[01:46:41] hi [03:12:26] Hello [03:13:30] I have just sent an application for a server [03:14:00] How long should I expect the review process to take? [03:24:34] There is an extension called multi-category search that is archived [03:24:42] Is there a similar extension available? [04:57:52] For me, it was a few hours. Depends on who's available at the moment. [05:14:04] for me it took like 30 seconds [05:14:23] so it really just depends [05:54:00] third day in a row getting logged out [05:54:34] second half of August was alright, I think [05:54:38] now again [07:55:36] just confirming/letting you know, that MobileFrontend doesn't ditch styling from CSS extension and TemplateStyles [07:56:08] [1/2] [[mw:Extension:CSS]] [07:56:08] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS [07:56:09] [2/2] [[mw:Extension:TemplateStyles]] [07:56:09] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles [07:56:09]

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[2/2] [07:58:00] difference between them is how styling is linked (`{{...` vs `<...`) and that's TS is a bit limited w/ "sanitized CSS" page model [07:58:44] and, for some reason, as for recent, you gotta manually change page model [07:58:56] doesn't seem to be a problem for "CSS" [09:09:03] idk why the image tab doesn't respond when I click on it [09:09:34] it used to work before [09:14:30] nvm fixed it [16:06:59] we are still months without a decision on the future of miraheze, is there any updates at all on what will happen? [16:10:38] Cocopuff2018: are you one of the concerned users behind the RfC? [16:10:54] yes @RhinosF1 [16:11:14] Cocopuff2018: you're not helping [16:11:20] Things were stable [16:11:28] And slowly going through [16:16:00] miraheze's not letting me undelete pages [16:16:37] well now it did lol [16:40:55] [1/2] getting specific error? [16:40:55] [2/2] (always attach an error message/screenshot) [16:43:01] no error. just when I click on undelete it reloads and blanks the page [16:50:01] never happened to me <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [16:50:14] the purge button, however, is still broken [16:54:31] I keep getting an issue with my login session even AFTER clearing cookies and logging back in [16:55:05] same I keep getting an issue where it says it wont put my edit through, try logging out etc [16:55:44] during edit? [16:56:08] or random log outs in some periods of time? [16:56:12] During edit [16:56:20] When I try to save my edit [16:56:28] I can eventually brute force it by submitting repeatedly, but it'll take upwards of 20 times [16:57:19] I tried to log in in a private window and it doesn't let me do that either [17:02:26] okay thank god im not the only one experiencing the issue XD [17:02:46] @zppix I need meta admin [17:02:49] I'm an idiot [17:03:20] just wanted to ping you here Rhinos [17:03:36] re: session issues people above are reporting [17:04:31] my edit just went through [17:07:07] @theoneandonlylegroom ye I noticed just now [17:07:15] @paladox didn't you make a sessions change [17:07:22] It's not worked [17:07:28] In fact, it's utterly unusable [17:07:48] I did . What do you mean? It worked for me, I could login after [17:08:26] @paladox ye rollback please [17:08:33] It's expiring way too quick [17:08:40] Huh [17:08:50] It just took me like 10 attempts to make an error because of the session expiring [17:08:53] And 2 to login [17:08:56] @paladox [17:09:30] I’m mobile currently. I can revert but it’ll be a bit before it automatically deploys [17:09:39] @paladox ok do it [17:09:48] Because whatever changed is utterly unusable [17:10:27] Done [17:11:16] @theoneandonlylegroom session issues should improve after about 35 minutes from now [17:12:38] ^ @platyellow @genathan @crispeh__ [17:13:08] Awesome, Thank you <:starletHug:1061756289933381652> [17:14:23] As is currently, because we use both memcaches, if someone doesn’t use their account constantly the object in the cache will be removed to make space for a new object. [17:14:52] Ok [17:15:38] @zppix see your DM for my stupidity [17:16:25] @paladox ye but redis seemed to be lasting about 10 seconds before expiring in my test [17:16:53] The edit session token didn't even last as long as it took for the page to load [18:03:23] How do I disable Wiki-wide forced edit summaries? [18:03:30] I cannot find a setting