[00:41:07] how can i keep image captions from showing on page previews? i read on MediaWiki that using `class=noexcerpt` will do, and it does, but i was wondering if there's a way to do it without having to add that class to every single image [02:10:20] anyone know what causes this uneven spacing and how to avoid it? [02:10:39] [1/3] ```268,838km^{2/sup (Total)

[02:10:39] [2/3] 264,537km^{2/sup (Land)

[02:10:40] [3/3] 4,301km^{2/sup (Water)``` that's what the value is
[02:15:40] *also if anyone could let me know how to get references within infoboxes working well that would be nice
[02:16:57] isn't it because Total is still part of the above section which adds space under it by itself? so
after Total is not needed
[02:21:28] im not sure why this thumbnail is wrong? it seems to be fine on every other page, but for some reason this one in particular shows the map
[02:21:35] does anyone have any idea
[02:23:30] the hidden portion is what is meant to show up in the thumbnail, and it seems to be working on every other page
[02:24:27] [1/2] could be wrong but I think this is of relevance?
[02:24:27] [2/2]
[02:24:35] that was just something i did to try fix it, i also have a
after the second line but the gap is different
[02:25:55] i believe this the extension im using yeah, let me take a llook
[02:29:57] btw if you're relying on the hiddenportion class, file classes broke recently, you need to add img in the selector like .hiddenportion img
[02:30:08] ok so what i can tell there isnt actually a way to specifically pick the image? adding notpageimage until it works is fine, just feels like there would be some sort of option to specifically pick one. am i misunderstanding?
[02:30:45] oh what? can you explain/show how to do that? have always used class=... 😅
[02:31:44] [1/2] that does seem to be the case. someone else recently had issues with this and that's why I immediately thought of this when I saw your issue, and yeah, I honestly don't get why it works on only a blacklist sort of operation.
[02:31:44] [2/2] "class=notpageimage" would imply the existence of a "class=pageimage", but since it's not documented there I doubt it actually functions that way. I don't understand why it's not possible to just select a desired option, rather than excluding all undesired ones, either ...
[02:32:17] yeah, that feels very# wrong
[02:32:25] it's on the css side, like commons.css were you'd have .class, it now needs to be .class img
[02:32:28] but i guess it will do
[02:32:55] ah i see, thank you
[02:33:24] do i need to add it to mobile.css as well or?
[02:34:13] thanks for your help btw
[02:34:42] yeah most likely
[02:34:49] ok, thank you :)
[02:42:33] ok im not sure if i just need to give it some time or if there is an issue with portableinfobox here, but it seems like the notpageimage class isnt actually applying to the image (the map) within the portableinfobox (which is the current thumbnail)
[02:43:45] i have a feeling its something to do with portableinfobox because its applying its own classes to the image
[02:48:47] gonna try blocking the image wiki-wide like the documentation says
[02:50:25] [1/3] it could take time, it may also rely on the page being updated. something you could try is go to the effected page, edit and delete some content, save, then go right back and edit the content back to normal and save.
[02:50:25] [2/3] the documentation page from before mentions something about this, and that the page image is only updated with some sort of LinksUpdate parser hook updates, which it says happens during page editing??? previous user also had issues getting it to update ...
[02:50:26] [3/3] if it is an issue with the infobox, that may make sense. i think the previous user was also working with an infobox? maybe it is an issue with pi
[02:51:17] very weird system lol
[02:53:19] let me see if it changes if i totally remove the image from the page, i justr tried editing and it didnt update
[02:54:11] wtf, that fixed it
[02:54:29] but the map image is blocked in MediaWiki:Pageimages-denylist??
[02:55:00] maybe thats it then, you have to remove & add an image to get it to update? i guess that sorta makes sense. i just wasn't sure exactly what this meant: `Pageimages populates images whenever the LinksUpdate hook runs, e.g. when a page is being edited.`
[02:55:34] yeah let me see what happens once i add the image back
[02:56:03] if you just wanted to, i suppose you could remove it from denylist, trying removing the image again, and see if the notpageimage class does work, it just has to be manually updated in that way? but the denylist should be fine, whatever works
[02:56:41] unless i have to follow the exact listing in the blacklist example, i just put `[[File:etc.png]]` rather than `* [[:File...`
[02:56:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:etc.png
[02:57:14] yeah adding the image back put it back to the map
[02:57:39] oooooooooooohkay and now something else broke but for now i will just ignore it lol
[02:57:54] could also try .class > a > img, that seems to work on a portable box image on my end, where .class img didn't
[02:58:25] for the notpageimage class?
