[00:08:26] Glad to be of help, so did I. 😄 [01:24:16] dang wikis are overwhelming at first [01:27:48] exploring other random wikis on miraheze has also been, erm.. charming. [11:12:53] <[UA]Koval#3609> Hi, I have couple of questions I haven't found answers for [11:13:28] <[UA]Koval#3609> Can I Upload videofile to wiki, or every video I need to upload to youtube first and use ? [11:15:00] <[UA]Koval#3609> Also, is it possible to upload multiple files, or I need to upload them one-by-one? [11:29:28] First is yes [11:29:39] Not sure on what the current working multi upload tool is [11:32:44] <[UA]Koval#3609> OK, how do people usually handle Category pages? I have Category page that I need to fill with information, but I've never seen any wikis that describe information directly on Category:Page, instead normal page is created [11:45:16] Category page should only be a signpost to information on topics within a category [11:59:20] [1/2] Yeah 1 or 2 sentences at most, if needed, for category pages outside the auto generated list of pages in the category, but most times, it is fine to have nothing at all. If you use sub-categories (ie. putting categories in other categories) the Category tree extension can help make the auto generated list of page son the category pages a bit nicer though imo https://www.mediawik [11:59:20] [2/2] i.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree [12:19:29] <[UA]Koval#3609> So if I want to describe category "Dogs" I need to create separate page with name "Dogs" and describe it here? Ok, but how do I link Category:Dogs then to page "Dogs"? [12:24:37] hello there, is there any problem with login? I found myself logged off and now I can't seem to log in again... [12:32:48] [1/3] Every wiki is different, but generally yes, if you need to describe what dogs are in general terms, you should have a "Dogs" page doing that. And since "Dogs" is a completely different page to "Category:Dogs", you can just add it with the normal syntax as you would any other page you want to add to the category describing in this case probably individ [12:32:49] [2/3] ual breeds of dogs of whatever it is you are doing, ie. adding `[[Category: Dogs]]` somewhere on the "Dogs" page (Generally those things are added at the very bottom of a page, but technically it doesn't matter where you put it). Categories themselves shouldn't generally be descibed though, they exists more to allow people to find other pages with a s [12:32:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:_Dogs [12:32:49] [3/3] imilar kind of topic to what they are already reading. Ie. maybe they are reading about Chihuahuas(spelling?), then they can easily go to its Dogs category to find a page on Labradors [13:13:24] is there a way to edit multiple pages at once? i wanna categorize pictures on my wiki but there are too many to do it one by one [13:14:01] <[UA]Koval#3609, replying to Gummiel#0001> Ok, I see, so then page "Dogs" should be in Category:Dogs? Thank you. [14:45:59] <[UA]Koval#3609> also, another small question about naming conventios: should categoriy names be in plural? [14:49:39] <[UA]Koval#3609> seems Wikipedia uses plurals [14:50:30] [1/2] Things like naming conventions are up to individual wikis to decide. You may want to create a style guide or manual of style to ensure consistency around the wiki. [14:50:30] [2/2] The English Wikipedia uses plurals for set categories (e.g. "Writers"), and singular for topic categories (e.g. "Law", "France"). [14:51:07] Whatever direction you go in, it's best to be consistent. It'll be confusing if one category is named "Writers" and the other "Painter". [14:52:15] <[UA]Koval#3609, replying to k6ka#1014> Thank you, that's why I am asking, my wiki is far from being consistent, and I don't want to invent standart, I want to use existing one, like english Wikipedia. [14:54:22] Every wiki is different, so eventually you may find that you'll need to write your own style guide. However, you can take inspiration from others. There's no hard-and-fast rule to this sort of stuff. [14:54:34] Speaking as someone who does this sort of writing for a living [14:55:07] <[UA]Koval#3609> Wow, sounds cool [14:55:51] <[UA]Koval#3609> [1/2] Another issue I ran into: [14:55:52] <[UA]Koval#3609> [2/2] My wiki has pages that describe people, like me. I have page User:Koval, and I have individual page on wiki Koval. What do I do with page "User:Koval"? [14:56:08] <[UA]Koval#3609> I thought about redirect, but I am afraid to lose User tools [14:56:27] <[UA]Koval#3609> Do I do soft-redirect? [14:58:35] Those two pages are entirely