[00:31:31] @nibblypup please make it so we can post links [00:32:51] Um how long did it take you to put the wiki in archive.Today [00:33:11] give it time they are understaffed [00:33:20] Sure no problem [00:34:02] you need to /auth to confirm you have a MH account to be able to post links in this server [00:37:23] (which you wouldnt have to do if you didn't use like 5 discords, just saying) [01:51:08] does miraheze have a limit to how many wikis we can have at the moment created [02:04:01] If you are requesting wikis to request em theyll be denied [02:04:13] They have to actually be used [02:04:36] i always use the wikis i create (: [02:50:07] How does anyone know how to make a good main page menu thingy or whatever? [03:18:19] HTML+CSS, and look at good examples of established wikis [04:19:44] as in utilize their main page code and experiment with em? [04:23:19] more like see what kind of info they include & how and determine what would benefit your wiki best [05:57:14] are there still outstanding issues regarding images? [05:58:46] Shouldn’t be? [05:59:36] I noticed some images not showing on one of our wiki pages, but the image page just shows the file name, and clicking through gives me that result [06:00:30] Its early in the morning for one of sysadmins and really late for the rest, I’d say give it 2 more hours then try asking again [06:01:20] strange - no one else has any issues? I'll check back later then [06:01:28] As far as I know no [06:23:19] the container issue? it's been like 2 weeks ago [06:23:44] I'm not sysadmin tho, it's just looks similar [06:25:45] I mean we didnt use this file system when I was a sysadmin so I know nothing about but if I had to make an assumption, it looks like a simple file permission error on the server [06:27:00] I think we still used lizardfs when i was sysadmin, and just had started getting gluster ready when i resigned [06:32:42] Zppix: not a file permission issue [06:32:45] But a simple one [06:33:08] For some reason Swift randomly doesn't set the buckets to the right user, there's a script [11:25:40] Whatever the issue was for us, it seems to have been sorted. I'll let you know if it comes up again [14:08:04] Got a quick question, is there a specific “Create Page” button? [14:11:57] Not by default I don't think, but you can make one with the "input button" extension [14:14:28] Cosmos skin has new article button on its own tho [14:17:36] Ah thanks! [16:50:59] how do i fix this to be on the right side of the page and (B) not take up the entire page? [16:53:17] I told you `float: right;` before [16:53:56] tried it didnt work [16:53:59] and limit its size w/ `width:`, infoboxes are usually 270px [16:54:19] it applied it in the wrong place perhaps [16:56:18] ill try it hang on [16:57:19] Okay, so what about the boxes for the main page? [17:03:02] For some reason, I'm getting 429 errors [17:05:40] twitter virus [18:12:55] i swear that the wiki said maintanence would be done on july 6th [18:16:04] Yeah starting at 22:00 UTC, which should be in about 4 hours, if I got my match right [18:17:08] announcements says july 7th tho [18:17:35] @pikselas #announcements is your local time [18:18:08] woah i didnt know discord could do that [18:18:11] The wiki is in UTC [18:18:32] Should be in about 3.5 hours from now @pikselas [18:19:01] It should really be made more obvious when that local time tag is used, practically every time I see it used, on nay server, there is at least a handfull of people getting confused about it [18:19:35] yea because even if i hover over it, the orginial time or my timezone isnt specified [18:19:46] @discord please fix [18:20:28] Yeah the hover only really make sense once you get close to the time, as it start saying like "in 20 minutes" or something, and you get the exact time in the hover then [18:21:51] [18:22:10] theres different kinds of timestap syntaxes [18:22:52] if set up right it should always give the time adjusted to your timezone though [18:31:01] Hey Voidwalker [18:31:10] hi [18:35:51] o/ [18:36:23] Thanks for the announcement Voidwalker [18:36:29] May need a steward in a second [18:36:49] okie, got some time for small things, hopefully [18:37:24] Voidwalker: can you review the thread at the bottom of https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/TestWiki:Community_portal [18:39:30] @ Void - if you have time after that, could you check username change request, please, I left couple of weeks ago 👉👈 [18:39:43] *left one [18:40:02] yeah, will look at both [18:40:08] thank u [18:40:14] do y'all need any more stewards btw.. [18:42:26] Yes I think we do [18:48:03] but we don't have fitting candidats? [18:50:11] Rename in