[00:25:46] i forgot about special:export 😭 [00:25:53] i would just copy and paste everything in there [00:26:11] which was a pain in the ass for templates that use other templates which uses other templates [00:26:26] also which is a pain in the ass in terms of copyright [00:27:41] As long as the content you copy+paste is under a free license, you can just attribute the original author to avoid copyright infringement (for public-domain content, this is optional) [00:27:56] If you can import something, though, you should [05:48:31] Why are imports so unreliable right now? It's timing out with 200kb uploads [05:54:59] Anything over 20kbs has never really worked [05:55:07] Follow the instructions on the timeout page [08:40:12] @RhinosF1 independent but poorly trained in complex regulatory matters at least in energy half the time [09:18:01] Also backlogged stupidly [09:18:03] 4 months [09:32:38] @Fiddlestix [09:33:15] I'm HeyTürkiye. I haven't seen you in Miraheze for a long time. is there a problem? [11:37:59] 🔔 Offer Notice: There is an important proposal on the [[Community Noticeboard#Clarification - Formalizing Interwiki Requester Eligibility]] page about the officialization of Interwiki requests, created yesterday by @NotAracham. We look forward to your participation. [11:37:59] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_Noticeboard#Clarification_-_Formalizing_Interwiki_Requester_Eligibility [11:38:00]

[11:42:30] Which bank is that? [12:41:51] almost had a heart attack when i was editing a page on my wiki and miraheze said "wiki not found" [12:41:57] thank god it was just a glitch [12:42:11] close call [12:44:53] also i recently found an ai writing detector and damn it works well [12:46:12] I take pride in the fact that the ai writing detector considers me to be "more human" than other writers [14:22:53] the outliers to that are why I would never particularly trust ai detectors to detect ai [14:22:57] it is a simple arms race [14:39:54] nah, just been focusing on [[mh:amazingyoutubers]] and [[mh:avid]] recently [14:39:54] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/amazingyoutubers https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/avid [14:39:55]

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[2/2] [15:12:19] ha okey [15:13:14] @NotAracham You did a good sketch in the first part with DeeM28, thank you. but there seems to be a problem in the translation part. [15:13:48] if the translation is removed; this won't work for me. Sometimes it is necessary to read the pages in my own language. not with machine translation [15:15:52] What? [15:16:05] I didn't help on any of the translation clauses [15:16:06] Well I'm confused too 😄 [15:16:26] [[Special:Contributions/DeeM28]] [15:16:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DeeM28 [15:16:27]

[15:16:42] There is a translation section in his contributions. [15:17:03] I think you're a bit confused [15:17:05] DeeM didn't make the overall proposal, which has two primary sections [15:17:08] I'm the one who started the original RfC [15:17:13] DeeM only added Proposal 8 and 8.1 [15:17:28] NotAracham helped with the original draft that I added [15:17:57] The first block focuses on the rollbacker and patroller/patrolled groups, the second block is the translation section, which I didn't assist with drafting due to lack of time [15:18:42] the whole idea of drafting is to have other users help improve existing proposals but also be able to add their own [15:19:19] If the translation is limited to the translator group [15:19:36] It will be good on one hand and bad on the other. [15:20:31] Only native/native speakers can know if a text is machine translated. [15:21:28] Seriously I'm sure I'll be confused while voting in RfC, that's my area of interest. If my interest goes away, I'm sure I'll turn away from Miraheze. [15:21:38] well that's true but the current situation isn't great where anyone can translate any languages even if they aren't proficient in them [15:22:30] I sometimes do translations with machine translations - Yes, but I edit in my own language [15:22:52] If translators act in this way, there will be no problem. It will be a good translation. [15:23:07] indeed, but that's why they should be checked first [15:23:14] There are those who do not comply, there are those who do, you need to think a little about these rules. [15:23:16] as otherwise any user can translate pages in any language that they don't know [15:23:34] but it's probably best to open that debate when the RfC is actually opened [15:23:51] yes [15:24:08] Most likely I will not support Offer 8 and 8.1. [15:24:30] Well those are not my proposals but yeah it's up to you, obviously not all proposals are to everyone's liking [15:24:33] It would be nice if the patrol and reversers were removed, they're not used much [15:25:26] yes I didn't like it 😄 I think I will think 1000 times while voting. All offers have their good and bad sides. [15:25:36] Let's open RfC [15:26:43] No... [15:26:47] drafting is still taking place [15:26:56] there's really no need to rush and open it hastily [15:26:59] No, I will not open now [15:27:13] DeeM28 will open it, not me 😄 [15:27:29] Translation error again 😄 [15:27:53] I wanted to say we'll see open RfC. @Reception123 [15:28:58] Actually no, it would be me as I'm the original initiator and usually the initiator opens the RfC [15:29:33] you are the steward, open as you wish [15:29:44] me butler vs. I am not [15:52:21] Not gonna seriously use them [15:52:30] Just an experiment [15:54:21] I should recuse myself now as a first option to close the rfc in relation to translation as I have a few strong opinions on the matter [15:54:34] they will only be appropriate in a broader discussion or when the rfc enters a voting phase [16:33:27] Update on this, people seem to he able to log in just fine, and I'm gonna try activating an arbitrary extension to fix things; images are still broken so I'm gonna report it to Phabricator when I'm able to [16:37:02] On a different topic, I'm looking into Extension:Theme but I dont understand how I can add a theme for Miraheze wikis; how can I do that? [17:05:50] I think adding new themes requires access to the theme extension directory, which you probably don't have (SRE may add it for you, though) [17:12:49] My Estonian members are experiencing this from time to time when accessing the wiki, should each one of them write to the address in question? [17:14:08] TSB [17:15:41] Hi, can you let me know which range? [17:15:58] I'll gather some info and speak to CVT [17:17:37] I'll see whether I can get that, the people in question are not quite tech savvy [17:18:14] It should say in the message or tell them to google what's my ip @Vidsich [17:21:49] they don't use vpn for sure? [17:26:13] yeah [17:26:24] jist give me a minute, I'm waiting for a responce [17:35:53] @RhinosF1 [17:36:43] Thanks [17:38:48] @Reception123 ^ isn't a webhost or proxy [17:39:08] Cc @Orduin [17:44:29] Wish I could say I was surprised. [17:49:42] Why [17:50:44] They’ve gone downhill since being acquired by Sabadell, their service is honestly shocking. Iirc they got fined millions by the FCA in 2021 for their shocking service and lack of proper infrastructure [17:50:57] Also my mortgage is with them and trying to get hold of them is like plucking feathers [17:51:05] Hmm [17:51:07] Yeah [17:51:12] I know the feeling [17:51:28] @Original Authority they won't even get my phone number right [17:51:37] Been asking since October 2022 [17:51:46] First changed it in March [17:52:00] Noticed it was still on 3D secure on Oct [17:52:06] Been arguing ever since [17:52:40] You can report them to the FCA I’m sure they’d love to hear it 😂 [17:52:55] That sounded like sarcasm but it generally wasn’t [17:54:13] I am proceeding through the complaints system with ombudsman @Original Authority [17:54:25] Seriously considering a regulatory complaint [17:54:36] Once I have a final resolution [17:54:50] Not sure if ICO and/or FCA [17:55:02] It's likely a breach of data protection act [17:55:32] Yeah probably [17:55:50] Also the fact that they haven’t resolved the complaint is an FCA breach [17:55:57] FCA don't have a regulatory action [17:56:11] Furthest you can go is ombudsman [17:56:22] Who I fully expect will admonish them and force them to resolve it [17:56:40] I then plan unless they have very good reasons for the mess to complain to the ICO [17:56:47] That they broke the DPA [17:56:52] Ohhh you can only complain to FCA about a scam [17:56:54] That’s whack [17:56:59] Will be very nice to see the words they've broken the law [17:57:17] Just the price of doing business to them [17:57:33] Wonder if TSB will become the 2nd company I win a data protection complaint against @Original Authority [17:57:48] The first? [18:00:55] GetMyFirstJob Limited. ICO uphold they broke Article 5(1)(f) of the UK GDPR on 1 count and provided them with advice. On a second count, they were asked to implement technical controls to ensure 3rd party recruiters complied with the privacy policy set out. [18:01:40] Oh dear, did you get your first job thought? 😂 [18:01:48] Raised 2 concerns. ICO upheld 1 and provided advice on a 2nd [18:01:52] I did [18:02:02] Not because of their shitty tactics though [18:02:21] TSB it should be fairly easy to uphold they've broken the law [18:02:48] Law says they must take reasonable effort to correct information without undue delay [18:02:56] That's generally been 28 days [18:03:03] It's been 14 months now [18:03:38] Yeah definitely. It’s not hard to click a few buttons [18:03:39] So unless they have a very good excuse, I imagine it'll be a fun decision in a few months time to read [18:03:50] can’t you change your number in the app, though? [18:03:51] @Original Authority I didn't notice for a while [18:03:56] I have [18:04:05] It won't take effect for 3D secure [18:04:12] They have 0 idea why [18:04:23] Tried denying it and playing games for a while [18:04:30] Until I sent a