separate. "User:Koval" is your user page, while "Koval" is an article in the main namespace (also known as the article namespace or mainspace; it is where all of your wiki's articles are located). [14:59:05] Redirecting your user page will not affect your account or edit access. [15:00:00] <[UA]Koval#3609> Yeah, but I want to still have access to list of links on side with Tools related to that user. [15:02:45] You can also find those links on your user talk page and your user contributions page. [15:05:13] <[UA]Koval#3609> [1/2] Oh, I see, thx again. [15:05:13] <[UA]Koval#3609> [2/2] By the way: Is there a name for template that is often used instead of categories at the bottom of pages that contains links to other pages in same category? [15:15:31] They're commonly called Navboxes. [15:22:42] <_AR1A#9993> How do I make someone an admin and a bureaucrat? [15:34:27] Special:UserRights on your wiki [15:43:33] <[UA]Koval#3609> how do I add Template:Infobox? It seems Mediawiki has one, but it's not on meta.miraheze [15:53:39] [1/2] MediaWiki site? the wiki itself doesn't have any templates by default, you gotta make them by yourself [15:53:39] [2/2] I highly suggest to use PortableInfobox extension for that, coding guides are in pinned messages here [16:03:15] <[UA]Koval#3609, replying to Legroom#2748> oh no I confused infobox and navbox. I meant to say that I need to somehow add Navbox [16:03:56] <[UA]Koval#3609> Page "Infobox 101" on meta.miraheze was helpful enough to make my own infobox, but I can't find any way to do navbox [16:18:05] <[UA]Koval#3609> I guess I will try to reshape infobox to navbox [16:33:31] that's a strange thing to do, but navboxes are generally easie [16:34:35] it either can be a simple time (for each navbox an each own), or you can copy FANDOMs navbox builder thingy [17:08:11] <[UA]Koval#3609> I am so glad I don't have to work with fandom, Miraheze is a blessing [17:19:16] there are reasons to hate FANDOM, sure, but some things they have like PortableInfobox and snippets from dev wiki are good [18:48:42] Why am I receiving this while trying to log in? [21:11:20] @Site Reliability Engineers might need a sessions reset? [21:42:03] Why do I not have such a problem? [21:42:51] I think the problem will be solved if he refreshes the page, clears the cookies, data or connects to another internet. [22:20:47] it’s not for every user [22:40:18] done on different devices and connections. [22:43:14] [1/2] Just to note to everyone here Miraheze will have my resignation and full retirement by tomorrow. This is a broken institution and users actions outside of Naleksuh have made me loose faith in the entire institution and regardless of anything that can ever be done, nothing can help anymore. I have tried to do a lot for Miraheze, even after my resignation from SRE but things j [22:43:15] [2/2] ust keep getting worse, and I can no longer remain apart of this company, which is not what I initially joined. Nothing can be done to fix Miraheze, and it seems everything just has gone down hill for quite a while. And apparently Miraheze directly wishes to just push more and more users out, including the essential volunteers. [22:44:19] Sadly, I will join the train above. I have loved Miraheze quite dearly and even during thick and thin stood by its side but I no longer can when a user has managed to abuse the system so severely that it has ended up in the ban of a user who was really more of the victim than victimizer [22:51:16] I don't understand. are you giving up because you judge the global ban to be wrong? are you doing this because you don't trust anymore who insisted on the ban? please let the community know [22:56:11] Because Miraheze is broken beyond what one global ban can fix, and beyond what anything can fix. [22:56:38] I just posted my removal request on Stewards noticeboard @Stewards [22:59:26] I'll process that soon [23:00:34] won't insist, though the timing clearly reveals that the global ban is the issue. but I'm not aware of the things reported so I cannot have a well formed opinion [23:00:37] Just read about him in meta.miraheze [23:00:45] What a bad version [23:01:29] I've recently joined both polytope and miratope server few days ago so I don't actually know him [23:01:39] I didn't have any conversation to him [23:01:54] No, I posted the global ban, it isn't why. Unfixable issues are way. [23:02:42] oh then @CosmicAlpha = UniversalOmega. it makes sense [23:03:11] Yes [23:03:42] Hey [23:03:58] I don't know what's the purpose of miraheze? [23:04:02] I guess I'll remain logged out of the system then >.