[00:15:15] theres @s in css? [00:30:38] wouldnt a purge do it? [02:29:09] the images are shown strange [02:30:53] can you explain? I have little time to mantain my wiki and I didn't understand what you did [02:39:15] [1/4] I'm not sure what your issue is but it looks different to mine, all the images looks fine on my end. Happy to talk about what I'm trying if someone has the same issue as me but you appear to have something different [02:39:15] [2/4] That said the process of fixing may be similar. My understanding is that a bunch of things in the backend had their names changed, meaning that our custom CSSs point to aspects that no longer exist, at least not in the same way. So at a guess the border of the image has had its background reverted to the default white. You'll want to go back into common [02:39:16] [3/4] .css (or whichever file you edited to make the css) and tweak that to change the value. To find the value you're looking for, open the page in another window and open your browser's inspection tool (F12 in Firefox) and find the line that points to the thing you want to change, then copy in the fix into the css [02:39:16] [4/4] disclaimer I'm a complete amateur throwing things at the wall to see what sticks, but I'm slowly getting there [02:43:36] thanks for the help [02:44:01] I will contact with the other admins, although I am the admin they are the ones who did touch the css and now about this [02:50:04] It seems the wrapper for thumbnails got changed from a div to a figure [03:19:00] is there any way to fix this issue with old file revisions not displaying the thumbnail? [03:26:11] If you try to open the thumbnail directly do you get any sort of error? [03:26:39] it opens like normal when clicking on it but the preview thumbnail displays a 404 error when i open it via inspect element [03:26:58] Hmm, do you have a link? [03:27:11] https://removededm.com/wiki/File:Future_House_K.Safo_%26_Alex_Skrindo_-_Future_Vibes_(Uplink_Remix)-urFoo5qCasE.jpg [03:32:08] Huh, odd that the link target is correct but not the image source [03:35:16] Ohh, I see what's up [03:41:46] its worked the same on my wiki for awhile as well, I kinda figured it was just how it was tbh [03:55:53] my wiki looks all bungled now... is this from the maint ;_; [03:59:57] [1/2] yes, the upgrade the 1.40 has affected a lot of css & skins, things that will have to be manually fixed by yourself/other wiki contributiors [03:59:58] [2/2] to my understanding, these changes were intended for the most part, so yeah ... it's just outdated css now basically, that has to be updated on user's end of things :( [04:01:03] agony [04:01:12] is there any way to put the toolbar back?? i liked it on the left [06:46:41] howdy, having a slight css issue, i can't seem to get the countryname variable to align centrally. anyone know what i'm doing wrong? [06:48:20] by default text in `th` is centered [06:49:32] [1/2] you changed it to left, so the class will need an `!important` [06:49:32] [2/2] I'd suggest to do the other way around, make a class for left aligning [06:49:53] then you won't have to align th by default [06:51:40] alright ill give that a shot thanks [09:44:52] lost attention while i was waiting for css to load, but i just wanted to say thanks and that it works well cheers [09:53:16] np [11:24:47] So what's with old mate here going wild in Phabricator? [11:45:09] vandalized all over phabricator claiming that his request was ignored - w/o even telling us what was the request [11:45:34] oh wait he's back huh [11:45:59] under another account [11:47:56] and we can't ping anyone w/ admin rights [11:49:22] [1/2] @void I think this guy's IP range needs to be blocked at this point, he creates new Miraheze accounts [11:49:22] [2/2] [[User:RespectMat]] [11:49:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:RespectMat [11:49:23]

[11:49:38] @orduin [11:53:02] disabled user [11:53:21] @zppix @orduin i guess ban on-wiki ^? [11:54:39] needs to be IP checked w/ previous attempt [11:54:51] and range blocked [11:55:26] or he'll continue to make new socks and logging into phab [11:58:27] behaviour bellow typical fandom vandals [12:00:10] guess we'll wait for void to rollback? [12:56:24] The bureaucrat of our wiki got a talk page message from a different username saying similar [13:02:29] it's a troll [13:03:28] problem with posting comments on all pages is solved, seems i had to disable Visul editor and then enable it back...no more error about converting. [13:03:28] 👍 [13:05:47] Oh yeah, I know it's a troll, just reporting that they're roving talk pages too [13:06:40] Probably a good idea for @prduin lock and CU these accounts [13:07:15] oh yeh [13:22:19] I see you guys are already talking about me. Honestly this is worse than the Chinese Communist Party. A user tries to express discontent with the awful state of things and the first instinct is to silence all dissent and only approve of users who think everything is fine and the others get called trolls [13:22:31] I am not a troll. I am simply so disappointed in what is happening