [04:37:22] hope it'll tank lol [04:51:21] I believe Owen already commented on this matter somewhere [04:51:40] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/903395171981459507/997607902871310458 [04:54:06] I'm not on Discord. [05:17:18] [1/2] "Ah, yes that bill. As it's still going through Parliament, it's still something that can change but I am keeping my eyes on it. From a regulatory compliance point, we would be exempt from compliance currently - but obviously we will look to adopt best practises as they become known and a timeframe is in place for enforcement [05:17:18] [2/2] One change that likely will come from that bill would be the current non-enforced content warning for NSFW content would likely become a mechanism inside MediaWiki for us to implement and it would like become a requirement to flag wikis as such, rather than an advisory as it currently is" <- Copypaste for above mentioned Owen quote for IRC [05:19:27] I see [05:22:49] That message is exactly the one I was referring to above also... [05:23:07] Couldn't find where though... [07:51:40] [1/2] importing template from fandom, interwiki should be `fandom:wikiname`? [07:51:40] [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1102477127405817896 [07:55:56] I don't know [07:56:06] To change My website [07:56:15] @Legroom Sorry I'm lost haha, says there's no pages to import [07:57:03] I'm lost myself tbh [07:58:04] I changed name in Wiki [07:58:18] It is too complicated for me to change the domain [07:58:41] how exactly? [07:59:01] damn discord messes up replies, sorry NotAracham [08:00:20] [1/2] you should have a custom domain in the first place, then tie it w/ Miraheze [08:00:21] [2/2] see [08:00:54] I saw it but I don't know how to apply [08:00:59] you don't want to have `miraheze.org`, as I understand? [08:01:36] I already have Wiki but I want to change that tvarchivecable to porto [08:01:41] you should register/buy/make a custom domain, this is not something Miraheze does for you [08:02:51] I create a new wiki [08:03:02] Better with this [08:03:36] what do you mean? [08:04:52] I want to say that I want to move the site to another miraheze site [08:05:14] @tvarchivePorto you want to change the bit that comes before .Miraheze.org ? [08:05:27] There's a form to fill out [08:05:28] [1/2] Is tvarchivecable.miraheze.org [08:05:28] [2/2] I want to move to Porto.miraheze.org [08:06:01] that's a different thing then [08:06:12] Give me a second to find a link [08:06:18] Ok [08:07:11] @tvarchivePorto use https://phabricator.miraheze.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/ [08:07:21] I can't find one that has a template [08:07:26] Just state exactly that [08:07:33] Ok [08:11:25] Okay I managed to import a page but only one image on the page was imported <:nervy:986446543039111188> [08:12:33] @Pepper images and pages are imported separately [08:12:43] You cant import an image from an xml file [08:12:50] It's likely using instant commons [08:13:43] @RhinosF1 Can I only import images manually? [08:14:28] @Pepper you need an image dump [08:14:30] Yes [08:14:34] And then to ask SRE [08:14:40] That's not true [08:14:49] I stay like this [08:14:58] If I can't do anything [08:15:16] I'll just do it manually that sounds too complicated haha [08:15:17] Image dumps can be imported by SRE easily if you ask [08:15:35] @Pepper you file a task and SRE do some magic [08:15:47] I got no idea what either of those things mean/are [08:16:08] @Pepper I'm finding you a link [08:16:13] Okay! :) [08:17:23] I would have thought that xml imports would not import images if it weren't for the random one image that did import haha [08:17:25] @Pepper https://phabricator.miraheze.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/18/ [08:18:21] You'll need to provide the images you want importing [08:19:04] But it's likely much faster and easier if you have a decent number for SRE to do it via script [08:26:44] @RhinosF1 What's SRE and is it related to the link you provided [08:36:50] Site Reliability Engineer [08:37:09] It's the team of volunteers who keep the technical side's cogs turning [08:37:18] And yes that platform is how you request they do stuff [08:40:22] Ah ok! I sent a request [10:01:47] Hi, Is there a way to use tables in my page as a database, so quering, filtering them? Or is there a way to have them in special pages and diplaying the result of a query in a table on another page? [10:11:19] Cargo or Semantic Mediawiki [10:12:44] GiuseppeCC: ^ [11:05:11] Are Cargo and Semantic Wiki implemented in Miraheze? Do you have any documentation how to use them here? [11:06:44] both are available, and there's no Miraheze-specific documentation [11:08:05] Thank you, I have never heard of Cargo and it is a totally obscure topic. [11:09:13] I am doing some research, I see you can also have Dinamic pages in wikis. Most of the markdown reference documents don't mention these features. [11:13:07] there's DPL3 extension [11:13:38] Cargo is currently not very stable to use, several wikis decided to switch to Semantic MediaWiki [11:17:20] I see there is something called WikiBase [11:19:25] GiuseppeCC: WikiBase is targetted more at cross wiki structured data [11:19:50] I would only recommend WikiBase if you have 2 wikis or more sharing data [11:19:56] Thank you, I am learining. [11:20:24] I am searching some step by step instructions on how to use Cargo. [11:20:53] (And Semantic MediaWiki) [14:56:54] I WOKE UP IN A NEW BUGATTI [14:59:30] hello everyone [15:00:26] can someone give me advice on making an aesthetic main page? i've made a private wiki for my worldbuilding project and i don't know how exactly to make a main page that looks interesting... currently it's purely text [15:00:57] i'd like something kinda like wikipedia's main page [15:02:09] @Koal probably worth a #support thread [15:02:14] oh okay [15:02:15] sorry baout that [15:02:20] It's ok [15:15:41] ah ok [15:16:47] moviepedia wiki is crashing when i attempt to use vector 202 [15:17:28] never mind [15:22:02] hey agent, when you got a chance could you please dm me? [15:26:55] why not you dm him? :p [15:27:31] don't wanna bug him if he is busy (: [15:27:40] @Cocopuff2018 what you want? [15:27:45] he'll triage and get to it when he's set I'm sure [15:27:51] same thing most of us do really [16:30:21] FYI: If anyone wonders where I've gone, family shtuff hit the fan. Will be absent a while. 🤪 [16:32:41] Good luck, wishing a speedy and positive resolution to all that if possible. [16:43:14] Thanks, it's always possible! ; ) [18:48:25] Is it just me, or if I upload a new version of a picture, its thumbnail versions remain as the old one? [18:48:40] Not sure if I should create a support thread for it. [18:49:04] It's a caching thing. It can either be your cache or the servers cache. [18:49:21] In any case, you should purge the affected page's cache and then clear your own [18:49:26] [1/3] ||This is the picture: https://static.miraheze.org/waysofdarknesswiki/5/53/Hens_Londers.jpg|| [18:49:27] [2/3] ||This is the thumbnail version: https://static.miraheze.org/waysofdarknesswiki/thumb/5/53/HensLonders.jpg/600px-HensLonders.jpg|| [18:49:27] [3/3] ||They're not the same, even when I clear my browser cache or call a purge on the page.|| [18:49:42] Even in incognito mode? [18:49:45] lemme check [18:50:05] Yep, even in Incognito mode. [18:50:18] Wget-ing the thumbnail also returns the obsolete one. [18:51:18] Try waiting a few minutes, it could be a jobqueue thing [18:51:36] Alright. [18:51:58] I uploaded the new version 20 minutes ago, but sure. Maybe it'll be good tomorrow. [18:52:27] new versions always take some time to update, from my experience [18:52:40] Alright, it should be good then ^^ [20:01:38] Purge & thumbnail render are job queue things [20:02:24] Varnish bans might help if varnish is caching it and it failed to purge [20:03:00] @Orduin ? [20:03:15] 90 minutes is too long for render [20:30:02] I had the same problem too you can try changing the px size in a wiki page then it regenerates the thumbnail for some reason ( https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1100754698295857152/1101254823212494970 ) maybe it would work for you too? [21:10:11] Quick question: do ReplaceText actions show up in recent changes as bot/minor edits? Trying to decide on whether to use it. [21:23:44] issue with db121 [21:23:45] I think ReplaceText is completely broken [21:23:58] there's something wrong with miraheze [21:24:04] @Site Reliability Engineers db121 issues ^ [21:24:08] i tried going into a wiki but i get errors [21:24:09] It'll come back up in a few minutes [21:24:21] once it does, you'll need to wait a little for the database server to be unlocked [21:25:18] Fixed [21:25:34] Paladox to the rescue once again, thanks! [21:28:57] why is paladox so based [21:54:16] Were would I go to request a cli command to be run? phab? [22:33:24] today may be my last day here at miraheze