progress, gonna keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't get stuck [18:51:52] TheresNoTime: o/ [18:52:11] Hi hi [18:54:34] and welllll, I've *been there, done that* in terms of stewarding on wm projects, so if that's transferrable... ^^ [18:59:57] TheresNoTime: ye [19:00:28] * sar supports [19:00:29] Ideally not ones that resign before they can be sacked then carry on making the same mistakes on a local wiki issue where they are equivalent of crat [19:00:39] TheresNoTime: id say you'd be good [19:02:51] Rename is now done [19:04:12] Is it possible to have sections appear collapsed initially using vector-2022 skin? [19:04:36] thank you!!! <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [19:30:43] I forgot about phab account .. [19:58:26] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [20:01:23] when the time comes more canidiats will come [20:04:04] well theresnotime just came @Cocopuff2018 [20:07:21] im seeing they are a system admin on WF [20:08:35] Indeed [20:09:18] im happy to support youre election if you wish to apply for any advanced rights [20:10:00] dont users have to have 1000 to be eligible for steward though? [20:10:33] yes [20:10:40] I'm sure we can come up with a plan to get them to 1,000 [20:10:47] Have at least 1000 total global edits on Miraheze (on more than one wiki, unless that wiki is Meta Wiki) (Note: These edits may not consist of directly copy/pasting content from other wikis, they must be edits done by the user); [20:11:16] I'll take a look at my time commitments :) to reply to your DM, about 3-4 years [20:11:26] i indeed understand the revision, no need to post it :p [20:11:34] I'm sure they can rollback edits on wikis or something [20:11:59] starting them off at global syosp may help them with more edits (: [20:12:17] or rollbacking vandalism [20:12:17] ye [20:13:18] same requirement for gs as well [20:14:03] they can still help out without the global tools (: anyone can help with vandalism or spam [20:14:24] even GR is 500 [20:14:29] who came up with this [20:14:51] i dont recall 500 edits ever being discussed in A RFC [20:14:58] ALTHOUHT it should have been [20:15:11] I'm 100% sure it was [20:16:02] im looking back to see if i find it [20:16:07] I can vouch for TNT, having worked a little with them over at WMF [20:16:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Miscellaneous_RfGR_and_WC_rules [20:16:48] i think [20:16:50] 3.2 of the GR RfC [20:17:03] oh TNT is definately ace [20:18:25] (and busy, so please don't get hopes up just yet :p) [20:18:43] I mean requirements could always be overlooked by the community just saying [20:18:47] Is Sammy TNT? [20:18:49] I'm happy to help where I can, when I can [20:18:51] Yes [20:18:52] yes [20:18:53] (yes, hi) [20:18:54] theresnotime [20:19:04] when looking for the RfC, I realised we have RfC/U which was never used [20:19:09] that is gonna take a whole new proposal [20:19:13] No [20:19:14] TheresNoTime [20:19:54] As long as the community gives enough support to the request theres no hard deny on not meeting requirements in the irc [20:20:00] [1/7] Proposal 6.1 (Eligibility criteria - All global groups) [20:20:01] [2/7] A candidate must [20:20:01] [3/7] Have at least 1000 total global edits on Miraheze [20:20:01] [4/7] These edits may not consist of directly copy/pasting content from other wikis, they must be edits done by the user; [20:20:02] [5/7] There should be edits on more than a single wiki, unless the single wiki is Meta [20:20:02] [6/7] Have had their Miraheze account for at least 2 months; and, [20:20:02] [7/7] Be involved in some way in community matters (in discussions on noticeboards, off-wiki chats, etc.) [20:20:08] i found this in the RFC however it never passed [20:20:54] Yes however it does not state that MUST be denied based on said requirements either [20:32:11] Yeah I would assume they are more guidelines than requirements? And with the current lack of volunteers in general, I would say it should probably be less strictly followed imo [20:37:08] Must does not indicate a guideline, it means a rule. If you don't want the rule it needs to be changed, not just ignored. [20:39:33] ^ I'd agree, if "Proposals 6.1 and 6.2: No consensus and insufficient participation, so not successful." wasn't the case. The requirement for "1000 edits" never passed into policy [20:40:06] huh [20:40:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Miscellaneous_RfGR_and_WC_rules ? [20:40:56] fellas, how do I login into MH wiki in AWB? [20:41:12] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Global_rollbackers [20:42:16] That's just GR though..? [20:43:09] i still see nothing saying 1000 edits are