[00:17:16] ruh roh [00:17:26] average Fatal exception of type "LogicException" [00:17:51] my main page is scuffed [00:18:20] hmm, nutcracker crashed on mw132 and mw142 [00:19:05] the incident (2023) [00:22:18] @Site Reliability Engineers nutcracker crashed on mw132 and mw142 [00:22:37] I can't restart because mw-admins don't have access to that? [00:23:29] Also happening on Meta [00:26:19] Nutcracker should have an autorestart cron [00:28:31] Thank you for deleting the Wiki I requested [00:28:34] Thank you [00:29:53] Wouldn't be cron, probably would be fixed by puppet run, but probably something else we can do to fix [00:31:03] I made infobox template but when I insert it in my article there are no sections like name, allias, age, etc for me to enter, what do I do [00:31:04] What about adding it to it's systemd configuration, like what we do with MariaDB by adding `Restart=always`? [00:31:40] that's what I was referring to [00:34:34] @Orduin [00:34:50] might also be good to have [01:21:03] How do I get the multi tabs/ panels for images in source editor in my article page ? I have it in infobox template but idk how to implement it here [01:27:58] [1/5] Do you mean [01:27:59] [2/5] ``` [01:27:59] [3/5] |-|Name1= [01:27:59] [4/5] |-|Name2= [01:28:00] [5/5] /tabber```? [01:37:32] Idk why when I tried that it doesn't work, it doesn't even display the images at all. Btw this is my Template:Character code to implement the 2 tabs/ panels for images of the character in past and present, is it correct ? [01:48:12] Make sure TabberNeue is toggled on in Special:ManageWiki/extensions#mw-section-parserhooks [01:49:59] [1/6] I'm not sure about the template, I feel like you could leave a regular image section like in any other Infobox template, and then manually write [01:49:59] [2/6] ``` [01:50:00] [3/6] File:Filename|Past [01:50:00] [4/6] File:Filename|Present [01:50:00] [5/6] /gallery``` [01:50:01] [6/6] on each page [01:55:44] Thanks, this is what I was missing for the feature to work [02:04:54] For some reasons, gallery works, but tabber still doesn't for me, and I prefer the larger tab buttons by the tabber, the gallery ones are small [02:06:23] If I write like this, it will still display correctly [02:11:31] All I know is that when I used Fandom, Tabber stopped working in Infoboxes, though it did in the past, and had to be replaced with galleries [02:13:16] I was wondering because I saw a miraheze page implementing it [02:14:09] Oh, for your attempts using section, try removing the line indents. Sometimes the parser gets very cranky about those extra preceding spaces. [02:15:09] Ah, I just removed them whole and only kept a `` instead [02:15:27] Otherwise the code looks mostly correct, I don't see a closing /infobox tag [02:15:36] And it looks like you're using the same source for both images [02:16:07] It's below down there but my screenshot didn't include it due to screen size) [02:16:49] I edited it after that but the tabber was still not working [02:17:19] I have this enabled but don't know if I'm possibly missing anything else [02:18:22] Well, the section stuff doesn't use tabber, that's native to PortableInfobox [02:18:57] yeah, I removed the sections [02:24:37] #nothing shows up using module please help [02:32:59] hi o/ [02:33:15] Could I get assistance with user management please? [02:36:11] What's up? [02:37:11] Just need to delete a couple of accounts that were created by mistake - one user went a little too fast and didn't follow all the steps [02:37:22] is that possible? [02:50:43] Account deletion is not possible with MediaWiki, but the users who created the accounts can request that they be locked on the Stewards' noticeboard; they can also request vanishing at the TSPortal (https://reports.miraheze.org) [02:57:20] OK, no problem. Locking the accounts should be enough then. [03:02:51] Is RhinosF1 about? [03:03:11] In the Template:Character how can I make title and header appear in middle ? I thought this should be by default but it's not, it's aligning to left [04:30:03] late reply, but do i request this on phabricator? [04:34:01] I'd assume so [04:35:50] is it okay to create a task when you're already authoring an open task, or do you have to wait for said open task to be closed? [04:44:53] is the new task related to the already open task? [04:45:23] also: yes, you do [04:45:27] unrelated [04:47:10] We won't do that actually because it requires editing submodules and deploying that which would break the way we update things [04:47:21] If you want to theme something, you should do it through CSS and not the theme extension [04:47:53] ah, i see [04:55:01] dragfyre[m]: hi [07:56:53] so, I have a question; I found a wiki that is pretty obviously plagiarising an already existing and active Fandom wikia. This person apparently has a history of cloning the aforementioned wiki. What would be the correct way to report that? [07:59:45] if they imported content of wikis w/ edit histories it there's no crime, since FANDOM wikis work under CC-BY-SA licence [08:00:18] Hi. You can report via meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SN but only if what @Legroom says is not the case (i.e. they are copying without proper attribution) [08:01:41] yeah, if they shamelessly copy paste text or imported badly (w/o edit history), then it is a problem [08:02:48] quite a lot of wikis try to migrate off FANDOM and make full imports, very