[00:35:56] <.yowin> Question, y'all are talking about the "Cosmos" skin but I don't have it in my skin list, is that normal ? [00:39:53] go to manage this wiki's extensions and go into the skins tab [00:40:02] and they check off the box that says cosmos [00:40:05] and then it will appear [00:41:04] <.yowin> Oh it was hidden here, thanks a lot [02:00:45] Hello [02:01:19] What os the problema with the use of Commons's images? [03:06:55] ^Same, suddlenly common's images not working anymore [04:04:48] what are these alerts called (the stuff at the top of wiki pages [05:01:00] they're templates, but i guess if you needed a name you could call them headers [05:03:16] <﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽> wikipedia calls them headers. [05:05:43] Those are specifically messageboxes though. The exact template used for that message box is Template:Ombox, belonging to the Mbox family of templates built on Module:Message box. [05:15:48] Is it possible to do a wiki import without a wiki request or do I need to request a wiki first? [05:32:41] why arent wikimedia commons images loading on my wiki [05:32:47] i have them enabled [06:00:09] You can't import without a wiki [06:04:35] Fair, I need to get all the images downloaded first 🥲 [06:07:59] image import is easy, only XML (aka text) one is hard [06:08:48] as if your xml is too big, you can't using the import tool and have to do phab request [06:09:15] for images, you can use the upload tool on github [06:11:18] No, I lost all of my images because the SSD I had it on died so I had to buy a new SSD [06:11:39] And I don't have online backups for them other than the one on the fndm one lol [06:12:23] thank you (and to everyone else who replied) for the reassurance, that does help! sorry for my admittedly panicked understanding of the dormancy rule, that was on me as my personal anxieties coming through ^^;; [06:31:03] <_terbo> 👋 [06:35:38] by a chance, do you also get a time out error when hitting preview in editor, on page w/ wikimedia files? [06:37:40] Having the same issue [06:37:54] It shows blank page [06:38:02] like as if the file doesn't exist [06:38:07] Red text [06:39:24] [1/2] reopened the task [06:39:25] [2/2] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T11384 [06:39:46] @orduin while you are here [06:40:19] that's not what I meant but okay, probably different issue for me [07:07:17] Late but is there anyone I can ask about the dormancy policy in general? [07:07:24] As in any dedicated staff towards it [07:08:12] The dormacy policy stated that you're exempt from getting your page nuked after 2 months of inactivity if you have enough data [07:08:30] But there's not a clear definition of data required [07:12:17] Indeed there's no definition but as long as your wiki is somewhat "complete", it should be easy to pass the dormacy policy. [07:15:10] Oh, I mean pass the exempt [07:15:22] That's a tough one, my wiki doesn’t have a clear goal in mind so there's never an end, but if I count the planned amount of pages I have so far [07:15:30] Its about 40% done, 25 pages [07:16:10] 25 pages aren't that tough [07:16:54] It took me 2 years cuz of the content behind each page lul, but I assume in this current stage its nowhere near being complete [07:17:25] Wait, how long is the content inside each page? [07:17:28] 🤔 [07:18:26] There are some exceptions that can fail the exemption such as too little content [07:19:19] Unless that 25-50 pages can make a book then unfortunately it's kinda hard to pass [07:21:21] Like really long in some, its kind of like several sheets of writing [07:21:34] Around 12-120 kb per if that means anything [07:23:12] 120kb is kinda a lot [07:23:36] If it is mostly raw text and not much codes [07:24:03] There's a lot of repetitive code [07:24:12] But the whole page itself is also just long in general [07:29:20] But anyways yeah was wondering if there's staff or anyone in general that knows more about this [07:31:54] @etherealtraveller it's generally a case of would this be of benefit in future or is there a valid reason it might not be edited for a bit [07:32:03] It's a fairly low bar [07:32:21] But what