[02:58:34] yeah
[02:58:43] or er, the hidden one
[02:58:48] gotta find out where thats defined
[02:59:15] yeah for some reason the addition of "img" has (presumably) caused the images to appear on other pages (https://rouxalthistory.miraheze.org/wiki/Eastern_Venine_Republic)
[02:59:27] but not on the page where this whole map issue is
[02:59:47] ............and not on literally any other page apparently????????? what???????????
[02:59:59] all of these issues are on single pages
[03:00:17] are those single pages recently updates ones?
[03:00:36] 18 october, so not really
[03:00:52] actually, compared to other ones ive checked, yes
[03:01:18] lemme ctrl f5 and see if the issue appears on other pages
[03:02:00] no it doesnt seem to happen
[03:02:09] only on here
[03:03:44] ok fixed it, idk if the class was typed wrong or something but i just pasted over the class= text again and its fine, looked right to me but whatever
[03:04:35] oh for crying out loud, now this page is showing the map as the thumb too
[03:13:10] [1/2] seems you do have to do this, but i dont really want to block these images from being thumbnails wiki-wide, but this will do for now (maybe i just have to clone the images or something)
[03:13:10] [2/2] maybe i should try making my own infoboxes to see if it is portableinfobox interfering
[03:13:21] will try tomorrow, thanks for your help
[04:57:01] guys, any way to exclude sitenotice text to be picked by textextract -> wikiseo?
[07:47:21] Did anyone using the new version of Vector 2022 know how to basically readapt the text to take up the space that was taken by the right sidebar if hidden?
[07:47:50] Tried taking a look but I heard one of my last neurons pop
[10:42:57] if I make `#ifeq` function w/ an optional parameter, and the parameter is left blank on page - nothing will be added or function will put not equal result?
[10:50:14] nothing will be added
[10:50:19] nice
[11:00:24] or not ...
[11:01:41] Heyo, quick qu- is it better to follow through with a wiki rename request on phabricator or should I open a new wiki with the new domain and transfer everything over?
[11:46:47] you mean subdomain or custom domain?
[11:51:57] if you mean subdomain that's gonna be redundant either way, i.e. requesting db name change on phab or requesting import to new wiki (not sure if it even get accepted) on phab + asking to delete old wiki on SN (or close it and wait for DP to do the thing)
[11:52:38] the second way is certainly more redundant
[11:55:34] if you mean custom domain, these requests are done much quicker than most of phab tasks, it seems
[12:19:07] Guys, I received an unsolicited DM regarding the status of Mirahaze. Should I be worried?
[12:19:28] [1/11] The unsolicited DM went like this:
[12:19:29] [2/11] ```
[12:19:29] [3/11] Hi,
[12:19:29] [4/11] I am sorry to send an unsolicited DM.
[12:19:30] [5/11] I am a Miraheze user and just thought that you deserve to know what it happening. I have begged the current administration to be more transparent and honest but they have refused. To give you a quick idea they have not advanced with moving the board from the UK to the US in more than 4 months and there are no signs that they will do so. Tasks on Phabricator have also not b
[12:19:30] [6/11] een responded to in months. Funds are running out and volunteers as well. I believe that Miraheze will soon be forced to shut down and the administration is completely ignoring this threat.
[12:19:30] [7/11] My recommendation is - after having independently checked out the situation of course - to find a new wiki host. Here are some you may wish to check out depending on your preferences:
[12:19:31] [8/11]
[12:19:31] [9/11] Thank you for your attention. Jordan
[12:19:31] [10/11] I am really not here to get any gain and I do not endorse any specific alternatives. I am simply disappointed in how Miraheze treated me and don’t want this to happen to other wikis. I don’t feel like Miraheze has a future.
[12:19:31] [11/11] ```
[12:19:49] i just got this too, there’s something in #support saying it’s someone who’s going around trolling
[12:20:03] [1/12] Hi,
[12:20:03] [2/12] First of all. I am not a troll and I have done nothing that suggests this. A message informing you about the situation is not trolling, it makes no sense to refer to this as trolling.
