[01:18:10] [1/2] ok so I have to put in a code into templates which makes this collapsible templete [01:18:10] [2/2] I was researching this on Google. [01:36:05] [1/2] I made a collapsed image template myself on my wiki, for same purpose, feel free to export it and import it to your own wiki. Should support most of the parameters of a normal image tag does. So yeah usuall fair warning and all it is a link to a wiki for a NSFW wiki, though no NSFW at this specific link ||https://gianna.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Collapsed_Ima [01:36:06] [2/2] ge|| [01:38:41] @gummiel thanks [06:20:21] hi [06:20:30] i want to ask if i can flag an account as a bot? [06:20:41] You can qchinh06 [06:20:50] Via Special:UserRights [06:22:06] i see [06:22:26] but it doesnt need a token or password or anything like that? [06:22:53] That page can only be used by admins, bureaucrats and stewards [06:23:14] You'll need to be logged in [06:23:44] Yes i've logged in here [06:23:48] using my main account right [06:24:02] Whichever you requested the wiki with [06:26:54] Okay now i have flagged my other account as a bot [06:27:03] Is that done or what should i do next [06:27:32] You'll need to send the bot indicator when editing via the api [06:27:39] But don't worry about that [06:27:55] Most bot scripts should do it [06:29:58] So now i just have to connect it to AWB and it's done right [06:41:50] hi [06:42:52] i want to know how often are import dumps usually completed? [08:46:23] hello [08:46:40] can i know how long do import dumps often take? [08:48:09] quadtrop: varies massively [08:51:20] but whats the maximum of it [09:15:39] quadtrop: weeks [11:07:27] interesting <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [11:07:51] anyone tried this js loader snippet? [11:42:51] hello [11:45:37] hi [11:49:23] can I ask a question [11:56:50] don't ask to ask - just ask [12:11:58] Can I get answers to the technical problems of an established wiki site from you? [12:21:31] I tried using Mobile.css before to style the mobile skin, but it never worked; maybe I'll try this on Netpedia later [12:21:39] what problems? [12:21:51] @ guest [12:22:53] Guest94: if it's on miraheze, we'll help [12:23:39] Mobile.css sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, on a wiki I've set it up recently (although the skin of choice is Cosmos instead of Minerva) [12:23:39] @tali64 I just used the template the collapsible image works but it's giving this on Page which means something inside of the template is not being provided {{#vardefine:options| ||||link= |alt=|page=|class=|lang=}} {{#vardefine:caption|}} [12:23:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23vardefine:Template:options [12:24:04] I've been contributing to the wiki farm for weeks, but the Google knowledge panel is not showing up, for what reason? [12:24:17] Do you have the Variables extension enabled? [12:24:48] I guess, no [12:25:02] @ guest - google should index the site, submitting wiki's sitemap should help in the beginning [12:25:14] @tali64 ok I'll look in the administration tab [12:25:26] Is there any chance you can tell me a list of what I need to do step by step? [12:25:30] Guest94: google knowledge panels require things to be done very specifically [12:25:40] I don't think we're SEO experts [12:26:28] My hands were heavy to contribute, so I wanted to ask you a question. I'm sorry for taking up your time. [12:26:34] [1/2] please check this guide @ guest [12:26:34] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/WikiSEO_-_Improving_Search_Ranking [12:27:09] additional work has to be done for google to notice the wiki [12:31:56] Well, in a wiki farm opened from scratch, does Google immediately pull the data opened with only the name and surname? Or does all the information in it need to be registered in the template box, such as the person's age and gender? [12:32:07] I'm examining the link [12:33:07] nothing you just said matters for google, really [12:33:23] I told you earlier google needs a sitemap file [12:33:48] to give sitemap to google you should register the wiki (site) in Google's search console [12:34:03] the guide page I gave is instruction for that [12:34:47] So, if I open a blank page saying "American writer", will Google pick it up even if there is no information in it? [12:34:52] It takes months to add all the information, it is quite tiring. Or maybe I'm a little more inexperienced, that's what I think. [12:34:53] [1/2] google detects by itself only very big sites like facebook, youtube, fandom, places w/ a lot of ads [12:34:53] [2/2] wiki sites have to do things by themselves [12:35:21] man [12:37:13] [1/3] google hates empty pages [12:37:13] [2/3] and even not empty pages needs to be >>>"given"<<< to google, because google >>>doesn't notice sites without ads by itself<<< [12:37:13] [3/3] I hope you understand what I'm trying to tell you [12:38:04] please, read the WikiSEO guide, it's the only way to make your wiki appear in google [12:39:10] [1/2] @tali64 indeed I didn't have it enabled