requierd for global groups or a RFC which has passed on it [20:47:21] Yeah, I have no idea for GS [20:48:00] *steward [20:49:03] @theresnotime for GS, It was added by Doug despite him closing the RfC as doesn't support it I seem to think [20:49:08] v [20:49:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Global_rollbackers [20:49:16] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Global_Sysops&diff=254944&oldid=253298&diffmode=source [20:49:32] Dough has done some questionable things in the past [20:49:41] and https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Stewards&diff=254969&oldid=237284&diffmode=source [20:49:50] @theresnotime I'm confused as * [20:50:06] this is more than questionable [20:50:10] @orduin [20:50:15] Voidwalker: ^ [20:54:47] hmm [20:55:26] Voidwalker: I am completely lost [21:03:14] Looks like the Global rollbackers eligibility was based on the eligibility requirements that were added to GS and steward pages without community support [21:05:04] yeah this would be implied though [21:05:34] if it was approved by RfC vote, then rule unless explicitly stated guideline [21:05:37] Can it be revoked [21:05:41] that’s how it’s historically been [21:06:21] check the initial RfC for establishing such requirements and if GR isn’t explicitly stated then I would assume so [21:06:29] GR is more difficult to say, but I'd open a conversation revisiting the requirement [21:06:45] may I ask where this conversation originated [21:06:50] seems like I’ve missed a bit [21:07:01] [21:07:01] hoping to backtrack a bit and get the full picture [21:07:02] GR is probably community. GS/Steward can be just removed. [21:07:57] I was asking @orduin because I want him too [21:08:09] @theresnotime pointed it out [21:08:17] ah, got it [21:08:42] just wasn’t sure if somebody wanted to request something but wasn’t eligible, or something of that sort [21:09:47] Potentially yes [21:09:54] Ah [21:09:56] Who? [21:10:15] @theresnotime [21:10:25] for steward? [21:10:28] or gs/gr [21:10:33] i support [21:10:34] Steward [21:10:54] I know for a fact in that case that the requirements were community approved [21:11:17] they can still be overrided [21:11:29] So it would require a second community discussion to either exempt Sammy from the rule on a one time basis or to undo it completely [21:11:40] Like, no, rules are literally rules [21:11:52] a community vote can be made [21:11:54] to override it [21:12:05] ^ [21:12:18] he has plenty of experience i see no problem with exempting him from the requierments [21:12:44] There is a process for undoing/amending it and so that process should be followed [21:12:58] Not just “you’re exempted” with a wave of the Discord wand [21:13:17] i dont see a point in complety removing or redoing the requierments however exempting as a one time exception can be done [21:13:19] I don't think anyone's suggested just waving a requirement, if it exists, by just a discussion on discord? [21:13:19] (except that proposal didn't pass so..) [21:13:39] But also yes the discussion above seemed to indicate that the requirement didn't have community consencous? [21:13:46] I believe that was the original suggestion by Cocopuff, no? [21:13:55] > Proposals 6.1 and 6.2: No consensus and insufficient participation, so not successful. [21:14:07] for the steward eligibility? [21:14:20] Yes [21:14:25] As far as we can see [21:14:27] odd - i recall them being approved and passed [21:14:32] why not just get this RFC going and call it a day [21:14:33] it’s been enforced at least since then [21:14:33] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Miscellaneous_RfGR_and_WC_rules [21:15:17] The RfC says they failed [21:15:29] But Doug implemented it [21:16:05] I’m going to ping @dmehus here as it appears that he closed the initial RfC as not done for that section, but subsequently added it to the page? [21:16:15] It's likely as a result that a mix of @orduin (for Stew/GS) and the community (for GR) will vacate the eligibility rules without prejudice anyway [21:16:22] And they will have never existed [21:16:30] was it an oversight on one of the pages or intentional for another reason? [21:16:43] Yes that's exactly what the accusation is. I can't read his mind as to why. [21:17:21] it might’ve been a typo somewhere - as in he meant to approve that section but then wrote a different thing thinking that it was a different section [21:17:34] but that seems way off - clearly something happened here in error [21:17:53] I don't feel it is our place to speculate as to why [21:18:28] I remember Agent suggesting that all RfPs should be on hold at least until a firm plan to save Miraheze is complete [21:18:30]