here and how people can't see it. [13:29:09] you was told what's going on [13:29:25] you are only pissing off other people [13:29:25] it's one thing to express discontent, a whole other thing to spam the same thing over and over [13:29:46] and you haven't said what was your request when I asked the first time [13:30:07] such actions won't make people feeling sympathy toward you [13:30:27] also funny you've made another discord account [13:31:32] you rly can't expect to get what u want when ur vandalizing talk pages, either [13:32:02] like just contact someone, tell them ur request, and they'd be able to tell u what the hold up is [13:32:19] don't jump to "the sky is falling, the end of times is near" [14:43:38] anyone know why a template would be cannibalizing text above it? is it just a visual editor quirk? [14:44:29] you mean `{{NavBox}}`? [14:44:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:NavBox [14:45:28] yeah, in visual editor on that page you can't select or edit "test" because it's considered part of navbox <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [14:49:10] the text is outside of the template, so it seems strange [14:52:42] Until Miraheze actively starts murdering dissenters or throwing them in concentration camps, I would consider the state of things to be immeasurably better. [15:01:41] blocked on meta [15:02:40] What is the maximum number of pages a Miraheze-hosted website can have? [15:03:03] In theory unlimited [15:04:03] but for budget reasons, at which threshold approximatively does it start to be costly for Miraheze? [15:05:45] for us, tbh, hard to answer [15:06:05] it depends on page size + other factors [15:06:39] like what extensions you are using or how much images you will host here [15:10:41] [1/4] is there a maximum for templates, and is it well understood at all? [15:10:41] [2/4] I have a template where I'm trying to store all information/attributes of different items, so that when these items are referenced across the wiki they will be pulling their info from one place. making it much easier to stay consistent and to update item info if needed. [15:10:42] [3/4] but over the years I would imagine this template could grow to have tens of thousands of items ... it's all just text, so hypothetically a lot of text is still relatively okay, but like ... should I be planning to, at some point, have to split up this master template a bit because it might end up breaking at some point? or would it be pretty reliable regardless? [15:10:42] [4/4] for reference the templates basic logic is that it's using `#switch`, and every item is a case. when calling the template, it's just like `{{Item|Item Name}}` and it grabs the case based on item name (or defaults to unknown item info) [15:10:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Item [15:12:06] I'm honestly recommended you to use something like SMW or Cargo or Wikibase for that much of infos- [15:12:42] How many times does that template will be shown in page? [15:14:36] Uh Abuse Filter is a user? Anyone know what’s up with this? [15:14:56] [1/2] will have to look into that. I definitely want to set something up that would work the best, and I already had a slight feeling it might be a misuse of templates ... [15:14:57] [2/2] but, also, hypothetically it would be a lot. constantly listing prize pools or item rewards, and in some cases archiving past prize pools meaning there would be pages with a LOT of items referenced ... [15:15:37] There are technical limits to any page. You can view the limits that a page is currently at by editing the page, selecting Preview, and then looking at "Parser profiling data" underneath. When a page exceeds a limit, content after the point where the limit was exceeded may not load. [15:15:40] @pixldev the user account is used for the block the user when triggered option [15:15:55] Ah, thanks [15:15:58] (this is why it has admin rights by default) [15:16:09] I'm just started using Wikibase.Cloud recently and you might want to look into that- [15:16:10] Shame, gonna look weird [15:16:21] Would removing its admin right break anything? [15:16:50] Interesting thank you [15:17:38] Are there miraheze examples of templates because I still don't manage to display them even with copy pastes [15:19:29] what are the templates exactly? [15:31:40] Iirc this discussion was had last year, apparently SQL has a very large but finate amount of rows so there is a limit but it's like millions. [15:32:14] The chances of anyone hitting that limit is slim [15:32:33] Indeed [15:37:06] https://tenor.com/view/challenge-accepted-challenge-accepted-gif-21781157 [15:40:48] Yes, there's a limit but you will not reach it [15:41:03] You will find yourself banned long before you reach it [15:41:27] [15:41:33] Or at least paying for all the extra capacity it would take [15:43:50] abusing resources are probihited here right? [15:44:28] Maybe there are only 2147483647 possible rows! [15:45:16] I can temporary see what messages people delete- [15:46:40] SREs, how much are people are using either WB Repo