few try to start new wikis here from scratch [08:05:12] The edit history only shows their username and is copy-pasted with just a couple minor changes, i have a screenshot comparing their page to the OG page if needed. They also had no real involvement with the original wiki; their only contributions were a couple tiny edits. [08:06:40] would I report it under copyright violation or plagiarism? [08:09:46] Wiki reports section, there's already one thread about copyright violation [08:10:26] okay, thank you! [08:10:29] licenses are kind of copyright, I guess [08:12:50] have you tried to contact that person tho? [08:14:01] I have not, but they have previously gotten in trouble for the exact same thing, multiple times. [08:14:49] also on Miraheze? [08:15:13] not on Miraheze, but on Fandom [08:15:17] they use the same username [11:11:58] the thing about it in any case is that they're in the clear if they just credit the original source [11:12:15] I find it remarkably poor form but it does not go much farther than that [11:12:37] now if they won't/can't, that may be grounds to go further [11:21:05] from what i've seen, they've never given credit, they just copy-paste everything [11:22:32] they have a fandom wiki where they've copied a few paragraphs of my content verbatim, and copied bits and pieces of another person's OC, so I'll have to contact Fandom about that, too [11:23:13] if they were a kid who did it once and twice, got called out, and apologized i wouldn't be too bothered, but this person has been doing this for a while and never seems to learn their lesson [11:23:58] I just checked via SN, and gotta say - manually copy pasting over 250 content pages + files + templates in just one month is an indication of too much free time for sure [11:24:39] MHM [11:25:13] That's exactly what I thought; this person claims to be 19-20, they should be out talking to people and getting a job, not this [11:25:14] well let me put it this way, they will give credit, or they're gone [11:25:25] as it should be!! [11:25:46] depending how extensive the background is that I find I may put in a word with wiki creators for future attempts [11:26:21] if they're willing to put in this much effort to steal crap, they can, at the very least, either add a little note saying "Originally from Tokyomewmewpower.fandom.com" or make a wiki with their own words and content [11:28:40] I've also alerted an admin of the original wiki that got copied, since I figured she'd want to know that this person hasn't stopped. [11:29:02] as they've also apparently stolen videos that the admin has posted [11:29:17] but that's for youtube to deal with lmao [11:29:49] did we ever had YT copyright cases? [11:33:19] outside our scope, so I wouldn't think so [11:33:59] yeah i imagine the most you guys could do is just delete videos from Miraheze [11:34:42] even there it's just out of scope [11:34:47] lol I only now noticed the role icons are gone [11:34:48] a strictly youtube concern [11:35:03] don't think that was from our end [11:35:29] it's because of nitro? [11:36:01] dunno why nitro would affect it [11:36:08] unless we fell off in boost [11:36:51] yeah, I guess we did [11:36:56] oh well [11:37:20] might have been ca withdrawing, I think he had 3 or so boost levels [11:37:56] tbh I think it's better w/o icons [11:38:15] I do prefer cleaner servers [11:38:16] although it was nice to have paintbrush next my name [12:17:48] Yep, role icons are a level 2 perk, we are 3 boosts short of that right now [12:18:48] Weren't you boosting at some point too? [12:52:30] I may have been temporarily but I haven't played with boosts in a long time [16:23:35] almost forgot but I don't think anyone has interacted with this yet? So, bump 👉👈 [17:22:03] Aren't they all in a single file as well? [17:22:20] I think it should be a automated process for each wiki [17:34:50] I may be misunderstanding but it is not feasible to individually/automatically upload each dump, but more granularity would definitely be good [18:15:03] uwu? [18:15:05] 😄 [18:15:33] I don't believe that helps with my cache issue [18:15:41] I love anime fans, their moves are so funny 😄 [18:16:04] Weird! [18:16:26] off topic was the word I said. [18:40:58] You mentioned clearing cache, but have you used the in-page 'purge' action? [18:41:10] That's different than cache and forces the server to re-parse the page [18:42:00] [1/2] I'm looking for a concise guide to getting started customizing your Wiki once it is approved, but the links to Wikia don't really apply as I'm not hosting this and don't have access to a file structure on a server to add extensions. For example, I have enabled the use of the Forum feature but Miraheze doesn't have an intuitive interface for adding a link to the forum to your wi [18:42:00] [2/2] ki, or even telling you where to find it (what's the link?) after you enable the functionality. How do I customize where I want links and menus to appear? There are very complex dev instructions and guides but not much in the way of an easy to use guide for the layperson. I would love suggestions if you have them. [18:42:01] That can sometimes help when a fix has already been completed but the page is still showing old stuff. [18:42:15] You can force purge the sidebar cache by making a null edit to MediaWiki:Sidebar [18:44:15] MediaWiki instructions, for the most part, should work. Most things you have to do are