for it anywhere [18:12:27] I believe is personal per user setting? [18:18:04] I am so thankful for that one advice to use inspect element [18:18:37] It is easier to find which elements are what thing [18:19:48] Yeah Inspect element is a blessing really [18:19:49] [1/2] The wiki still looks rudimentary [18:19:49] [2/2] But I bet it will look amazing in a swing in time [18:20:41] It's always important to keep in mind with wiki's, little edits go a long way, so it might seem small progress at first, later on you'll have a great piece of work [18:22:09] [1/3] Yea [18:22:10] [2/3] I've mainly been updating info for other wikis, rarely making new pages [18:22:10] [3/3] So having to give life to a wiki that was instantly abandoned was definitely a step up in difficulty [18:23:10] For templates, is it the same sort of similar creation like the css pages? [18:24:30] It depends how you plan to use the templates, sometimes simpler the better, other times templates cover more ground. [18:24:31] Not really, Templates are at the core, really just any wiki content, you might want to reused multiple times [18:24:41] [[mw:Help:Templates]] [18:24:41] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates [18:24:41]

[18:25:48] it's mainly wiki markup, but HTML/CSS stuff can be done in templates too, to make things fancier [18:27:13] Yea, I was thinking of making a template for a table since I have been using the same table like 30 times [18:28:29] Is using templates from other wikis allowed? [18:29:58] Yes, most wikis are public domain, it's important to note that they will sometimes have other templates attached like {{!}} which may also need importing. [18:29:58] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:! [18:30:42] Oki thanks ^^ [18:30:51] Need some assistance with wiki markup [18:31:04] If you need any assistance let me know @ghaztliousmoths and I'll see what I can do [18:31:16] Trying to make a category called Ballad [X] [18:31:32] [[Category:Ballad [X]]] obviously has some issues [18:31:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Ballad_%5bX [18:31:37] is there anyway to get around this? [18:38:11] [1/2] As said by others all right yes it is perfectly fine in vast majority of cases (but be sure to use the import/export functions, both to get everything needed, as well as automatic crediting of the original writers). [18:38:11] [2/2] That said taking templates from wikipedia is generally NOT advised though, since they tend to be extremely over-engineered for the scope of practically any MH wiki, and are a pain to even get to work in the first place though, let alone maintain down the road [18:38:32] `{{!}}` isn't a templaye anymore tho, it's a part of parser function nowadays [18:38:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:! [18:38:34] works for me [18:39:00] [1/3] Could use "Ballad (X)" instead? [18:39:00] [2/3] Like [[Category:Ballad (X)]]. (I don't believe parentheses are an issue.) [18:39:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Ballad_(X) [18:39:00] [3/3] That's the only option I can think of. [18:39:01]

[18:39:45] Are you sure, do you actually get to a page with a confirmation button before the actual purge? If it just reloads the page when you click that is NOT a purge done, and it is indeed broken [18:39:58] complicated or simple templates can be imported too (instead of manual copy/pasting) [18:40:00] The Ballad [X] is a part of the game rules for the wiki I'm working on, so I don't want to confuse players, but if there is no other option it is what it is [18:40:31] no confirmation button but when purge is clicked, it automatically reloads the page with the purge itself done [18:40:39] which is also how i remember it from the wikia days [18:40:54] Yep then it is not working, and it jsut did a local refresh of the page, nothing were purged [18:40:54] [1/2] since `[]` is used for linking I believe it's not allowed to be actually used in titles [18:40:55] [2/2] I know that `:` is a no for file names [18:41:08] oof [18:41:33] the `?action=purge` in URL works tho [18:42:04] but the fact that button supposed to make it easier is - wellp [18:42:44] [1/4] Could add a disclaimer at the top of the page. 