or WB Client? [15:55:32] [1/3] This is the simplest solution at a small scale. If you plan to add more over time though, I'd recommend to either [15:55:32] [2/3] - have a template for each item instead: this way you just add more pages instead of expanding the same huge one [15:55:33] [3/3] - move to lua data module, or extensions like Cargo or SMW. Please note that those require some learning to use though [16:00:28] 363 wikis have repository enabled, 400 have client enabled [16:00:44] Yes [16:01:30] That definitely sounds like structured data [16:05:42] @jordan21_03863 [16:13:54] [1/3] curious about creating new pages... i will say something else im considering... each item has an associated file page already, their icons. ive considered storing item data within the file pages themselves, and then essentially designing a template that would basically be automatically transcluding information from the filepage instead. the entered variable would [16:13:54] [2/3] be the item name, and the template would automate the rest of the transclusion code from there... [16:13:54] [3/3] that may sort of be the same thing as what you're saying, with creating a new page basically. each item in a sense already has a page, in that it has a file page anyway ... that may be a bit better to do then? [16:15:10] needs some contributors and would provide help to them [16:16:51] [1/3] as far as using an extension, i'm interested in smw because the skin i use, pivot, supposedly has some things designed in mind for it, or something? but mostly after reading about it im not sure i understand how it would relieve the master template of its burden haha. it just seems to be able to make it easier to search and create meaningful queries of the data? which is still very in [16:16:52] [2/3] teresting/desired, but, at this point i still feel like i'd be using that master template... [16:16:52] [3/3] either way ill look more in smw & possibly storing item data alongside their file pages, see how that works out for me 🤔 [16:45:31] [1/3] the limits in question are what's after /? or one should get concerned at something else? [16:45:31] [2/3] I have this wiki, the most important pages have tabbers, where each tab transcludes a subpage, and ofc there is considerable amount of templates [16:45:31] [3/3] this is what I got rn opening preview on my android [16:49:17] The first number is the current value, while the second value is the limit. You only need to be concerned if the first number starts to approach the second number. [16:51:53] But you should of course try and keep the first number as low as possible. [17:10:49] [1/2] sure, but I just don't know what to do to make simpler in this particular case, I know the page is just big [17:10:49] [2/2] there are images, lots of various templates, and particularly that one js tooltip [17:48:59] What’s the best way to install MBox on a wiki, is there a guide or just figure it out and copy paste [17:52:17] MBox as the usual template? [18:21:26] The Message Box Lua module, unless there’s a pure template version Im not aware of [19:43:36] they broke again <:xsob:912928935577276526> [19:44:01] [1/3] im trying to run some tests to give me some idea of what method might be better... [19:44:01] [2/3] parser data for the template-per-item method & parser data for the use-items-filepage-for-info method ... [19:44:01] [3/3] they seem really comparable ... i guess i lean towards using the item's filepage since it would cut down on the potential thousands of template pages 🤔 [19:47:32] I wouldn't really do it on item file pages, they're meant for the file license and maybe additional info. You should at least do that on their subpages [19:48:39] By the way, you can transclude page from any namespace (except for some special pages), so you could use the item page subpages for that too. [19:50:03] Like "Gold/Data" [19:55:34] cache again? [19:55:45] yeah I goofed [19:56:19] I fixed replaced separet hoover class w/ img for one template but haven't in another (this one) [19:56:42] so after I changed its styles.css - it showed up [19:59:03] well the good part is that it didn't break <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [20:01:46] also for this, I got worried because it ate the category text on a page, but it's not causing any issues so I guess it's fine/indeed a visual editor quirk [20:14:37] [1/3] I have a question about the comment box I currently enabled it and I really like it but there is one thing I don't like when somebody comments it's gets saved within the wiki page itself [20:14:38] [2/3] and not on a separate location meaning somebody can alter somebody's comment by Simply editing the wiki page so is there anyway to separate this ? [20:14:38] [3/3] like on fandom ? [20:15:23] ther are 3 comment extensions [20:15:47] not sure if any of them work like fandom's comments [20:18:00] so you don't know if they will be separated ? because that's the most important thing [20:18:27] I haven't worked w/ them, check their documentations [20:23:56] [1/2] my first thought is locking