or something `display:block`-ish [09:51:05] Or you can just be happy with what you have. [09:51:43] https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-gif-23864982 [09:52:29] nvm tables are cringe [09:53:20] In my day, all we had was tables for layout, and we liked it. [09:54:07] https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657 [10:00:16] let the man sleep lol [11:33:47] The community haven't began any elections since the one try where they were unable to elect a commission to oversee the election. I don't think the problem is no one wants to do it - the problem is the standards have been set too high to elect anyone by the community. [11:40:24] " guarantee you it’s the second most people here will tell you that" speak for yourself BWM [11:41:00] The fact that Raidarr was specifically restricted from using CU and OS indicate that there was more going on that we know [11:42:30] That role was handed off to stewards [11:42:54] Indeed, but at the time, it was the reason no election happened [11:47:01] Yes [11:47:10] But that was a fair bit ago now [13:34:04] Morning MH [13:34:10] hey [13:36:15] hi [13:37:06] So I've been thinking about this, and been reading the chat logs off and on... it sure seems like that urgency for volunteers isn't as serious as some are making it out to be. Just look at how much effort I've had to go through just to get WIKI CREATOR of all things, one of the least "risky" positions out there. [13:37:32] and having my past actions from several years ago dug up and attempted to be re-litigated both on-wiki and on Phabricator is just... unplayable [13:37:40] unpleasant* [13:38:35] Your wiki creator request doesn't look that unusual tho [13:38:38] If the urgency is has great as some are making it out to be, any qualified volunteer would be welcomed with open arms quickly and without any of this bureaucracy [13:38:50] It's customary to always ask those kinds of question [13:38:59] you do have a point about digging up ancient drama [13:39:17] Ok, I can accept that, but DMs comment (monologue?) is way off the mark [13:40:22] Idk why anyone added Revi onto my SRE application when they;re barely active anymore [13:42:44] Like, why am I having to defend myself against false allegations from years ago just because I want to help keep the project afloat [13:42:53] It doesn't seem to happen to anyone else [13:43:27] probably because people with the kind of drama surrounding you don't usually come back years later [13:43:37] or if they do no-one gives a shit anymore [13:44:35] It's only made worse by the fact that all of the "drama" is a red herring. I never actually DID anything, just got caught up with the crossfire with the actions of my late sister [13:44:45] Good morning mirheze crew [13:46:58] So I have to defend my name, and recount some of the least pleasant experiences in my recent life. I don't know who else here if anyone has lost an immediate family member at a young age, but it's incredibly emotionally draining [13:49:38] I don't know what to say. I haven't lost any immediate family member, so I can't imagine what that must be like [13:51:22] I just wish people would be respectful, not dwell on the past, and focus on the current issues facing the project. [13:51:24] I'm on your side on this though. There was absolutely no need to bring up ancient stuff [13:51:37] [13:55:19] I can understand why people brought it up. If you rob a bank and then 5 years later try to get a job in a bank, they're not going to allow it; so it stands to reason that yes, if you've been disruptive in the past people are welcome to bring it to light if you're trying to get elevated permissions. [13:55:35] (I'm NOT saying that you've been disruptive in the past, just giving context) [13:56:47] It just feels so disrespectful, because not only am I innocent, the person who was actually disruptive is no longer around [13:57:33] damn [13:57:35] Obviously the emotional aspect of it being a family member makes it more complicated, but in general this kind of behavior is just not kind [13:59:01] When someone is no longer with you, you don't go around and repeatedly dig up and re-litigate their transgressions with family or friends (collective you). That's just basic human decency and respect [14:25:59] The SSL certificate requests seem to be backing up again [14:26:42] only macfan4000 and