on-wiki but just not intuitive. If you're talking about WikiForum, that extension is horribly broken (nasty security issues) and will be completely uninstalled next time we upgrade MediaWiki in June but when it used to work, it was available at Special:WikiForum [18:45:16] So better to do a PBB or something similar externally and add a link to it? [18:45:34] @Agent see DM [19:21:25] Use DPLForum as the last surviving and fully functional forum feature [19:21:50] navigation and interface is controlled through pages in the MediaWiki namespace, the sidebar for example being MediaWiki:Sidebar [19:22:57] Note that changes through ManageWiki and sometimes through MediaWiki messages (especially customizing overall wiki css) are not always instant: the rule of thumb for me is 'wait 10 minutes' [19:25:24] [1/3] reading through [[mw:Help:Contents]] is a good idea for any starting operator; it's not the most concise but for the most part its information is good to know sooner or later, and the only flagrant inconsistencies are when it tells you to change php files or install things through the server. For the most part, file and interface changes are handled through [[ManageWiki]]. A pri [19:25:24] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/ManageWiki [19:25:24] [2/3] mer on it will be linked below. [19:25:25] [3/3] There's room for a more concise starting point, sadly I don't think such a guide exists yet. [19:25:25]

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[2/2] [20:08:53] I didn't know about that! Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work :/ [20:18:31] Hmmm. Do you have any example pages where it doesn't work vs where it does? [20:30:03] [1/4] I've tried it on two pages and the issue is the same: nothing appears when I look at the page, however, if I'm previewing an edit, "In other languages" appears in the sidebar. [20:30:03] [2/4] Though I haven't had the opportunity to find someone who could maybe check if it worked for them, granted they haven't visited the page before if it's a cache issue, lol. [20:30:04] [3/4] -> "in other languages" doesn't show up [20:30:04] [4/4] -> "in other languages" shows up, only when I'm online somehow [20:36:12] I see it show up [20:37:26] Ahh, that's a good sign. Does that mean it should update eventually, and I'm not missing a step, then? [20:38:26] I think it's probably just a local cache issue [20:38:34] what skin are you using? [20:39:23] MinervaNeue [20:40:26] o [20:46:32] Does that bring anything to the table? haha [21:00:08] Well, Sidebar isn't displayed on the MinervaNeue skin as it's intended as mobile-only/mobile first, but I am seeing the same odd behavior on Vector2022 [21:06:10] I guess I'm a little bit confused in that case, since I'm referring to this Sidebar which is always displayed [21:07:59] This did make me check on mobile, and "Language" does appear at the bottom of the Main page and top of the page I linked above, so I'm hopeful that it mostly works,,, [21:08:58] It appears on Vector 2010 [21:09:03] not sure why not on Vector 2022 [21:23:21] holy crap TIL that my personal settings were set to Vector 2022 [21:24:04] ...so upon further inspection, it works on MinervaNeue but not Vector 2022 [21:27:01] Sorry I got confused because MinervaNeue is enabled, but not the default. I just understood by reading the Skins page on Meta [21:31:47] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Hello [21:31:56] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> I am very upset about something [21:32:11] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> And I don't know what to do about it [21:38:13] Well noone can help you, if all you tell is that your are "upset about something" for what should be pretty obvious reasons [21:57:54] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Here I will show you what it is [21:58:00] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> https://dreamlogos.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Moderation [21:58:08] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> This page is getting on my nerves [21:58:15] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> I can't delete it. It won't let me [21:58:40] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> I don't even have a moderation role on the wiki anymore so what gives [21:58:56] Do you have the Moderation extension enabled on your wiki? That special page is connected to that extension [21:59:15] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Idk let me check [21:59:45] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> What category is it in? [21:59:51] Spam prevention [22:00:00] Special pages can't be deleted but the extension can be removed [22:00:10] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Oh I did find it [22:00:57] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> I disabled it [22:02:40] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132, replying to Agent#3928> As long as it doesn't keep sending new edits to that page to accept/deny then I'm fine with it [22:05:02] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> I tried to accept this last edit from the page but now the edit is voided' [22:07:17] Yeah, all edits in the queue are now inaccessible [22:07:26] so people will have to resubmit their edits [22:08:08] <𝐒𝐇.𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐢𝐞#1132> Oh ok