page editing, but assuming you want people to still be able to edit the actual page itself, then... you're kind of out of luck. if you trust common users to edit the page itself accurately, then you must also trust common users not to mess with the comment history. [20:23:56] [2/2] plus there is an edit history, so in cases of true vandalism or trolling or spam, it's easy to rollback those edits, etc etc ... [20:25:26] their wiki is at risk to get vandalized [20:34:49] [1/3] @k4mryn the wiki is supposed to be an open platform knowledge changes all the time it's the way it is I don't know everything and well somebody [20:34:49] [2/3] might know. [20:34:50] [3/3] however I did protect templates since I do not see a reason for people to interact with that. [20:35:33] I feel most wikis should be locked to only certain users can modify it. [20:35:43] But right now I don't have those users- [20:37:23] like legroom said, i'd recommend just going and checking the documentation for the extension, and maybe looking into alternative comment extensions. there may be one that's designed so that it doesn't store the comments in the page directly, basically [20:38:11] I think [[Extension:CommentStreams]] is the best solution, it works on all pages w/o the need to add comment area manually (I believe) and comments are stored separately [20:38:11] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extension:CommentStreams [20:38:11]

[20:38:24] Agreed [20:38:38] I use it on Nyctopedia, looks great and works great [20:41:42] [1/2] what your wiki is about exactly? [20:41:42] [2/2] like I said before, if it's an original worldbuilding type of wiki it's incredibly hard to find editors for such projects, and I've seen other such admins trying to find them here but never saw it really working [20:42:20] Oh uh, It's documenting a video game series [20:42:32] then it's much easier [20:42:35] Using multiple pages for doing that. [20:42:50] go around their commuinities, hashtags, etc [20:43:06] It's a new one. Not something pre established [20:43:34] Go to communities that specifically support that game [20:43:52] any new things gets some kind of following [20:45:08] I wish that were true for paid itch.io games- [20:45:24] Currently the gamejolt for it has about 10- people listed [20:46:39] So I don't believe one out of them to be good at summarizing information and organizing it for a website [20:46:47] Without going off topic. In anyway [20:52:46] <34.29cm, replying to 34.29cm> Hi! Does anyone know the id to use in Vector.css to change the background-colour of this new menu sidebar, as well as the table of contents which is also white? They're a bit of a pain to look for, and since cache can take a while to clear testing them takes a lot of time [20:53:52] @theoneandonlylegroom done oh well the few people who did comment I guess the comments cannot be saved but it's good I like the comment stream it's exactly the same as I already had and it can be used on every page I see just like before it is exactly what I was looking for thanks. [20:54:29] Is there an API for mediawiki/miraheze to filter Special:AllPages pages with a category [20:59:19] for testing you can create a page like User:name/common.css, this would be css only visible to you and updates way faster [21:02:08] <34.29cm> I don't really mind visibility - though I'm surprised that it updates faster? [21:03:42] yeah I'm not sure why, but it applies like right away [21:04:08] <34.29cm> oh wow you're right, it looks like the id I was using for the TOC was right. That should help a little bit, thanks! [21:06:26] yay np, also do you know you can type stuff in the inspect tool? that makes finding the right id easier also [21:07:27] <34.29cm> I do, though I often forget to! Probably because I'm bad at finding the right one and that makes it almost equally slow [21:07:35] Think you can do like https://name.miraheze.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmtitle=Category:Name&cmlimit=500&format=json [21:08:07] @pier1337 [21:34:58] <34.29cm> [1/2] I managed to edit the sidebar and TOC, only to notice know that image thumbnails have also changed 😭 [21:34:58] <34.29cm> [2/2] I also noticed that pages look stuck to the right. This is something I remember finding a quick fix for on my previous Wiki but the new admin has changed themes and deleted my old Vector.css page 🫡 [21:49:52] <34.29cm> I was able to edit everything I wanted except for the background of image thumbs (the type that show up with `[[File:Filename.png|thumb]]`). I'll have to try again later but if anyone knows for a fact how to change that I'd be very interested 🙏 [21:49:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Filename.png [23:26:14] [1/2] very unfortunately I think the only way to point to thumbnails now after the update is a really weird code [23:26:14] [2/2] I'm almost positive you're looking for something that's like... figure type of=mw/thumb, or something really bizarre like that [23:27:37] <34.29cm> that's what it looks like, but I tried and couldn't get it to work