[12:20:04] [3/12] I am a Miraheze user and just thought that you deserve to know what it happening. I have begged the current administration to be more transparent and honest but they have refused. To give you a quick idea they have not advanced with moving the board from the UK to the US in more than 4 months and there are no signs that they will do so. Tasks on Phabricator have also not been
[12:20:04] [4/12] responded to in months. Funds are running out and volunteers as well. I believe that Miraheze will soon be forced to shut down and the administration is completely ignoring this threat.
[12:20:04] [5/12] My recommendation is - after having independently checked out the situation of course - to find a new wiki host. Here are some you may wish to check out depending on your preferences:
[12:20:05] [6/12] * Fandom
[12:20:05] [7/12] * MyWikis
[12:20:05] [8/12] * WikiTide
[12:20:06] [9/12] * Wiki.gg (games only)
[12:20:06] [10/12] * ProfessionalWiki
[12:20:06] [11/12] Thank you for your attention. Jordan
[12:20:06] [12/12] I am really not here to get any gain and I do not endorse any specific alternatives. I am simply disappointed in how Miraheze treated me and don’t want this to happen to other wikis. I don’t feel like Miraheze has a future.
[12:20:41] Excuse me but wtf
[12:20:44] lol
[12:21:11] @Discord Moderators
[12:21:29] I do not understand why everyone assumes it is trolling. Can you please show me an example of anyone at Miraheze working hard for us?
[12:21:32] Or an example of a task being done?
[12:21:38] @deckerjor_40192 your brand new account and the very text of your post just proves you're a troll. smh
[12:21:41] When I asked they told me to be quiet and wait for months
[12:22:04] The fact that Mirahaze is still running proves that they are working their hardest.
[12:22:04] Yes I had to make a new account because I keep getting banned for daring to say something
[12:22:04] Their resources are stretched thin. Count your blessings.
[12:22:06] No it does not. Miraheze can run without constant human intervention
[12:22:10] @stephanustavilrond https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1166085371176701982
[12:22:12] here
[12:22:32] EXACTLY. They TELL US they are doing something but then they never do
[12:22:39] That is what happened with me
[12:22:42] i’m not agreeing with you lol
[12:22:53] No I mean you are proving me right
[12:23:00] They say they will do tasks and work hard but then they do not
[12:23:09] And if you think I am lying look at phabricator
[12:23:15] There are so many tasks with no answers in at least a month
[12:23:42] Patience, dude.
[12:23:44] There are so many other hosts where volunteers and staff actually do work hard. The current administration doesn't deserve you to protect them. If they are working hard they must have something to show for themselves
[12:24:00] And they are so disrespectful to users and to me especially when I dared question them
[12:24:04] [1/12] Hi,
[12:24:04] [2/12] First of all. I am not a troll and I have done nothing that suggests this. A message informing you about the situation is not trolling, it makes no sense to refer to this as trolling.
[12:24:04] [3/12] I am a Miraheze user and just thought that you deserve to know what it happening. I have begged the current administration to be more transparent and honest but they have refused. To give you a quick idea they have not advanced with moving the board from the UK to the US in more than 4 months and there are no signs that they will do so. Tasks on Phabricator have also not been
[12:24:05] [4/12] responded to in months. Funds are running out and volunteers as well. I believe that Miraheze will soon be forced to shut down and the administration is completely ignoring this threat.
[12:24:05] [5/12] My recommendation is - after having independently checked out the situation of course - to find a new wiki host. Here are some you may wish to check out depending on your preferences:
[12:24:05] [6/12] * Fandom
[12:24:06] [7/12] * MyWikis
[12:24:06] [8/12] * WikiTide
[12:24:06] [9/12] * Wiki.gg (games only)
[12:24:07] [10/12] * ProfessionalWiki
[12:24:07] [11/12] Thank you for your attention. Jordan
[12:24:07] [12/12] I am really not here to get any gain and I do not endorse any specific alternatives. I am simply disappointed in how Miraheze treated me and don’t want this to happen to other wikis. I don’t feel like Miraheze has a future.
[12:24:08] the current administration makes the site run fine and that’s good enough for me
[12:24:10] No they dont
[12:24:12] They are not doing anything
[12:24:17] The site can run without intervention
[12:24:18] They are keeping the site running
[12:24:24] from my perspective it is ok
[12:24:25] No it can't.