reception can handle those [14:26:52] paladox and void can [14:27:02] well but I've never seen them do that [14:27:10] yes [14:27:13] they don't [14:27:14] but can [14:27:47] the point is that the ability to handle those is its own access level in SRE [14:28:18] How's everyone [14:33:53] pretty well [14:34:09] watching some minecraft tnt cannon videos :) [14:36:10] is Minecraft still going these days [14:36:15] idk [14:36:31] i thought the hype would've died off years ago [14:50:22] It died down for a while but speedrunning and multiplayer roleplay series brought it back. Can't speak for other communities, but at least on the Spanish-speaking side a lot of the YouTubers/streamers that first popped off with Minecraft are still really popular to this day, so it's not like it was ever allowed to fully disappear. [14:52:31] Digging up old drama seems to be a recurring theme amongst wiki communities. Wikipedia is infamous for this, but I've seen this on so many wikis. It's one thing to hold people accountable, but it's another to bring up some old thing from the past without regard to how the person changed over time, or even whether said thing from the past is even relevant to the present. [15:00:03] it sorta had a dip in popularity a few years ago but its risen back up in the last 3 or so years [15:01:19] im still playing, been playing for almost 11 years now. [15:02:13] its just become a timeless game, especially with the updates they do and the huge modding community [15:05:07] I tried to play egg wars once it's so hard lol [15:06:11] I said most, not all [15:27:29] Just getting around to all messages from while I was asleep, but I can add my 2c that this is what's happening on the WT side -- there's quite a to-do list and this item is being actively worked. [15:29:04] Respectfully, nobody cares what is happening on WikiTide. [15:29:23] You don't and have made that clear. There was an ask, and I answered it. [15:30:13] There was no ask in the above reply about WT. User was on about an independent investigation into what happened on Miraheze. [15:30:48] No, he was answering the whole "what part of the community is acting like A or B" part [15:31:13] If you are going to be rude, please just don't even bother to message. [15:31:26] There's absolutely no need to be heated about this. [15:32:12] Nothing is heated? But people repeatedly bringing up WT is unnecessary. Those in the WF server can keep up to date with things in relation to that host. [15:33:29] OA is missing context from prior conversations w/ Labster elsewhere, but I do agree that I don't need to reply to Labster's Qs and Comments about WT here when Labster is present there too. Let's leave it be, all. [15:33:36] So much this [15:34:52] sigh can someone please delete my wikis [15:35:37] [1/2] Since that's been brought up I'm happy to respond: Some resignations have occurred in the past where they were used as power tools. This time around, the resignations (so far consisting) of UO, Agent, and I are not due to not getting our way. It's because the situation with Miraheze became untenable. If we were using it as a power tool, we would threaten re [15:35:37] [2/2] signation instead of flat out doing it, which we didn't. [15:36:21] "I'll teach 10individuals how to earn $30,000 or more in 72 hours from the crypto market. But you will pay me 10% commission when you receive your profit. if interested send me a message by asking (HOW) for more details on how to get started [15:36:36] dude, you randomly brought up WT in Amanda's request for permissions ... [15:36:41] @eytirth please be patient, with only 2 stewards things get responded to very slowly [15:36:46] Please disappear [15:36:50] lso @Moderator ^^ crypto spam [15:36:51] We left to hopefully continue to build something better from the ground up, because of the current status of the Miraheze community/system. It wasn't due to a power struggle. [15:36:56] also* [15:37:01] Got 'em [15:37:09] thank you [15:37:28] No spammers, please and thanks. [15:37:50] I spent years with miraheze only for a select few to try and burn down all my achievements/contributions to miraheze [15:37:58] I have only just realised that F1 refers to Formula 1 in your username. [15:38:15] Ty @notaracham [15:38:20] Yes it does [15:38:36] what team do you follow? 