[01:22:07] sorry to be a bother but anyone know why this aint applying(worked fine until change to use variables) [01:22:24] good chance im being a dumbass here xp [03:19:54] I think theme is borked [03:20:08] like, in general [03:25:56] <572943, replying to pixldev> you need to define colors inside ```:root { }``` [03:26:23] <572943, replying to pixldev> ping [03:34:46] so what's your question? [04:27:56] <5.35, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/8] Reference Tooltips — [04:27:57] <5.35, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/8] I enabled the gadgets extension [1] on my wiki, and imported the js [2] and css [3] files, but Reference Tooltips is still not working. [4] [04:27:57] <5.35, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [3/8] Does some other setting need to be enabled? [04:27:57] <5.35, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [4/8] What is wrong? What can I do? [04:27:58] <5.35, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [5/8] 1. xcomhghall.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition [04:27:58] <5.35, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [6/8] 2. xcomhghall.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js [04:27:58] <5.35, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [7/8] 3. xcomhghall.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.css [04:27:59] <5.35, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [8/8] 4. For example, xcomhghall.miraheze.org/wiki/%CE%91%CE%B3%CE%AF%CE%B1_%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%AE/Common [04:30:52] have you enabled the gadget itself in user preferences? [04:32:00] <5.35, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Yes! Absolutely. It is also default [04:32:04] <5.35> (third one is reference tooltips) [04:33:07] [1/2] I haven't used this gadget <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [04:33:07] [2/2] and sadly I'm on phone for the rest of the day, so can't check by myself [04:33:21] <5.35> I see [04:33:31] <5.35> i'll go to #support and open a post then [09:16:16] Can someone check if https://elsterclopedie.marithaime.nl/wiki/Gebruiker:Sivisvivam shows any PDF? A user is telling us it doesn't but I can't reproduce the issue. [09:17:02] I can see it [09:17:12] have they tried different browsers? [09:17:50] maybe something in settings [09:18:53] Thanks, it must indeed be something on their end. [09:19:14] I will pass along that suggestion as well. 🙂 [09:32:14] Can see it also (desktop Chrome) <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> yeah they should check different browsers as Legroom suggested [09:38:29] it works on Desktop Firefox [10:27:38] ty <3 [12:16:35] Just a quick question, how accurate is MatomoAnalytics? [12:17:10] [1/2] Hello, [12:17:10] [2/2] I noticed that the MobileDetect extension seems to allow you to specify which skin to use when the user consults a wiki on mobile (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileDetect#wfMobileDetect()_function). However, I can't see any way of setting this up. Do you know how to do this? [12:21:03] haven't seen this extension before, interesting [12:22:58] it is installed by default on MH but cannot be activated/deactivated on ManageWiki [12:23:22] i guess it's mainly use for the mobileonly stuff [12:23:23] (whoa was the searchbar in MW extensions there? It's so useful) [12:24:27] it was lol [12:24:43] and no, I can't see that extension in managewiki too [12:25:41] it's a global extension, according to [[Extensions]] [12:25:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extensions [12:25:42] [12:26:03] I think it's like the Vector skin, it's installed by default but not in MW so that you can't uninstall it [12:26:13] in other words it's just there and should work [12:27:47] Yeah it works well for the mobileonly part, I think it was mainly used for that at the beginning. But I couldn't find any settings in MW to specify wich mobile skin to use [12:30:50] I must have looked at this page a long time ago then 😆 [12:30:54] whoops sorry for ping [12:30:57] I can only guess extensions/skins are excluded from ManageWiki and can be set only by SRE [12:31:03] it's ok lol [12:32:17] Meta extensions page only mentions