< [23:04:13] I only contribute to the polytope wiki [23:04:42] https://polytope.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [23:05:53] Ohhhh [23:06:13] It is a platform where anyone can create something like a normal wiki [23:06:29] Miraheze is also the hosting service for the wiki you contribute to [23:06:38] Oh no [23:06:48] What have you done Nakleshu [23:07:53] it's a question going around these days [23:08:58] I wish that Nakleshu wouldn't affect more the wikis that are hosted by Miraheze [23:10:07] @Agent do you intend to resign from SRE as well [23:10:25] I will, yes [23:10:38] That's what most saddens me, I feel for those who'll have to take on extra slack [23:10:48] I enjoyed being a sysadmin quite profusely, I really did [23:10:58] Nothing brings me more joy than working on MediaWiki [23:11:05] I will make it clear, I will be remaining and shifting my focus to attempt to fix this broken system. [23:11:11] This is goodbye from me as I leave entirely also. [23:11:20] Back in March, a user on this Discord server stated that Miraheze will become the next ShoutWiki; now, I believe that this is that transformation [23:11:22] I feel for Reception123 who will be the only one one left on a majority of teams [23:11:24] It isn't possible. [23:11:31] Would like to clarify publicly re WikiForge? [23:11:34] I have to try. [23:11:36] I assume the partnership is off [23:11:45] Ive been around here for far too long to just not to try [23:11:49] Will not happen. [23:12:33] If I remain, this is my goal as well. Which to be honest, remaining isn't a sure fire thing. [23:13:06] It is a waste of time. If I thought it even remotely possible I would have tried from the inside. Miraheze as a whole doesn't want to appear to change, so it never will... [23:13:15] that will leave only me + reception on the mediawiki team and 4 sre members total, which is quite unfortunate [23:13:15] Where should our wikis go? [23:13:52] I have nothing but admiration for my colleagues though, especially Reception123 who has been through thick and thin as basically the only active sysadmin for long periods of time in history and an excellent Steward [23:14:01] Where else? [23:14:02] I think wikis are safe for now [23:14:04] Miraheze isn't shutting down [23:14:08] Oh, ok. [23:14:09] Ignore everyone who's leaving [23:14:15] WikiForge maybe if you want an alternative to Miraheze [23:14:19] but Miraheze is fine [23:14:34] Let's hope not [23:14:57] To be 100% clear, Miraheze is fine and funded, it won't be going anywhere today, tomorrow and almost certainly the next day too. [23:15:16] CosmicAlpha: I assume you will remain on the board until the end of July when your term expires? [23:15:21] (enter me, creating the largest self-jinx of all time. 😅 ) [23:15:21] No [23:15:30] I will be resigning from the board [23:15:45] Indeed, we are thankfully did well on the fundraiser this year [23:15:51] A shame I won't be able to organize next year's [23:15:52] brilliant [23:15:58] Financially, it will be here until at least the end of this year [23:16:32] ok then maybe someone will let me log in again 😂 [23:17:06] how does volunteering for miraheze work [23:17:14] just. doing helpful stuff? [23:17:27] getting a name out there that way? [23:17:36] Right now an SRE is resigning, so that's a big hole. [23:17:50] this situation sucks and I want to help in some way [23:17:51] Volunteering can be anything from helping here on Discord to helping users who ask questions on wiki [23:18:05] It isn't a super formal role you have to apply for [23:18:13] anyone can do it whenever they want to without commitment [23:18:20] Try clearing cookies, and if not, poke me in a few minutes or so in #sre [23:19:00] i can say now that SRE will be severely undermanned, and will certainly not be able to get things done quickley [23:19:03] frankly I'm sad? [23:19:16] I- [23:20:47] It's okay, take your time [23:22:41] I feel most bad for teams like SRE and Stewards who will now be severely undermanned [23:22:51] Sad how a single user can destroy an entire project with their pettiness [23:23:07] well, with 12-1 support, the ban will very likely pass [23:23:09] I have alot I wanna say, but I can’t [23:23:31] Personally, I'm most disgruntled about Nale being able to abuse the system to get Raidarr globally banned [23:23:51] ^ [23:23:53] He's a parasite to the project and I blame myself for not dealing with him sooner [23:23:55] look on the bright side, going forward the team should be more alert to potential abuses and ways of dealing with it can be put together [23:23:55] was there ever consensus (cc: @Orduin) if the