👀 [15:38:37] who here has done that? [15:38:43] Merc [15:38:44] maybe John [15:38:56] I don’t remember asking for wrong answers only 🧐 [15:38:58] several people are typing [15:39:00] Jokes hehe [15:39:03] No not John. John was competent. [15:39:06] Can we please remember the code of conduct [15:39:17] UO and the others who resigned and started advertising WT [15:39:19] of course [15:39:29] At this point needsing stawrds to delete my wiki is red tap [15:39:31] Brandon, let's leave it alone please. They're welcome to their view of things, and seconded on code of conduct. [15:39:31] Last race was good [15:39:32] That wasn't burning down your contributions [15:39:50] No it's not. Please be patient or quiet. They are the only options. [15:40:07] It was, both Hamilton and Russell killed it. [15:40:10] Yes it is when they try and make miraheze not exist because they started a panick and that miraheze won’t exist and you’ll eat it up [15:40:33] It was, both Russell and Hamilton killed it. [15:40:35] effectively @orduin is the only active steward right now, his availability is very limited [15:40:54] Unfortunately those are the only folks who are able to take action here. It will happen, it may just take a minute [15:41:00] @eytirth I understand you but the current situation w/ MH is difficult, you see this well by herself, so no need to hear this up [15:41:18] Every project has its moments of turbulence and I don't think they acted in bad faith. [15:41:25] Things are turbulent [15:41:27] I do [15:41:51] @paladox are they not entitled to an opinion [15:41:55] Well I would find that offensive as I very much do not operate in bad faith [15:42:18] They can be entitled to their opinion but how they acted is up to them. [15:42:18] And to be assumed to be acting in good faith unless it's very clear otherwise [15:42:27] I also am entitled to my own opinion [15:42:27] And I don't believe UO and Agent have either. A reminder that we've all contributed a lot to Miraheze [15:42:39] It’s not one way street you know [15:42:56] Yes, Paladox is. Brandon, gonna give you a less-nice ask to disconverse on this topic. [15:43:20] I think accusations against individuals of bad faith should be kept elsewhere [15:43:30] It's not going to benefit anyone [15:43:54] Agreed, there's little to be gained from continuing to re-hash [15:43:55] Be critical of the situation and of actions but please can we avoid targeting individuals [15:44:05] We all have better uses of our time this morning. [15:44:28] That would be nice. [15:44:28] Can't wait for yall to adopt the "Lets stop" politic to politely make heated debates/topic stop or timeout [15:44:29] But can we keep the discussion to what Miraheze can do to make best of its future. That's what is going to have the biggest difference. [15:44:41] Happy to provided I'm not accused of acting in bad faith further [15:44:50] Ah, morning [15:45:12] You were not, you're incorrectly assigning yourself to the group of users that Paladox was referring to. [15:45:36] Hnnn, what kinda theme would look godo fro my main page? [15:45:47] in what sense? [15:45:49] skin? [15:45:55] Vector [15:45:57] i prefer vector-2010 but that's just me [15:46:20] I am stick beween "Wikipedia style" or "FANDOM style" for my main page [15:52:59] What would you think would look better? [15:57:08] Hello, I have a problem connecting to Miraheze. I don't know my password anymore and I can't change it (I didn't put an email...), it's an account with which I created a wiki... [15:59:48] Unfortunately, there's no good means of recovery if you're no longer logged in. [16:00:10] The chance of recovery is 0.01% [16:00:18] Too much risk of social engineering [16:00:35] new account and an attempt to get rights? [16:00:46] That's essentially the path forward, yes [16:00:59] ^ [16:03:59] So how do you have the rights to edit a wiki like the creator can? [16:35:42] You can create an election [16:35:50] If it was a public wiki [16:36:20] It's perfectly normal on small wikis for an unopposed result to be considered a success [16:36:28] [[Local elections]] [16:36:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Local_elections [16:36:29]