🤔 [18:42:44] [2/4] Like. [18:42:44] [3/4] > The correct title of this article is Ballad [X]. [18:42:45] [4/4] Or something. [18:43:03] or use DISPLAYTITLE [18:44:49] [1/3] Wait, would that allow square brackets? [18:44:49] [2/3] Also, I think it may be broken on some wikis? [18:44:49] [3/3] I've used DISPLAYTITLE on a few pages but it didn't do anything for some reason that I'm guessing is related to the visual editor or something. [18:45:09] there's a setting which has to be disabed first [18:45:25] then it starts working, w/o any extension [18:45:28] lemme check [18:46:04] not sure about `[]` being allowed tho, but since it's just a visual thing it should? [18:47:15] should be like this [18:52:12] I'm struggling to figure out the element for links, I've tried the 4 that came up from inspect element but only 1 worked and it only worked for the logo link [18:52:42] what you want to do w/ links, change color? [18:52:47] Yea [18:53:23] [1/3] links in CSS are defined by `a` [18:53:23] [2/3] if we mean all link on wiki it's gonna be [18:53:24] [3/3] `body a { ...` [18:53:38] Thanks! [18:53:43] you can use [ and ] for text in an article, but it will not work in a category name. [18:53:50] depending on skin tho, there might be additional sub rules [18:54:24] such as color of a link you've already clicked on gonna be `a:visited` [18:55:07] I did previously try a:link [18:55:46] [1/2] no, it's just `a` [18:55:46] [2/2] since an HTML tag for link is `` [18:59:15] Is it .a .... or .body a .... ? [19:00:01] [1/3] `body a` [19:00:01] [2/3] body is also a tag on its own [19:00:02] [3/3] `.` is for classes, `#` is for id's [19:01:03] [1/2] https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css_selectors.php is a nice cheatsheet for how CSS selectors works. [19:01:04] [2/2] And tons of good other info on that site in general too [19:01:23] I've been using w3schools as a guide [19:02:02] it's always best to start from very basics (I'm lucky I've learned HTML in school lol) [19:03:23] I did learn how to use html, css and javascript in school (this has been helpful revision) [19:10:30] Damn, I went on mobile to check the colours I set and man the difference between the screens is huge [19:16:45] What are these errors? Never encountered them before, is it because of the file type? [19:17:36] never seen such errors [19:17:56] What are you trying to upload? [19:17:56] @ghaztliousmoths nope [19:18:07] I believe webp is allowed by default [19:18:10] That means Swift is in a weird state [19:18:18] Can you try again in like 10 minutes [19:18:45] [1/2] Sure, I'll try again [19:18:45] [2/2] I do have a png version of it [19:19:12] But idk if it will work for setting the new background [19:19:43] it's transparent? [19:19:52] It shouldn't be [19:20:00] I mean image [19:20:33] Yea, it shouldn't be, I downloaded it off of the fandom wiki [19:37:52] @Site Reliability Engineers CW may be broken again; the last two requests I approved threw redis errors instead of the normal creation messages [19:38:23] I got the background image to work :D [19:41:12] Seems like I'll need to edit the image to make it a perfect loop [19:42:11] @tali64 I wonder if redis is upset [19:42:36] If your editing off of mobile, try pixlr.com if you need something a bit more photoshop-esque [19:44:29] I have a program on my phone which I use for drawing and image edits [19:45:33] @tali64 https://grafana.miraheze.org/d/HZGjmu_Zz/redis?orgId=1&from=now-15m&to=now&viewPanel=5 looks bad [19:45:40] @paladox why is redis upset [19:45:45] [1/2] I made these fake screenshots a while back [19:45:45] [2/2] Having 2 phones is pretty handy lol [19:47:10] that would be when i switched sessions to use the redis on there? [19:47:37] That's the last 15 minutes [19:48:00] yeh objects stay in the db [19:48:06] because i had note cleared them [19:48:06] @paladox ah [19:48:11] the graph you want to look at is this [19:48:12] https://grafana.miraheze.org/d/HZGjmu_Zz/redis?orgId=1&from=now-12h&to=now&viewPanel=20 [19:48:15] 12s for eval [19:48:20] I wonder why the wiki creations failed though @paladox [19:48:25] even tho i stopped sessions using redis [19:48:35] it'll be the above graph [19:49:39] i've restarted redis [19:49:44] @paladox ye and right after Tali complained it drops [19:50:08] @tali64 continue creating please [19:50:14] @paladox and ok [19:50:19] Let's see if restart fixed [20:33:59] Hi. How is going Miraheze? [20:34:35] a bit slow but steady [20:35:05]