[12:25:05] am i allowed to ping moderators? i have no idea
[12:25:15] Tasks are simply not being done. That is a fact and you can see for yourselves on Phabricator
[12:25:28] The fact that one volunteer may log into servers once a week to make sure things aren't dying isn't impressive
[12:25:41] The fact that they insult us and disrespect us for asking questions is a big problem
[12:25:42] [1/12] Hi,
[12:25:42] [2/12] First of all. I am not a troll and I have done nothing that suggests this. A message informing you about the situation is not trolling, it makes no sense to refer to this as trolling.
[12:25:42] [3/12] I am a Miraheze user and just thought that you deserve to know what it happening. I have begged the current administration to be more transparent and honest but they have refused. To give you a quick idea they have not advanced with moving the board from the UK to the US in more than 4 months and there are no signs that they will do so. Tasks on Phabricator have also not been
[12:25:43] [4/12] responded to in months. Funds are running out and volunteers as well. I believe that Miraheze will soon be forced to shut down and the administration is completely ignoring this threat.
[12:25:43] [5/12] My recommendation is - after having independently checked out the situation of course - to find a new wiki host. Here are some you may wish to check out depending on your preferences:
[12:25:43] [6/12] * Fandom
[12:25:44] [7/12] * MyWikis
[12:25:44] [8/12] * WikiTide
[12:25:44] [9/12] * Wiki.gg (games only)
[12:25:45] [10/12] * ProfessionalWiki
[12:25:45] [11/12] Thank you for your attention. Jordan
[12:25:45] [12/12] I am really not here to get any gain and I do not endorse any specific alternatives. I am simply disappointed in how Miraheze treated me and don’t want this to happen to other wikis. I don’t feel like Miraheze has a future.
[12:25:50] @Discord Moderators
[12:26:12] its not like they probably have jobs or are in education or something! totally! they have all the time in the world to dedicate to miraheze!
[12:26:21] (i’m being sarcastic if that’s not obvious)
[12:27:50] sigh
[12:30:25] Banned
[12:30:28] there we go
[12:30:31] thanks
[12:30:50] can the support thread be closed too? https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1166712890494029896
[12:31:24] maybe it should be pinned or something if this guy comes about again
[12:31:27] Jeez
[12:32:12] Considering he’s been showing up for several days now i just expect it to continue sadly.
[12:32:26] yeah, i feel it should be pinned
[12:32:56] oooooh mb
[12:33:04] i thought that thread was this one: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1166085371176701982
[12:33:58] Can only have one pinned thread in a forum I think right?
[12:34:28] i am not sure. haven’t rlly used forum channels too much
[12:34:37] i think you can? i’ve seen it in an osu! server i think
[12:35:10] I just tried to pin two channels in a forum on a server I run and I wasn’t able to do it
[12:35:45] ah mb then
[12:35:56] Although I didn't like the unsolicited dm, he did remind me of wiki.gg..
[12:36:15] I definitely needed to look into them at some time
[12:36:29] Is that real?
[12:36:50] no, https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1166085371176701982 or scroll u
[12:38:00] No it’s not.
[12:38:26] [1/3] Oh
[12:38:27] [2/3] I see
[12:38:27] [3/3] He was bit trolling
[12:40:34] Despite his self claim to the contrary, yes.
[12:42:35] How to change embed image on discord when i share the wiki page link
[12:42:54] are you using PageImages?
[12:43:21] actually nevermind, may be misunderstanding how it works
[12:43:36] don’t wanna give bad advice
[12:45:07] No
[12:45:12] Should i turn on it?
[12:45:37] i’m not sure, wait for someone else to respond because i think i was about to give you the wrong advice
[12:47:39] is that the wiki logo? <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792>
[12:47:55] Yeah
[12:48:02] That page have a image on it
[12:51:37] the only thing I know of that controls that is indeed PageImages, idk where that logo is from then <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792>
[12:54:14] that extension could help, but it's also very finnicky
[13:00:16] WikiSEO probably
[13:02:16] [1/3] Manage this wiki's additional setting -> SEO tab
[13:02:17] [2/3] check the "use logo as fallback image" or something setting
[13:02:17] [3/3] if the image isn't explicitly listed in seo parser function tag, and this setting is enabled, it will use the logo
[13:03:02] oh right, seo
[13:03:10] whether or not it overrides pageimages I don't know, I don't use it as its algorithm of choosing images is rather weird
[13:03:51] for parser function which shall be typed manually or via template on pages, see documentation [[mw:Extensions:WikiSEO]]
[13:03:51] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extensions:WikiSEO
[13:03:52]
[14:09:04] yeah I meant subdomain, sorry. I’ll stick to phab rename for now I think?