screenshot [18:04:45] They don't even show all my statements in the app [18:05:32] The issue with TSB is that their infrastructure isn’t at all designed for the UK market and doesn’t work very well. That’s what the FCA ruling found, they should’ve stuck with licensing LBGs infrastructure which actually works [18:06:04] Heh [18:06:28] We'll see what ICO and FOS say [18:06:45] Happy to share the decision (PII redacted) when it comes [18:07:34] Yeah deffo you’ve piqued my interest now [18:11:07] Happy to share the GMFJ one [18:11:57] shoot it over 🙂 [18:13:08] Email? Feel free to DM [18:17:14] Hi! In infobox, how can I make two files to be on the same line? Like the flag and the map in Wikipedia templates. [18:58:29] hmm. random question [18:59:16] are there any miraheze extensions that can like... automatically redirect links so they aren't case sensitive? [18:59:32] Nope [19:00:10] Some of the MW search plugins are case-insensitive, though we haven't been able to move over to that flavor just yet. [19:00:24] NotAracham active hmm good [19:00:26] it's a pain in the butt to have search be case sensitive yeah 😭 [19:00:30] @NotAracham we have [19:00:37] Search team just don't like us [19:00:43] I thought CirrusSearch was delayed? [19:00:51] I had the setup working apart from the version mismatch [19:01:02] @Doug by the way, you sent me a lot of thanks, thanks anyway [19:01:03] I did all the implementation work [19:01:11] Ah. [19:01:26] It's purely ElasticSearch / OpenSearch new enough being supported [19:01:35] I don't have much hope in that [19:01:40] Gotcha, so the bones are already there, we're just waiting for catch-up [19:01:45] incorrectly capitalized page links i can at least manually force to redirect to their proper url but like. searching "Rules" vs "rules" and having one get results but not the other is gonna drive me crazy [19:02:11] @NotAracham for once we are a head of the game [19:05:42] its not the end of the world but it is one quirk of wiki thats a little bit of a headache [20:23:08] @Bodertt#1927, I'm not really on Discord right now, or maybe I am on another PC if I show up online, as it's too laggy, but you're welcome? Oh, yes, I do tend to give lots of thanks [20:23:25] which use are you on wiki? [20:25:13] HeyTürkiye [20:36:29] Tali64#9984, ah, okay, thanks. :) [21:14:41] still got an aio to send ya doug [21:15:12] obliterate performance lag and get a complimentary linux install since I probably already did that to most of the odd devices I own anyway [21:15:35] hmm 🤔 [21:15:58] is there something up with the visual editor? for some reason my wiki doesn’t seem to want to load it [21:16:35] VE often acts weirdly [21:16:42] so not unusual [21:16:50] @Dmehus hey dough are you still active on discord/ [21:16:57] Its enabled and my pages have the “edit” vs “edit source” but only the source editor loads at all [21:17:22] visual just. does nothing. not editable [21:17:24] known problem, try to disable and enable it again [21:17:38] the extension I mean [21:17:46] thanks! I’ll give that a shot [21:18:11] I just reset my wiki so I’m trying to get the basics back haha [21:27:33] wm-bot: help [21:27:40] !help [21:29:27] I thought wm-bot had a .tell command [21:38:24] This user is now online in #miraheze-sre. I'll let you know when they show some activity (talk, etc.) [21:38:24] @notify Cocopuff2018 yeah, I'm still on Discord, but don't use it as frequently due to its insanely high system resource usage (guessing it's an Electron app? :P)...not good when you have 4 GB of RAM ;) [21:39:48] @Dmehus dms [21:40:01] Cocopuff2018, okay will look :) [21:50:42] dmehus: yeah im pretty sure discord is an electron app [22:33:28] yeah...I'm eager to try Arc Browser in Windows [22:33:44] they're using some compiler called Swift or something [22:33:50] looks really cool [22:34:13] Vivaldi finally pissed me off enough to switch away from it recently, so I'm using the Ulaa web browser [22:34:27] https://ulaa.com/ [22:34:43] * dmehus realizes we weren't talking about web browsers and that this is a bit random :p [23:12:29] huh, i might move to ulaa [23:12:36] ive heard good things about arc though [23:13:21] really, you were thinking about switching to ulaa? [23:14:04] it's pretty good; centralauth auto-login kind of breaks, unless you disable the cookie and tracker blocking on *.miraheze.org, but otherwise it's pretty good [23:14:24] and it's fast because it's not bloated done with all these customizations in Vivaldi [23:16:40] ill probably use it at least for a little bit :p [23:16:57] ive used many browsers tbh [23:19:09] heh yeah [23:19:29] I want to like Firefox, but eh, they keep pissing off their users and it's still slow [23:20:17] ive used edge, opera, opera gx, firefox, brave, tor and probably some others that im forgetting about [23:20:47] firefox is the one i only really use on my linux machine because its pretty lightweight so it doesnt really hurt my 4gb of ram on there [23:21:11] im curious, what did vivaldi do? [23:33:59]