tags [13:16:03] Can i know how long do import process often take? [13:16:26] I've requested since Sep 10 but it is still not completed [13:17:33] Guest272: it may take awhile as SRE is very understaffed and our availability is limited [13:20:24] Also can I change the main menu sidebar of the wiki main page? Like deleting some sections or changing the texts? [13:24:20] That would be in MediaWiki:Sidebar for the menu [13:31:11] seems like it only contain bold texts [13:32:25] it barely show any changes [13:37:21] the sidebar must be presented on that page as bullet list [13:37:41] it might takes couple of minutes to start working tho [13:38:07] also it requires different formatting [13:39:20] [1/4] for example [13:39:20] [2/4] you have `Wiki` header and want to add link to page called `List of levels`, gonna be: [13:39:20] [3/4] `* Wiki [13:39:21] [4/4]  List of levels|Levels [13:39:55] damn, typo - just one `*` in the beginning, no ` [13:41:30] [1/2] more info about sidebar here [13:41:30] [2/2] [13:43:09] thanks i got that [13:43:31] one more questions, can i change the small text under the article name too? [13:43:48] like this sentence "From Miraheze Meta, Miraheze's central coordination wiki"? [13:45:52] That's MediaWiki:Tagline I believe [13:46:18] correct [13:47:02] more info here [13:49:51] got that, and what do you call the line that contains the Read, Edit, Edit source, View history sections, can i change its text also? [13:51:16] you can't change the buttons themselves, and I'm not sure if it's possible to change text inside them [13:51:31] they can be restyled tho, via CSS [13:53:00] thanks a lot, im new to this wiki editing stuff so i cant know all of them [13:56:11] no problem, we all start somewhere [13:57:31] Bring the Real Life Villains Wiki BACK. [13:58:31] it was shut down because it violated rules of Miraheze, but you can find it now on another wiki hosting [13:58:56] I think it was shut down because it banned a page on a YouTuber who was exposed as a pedophile [13:59:07] no [13:59:47] it was shutdown because it didn't bring sources of information about real people they wrote about [14:00:01] reliable source [14:00:10] What is this Wikipedia? [14:00:33] Wikipedia has its own strict standards on information [14:00:48] and yet editors still should check everything [14:00:55] it's not immune to misinformation [14:03:00] anyway, I suggest to cease conversation abouta wiki which is long gone from Miraheze, or move it to #offtopic [14:12:48] can i change the title main page? [14:17:49] [1/2] w/ {{DISPLAYTITLE:title you want here}} [14:17:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/DISPLAYTITLE:Template:title_you_want_here [14:17:49] [2/2] you also can completely remove header fpr main page [14:18:08] *from [14:20:20] the DISPLAYTITLE thing has to be written in the page [14:20:47] so how can i remove the title? [14:22:22] two pages - MediaWiki:Mainpage-title and MediaWiki:Mainpage-title-loggedin - just make them blank [14:23:53] hmm they are already blanked [14:24:29] you gotta edit them [14:24:48] create I mean [14:30:52] Actually i need to change the entire wiki interface (just changing the texts), as my wiki is written in my own language. Is it possible? [14:37:33] I'm guessing w/ custom font, but real language stuff is tied w/ centralised mediawiki translation resource [14:37:37] Im about to continue the quest of clearing out the request queue some more, atm it seem to be just me handling wiki creations so I apologize for the huge delay guys [14:38:38] (I’m going in no particular order either) [14:39:24] is there a mediawiki page for that? [14:40:02] for what exactly? [14:40:25] that custom font you say [14:40:32] So regarding changing interface stuff, somethings can be changed by editing certain pages in the MediaWiki: namespace but somethings are handled by translatewiki, which would only support “officially recognized” languages (iirc) [14:40:53] yeah ^ [14:40:55] custom font has to be uploaded as file and then set up in MediaWiki:Common.css page [14:41:01] Fonts and stuff are limited by what’s allowed by Miraheze’s Content Security Policy [14:41:42] I’ve been out of the side of Miraheze for a few years now, so I have no idea what that entails anymore [14:42:43] Essentially unless you tell us exactly what you want, it’s pretty difficult to help [14:43:00] I've seen world building wikis uploading and using fully custom fonts [14:43:18] Oh I didn’t realize they allowed that now [14:43:19] not tied w/ copyrights and stuff [14:44:05] [1/2] one thing, we sometimes get errors w/ woff? file extension I thing [14:44:05] [2/2] not sure of it was fixed [14:46:43] man it's really hard for me to convey my ideas to you guys cuz im bad at english but i will try saying it again [14:47:23] Custom fonts on MH requires upload the font to the wiki then use CSS to load the font [14:56:40] so basically you can imagine my wiki as a separated language version of wikipedia.org (in my own language), and thus I want to edit all the texts in the wiki interface into my language. i want to know if it is possible to do that. [14:56:49] not so sure if you guys can get throught what i said [14:57:50] well [14:57:53] one thing - copies of Wikipedia aren't allowed [14:58:41] i have mailed to the wikipedia centre and they allowed me to do that [14:59:19] but we are on Miraheze [14:59:25] [15:00:07] what was your wiki request? [15:00:08] oh you mean it is not allowed in here [15:00:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/35156 here is my request [15:01:59] @zppix I might be wrong here [15:02:45] I guess if you're not actually forking Wikipedia it can work, but I'm not sure [15:03:00] Wikipedia clones and/or forks are not allowed on Miraheze [15:03:31] does the wiki request above counts as wp clone? [15:04:45] Hard to tell based off the request [15:05:05] Based on this discussion in here however, I would say yes [15:17:25] wait really [15:17:52] idk it is a wp clone [15:18:52] https://wiki-chd.fandom.com/wiki/Chidurian_Language_Wiki here is my wiki on fandom that i will import to here, is it counted as a clone? [15:19:19] im not entirely copy the contents also, i somewhat modify it and translate it [17:03:02] does anyone here have experience with WikiBase? [17:04:22] @lakelimbo no [17:05:02] It took like 3 years to install it [17:05:11] 🤔 [17:05:32] i'm not sure if I'm understanding how it works [17:05:37] I think they have a telegram [17:05:54] because I thought ``properties`` were like a more or less equivalent to a foreign key, but apparently not? [17:06:02] I'll reach to them [17:06:10] It's a relationship [17:06:18] I just pinged Lucas to ask where's best [18:41:30] We are being ddosed again [18:41:44] Let Marc know [18:41:57] Although I assume he's logged off for the day [18:46:08] [1/2] Again? [18:46:09] [2/2] Good grief. 😒 [18:46:10] oh no 😦 [18:46:31] I just got started on 2015 archive [18:46:33] <__cxp__> just add ddois prot [18:47:33] @__cxp__ please go read https://nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/cyber-choices [18:48:11] Seems like I can access my wiki, for now. 🤔 [18:48:22] <__cxp__, replying to rhinosf1> why [18:48:26] ovh is supposed to have ddos protection. Opened a ticket with them. [18:49:04] Because it's a criminal offence under the computer misuse act to impair the operation of a computer [18:49:43] OVH? [18:49:53] <__cxp__, replying to rhinosf1> i am not ddosing it [18:50:49] oh well good moment to ask a question I currently have the archive split up into different years, But is there anyway I can make a gigantic gallery very easily visible with small thumbnails for somebody trying to find a specific artist ? do I have to literally make a page with every image being mentioned or is there an easier method ? [18:51:24] @sleepytail there is a gallery parser tag [18:51:42] [18:51:59] maybe some of parameters will help w/ that [18:53:08] yeah but that still means I'm going to have to find every image and manually add it in there. [18:54:59] the goal of the archive is the make order into the chaos being created by pinterest. [18:57:24] ok messing around with ovh network thing [18:57:32] i've turned on permenant mitigation mode [19:00:37] A sortable table sounds like more your avenue if you aren't doing it already [19:05:40] Is anyone having issues with images not loading? [19:06:18] yup [19:06:33] ddos kid [19:06:46] yes, seems like things are still unstable [19:09:44] things should be resolved now [19:09:51] we've