is your wiki about? Why is it unlikely to be edited for 2 months? [07:34:01] Its an encyclopedia/hub where fan ideas for a game is documented so people can research and make their own fan ideas or have a space to discuss about what the community made [07:34:36] The project was started by me and I've been writing alone for 2 years now, and sometimes I go on hiatuses to prevent burn out or if real life affairs come first [07:34:55] My longest hiatus being a 4 month break [07:36:29] @etherealtraveller if you think you might away for longer than the 2 months, that's a valid reason [07:37:32] Like just saying you get busy with school or uni or something so sometimes go awhile without editing but there's a significant amount you could loose if it got deleted on the request [07:37:52] If you've spent 2 years developing the wiki, I see no reason to refuse the request [07:40:37] The wiki was developed in the main game sub back then you see [07:41:02] I only moved to Miraheze since yesterday cuz the main game wiki was cracking down on excessive user pages that are going too off topic [07:41:43] And fair enough, might be best to just edit once every 2 months at least even if I'm on a hiatus [07:46:20] <_terbo> whats happening here [07:46:53] wdym? [07:47:27] we are in Miraheze support discord [07:47:43] <_terbo> yes i know [07:50:41] I was asking about how the dormancy policy exception works [08:08:08] <_terbo, replying to etherealtraveller> ah alright [08:08:18] <_terbo> i mean id think you can just make a miniscule edit every month and be fine [08:08:27] <_terbo> even then im sure theres appeals or whatnot [08:08:33] <_terbo> i dont think theyd just give you the finger and delete it all [08:14:53] Hm good to hear [08:14:56] Ty all [08:30:21] is there a way to see the list of users in my wiki and/or to see the number of edits each user has made? [08:32:35] never mind, just found out Special:UserList is a thing [08:40:06] I'm seeing the same issue. Some images work and some do not. `?action=purge` did not help. [08:54:21] Random question [08:54:41] Do Miraheze wikis show up on the search bar like any other wiki [08:55:08] Just realized how I have to build up website/page traffic from scratch again [08:55:58] if you mean google and the likes [08:56:16] [[User:NotAracham/WikiSEO - Improving Search Ranking]] [08:56:16] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/WikiSEO_-_Improving_Search_Ranking [08:56:16]

[09:00:17] Tyvm [09:01:32] <_terbo, replying to etherealtraveller> I mean that's kinda based on assumption [09:01:36] <_terbo> Miraheze seems respectable [09:01:54] <_terbo> I doubt theyd do something like deleting a wiki without any sort of back-up or appeal [09:01:58] <_terbo> Assuming they even do [09:02:36] There's a whole process from what I saw so there's still a warning before the page is nuked [09:02:47] I just want to eventually get that worry out of the way [09:03:43] But it seems like there's no clear set number to the amount of content so I probably need to revisit the page periodically [09:05:38] [1/2] it takes about 60 days of inactivity to get closed/marked for deletion, and after that about 120? days to get fully deleted [09:05:39] [2/2] between closure and deletion you can just re open wiki and make an edit [09:06:03] Yeah at least Miraheze notifies you so that's nice [09:06:22] But in general I hope I don't go through a long hiatus again [09:30:31] And I believe even then the 120 is just the earliest they will delete a wiki. The actual drop happens in batches from time to time, I think, so even after there might still be a chance, but not guarantee that the wiki still exist in the database. I could be wrong though on that [09:33:04] Best to not push boundaries imo [09:33:24] For me at least I legit have to resort to Github with my non existent HTML skills as a plan C [09:33:37] And that might as well as spell the end of my project [10:13:25] <_terbo, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> ^ [10:13:40] <_terbo> Idk why I used ^ [10:14:23] <_terbo> But yeah the chances of you losing your entire wiki is very very low [10:14:40] <_terbo> All you'd have to do is minor edit or even just tell the staff I think that you won't be available for (X) amount of time [10:20:09] <_terbo> Is there a way to see submitted requests for wikis [10:21:10] [[Special:RequestWikiQueue]] [10:21:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue [10:21:11]

