[00:15:41] meta generally needs authoritative users who can help develop guides and meta resources, proofread/suggest/provide feedback on existing content, assist others in noticeboards, and yes, cleanup - but it's best to start fairly small and work into more involved and bolder/ambitious projects [00:31:09] I am back [00:34:09] I need help [00:34:59] You have to enable private messages to be able to auth [00:35:06] no [00:35:08] i already did [00:35:20] I lost my bureaucrat status on my wiki [00:38:09] If you accidentally removed the bureaucrat group from yourself, leave a post on the Stewards' noticeboard (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard) and a Steward will give it back to you [00:52:43] on the Administrator/Bureaucrat access section [00:53:00] not CheckUser unless you want a Steward to see your IP and check if you're a sock puppet [00:53:17] I moved their request there; I forgot about the header, so I'm going back to readd that [00:56:19] Hello there, raidarr checking in under another name because passwords are hard >.> [00:58:07] Is this really raidarr? [00:58:32] The capitalization checks out, but raidarr's stated that he doesn't use emojis except for trouts [00:58:46] There's clearly a ">.>" present [01:02:42] seems legit [01:02:57] he uses that expression quite a lot [01:03:02] it's his signature in my book [01:03:53] OK then [01:04:15] Oh dear, I forgot to dm with that, oh well [01:04:35] it must be an impasta [01:05:06] sus [01:29:59] huh [01:30:03] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> K I had another question [01:31:06] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Let's say I won the lottery if I was older. And I made a company. Can I buy Miraheze? (I know Miraheze is owned by someone/something) [01:32:17] yes [01:32:18] No [01:32:20] yes [01:32:52] Miraheze is run by Miraheze, Ltd., and the people on the Board of Directors won't be swayed by money [01:33:59] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> 5 dollers [01:34:17] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Just kidding. Would be nice to own you guys though [01:34:25] No, it wouldn't be nice at all. [01:34:50] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Why's that? [01:35:19] the moment a single owner buys out miraheze is the moment miraheze spiritually dies [01:35:20] The reason Miraheze exists is that it's community-run and volunteer-driven, not bound to the whims of one person. [01:35:41] I officially claim Miraheze as Frensonian [01:36:23] I know, what a foreign concept in a capitalist society. Bottom line is that we're not for sale, our business model is incompatible with what most companies are run by, and if you're an Elon Musk looking to take on a massive loan to buy us, you're better off spending that money on something else. Like charity. [01:36:34] Or I don't know, buy yourself a nice mansion on the hill or something. [01:36:48] make yer own farm [01:36:51] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Oh ok I see that now. Thank you for describing that [01:37:20] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132, replying to raidarr#6550> chocoolate milk fram [01:38:20] I should point out that most non-profits are run in a similar fashion: jointly run by the volunteers and/or a board of directors, that serve not to make money, but to further the organization's goals, which are generally for charitable reasons, or other reasons that are unprofitable by nature. [01:38:38] So... buying a non-profit is, generally, a Very Dumb Idea. [01:39:09] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Yes, I see [01:50:27] Technically speaking, Miraheze Limited is a not-for-profit corporation, rather than a non-profit. Practically speaking, that doesn't make that much difference as either way, it does not generate a profit and the corporation itself is without share capital, as far as I'm aware, but it does have to pay UK corporate tax on the donations it receives (which, in a way, amounts to double-taxation since, but meh, enough about me griping about tax law...) [03:30:12] Hello [03:30:33] How is everyone? [03:33:13] I need help with something [03:33:40] I am from a miraheze that has seemingly been abandoned by its only admin. His last activity was in March. [03:37:35] Is there something in particular you want done...? [03:38:19] I wanted to know if there's a way to be an admin since there is no one left in that particular site and there are some trolls that may take the opportunity to get away [03:38:36] It's a very, very small site anyway. [03:38:38] Have you tried sending the local admin a message? [03:39:05] If a troll tries to vandalize, you can call in the Counter-Vandalism Team who will swiftly block and lock the vandal [03:40:02] https://chadsofa.