[14:09:45] Question, how I implement Mbox to my wiki? I tried but seems like is not implemented and I don't know how to do it
[14:10:30] [1/2] I advice so yeah
[14:10:30] [2/2] hopefully phab backlog will be handled sooner
[14:10:52] I hope so, I just wish I could help even if with smt else yk
[14:10:57] the more help the better
[14:21:42] I know
[14:23:11] what do you mean by mbox exactly?
[14:23:22] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Mbox
[14:26:25] [1/2] import process is same for all templates, you can import from dev wiki w/o files
[14:26:25] [2/2]
[14:29:12] like this?
[14:29:17] This should really be pinned (in addition to the other already existing pin) considering how frequently people ask about these templates.
[14:29:33] yeah
[14:30:40] Thank you!
[14:31:04] np <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711>
[14:35:02] Done
[14:50:47] What do you guys use miraheze for? i mainly use for my fictional country
[14:54:11] What should i do?
[14:54:12] fan wikis
[14:54:15] I used for os mockups wikis
[14:55:02] check Disable Logo Fallback Image (says what it does right there)
[14:58:30] A YouTube manga dub encyclopedia and documentation for a project atm.
[14:59:48] To host a wiki detailing about "Cute Fames Adventure" and the other games
[15:01:15] [1/5] Did you know that are 4 miraheze wikis are discussing about (os and software) mockups, which include:
[15:01:15] [2/5] * Mockupedia (owned by Vladislav Fesko)
[15:01:16] [3/5] * OS Concepts Wiki (fork from Fandom's OS Mockups Wiki back in 2022, both wiki are owned by Spyonclear)
[15:01:16] [4/5] * WNR/NROS Wiki (owned by CompactStar)
[15:01:16] [5/5] * Fictional Computing Wiki
[15:02:59] if you don't plan to set up meta data on the page manually, enable pageimages extension + textextract, or your wiki's link previews gonna be just `.`
[15:03:01] There also some os and software mockups wiki that hosted outside miraheze, which includes: Windows Never Released Wiki, The Mockups Wiki, OS Mockups Wiki, OSMWiki (closed), etc.
[15:04:50] I have already enabled both of extensions
[15:23:03] Anyone know the parameter for changing a spoiler button text? The [[m:Extention:Spoilers]] page just used parser functions not
[15:23:03] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Extention:Spoilers
[15:23:04]
[15:23:30] Wrong wiki
[17:32:32]
[18:43:00] sitenotice should renew after edit?
[18:44:48] [1/2] it doesn't seem to appear again (I dismissed it prevously too)
[18:44:49] [2/2] when logged it shows new text on some page, and on others the old text
[19:13:55] No
[19:14:05] There's an ID too
[19:21:02] sigh
[19:34:38] WikiMedia did a thing it seems https://doc.wikimedia.org/codex/latest/
[19:35:49] They did do a thing
[19:35:55] Looks exactly the same as OOUI
[19:37:10] Also there seems to be no documentation for using it in extensions.
[19:37:15] Not familiar with OOUI(or know what it is😔
[19:38:24] OOUI is the current MediaWiki library used for visual components (such as the Request Wiki form)
[19:40:56] so there's no difference or it's the same thing?
[19:41:28] Ah
[19:41:52] Ic
[19:42:08] There is a difference under the hood, Codex uses Vue, but it looks pretty much the same from what I can see at first glance.
[20:53:21] <_ar1a024> How do I fix this
[20:53:29] <_ar1a024> This just suddenly happened as of recently
[20:53:35] wait a sec
[20:54:01] [1/4] here's an example
[20:54:01] [2/4] `figure, figcaption {
[20:54:01] [3/4] border: none !important;
[20:54:02] [4/4] background: transparent !important; }`
[20:54:43] reason - after mediawiki update thumb images have changed elements (from `div` to `figure`)
[22:06:17] [1/5] adding on to that, you can specifically target certain types of images like this too:
[22:06:18] [2/5] `figure[typeof~='mw:File/Thumb'] {
[22:06:18] [3/5] }`
[22:06:18] [4/5] this above would only affect files specifically marked as thumbnails, aka `[[File:X.png|thumb]]` & etc. the same code works for Frameless too for example, just by changing "thumb" to "frameless", so on and so forth.
[22:06:18] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:X.png
[22:06:18] [5/5] if more targeted css is necessary, that is}}}