I'm going to have to refresh the page now to see if it [12:39:10] [2/2] still has the same error. [12:45:51] Guest94: if you want knowledge graphs to work, it needs to be structured data [12:45:58] You need semantic mediawiki or WikiBase [12:47:15] https://www.widedata.org/wiki/Item:Q2 [12:47:15] If you have a chance to check it out, what is missing? [12:50:40] There's no statements [12:50:44] And no article links [12:51:40] [1/2] @tali64 ok that fixed it I just needed to remove my saved browser data because page kept refusing to refresh. the one thing I learnt with wiki editing is that you really need to use different browsers. Because at 1 moment you think you didn't do anything simply because the browser didn't update it. [12:51:41] [2/2] so I'm ending up using Firefox, Chrome, and Microsoft Edge, sometimes even the tor browser. lol [12:54:52] It was already established to serve the wiki, but since we have poor knowledge of how to install it, we are doing incorrect and incomplete work. [12:56:10] While Google Search is currently registered and all other operations are completed, is there anything else left to do? Is the person or the site itself in the link I sent you wrong or missing? We are wondering about the process of getting the panel to appear on Google, etc. [12:57:40] For example, we rely on your experiences for information such as it takes 3 5 7 days and 1 month for the panel to appear and the site to appear on Google. [12:59:19] We wish to have preliminary information instead of creating the data and waiting indefinitely without any experience. [12:59:31] with your help [13:03:41] Doesn't Google accept it without description or article link? [13:04:00] I'm trying to learn the interface [13:16:17] Is there a way to log into my account while on mobile? [13:16:57] It's been a month I haven't even popped up on Google it definitely has a preference for big sites which sell Google ads I'm noticing the trend not just with my wiki there are wikis on here that are over 100 pages big and they barely get a mention on Google It Ain't Fair. [13:21:59] there's a login button always, are you getting an error? [13:22:55] No I'm just not seeing the button [13:23:07] There's a sign up button but there's no login option [13:23:27] which wiki? [13:23:58] Mine [13:24:09] Whole New World [13:24:38] Does it not come with a login button or is it because of the privacy settings I put on it [13:25:29] if it's private wiki, I guess yes [13:26:48] [1/2] to join a private wiki one should make an account on Meta, then visit main page of that wiki, after that admin should assign new user to members groups [13:26:48] [2/2] as for login itself, I'm not sure [13:27:51] I had to click the random button to find the login button [13:27:52] another reason might be you changing something in permissions settings [13:28:25] you mean random page? [13:28:29] that's not normal [13:28:49] And it's not letting me login now cause I'm already logged in? [13:30:10] well, I'm already logged in Miraheze system so there's only log out option for me [13:30:58] Like I logged in on my computer and I clicked the keep me login button [13:31:11] So I don't know why my phone cant comprehend that [13:31:32] I guess it's either private wiki or Minerva (the mobile skin) thing [13:31:37] or both [13:31:58] I mean, your phone and desktop are different devices ... [13:32:28] switching to desktop mode, I can see login button [13:32:52] so most likely mobile mode/skin issue [13:33:10] Minerva, the default mobile skin, is notorious for hiding a lot of things [13:33:39] we usually suggest to change it to Timeless or Cosmos [13:33:40] Or not because after it told me I couldn't log on it... logged me in [13:33:52] Well issue solved I guess [13:33:55] you get any sort messages or error? [13:34:33] It gave the error for not being able to login but nothing else [13:34:51] Everything seems normal [13:35:11] [1/2] a screenshot could be helpful, but alright [13:35:12] [2/2] we yesterday had some short login issue [13:50:55] [1/2] Ahh yeah, assuming you did grab mine, I guess I should have specified that, you indeed need the Variables extension for it to fully work, sorry about it [13:50:56] [2/2] As for the needing multiple browsers, simply not true, in most cases it is more likely to be the issue of the server cache etc not updating, in which case you can add ?action=purge to the end of the URL, and then click the OK button on the page it takes to purge it, and force the software to reparse the content thus [13:58:49] leave [14:06:35] wit [14:06:44] wut [16:27:10] [1/4] @gummiel trust me I need multiple browsers because I have a lot of tabs open even when I delete server cache it doesn't always work. [16:27:10] [2/4] this is mainly to do with the fact that I'm building up a archive of images with references. [16:27:10] [3/4] so I have a lot of tabs open. [16:27:11] [4/4] That's why I use now multiple browsers because some of them will have a clean sheet. I didn't use that action=purge at the end of url yet I'll do that next