enabled more protection ovh side [19:10:56] yea, can confirm [19:11:42] Looks good now [19:12:35] yup [19:19:33] Is there a downside to this? If there wasn’t I’d assume it would have been enabled earlier. [19:20:20] I didn't find the option sooner. Only discovered it now. [19:20:40] Ah, makes sense, thank you. [19:24:49] [1/2] another ddos‽ good god... [19:24:50] [2/2] im scared to edit my wiki 😭 [19:25:27] oh phew [19:25:35] ty paladox 🙏 [19:29:55] I'm still experiencing "502 Bad Gateway" [19:30:42] this is the most fancy? Vector mod I've made so far, quite content w/ it + just finished this welcome block <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [19:31:07] bg art, UI icons and chekered borders curtosy of another admin [19:31:34] same here i am just trying to get into a wiki right now [19:34:12] it's working now [19:34:14] no problems on my side <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [19:56:31] ok, I think it's happening again [20:00:23] Dang thats nice [20:00:34] making me feel bad bout using plain ansia [20:03:56] wow that is gorgeous <:sparkleeyes:909009670813941761> [20:06:02] [1/5] Idk if that helps, but on WT/WF, they say they've migrated or something, and I think it worked: [20:06:02] [2/5] > Regarding recent DDoS attempts and 50X service degradations, while we were unable to determine a specific motive or targeted wiki for the attack, it was a happy coincidence of timing that Agent was already hard at work migrating our platform onto a more secure/robust foundation. This work, now completed, will be instrumental in preventing such disruptions goin [20:06:03] [3/5] g forward. [20:06:03] [4/5] > [20:06:03] [5/5] > This was only the first step to combat such threats and improve service quality globally, and we thank those who were impacted by the accelerated migration for their understanding and assistance in completing the necessary changes to make this first step possible. [20:06:38] huh [20:07:45] If WF/WT have something to share, they need to contact us or Notts Police [20:08:00] Or NFIB [20:10:28] But I doubt it's related [20:10:36] We are well aware of a target and a motive [20:10:40] And a suspect [20:10:50] Which is quite impressive for a denial of service [20:11:13] That’s good news not often associated with denial of service attacks [20:12:47] I saw that, I just don't really understand what we can do against him/them [20:13:35] It's up to Notts Police to investigate [20:14:00] If they have enough evidence, they'll refer it to the crown prosecution service to press charges and it could go to trial [20:14:09] A denial of service attack is a criminal offence [20:15:41] [1/2] I hope that'll work then [20:15:42] [2/2] actually we could also close 2b2t (or something like that) wiki, wich is by the way a really weird wiki, with a dextrogyr svastika on its main page [20:15:53] How do ya even know where the attack is coming from [20:16:23] Hm. Not the biggest loss. [20:16:40] That could prejudice a trial [20:17:23] they claimed it themselves https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1153823549929308260 [20:17:57] Its up to the police and CPS to decide whether to charge anyone, but it's an offence in the UK to carry out an attack with the intent to or recklessness as to impairing the operation of a computer [20:18:19] I was there for that, I mean knowing which police jurisdiction to contact [20:19:04] Miraheze is a UK based company. The National Fraud Intelligence Bureau manage all reports of fraud and cyber crime via Action Fraud [20:19:17] It falls as part of City of London Police [20:19:24] Ah [20:19:33] [1/2] it's best to not share too much publicly about how the platform is responding to ddos. [20:19:34] [2/2] no need to give the bad guys and workarounds or make it any easier for them. [20:19:38] This is what one of the ddosers said. [20:19:42] No we aren't closing any wiki [20:19:49] because someone decided to ddos us. [20:19:50] Why does Miraheze keep getting DDOSed? Is someone trying to test how the group of volunteers trying to save it is doing or something? [20:20:01] yeah that's why I've said that [20:20:03] Please read above [20:20:04] Some kid with no life [20:20:12] Otherwise any of your wikis could be closed