[10:21:57] even on Meta lol [10:23:25] <_terbo> Ok cool I'm not far on the queue [10:23:40] <_terbo> How fast does it move? I wouldn't think it's that slow once the train starts rolling tbh [10:24:26] depends on wiki creator volunteers [10:24:31] who is avalaible [10:24:45] My wiki took 5.5 hours [10:24:46] doesn't take more than 5 hours for sure [10:25:00] ok, doesn't take more than a day xd [10:25:07] It probably would be even faster but I made a small mistake [10:25:36] If you're lucky <5 hours is doable [10:26:57] <_terbo> Oh that's fine I suppose I just wanted to make sure it was, in fact, on there [10:27:05] if you have an auto deploy tool, you can deploy it less than a minute (the XML file) [10:27:11] <_terbo> Are joke wikis allowed so I know I didn't waste my time? [10:27:24] Yes [10:27:29] <_terbo> Sweet [10:27:33] <_terbo> It doesn't mock anyone or anythin [10:27:35] <_terbo> Well [10:27:52] <_terbo> It semi-mocks a community of the same name that spiralled into seriousness [10:28:27] <_terbo> So this is like a repeat but actually taking it as a fun joke rather than something serious [10:29:10] yeah [10:29:38] are we need "(real wiki page for newcomers)" text for the page name? [10:29:43] Will it be a change of scope if I included Vyond articles (which uses similar themes) on my YouTube manga dub channels? [10:29:57] fjattar, another admin on mockupedia moved that page to this title [10:30:01] <_terbo> [1/2] Oh yeah and the original was on Fandom. [10:30:01] <_terbo> [2/2] You can guess why I don't want to use that. [10:30:15] <_terbo> Anyways, here's an advertisement! [10:30:35] [1/2] i had reverted but he renamed that to Fjattar (real wiki page for newcomers) name again [10:30:36] [2/2] (the origrinal title of that page is Fjattar tho) [10:30:49] and yeah i'm also admin on mockupedia [10:32:18] what the point of this specification tho? I honestly can't see it [10:37:02] admin abuse, he literally blocked with subjective reasons [10:37:46] is blocking user because the user is an enemy of that user is allowed even when they don't contributed to that wiki? [10:41:55] he's blocking you? [10:42:16] wikis should have local rules for such cases [10:42:53] disputes [10:43:44] no [10:43:52] but he's blocking his enemies [10:44:34] i'll revise the mockupedia rules in the future [10:44:35] that's all weird man [10:45:31] should we need to rename to just "Fjattar"? [10:49:31] [1/2] it's your wiki [10:49:31] [2/2] but I'd say yes and would try to explain that there is no logical reason to have ... this [10:49:51] If you are admin check the rules pages. Should be on Namespace 4 (project) or on Help. [10:50:19] If not, talk with admin and write the policies on ns-4 project [10:50:21] if you are both bureaucrats you can't demote each others btw [10:53:29] <_terbo, replying to holocraft> judging from this alone it looks like some nerd is blocking people for defending someone else?? [10:53:45] <_terbo> i mean at the end of the day if its your wiki you can do whatever youd like as long as it fits within the rules i would think [10:53:51] i'm admin, i ain't owner of that wiki [10:53:55] <_terbo> ohh [10:53:58] <_terbo> well idk [10:54:23] <_terbo, replying to holocraft> so basically someone is blocking/punishing people based on personal views? [10:54:31] i dm messaged to wiki owner in order to get bureaucrat role, so i can demote him [10:54:37] yeah [10:54:47] <_terbo> what does blocking do exactly [10:54:51] <_terbo> im guessing its not just a user to user thing [10:54:58] <_terbo> blocking sounds like its a bigger deal for wikis than just that [10:55:02] <_terbo> by the way you describe it [10:55:03] Windo7 is ChromaticAeternus' helper [10:55:18] but Fjattar hates that so he blocked it [10:55:26] <_terbo> what is "blocking" in this context [10:55:27] well, in fact nobody "owns" wiki [10:55:37] <_terbo, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> except the person who made it originally i would think [10:55:41] <_terbo> i get your point though [10:55:50] Vladislav Fesko is owner of Mockupedia, but he's inactive on that wiki [10:56:09] so i decided to contributed to mockupedia, 1 month ago [10:56:25] and boosted the number articles from 89 to 141 [10:56:33] [1/2] there used to be founder badge on fandom but even then it was removed w/ mw updates [10:56:34] [2/2] there never was any kind of real "founder" role [10:57:19] if that guy is bureaucrat you can't demote him, only miraheze stewards can [10:57:26] <_terbo, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> what i mean is like [10:57:32] <_terbo> i assume if someone made the wiki first they get a sort of [10:57:33] <_terbo> final verdict [10:57:37] ideally wikis should have voting and stuff [10:57:51] what I just said [10:58:03] Fjattar is an admin btw [10:58:15] and i'm also an admin, so i can't demote him [10:58:27] we on Miraheze have discussions, elections, etc, as community should be involved [10:58:47] otherwise you get what fandom has [10:59:15] there are only one bureaucrat on Mockupedia, which is Vladislav Fesko [10:59:21] it depends on the size of the wiki ofc [10:59:29] as well [10:59:35] <_terbo> probably a dumb question but while i do have scripting knowledge i should probably get ahead of the curve before i even start a wiki, where's a good place to start for learning how it works? [10:59:43] but I'd never say that founder has to have the last word [10:59:51] so, may i sent a discord server link to ask with my fandom? [11:00:01] i have one, but not mockupedia server [11:00:12] ideally community votes and all that but in practice for smaller projects, the founder is also often the biggest contributor and is going to have a lot of sway in any voting stuff [11:00:33] [1/2] [[mw:Help:Formatting]] [11:00:33] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting [11:00:34] [2/2] and other pages on mediawiki.org [11:00:34]

[11:00:37] we need Arbitration between OS Mockups Creators and Miraheze Volunteers [11:00:55] <_terbo> i guess the concern is if the founder makes a wiki with a specific vision in mind what happens when the greater majority doesnt understand the wiki well enough but has the majority vote [11:01:03] <_terbo, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> thank you!! [11:01:29] do i need to send a server link that fjattar has joined to? [11:01:46] why? [11:01:49] I don't understand [11:03:21] I'll give you a server so you can chat with him (Fjattar) [11:03:39] <_terbo> i assume theres a way to make CSS that affects the entire website no [11:04:45] why me? [11:04:52] I'm not a stewards [11:05:03] and I'm still confused w/ your case [11:05:15] I only gave you suggestions [11:05:35] yes, the page MediaWiki:Common.css affects everything (except mobile), there are also specific ones per skin and for mobile [11:05:41] oh [11:07:37] <_terbo, replying to chimecrime> right [11:07:39] <_terbo> oh god i rememberd mobile exists [11:07:42] <_terbo> mobile is a pain to get right [11:10:54] If you use a universal skin, the common.css will apply to both PC and mobile [11:11:04] <_terbo, replying to max20091> proportions in question [11:11:23] <_terbo> how similar is this to Fandom? excluding the abysmal amount of limitations and advertisement [11:11:28] <_terbo> i assume similar because its both MediaWiki [11:11:41] You have 0 limitations [11:11:42] <_terbo> im just more experienced with fandom but they've kind of shot their platform in the foot [11:11:47] <_terbo, replying to max20091> i know that much [11:11:50] Beside mobile hardware limit [11:11:58] <_terbo> <:Troll:1016431373969535029> [11:12:32] my advice - use mobile adaptive skins like timeless or cosmos, as the main skin of the wiki, so you won't need mobile frontend extension [11:12:44] Fandom is actually 2 skins, same with the Mobile Frontend method [11:12:56] <_terbo, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> where can you get these, although i havent even gotten my wiki accepted yet so i probably wont be able to do it rn [11:13:13]