ban was valid [23:24:07] No idea, Board is handling this [23:24:16] Board being Void + Owen I guess [23:24:18] @CosmicAlpha seeing as you're still on the board, mind taking a look? [23:24:20] if that's alright [23:24:21] I don't know if UO is still on [23:24:22] How does the nale situation equate to what happen to radiarr? [23:24:35] raidarr was T/S banned [23:24:35] er, I spoke too much [23:24:51] oh [23:25:02] You had access to the investigation and information, that was a piece of the puzzle - not the full picture [23:25:20] did Agent support the ban> [23:25:31] I apologize Owen but you must understand I'm still rather unhappy [23:25:41] I have no resentment though and I believe Owen is a stellar person [23:25:45] Frankly owen, it appears you are the only one that “has the full picture” which is an issue that I plan on addressing soon [23:26:18] When you have an organisation so severely understaffed, that's expected [23:26:19] To be honest, I think the community would appreciate an explanation in as much detail as you can give without violating NDA [23:26:29] And one or two sentences cannot cut it [23:26:42] Which I understand to a point which is why T&S should have checks and balances [23:26:43] Owen is synonymous with Miraheze and he's done quite a lot for the project, it's a shame it has come to this [23:26:52] Agent had the full picture and the Board can have it on request as is standard process [23:27:14] I thought you just said it was a piece of the full picture, not the full thing [23:27:28] What Agent shared above was part of it [23:27:44] But Agent had the full picture before he resigned [23:27:59] Owen, surely you can see how being the sole person in T&S is an issue [23:28:10] Absolutely [23:28:14] as well as chair of the board....? [23:28:34] We're rather understaffed so it's unfortunately something that is bound to happen [23:28:36] I would like to second this for the record @Owen. I am not attempting to insult you in the slightest. [23:28:43] Hey - why are we latching on and trying make me the bad guy now? [23:28:51] I think it wouldnt be unwise to include the board into t&s for the time being [23:29:02] I'm just trying to note the expansive flaws in what has happened [23:29:08] No one is, I’m just trying to offer a solution to an issue [23:29:13] I hold two very important roles - not because of power - but because of numbers, capability and experience [23:29:14] I apologize if I came across that way, that wasn't my intent [23:29:21] For the record I don't think this is Owen's fault either, it is not fair to claim otherwise. [23:29:38] I think at some point everyone is at fault [23:29:39] These were systemic issues that were just aggravated [23:29:43] Everyone is at fault, indeed [23:29:48] Agree [23:30:06] I think some may be at more fault then others, but no one is innocent [23:30:15] Unfortunately I need to hold a position on the Board and as Director of Trust and Safety. If I had a choice, I'd step away from the Board and just be T&S [23:30:42] I would like to consider elections/appointments for the Board soon [23:30:49] I believe once CA resigns, we are in need of a new technical director [23:30:57] Couldnt we hold an election and then go from there? [23:30:59] I wholeheartedly believe we have no eligible users for the role [23:31:13] Those who are have too many hats already [23:31:17] Been trying to do that for 3 years now [23:31:38] How so? i’ve never seen any mention of it onwiki? [23:31:48] This has been discussed so many times here [23:31:51] I think we might want to take a chance on some users [23:31:54] technical director is meant to be an SRE member [23:31:55] it's really our only option [23:31:57] Stewards have the page and everything ready for it [23:32:12] We already have manuals and pages, guides, help pages, etc. [23:32:15] yes and I think it should be Reception or you [23:32:23] out of the 4 people one is already a board member so really only 3 people are eligible [23:32:29] Reception123 has declined already [23:32:37] There was one process on wiki and it never got past step 1, the other couple of times no one from the community wanted to start it as no one was interested in applying [23:32:41] that would leave me or pal-ladox [23:32:57] quite frankly we are in an emergency scenario regarding leadership [23:33:01] MacFan is rather busy and so is paladox [23:33:04] so that's an issue [23:33:14] Time + experience/judgement [23:33:17] [1/5] as of 3 days ago, we had [23:33:17] [2/5] 4 stewards [23:33:18] [3/5] 5 SRE [23:33:18] [4/5] 3 Board [23:33:18] [5/5] 2 T/S [23:33:34] [1/5] now, we have [23:33:34]