because someone decides they didn't like it and ddosed us and said "close this and will stop" [20:20:25] imagine paying a randsomer money expecting them to go away [20:20:28] as me being doxxed by the 2b2t com i do want the 2b2t wiki gone [20:20:43] i just saw. I guess they could do something about the 2b2t wiki. Maybe someone should report 2b2t itself to Mojang as well! /s [20:20:52] It would establish a precedent. [20:20:52] oh boy [20:21:04] Its been around for over a decade [20:21:05] It's not established process? [20:21:08] [1/2] Honestly, I agree with your reasoning, it's the right thing to do. [20:21:08] [2/2] But you should still take a look at their content. It could violate content policy. [20:21:21] that's up to T&S and Stewards [20:21:33] We're not going to cave into a ransom demand. [20:21:35] There is a process for that, and DDoSing isn't that process [20:21:36] Yeah [20:21:43] i'm not agreeing with any content [20:21:54] i just disagree with shutting it down based on a ransoms demand [20:22:03] Agreed [20:22:11] Why would someone go as far as DDOSing an entire helpless wiki farm over the wiki for a Minecraft server? [20:22:35] Idfk nothing better to do with their lives [20:22:37] because sad invididuals. They'll be getting criminal records. [20:22:46] Charges? [20:22:54] yeh [20:23:00] I said “helpless” because they almost shut down and the future still seems a bit uncertain. [20:23:01] it's against the law in the united kingdom [20:23:04] doesn't mean that 2b2t shouldn't be closed at all. If it violates content policy, it should be closed. And as I said, with their dextrogyr svastika and other weird things, I'm pretty sure they're eligible to be closed [20:23:13] Probably everywhere in the world as well. [20:23:22] No one is arguing that. [20:23:33] Like I said if it violates the policy, then DDoSing isn't the process to do it with [20:23:40] Agreed [20:23:45] Although [20:24:03] I get the feeling this guy dont care much that it violates content policy [20:24:04] If I disagree with how the local supermarket handles their meat, getting out a gun and forcing change aint how to go about changing that [20:24:21] I think it's a phony argument too [20:26:00] [1/2] I know it's not the process, I'm just saying that there's nothing stopping us from looking at their content, ddos or not. [20:26:01] [2/2] But if you want, I'll report them myself, so that's the process and we can finally look at their content and see if it violates the rules or not. [20:26:05] it is this guy ddosing it right [20:26:14] yup [20:26:31] and you are? [20:26:40] He most likely lives in Russia. [20:26:44] or something like that [20:26:55] speculations aren't helping [20:27:05] You are free to start the process, and the admins can look at it, I think it's just an excuse myself. [20:27:09] Can we please keep it respectful, and not going on wild speculations, thanks. [20:27:32] We are aware of the issues, we are doing what we can to handle them. [20:27:50] it's useless to discuss it here of all places [20:28:33] I don’t know if Discord is really that usable as evidence. The screenshot may be thrown out in court. Server logs would be better when it comes to investigating the attacks. [20:28:49] guys [20:28:56] New topic. [20:29:05] OK, sorry! [20:29:08] my css <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [20:29:18] jk [20:29:21] I like this topic 🔧 [20:30:27] But for real I have no idea how you did half of this stuff [20:30:43] Gonna need to check out the CSS sometime [20:31:43] yeah, it's really cool ✨ [20:35:22] how do border images even work? :0 [20:36:49] Border images are cool! [20:36:58] Thats the one I didn’t get [20:37:04] Did chat bubbles in a discussion board with them [20:37:13] How they work? [20:38:22] [1/2] Google is your friend [20:38:23] [2/2] [20:38:48] Literally googling css will give you clean examples [20:40:53] it was trial and error tbh, I haven't poked arounf border-image before [20:41:15] Yeah they aren't the most intuitive of styling [20:41:20] especially w/ page actions tabs [20:41:24] it doesn't really explain the how of it well, does it just stretch an entire image over it? [20:42:00] [1/2] Also top google result [20:42:00] [2/2] [20:42:16] You'll have to read on