[16:40:33] @Valentin5228 [16:44:31] Thanks !!! [17:06:08] Hi [17:35:09] I am seeking someone to make me a CSS theme for Vector 2022 to make it look as much like Vector 2010 as possable but keeping mobile adaption [17:35:09] # [17:39:24] I can try to make one [17:41:18] Okay, if you think you asre up to it [17:41:47] I have put out a "unpaid" job ad for this on two freelancing servers as well [17:42:09] It might be quite hard [17:42:18] I'll start working on it as soon as WikiTide comes back up (I don't want to change much about my personal wiki on Miraheze, so I'll work on it in my WikiTide wiki) [17:42:56] Would you me or you want to put it up on GitHub so others can use ? [17:43:25] Seems people like Vector 2010, but dislike the fact it is not very mobile freindly [17:44:01] but shame [17:44:03] I'm aiming for only one CSS file, so it shouldn't require a GitHub repo, only copying into Vector-2022.css [17:44:18] Why don't you prefer Miraheze 😦 [17:44:34] Neat! I have some stuff that is MediaWiki related on gitHub if you allow I can put it there with my other MediaWiki stuff [17:44:39] I do, I just have a testing wiki on WikiTide [17:44:46] Our handiwork, our eye-catching Miraheze [17:45:23] I feel people may be intersted in "Vector 2010 but using Vector 2022's responsive stuff" [17:45:33] Well, a CSS that can do thayt [17:46:23] @Tali64 If Wikitide is being installed right now, if help is sought, don't hesitate to ping me on that server,ok? 🙂 [17:46:45] [1/2] Vector 2010 do support responsive mode [17:46:46] [2/2] Just a bit wonky as it wasn't mobile-first🤣 [17:46:57] WikiTide has already launched; however, it's currently down due to popular wikis forking there [17:47:58] Its Phabricator is missing, its IRC is missing, its pages are missing. [17:48:21] As suggested by Original Authority, this is probably the wrong server to be discussing WikiTide stuff. [17:48:22] I'm sick of those things, otherwise it won't take 1 second to know it's started lol [17:48:54] Ok, let's move on to Wikitide 🙂 [17:54:06] is MH down? [17:54:40] Been seeing some heavy lag intermittently throughout the day [17:54:51] my wiki is ok [17:55:10] seems back to normal now [17:55:20] but it is super slow [18:10:42] Does someone know why we have `$wgEchoMaxMentionsInEditSummary` on 0 by default? [18:11:41] = Maximum number of users that will be notified that they were linked from an edit summary or 0 for no notifications. [18:12:34] I'd hazard a guess that someone was abusing this for mass pings at some point in time, or it was just decided to be an annoying feature. No special insights, though. [18:54:45] @Hey Türkiye did you even think before posting advertising links not related at all in discussion on Meta? [18:57:35] and @BWM just casually name-dropping before [18:58:48] pretty sure i’m allowed to name drop? [18:59:06] how it was related to Amanda's candidature? [18:59:51] don’t remember the exact comment i made but i know it was related [19:00:56] [1/4] > The user opposes Amanda, yes, but Amanda isn’t calling the oppose wrong. They’re calling the reasons wrong, which is valid as she’s the one that knows that actually happened. [19:00:57] [2/4] > [19:00:57] [3/4] > You can find me on WikiTide anytime 🙂 [19:00:57] [4/4] How is this related? [19:04:06] Shameless plugs as always. [19:07:48] The comment by BrandonWM was in response to `I hope to see you on another wiki sometime` from Globe, but agreed that RfP conversation got off-topic to put it mildly. [19:09:02] However, I hold no special rank on Meta and it's not my place to police that. I will add a comment expressing my opinion on that, though. [19:22:39] What kind of skin CSS would you like to see? [19:34:36] Someone is helping me make Vector 2022 look like Vector 2010 [19:35:06] ... I kind of want that skin now. [19:35:32] Mainly I want Vector2022's search box in classic Vector [19:35:34] Really? I am planning on open soricing the CSS if allowed by the person who is making it [19:35:57] I aslo asked for it to be mobile adapting as well [19:37:01] Hmmm, I keep hearing that there was a PII breach but I can't find an incident report. [19:37:41] Labster, when it is finished, I can put it on GitHub so you can use it [19:37:42] welp, that has quickly been made private. [19:39:17] cool, thanks! [19:39:26] I kinda hope to see more and more CSS themes wikis can freely use under GNU Public [19:40:01] I would be willing to try get them made for you even, but of coruse, I will be requesting them toi be allowed to be put on my GitHub [19:40:26] That way, they would be free for others to use as well (under GNU Public) [19:45:36] Moved to here: