[00:31:02] When you create any page and link it, it's usually going to grab an image because of SEO - you can try to specify what image you want it to grab by using different extensions. WikiSEO is one of the ones I use. I'm not 100% on whether you can prevent it from grabbing any image on a page. [00:31:18] Alrighty, thanks [00:31:20] I'll try it out [01:20:26] [1/3] small general wikimedia help as i'm not great at templates. i don't know how to make a wikitable template have enterable texts it keeps overriding it with the placeholder text in the template (even if it's empty). [01:20:26] [2/3] template https://supersonicowiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:TCGSK [01:20:26] [3/3] usage (second table) https://supersonicowiki.miraheze.org/wiki/List_of_Trading_Cards#SoniAni_Extra_Booster_Pack [01:59:45] Who do I transfer #miraheze-dev and #miraheze-feed-dev to when I resign from that wiki soon? [02:01:27] @zppix ? [02:08:30] CosmicAlpha: I’d say either Zppix or Reception123 [02:09:59] Also who should I transfer #miraheze-tech, #miraheze-offtopic, #miraheze-overflow, and #miraheze-feed-login to? [02:11:11] And someone will need to take over the relay bot token for Discord by regenerating a new one [02:12:05] You’ll have to work with Infra on that [02:12:28] for the channels probably Reception123 would be best [02:15:37] @orduin you can remove all random rights I hold globally except for devwiki (yet, I'll resign that myself later) if you have time [02:18:59] MacFan4000: yeah maybe, I'll talk with them later. But also #miraheze-feed-beta as well [03:33:37] messages here are most likely to get lost, can you create thread in #support ? I'll try to check [03:37:03] Well bye everyone [03:38:32] done [04:07:52] Would this apply to a wiki covering a series of novels? A literary universe? [04:18:17] @SungHerSong#1413, what do you mean? That sounds like a fictional worldbuilding wiki, and is certainly allowed :) [04:20:30] Does miraheze support other LaTeX packages, such as xlop? [04:21:14] I wasn't sure if it fit into that category or not. The "Constructed World" bit threw me off. [04:21:14] @Doug you aorund [04:21:17] around [04:21:19] > Your wiki request (#32855) was successfully submitted. Your request will be reviewed by a volunteer wiki creator as soon as possible. [04:21:47] I'd like to create a wiki for an indie author's (whose work I enjoy) literary universe. [04:22:36] He's on board with the idea as well. My personal server is just getting a bit crowded and I didn't want to purchase another URL. 😂 [04:22:54] also thank you dmehus for removing rights on testwiki [04:33:24] You can transfer it to me [04:44:57] constructed world is a catch-all term for any fictional universe, including literary ones [04:49:18] I think than a wiki about existing media would better fit into fandom, the world building is used exactly by authors to help them to think out world/lore by themselves [04:50:43] although I can't be sure 100%, I don't like the "fandom" label and feel like the categories need an overhaul [04:54:26] Well, the author (Vaughn Ashby) is on board with the idea. [04:54:36] BrandonWM: np :) [04:54:40] He said via. email that it would probably help him keep track of hte lore as well. [04:54:49] I'll deal later, I resigned now and left the IRC channels, so I'll deal later. [04:55:27] [1/4] > Hey Korra, [04:55:28] [2/4] > [04:55:28] [3/4] > That all sounds amazing. I've never put a wiki together before, I can only imagine how much work it must be. I'm down for helping in any way I can. I don't mind sharing any and all information I have to fill it out. [04:55:28] [4/4] > I mean it might end up helping me in the long run to keep things straight 🙂 [04:58:56] @SungHerSong#1413, ah, okay, fair enough. It used to be called 'fictional worldbuilding wiki'. Maybe we changed it, but yeah constructed world would be the one you want :) [04:59:31] He writes a lot of books/novellas, and "Flash fiction" based on images that catch his eye. [05:00:18] [1/2] His Twitter Bio [05:00:19] [2/2] > Bestselling Canadian sci-fi horror author. Think Lost meets X-Files, or Westworld meets Stranger Things, you get the idea confusing thing meets scary thing. [05:00:48] I want to read the flash fiction and the remaining novels, but I can't keep track of the lore without a wiki. [05:01:20] who is that? [05:01:39] The author? Vaughn Ashby. [05:02:02] oh cool, I'm Canadian, and work in a library, but haven't heard of him [05:02:23] He's a self published indie author. [05:02:36] ah, that'd be why, cool though :) [05:03:30] I discovered his books via. a site I get review copies from back in 2021. I've wanted to make a wiki for them ever since. [05:04:01] ah, cool :) [05:04:15] NetGalley, I'm guessing? [05:04:49] A guy I went to high school with self-published this cool sounding sci-fi futuristic mystery novel (https://www.amazon.ca/Positive-Memory-watching-memories-humanity/dp/1525586025) [05:04:50] StoryOrigin. [05:04:55] cool :) [05:05:25] It's a multi-purpose site. Authors can give their books away "free" for newsletter sign ups and so on. [05:05:34] oh [05:05:44] And I discovered it in August 2021 as a source of endless indie-audiobook review copies. [05:06:02] I discovered 2 of my favorite series back then. [05:06:23] the Bloodlines Reforged Saga, which I now run the officia wiki for, and the Aurora Wasteland, which I really want to make a wiki for. [05:06:30] but yeah, makes sense (re: your purpose of your proposed wiki) [05:07:03] Part of my hope with these wikis, I hope by making the lore more approachable, it'll help new fans get into the series. [05:08:26] I'm a lore nerd. I love being able to visit a wiki and spend hours reading lore articles from stuff I didn't know existed. Or to be able to easily refresh my memory on things I'd forgotten. [05:44:45] @Tali64 I left an important note on your candidacy, Tali, I wanted to inform you. Good luck [05:45:08] that's a 100% yes then (it's amazing when authors supports you too) [05:48:33] From my experience, it really makes (indie) authors days when their work connects with you. When you like it enough to want to make a wiki, well, they seem to really appreciate the gesture. [05:49:22] "When you love something, you want to tell the world about it." [05:49:33] ikr [05:50:00] It's worse when you're either the last fan standing, or nobody else knows about something yet and you're just waiting for people to discoverit. [05:50:05] why I started my wiki, because the subject comes off downplayed way too often xd [05:50:19] Good morning [05:50:23] Everyone [05:50:48] by the way i forgot to mention it in the first place lol [05:52:22] [1/2] ikr [2] [05:52:22] [2/2] I've actively participated in communities of two MOBA-like games I liked, admining 4 wikis overall (in 2 languages), but they were destined to die w/ they low popularity - and died in the end, hurt me so much, felt like absolute waste of time [05:54:41] now seeing my current wiki getting some recognition as far as a journalist decided to reach me out, and yesterday some youtuber used materials in their video (although I had to ask them to credit the wiki) gave me sensible boost [05:57:07] [1/2] When I discovered the Bloodlines Reforged Saga, it was through Fires That Forge. A Sherlock Holmes-esque murder mystery set in a medieval fantasy world. [05:57:07] [2/2] I took note of how many titles, ranks, positions, and so on that each character had. It told me the author, R.J. Hanson, put a lot of work into his world building. As nobody bothers with that much detail for the sake of having detail. [05:57:36] Then I found out another one of my review copies was a separate trology set in the same fantasy world, something I've been wishing more fantasy authors would do for years. I was hooked. [05:59:18] [1/3] As I was listening, I kept wishing that somebody would make a wiki for it so I could look into all of the titles, ranks, etc. [05:59:18] [2/3] With characters such as "Kings Inquisitor Dunewell, who is also a Silver Helm and a member of the Sword Bearers, a secret society who believes nobody, not even Kings are above the law..." [05:59:19] [3/3] It gets to be a bit much to remember. [06:05:27] One of the things I like about the Aurora Wasteland literary universe that makes me want to make a wiki for it [06:07:09] [1/2] Most of the books are standalone novels. But they reference events from the other stories. So it adds a lot of re-readability. But it's hard to keep track of them all (at least for me it is). I have a hard time with names. A wiki would make it much easier to make note of which events happen, in which books, and which books reference them. As well as possible recurring char [06:07:09] [2/2] acters or mentions of them. [06:09:21] Ok [07:39:57] Where do I find all my templates? [07:44:06] `Special:AllPages`, choose Template namespace [07:44:20] There is a Special:Templates page that list them all as well [07:45:00] That one doesn't work? [07:45:00] there's no such special page [07:47:51] What the hell is this then? [07:48:39] extension? [07:49:05] both of my wikis threw "No such special page" [07:49:57] huh, maybe, tbf, I wasn't the original creator of the wiki, even if I am the one doing the vast majority of the work by now [07:50:08] Disambiguation extension adds Special:DisambiguationPages, for example [07:57:25] Hmm might be part of this one I geuss, hard to tell for sure, honestly thought the Special:AdminLinks itself was default too xD, but guess not https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Admin_Links [07:59:10] nope, I use this Admin Links as well [08:04:14] I was suspecting there's could Special:Templates, but upon checking SpecialPages haven't found it, max AllPages for that [08:04:29] welp, no idea then, it existed for as long as I had admin and beroucrat(I can never spell that right xD) on the wiki [08:04:42] feel ya on spelling lol [08:04:48] I hate this word [08:12:31] but yeah no idea, there is no "Special:WhereTheHellDoesEachSpecialComeFrom" page afterall 😛 and nothing obvious otherwise in my extensions list in that is activated otherwise from [08:27:44] yeah, I can't find either ... [09:09:16] I reskinned/rethemed my wiki to look more like WikiVoyage [09:09:20] [1/2] It's from Extension:Page Forms [09:09:20] [2/2] [09:13:25] What are your fave/lest fave extensions? [09:15:06] Ahh yeah, I would NEVER have geussed on that one xD [09:21:04] What are your fave/lest fave extensions? [09:22:11] That question doesn't really make sense, as extensions are so varied and for different purposes, what may be an absolutely crucial extension on one wiki, may make no sense on another wiki [09:36:24] Are there any known for bugs? [09:38:46] dark mode lol [09:43:23] Why does dark mode have a lot of bugs [09:43:45] no, it's just bad [09:43:58] it doesn't work like you would expect it to work [09:44:25] although I do consider blacked out tables to be a bug [09:44:51] I did not know dark mode was such a problem [09:45:18] How should it work? [09:46:30] it simply inverts colors of elements and manages to invert color of ages, which shouldn't happen in a normal dark mode [09:46:46] Dark mode basically flips every color opposite [09:47:21] Unlike themes with integrated dark mode [09:47:45] Did they so some kind of short cut when it was coded? [09:47:58] Nope [09:48:13] So, why does it invert eveything? That is kinda odd [09:48:33] As themes doesn't let people fine tuning [09:48:48] Seems custom css is the way to go for a theme of your own [09:48:53] Yep [09:48:59] yeah [09:49:40] I know some themes have extremely complex theming they even alter extensions [09:50:00] Does it look nice though once it is done? [09:50:13] Yep [09:50:28] Even extensions sync the looking with the theme [09:51:35] Hmmm, my currant theme is just default vector with Wikipedia inspired infoboxes and banners (like WIkiVoyage) [10:06:13] Should I considered retheming it? [10:07:23] No idea, I would consider using a "probably easy" responsive skin and retheming as you like [10:08:19] Citizen is probably easiest as there are lots of documentation [10:08:38] https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/wiki/Adapting-Citizen-styles [10:18:58] What common mistakes do you think people make when theming their wiki? [10:22:43] [1/4] Bad coloring (use Color Contrast Checker to fix that) [10:22:43] [2/4] Place images at wrong locations [10:22:43] [3/4] Using unresponsive themes that it adds extra works (like using MobileFrontend) [10:22:43] [4/4] Use outdated extensions while there's a newer one exist (like Tabber which TabberNeue is the latest) [10:28:50] Also remember, mobile users are dominating the view counts so a wiki should be mobile first [10:34:18] I am using Vector + ,MobileFrontend right now [10:34:43] Isn't MobileFrontend require a second skin? [10:34:47] 🤔 [10:36:30] Yes, using the Wikimedia mobile skin [10:39:35] oh wait, what Vector do you use? 2010? [10:39:53] I am planning on fixing my main page + doing altertions to templates (asking Lake when they get on) [10:39:58] 2010 for now [10:40:42] I could use 2022 if it made it respovive [10:40:43] If I'm correct, the default MobileFrontend skin is Minerva [10:40:47] I use that [10:40:55] Alongside Vector 2010 [10:45:17] If you are some what familiar with the Minerva skin, I would suggest you to work on that [10:45:31] Vector 2022 is just too slow + steal all reading spaces [10:46:01] Minerva is much faster than even Vector 2010 [10:46:25] I use Minerva for mobile and Vector 2010 for desktop [10:47:12] Oh, I mean use Minerva on both desktop and mobile, the MobileFrontend will add a separation for Minerva on mobile [10:47:57] welp, you can swap back to vector 2010 if the working with Minerva is too hard [10:50:30] Maybe, I do not know how to theme Minerva [10:51:27] Vector 2022 wastes so much space [10:51:56] When you know how to manipulate CSS, theming would be very easy, especially on Minerva [10:52:03] Lemme check its CSS a bit [10:53:47] Oh, the theme's CSS is absolute easy to modify (if you have a desktop and use element inspector) [10:55:15] Timeless is quite colorful I noted [10:56:22] yep, it was made in the era which responsive skins are starting to appear [10:56:41] I have gone for a light greyscale look with black text for now [10:57:13] So, default Vector 2010 (and default Minerva) and light grey scales for infoboxes and black text [10:58:22] made with Timeless skin [10:59:17] Neat! Your main page I see [10:59:31] not mine, stolen from somewhere else [11:02:52] [1/2] You can check how they are using CSS codes, both mobile and desktop view use only Timeless [11:02:52] [2/2] https://grayravens.com/wiki/Lucia:_Crimson_Abyss [11:03:15] Btw that wiki was hosted on MH [11:08:56] Neat! [11:09:39] WHy do the Wikimedia wikis use Vector with no color changes to the skin itself with CSS? [11:10:17] *Wikipedia [11:10:40] Also stuffs are on Wikipedia is extremely hard to use [11:11:24] ^Same reason why I don't use Vector [11:15:08] WikiVoyage uses Vector 2010 [11:15:50] There are many other Wikimedia projects still use V2010 [11:16:40] Wikipedia is a V2022 testing ground [11:17:43] I think my pages look nice now I added the banner and redid the infoboxes [11:18:05] https://taerel.com/wiki/index.php/Taerel:Aagr%27ozla_Lush_River [11:18:17] A sample page to show the new infobox looks + banner [11:18:32] oh damn that banner look nice [11:18:59] I took ideas from WikiVoyage (so same banner add on thing WikiVoyage uses_ [11:19:16] Infobox looks a bit wonky though [11:19:25] Yes, I am unsure how to fix it [11:19:41] Same [11:20:27] What do you think of the infobox colors? [11:20:57] well, I would say that should depend on the background and make it a bit darker [11:22:01] ^extra focus in case of they want to find the infobox [11:22:06] [1/2] https://quyraness.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [11:22:07] [2/2] Do you prefer the old theme or new theme? [11:22:26] The Miraheze wiki has the old theme, the self hosted has the new theme [11:22:57] this? looks good [11:23:16] Is the new theme more ugly\ [11:23:49] oh, you mean the main page of the self hosting site? [11:23:56] The theme genealy [11:24:07] The main page has not been touched yet [11:24:53] the self hosting site theme is generally fine, both on phone and desktop [11:25:05] I guess the old theme was more pretty? [11:25:23] I just thought with the banners it would be too "busy" [11:25:33] It looks finished so yea [11:25:53] I could aways get a theme made, but my work was adding the banners [11:25:58]