each of the smaller properties to understand the shorthand [20:42:41] Like source, width and so on [20:42:47] there was a better link, wait [20:42:51] This one has better examples probably [20:43:05] https://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_border_images.asp [20:43:30] Oh that's the one [20:43:38] Thanks [20:43:55] ooh, nice <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [20:43:57] Forgot they had a nicer guide [20:44:13] Not everything will have one, so in such cases this still applies [20:44:53] I learned CSS mostly by one Russian site, W3S still doesn't come over friendly to me lol [20:45:14] By the way that looks awesome [20:45:26] thank u [20:45:33] Love the uneven outlines [20:45:40] True, bing AI also helpful at times [20:46:06] Its nothing compared to asking a human who knows [20:46:07] but [20:46:12] In case of css just googling is faster, unless you don't know what you're looking for and search for how to do x [20:46:16] ooh is that still up? [20:46:21] yeah [20:46:53] I learn pretty well by example, so looking at what other people make, to understand how it works and how to do it [20:47:04] https://htmlbook.ru/css/border-image [20:47:05] <3 gituhb [20:47:11] I see Bing as a more talkative search bar 😆 [20:47:22] REAL [20:47:34] ooh ty 😄 [20:49:05] I've been kinda wanting to try and make a custom wiki theme for a while but busy and no idea how [20:52:03] If there are any guide pages on that do tell [20:52:13] Im the kinda person to read docs for fun [20:52:34] Wish there was a template for popular skins to customize colors all at once [20:52:59] Generally people do everything from scratch by using the browser inspector to style [20:53:30] I do that a bit as well [20:54:44] good night fellas <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [20:54:59] Gn Legroom <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [20:55:09] Night night [20:55:46] Fun fact last time I tinkered with a Citizen wiki it tended to use css variables by default iirc. So customizing Citizen could be easier out of the box [20:56:32] good night [20:56:44] i think I normally use citizen as my personal skin [21:03:34] Ansia dark mode is pain [21:14:59] W3S is often not the best if you don't know the basics yet. but I do find that it is often a far easier to navigate and use in general than most official documention, while still providing just as good information [21:42:30] <5.35> [1/5] For reference tooltips, [21:42:31] <5.35> [2/5] [MediaWiki](www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reference_Tooltips#About) writes: [21:42:31] <5.35> [3/5] > ReferenceTooltips [ResourceLoader | type=general | dependencies = mediawiki.cookie, jquery.client] | ReferenceTooltips.js | ReferenceTooltips.css [21:42:31] <5.35> [4/5] ZH Wikipedia writes: [21:42:31] <5.35> [5/5] > ReferenceTooltips [ResourceLoader | dependencies = mediawiki.util, ext.gadget.site-lib | default | type = general] | ReferenceTooltips.js | ReferenceTooltips.css [21:42:50] <5.35> [1/6] For reference tooltips, [21:42:50] <5.35> [2/6] MediaWiki writes: [1] [21:42:51] <5.35> [3/6] > ReferenceTooltips [ResourceLoader | type=general | dependencies = mediawiki.cookie, jquery.client] | ReferenceTooltips.js | ReferenceTooltips.css [21:42:51] <5.35> [4/6] ZH Wikipedia writes: [21:42:51] <5.35> [5/6] > ReferenceTooltips [ResourceLoader | dependencies = mediawiki.util, ext.gadget.site-lib | default | type = general] | ReferenceTooltips.js | ReferenceTooltips.css [21:42:52] <5.35> [6/6] 1. www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reference_Tooltips#About [21:42:57] <5.35> What are dependencies? [21:43:39] <5.35> [1/2] I copied everything (definition, js, css) exactly the same from ZH Wikipedia, didn't work [21:43:40] <5.35> [2/2] then from EN Wikipedia, still not working [21:44:12] <5.35> #Reference tooltips [21:53:58] <5.35> oh wait [21:54:01] <5.35> it is working now [21:54:03] <5.35> finally [21:54:10] <5.35> lemme see what had gone wrong [21:54:12] <5.35> <:00forever238:901436926446428170> [22:14:20] <5.35> Not sure why but zh wikipedia's reference tooltips not working [22:14:25] <5.35> en wikipedia's works [22:14:33] <5.35> I think problem solved [23:49:13] How to add links to text on images?