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User:DBS_Historian&action=edit&redlink=1 [03:40:05] It's this person [03:40:13] But hasn't been active in a long while [03:40:29] I know because he blocked someone once for removing content from an article [03:41:51] March isn't that long ago from our viewpoint [03:41:59] I have been editing since March, I have over 100 edits but I think it requires more to be one. [03:42:51] @Agent you have a min? [03:43:26] I'll be here. [03:45:24] Hello [04:26:49] ??? [04:28:36] oops sorry [04:29:17] hm, @CVT can take a look [04:29:39] just like Agent said though, would recommend asking the local bureaucrat/sysop to block first if they're around [04:48:48] How can I do that? [04:49:10] Sorry I'm new here [05:08:57] ??? [05:13:15] Leave a message on the user's talk page on the wiki. This will create a notification for them and send an email if they have one attached to their wiki account [05:14:07] On most wikis, there's a 'discuss' link on user pages that can be used to reach their talk page [05:15:26] [1/2] Since the user never created a page, you could also use: [05:15:26] [2/2] https://chadsofa.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBS_Historian [05:17:38] I left an edit [05:26:40] That edit alone sends the message? [06:19:23] [1/2] I always thought the CheckUser log would have contained IP addresses of users, or some form of sensitive information that would make the log restricted, aside from being directly associated with Check User rights. [06:19:23] [2/2] (I was given System Administrator rights on another wikifarm for one week to do some testing, on the condition that I don't abuse my rights. Not that I would) [06:21:22] ? [06:24:52] Just wondered if anyone knew why the `(checkuser-log)` and `(abusefilter-privatedetails-log)` permissions are generally restricted on wikifarms if they don't contain PII. [06:24:53] brings up an interesting point....why is the CU log restricted? [06:25:05] as long as there's no PII, why shouldn't it be publicly available? [06:25:10] might be a good form of checks and balances [06:25:45] Probably because they are related to the `(checkuser)` and `(abusefilter-privatedetails)` permissions which do contain PII. [06:26:53] @C.Syde65 you can imply PII [06:27:03] Personally identifiable information. [06:27:15] Because if you get accounts for an IP immediately after getting the IP for an account [06:27:26] It is implied that the ip and account are linked [06:27:30] True. [06:27:47] It doesn't explicitly log anything but the bigger picture is mostly definitely PII [06:28:46] Did you know infinite global blocks are not even infinite on fandom [06:28:47] Explanation ^ [06:29:02] They are. [06:29:06] A lot of places do silly stuff for infinite [06:29:09] Or they can be. [06:29:29] Infinite global blocks have just been set to disable one's account after 3 months. [06:29:44] Yes I know [06:29:48] To avoid cluttering up the global block list. [06:30:19] So infinite global blocks are not even infinite on fandom [06:30:38] Because generally the only accounts that are globally blocked indefinitely are the ones that have zero chance of ever being globally unblocked. [06:33:12] Oh okay [06:33:43] If you choose to disable your account then your account will just get unblocked 3 months later [06:34:09] That’s the way it’s works [06:47:26] If you choose to disable your account, it will be disabled within 30 days unless you decide to reactivate it before the 30 day time period is up. Your account will probably be globally unblocked when that happens as well. [06:59:43] That’s what exactly happens [10:56:39] [1/5] Can I just get a single straight answer. Where do I put the CSS? Is it inside [10:56:39] [2/5] [10:56:40] [3/5] [10:56:40] [4/5] [10:56:40] [5/5] [10:57:01] Is is actually inside the page itself? or does it have to be server wide? [10:57:57] What are you trying to do? [10:58:43] Currently, I am just working on putting a Infobox inside a template, so it brings both out when I use that template [11:05:46] So you want to style your infobox? Whatever HTML class/id is present in the infobox element, and you'd save that CSS in to either the relevant TemplateStyles page or you could put it in MediaWiki:Common.css / MediaWiki:skinnamehere.css. Can't help much more than without the infobox/template without more specifics. [11:07:36] No no, I don't have an infobox yet [11:07:59] Sorry, I think I explained poorly. I don't actually have an infobox. I'm looking to get one [11:08:27] I want to put it inside the template so that when I use {{Testtemplate}} It brings the Infobox with it [11:08:27] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Testtemplate [11:08:29]

[11:11:37] these things are never used on wikis, it's raw HTML, not CSS [11:12:56] Right, that's something I was trying to understand. So, raw HTML should be avoided? [11:13:00] [1/3] I suggest to use PortableInfobox extension [11:13:01] [2/3] once enabled, you'll be able to create simple infoboxes at Special:InfoboxBuilder page (visual builder) [11:13:01] [3/3] for more fancy infobox coding see pinned message here [11:13:36] OH! THAT'S HOW YOU USE THE EXTENSION! Thank you [11:13:39] Sorry again [11:13:50] PortableInfobox was created by FANDOM and proves to be the easiest to use [11:13:56] no problem [11:16:20] So, on an unrelated note. What if you wanted to change the font of the style? I like the style I'm using but the font is asss sometimes [11:24:10] [1/5] that is CSS thing, done on `MediaWiki:Common.css` page [11:24:10] [2/5] first you should add the font (if it's not something available by default) [11:24:10] [3/5] - you can `@import` a free font from Google Fonts [11:24:11] [4/5] - you can upload