time. [18:47:55] Feedback on https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Changes_to_Requests_for_Comment_Policy would be much appreciated as I plan to (finally) open it for voting tomorrow. [18:50:38] Also, how would you feel about splitting the Steward group into new groups with a smaller set of responsibilities and in most cases, no access to PII to make more people interested and eligible? [18:51:53] you mean splitting more mundane stuff which not require NDA and stuff? [18:52:50] because I kinda mentioned it before but it went unnoticed [18:53:09] Yeah, like a group that can only change ManageWiki config that is not sensitive, for example. [18:53:47] They would not have the right to view deleted wikis though. [18:55:14] So a separate group could be made to handle wiki reports and things like CheckUser/Oversight. [18:56:31] That happened before and got scrapped [18:56:42] I would consider reading why we scrapped the smaller groups before [18:58:56] Huh, I thought I went through all RfCs. [18:59:04] Do you have a link? [19:01:44] Not at moment [19:01:48] I'm cooking [19:06:20] Didn't say I needed it right away. 🙂 [19:30:04] [1/2] I've been editing on my desktop and I have been trying to edit the colours of the links and although I keep doing the ctrl f5, they're not changing [19:30:05] [2/2] Did I miss something with the code? [19:30:25] (Used mobile phone for screenshot for ease of sharing) [19:30:54] [1/2] you don't need to add `.` for `a` or `body` [19:30:54] [2/2] it's just `body a` [19:31:14] Ah alright, thanks! [19:31:32] ^ [19:33:09] It seems only 1 link changed color after fixing it [19:34:08] did you changed to `body a:visited` too? [19:34:16] Mhm [19:35:28] Both unvisited and visited links are their original shades of blue [19:35:28] Seems like creating dumps doesn't work all of the sudden. [19:36:04] get an error or something [19:36:17] Nothing. Absolutely nothing [19:37:00] it's better to keep `body a` rules at the top of CSS page, try moving them [19:37:23] order plays a role, but it's often seems random to me tbh [19:39:11] Moved both to the 1st 2 lines and still nada [19:39:31] give it some time [19:39:44] I'm working on CSS of a wiki right now too [19:40:15] purge doesn't seem to pull it even via URL [19:40:20] [1/2] Alright [19:40:20] [2/2] I'll move the header line too and hopefully it will fix that as well [20:41:26] hello [20:41:36] hi [20:41:44] how you doing [20:50:28] #offtopic please [20:53:38] oops thought general was just a general conversation chat, sry [20:58:58] I think it kinda is, if it's about Miraheze? [21:21:07] [1/2] hii, is there a better way to do the caption part in this template? in the case that is no caption, to prevent this [21:21:07] [2/2] https://projecthishuu.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Character [22:04:30] You could add an if function to that parameter if your looking to take it away on the ones that aren't using it [22:05:12] I am looking at it on mobile, so apologies if I am unable to see exactly what your seeing [22:05:31] yeah that's the idea, just dunno how to implement it exactly [22:11:15] [1/2] {{#if:{{{imagecaption1}}}|{{!}}{{{imagecaption1}}}|}} - something like that should work, though my heads a bit clunky as I am about to sleep. [22:11:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23if:Template:%7b%7b%7bimagecaption1 [22:11:15] [2/2] In my suggestion you might need to substitute the | for {{!}} though as I know it already is within an if function. [22:11:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:! [22:21:35] hm `[[File:{{{image1}}}|250px|center|{{#if:{{{imagecaption1}}}|{{!}}{{{imagecaption1}}}|}}]]` doesn't work replacing either | doesn't seem to have an effect either [22:21:35] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bimage1 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:%7b%7b%7bimage1%7d%7d%7d [22:27:19] try `{{{imagecaption1|}}}`; the pipe in the parameter with nothing following indicates the default value is null [22:27:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bimagecaption1 [22:37:45] this doesn't work either <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [23:27:36] Anyone else getting a bunch of slow load, doesn't load, and 502 bad gateway responses to their wiki pages? [23:28:06] Yup [23:32:52] Same here, glad to know it's not something I did 😅 [23:34:43] Seems to be working a bit better now [23:34:44] When I tried to check Miraheze's SRE noticeboard and that was down too, I figured it was likely site-wide. But always good to confirm. Guess I'll be doing research tonight instead of article writing. [23:35:38] SRE Noticeboard loaded, no mention of an issue atm. Might just be a minor server thing. [23:36:03] I've been having cycles of 'page loads fine' then back to no load, very slow load or 502's [23:45:50] oh good [23:45:55] i thought yall deleted my wiki [23:46:10] Public Test Wiki is lagging like crazy. And I need to work quickly if I'm going to get this test over with so I can delete the system messages I just changed.