custom font right on wiki (as long as it doesn't breach any copyright/is not pirated) and define it in CSS [11:24:11] [5/5] then you should know the class/id of the element you want to modify (be it something small like template or the entire wiki) [11:24:52] then define rules in CSS [11:27:08] How do I simply create an infobox in the visual editor mode ? [11:28:12] [1/2] it's impossible to create templates in Visual Editor [11:28:12] [2/2] the closest to that would PortableInfobox builder mentioned above, and it's a thing on its own [11:29:05] infoboxes are quite complicated type of templates, there's no point in not using source editor [11:29:40] Is it possible to edit it in source editor but still see what's changing in real time ? [11:29:53] yes, there's preview button [11:30:15] So, it only updates everytime I click, and have to wait several seconds, instead of real time update ? [11:30:15] depending on user preferences it would appear above or bellow editor area [11:30:47] several seconds? that happens only w/ very big pages [11:31:35] How do I get the Infobox to appear in Insert Template list ? [11:31:38] and common, how's that critical? [11:33:04] that will require another extension, TemplateData, and additional coding in template itself - so you can see and add template's value in Visual Editor [11:34:24] I have this extension enabled, what can I do next ? [11:35:04] read its documentation, it uses a type of JS coding [11:35:40] you should update template accordingly, preferably in template's doc subpage [11:37:30] gonna look like this in the code [11:38:23] boy I love making template documentations lol [11:38:50] I thought it would be something like this [11:38:58] Sorry, I have no coding background, so idk [11:39:07] dude [11:39:18] you want it to work in Visual Editor? [11:39:30] If possible ? [11:39:55] you can switch to source code editor, copy that boilerplate and fill its values, then switch to VE [11:40:04] that's the easiest way I can suggest [11:40:20] 👍 Thank you [11:41:41] But is there any place where I can see all possible features an Infobox can have ? I feel like in the example above some things might be potentially missing [11:41:42] whenever someone here asks about infoboxes in VE they get disgusted by boilerplate copypasting lol [11:42:17] And why's that [11:42:42] idk man, I hate VE, it's broken lol [11:42:58] source editor ftw [11:43:15] By the way, I mean like tabs of images, when there are multiple images for the figure in Infobox [11:43:43] And other features that I might not be aware of, ig [11:43:51] FANDOM's PortableInfobox has tabs for images by default via using [11:44:11] Does it also list all other features of Infobox ? [11:44:25] basically PI is pretty flexible and not hard to learn, see pinned messages for guides [11:44:36] guite a lot really [11:45:45] however, if you want something off Wikipedia that you can't get in PI (unlikely, in my opinion) - that's because Wikipedia uses Lua modules and that's much more complicated [11:46:26] 😵 [11:48:22] So, both those types of coding formats for InfoBox work the same ? [11:49:31] [1/3] no [11:49:31] [2/3] the code above is for template to work [11:49:32] [3/3] the code bellow is of template to use on other pages [11:50:19] the double figure brackets `{{...}}` invoke templates in wiki text [11:50:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:... [11:51:38] it says right there - "we can now use the template in an article" [11:53:56] I copy pasted the below into my page and when I click preview, it doesn't display the actual InfoBox [11:54:26] but have you created the actual infobox template, w/ the code from above? [11:54:56] templates has to be created first [11:55:53] How do I create it ? Nothing appears here and Insert button can't be clicked [11:56:22] do you have a page for template on its own? [11:56:38] it should be `Template:...` [11:56:50] for example `Template:Character` [11:57:11] No, I don't, I did not know that was a necessary step before [11:57:11] if you don't know how to create new page - try at least via URL [11:57:25] that's the essential step my man [11:57:41] you can't you the thing if you don't have it in the first place [11:58:09] PortableInfobox is used exactly for creating infobox templates [11:59:11] In the template page, do I need to paste the above code into it ? [11:59:26] yes [12:00:06] for clarification [12:00:27] the page must be `.../wiki/Template:...` [12:01:21] the name after `Template:` is what you later will use inside `{{}}` [12:01:21] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template: [12:02:00] [1/3] for `Template:Character` you should type in article [12:02:00] [2/3] `{{Character [12:02:00] [3/3] |...}}` [12:02:47] and enable PortableInfobox extension [12:02:54] or the code won't work [12:03:19] should be in "Parser hooks" tab of extensions admin menu [12:05:20] ? [12:06:28] I meant URL ....... [12:06:48] in case you'll get confused [12:06:59] but alas lol [12:07:34] 🥲 [12:09:25] Ok, I see what you mean now, Lol [12:13:09] Can you explain more on this ? [12:13:27] It is saying Template loop detected for me [12:13:55] did you put both code types on Template page? [12:14:17] tapping [12:14:30] Bruh, so I need both [12:14:39] WAIT [12:15:06]