[00:01:43] this is my infobox is it padding i want to make the text a bit farther in? [00:01:52] i find that where it says no title on the bottom it's too close [00:03:02] more in depth to help w/ my question [00:03:17] the no title no information is row 1 [00:29:52] yeah i take it back softcell and gogiant exist what the fu- [00:31:16] padding creates extra space on the item, margin is what moves it [00:31:37] 🫡 legroom i have no idea what devil you bargained with for these god css powers but keep up the good work [00:32:48] i think im doing this wrong because i was trying to use margins to move the text but its not working [00:38:29] [1/3] Hi... Wanted to know if it was worth it to create wikis on Miraheze for old games? I know Fandom Wiki for old Flash games I like are empty, but instead of writing on the now quirky platform, thought I could write on Miraheze instead. [00:38:29] [2/3] In other words, I don't know if A) the platform is known enough and B) if people would come to the wiki [00:38:29] [3/3] Just asking before starting any big project [00:38:58] Thanks in advance for answering, I know this is long and may be confusing, so I can develop more if it's unclear [00:40:40] your wiki will be indexed by search engines, so if you have content and people search for it, they will come yeah [00:41:22] Does the login wiki not have any list of templates and user boxes? [00:43:23] so it brings the other question as to "where to start" I guess... starting from scratch, there is so much to cover 😓 [00:43:33] out of curiosity are you doing a specific game or many games? [00:43:52] I don't know which one I'll start with, but I've noted two or three that I'd like to do [00:44:06] oh thats cool! id def give it some traffic if u start it [00:44:15] i have a soft spot for run 2 and flash flight simulator [00:44:50] the only thing is that I guess I'll have to play these games to get screenshots and info [00:44:53] I believe it has some [00:45:23] i believe there are ways to play flash games still i just dont recall how [00:45:46] the problem isn't to play games, I have an emulator, but I'm just saying that it's mandatory [00:45:53] Search for remake/remaster of those games [00:46:12] yeah or that [00:47:18] im gonna dm the game this works [00:47:31] ? [00:48:30] i want u to see the game i like thats flash 😄 [01:01:34] hey all, is there a way to see all the created articles in a wiki? [01:05:13] Yea [01:05:26] try Special:AllPages or Special:NewPages [01:24:46] Is it possible to transclude your login wiki page on a local wiki to have the global plus local content? [01:25:16] i wanna have my global page plus some boxes i made bout user rights on that wiki [01:26:01] Transcluding [:mh:login:User:PixDeVl] just wiki linked [01:31:19] Try using the interwiki prefix `loginwiki` instead of `mh:login` [01:31:40] pixldev: No, MirahezeMagic pseudo-interwiki wikilinks don't transclude. You would have to use an actual interwiki wikilink, `loginwiki:` [01:32:00] …oooooooh [01:32:03] square brain [01:32:11] thanks void and dmehus [01:32:18] It's global, so accessible on all wikis. However, that's a Global User Page, so is automatically transcluded on all wikis where no local user page exists [01:32:23] np at all, pixldev :) [01:32:46] orduin: jinx :P [01:33:05] Well this is a first, don’t think I’ve seena transclution give me a 404 [01:33:17] hrm [01:33:24] there we go [01:33:28] ah [01:33:31] forgot the : in front [01:33:36] could've just been a fetch error or something [01:33:44] yeah, that would do it, too [01:34:03] Hm, looks lime babel box colors dont carry [01:34:32] I don't think they will? Scary transclusion doesn't work with Lua modules [01:34:40] or where the Babel extension is not enabled [01:34:55] hey least they work [01:35:01] (one of the two or both) [01:35:02] yeah [01:35:05] a fine trade off [01:35:14] yep [01:36:07] back to browsing Wikipedias inhuman list of Userboxes [01:36:20] idk if we have a policy for adding boxes to login [01:37:18] ~~why is there a programming userbox for TI-Basic and Brainfuck<< [02:00:24] is it possible to take a wikis name? [02:00:29] theres an inactive wiki that i want the name of [02:00:46] Yes [02:00:47] and it hasnt been edited in over some time (past the wiki expiration date) [02:00:50] how can i do that [02:01:02] request on meta or phab [02:02:01] awesome, thabks [02:02:11] whats the link ? [02:03:43] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_noticeboard [02:04:10] ty [02:25:01] is it allowed to have articles or pages to include something like the banned german symbol? the context is crazy its about detailing the war of a worldbuilding we did and it involved a multiversal hitler empire and killed him, but the drawing about it didn't really showed like it was him and the artist wanted to add the symbol to make it obvious [02:30:13] Yea, you are allowed to use the banned german symbol in UK and US in case of MH moving to new location [02:30:51] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols [04:12:14] and even then [04:19:22] how do you replace page titles with images [04:19:48] You shouldn't [04:20:35] why [04:21:41] It's impossible to navigate to and wouldn't make any sense to a reader [04:22:18] wdym impossible to navigate to [04:22:27] the real page name would be the same [04:22:36] as if `{{DISPLAYTITLE}}` was being used [04:22:36] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:DISPLAYTITLE [04:22:51] i'm creating a page for a game, and want to use the game's logo as the title [04:22:54] Displaytitle is still text [04:22:58] yeah [04:23:00] Images aren't text [04:23:03] so i need another solution [04:23:13] Some use custom fonts [04:23:19] still not good form for navigation [04:23:35] screen readers or image load failure will negatively impact the experience [04:23:45] can't you have alt text though [04:23:55] That's something that would be much better for an infobox header and not a page title [04:24:19] okay but I insist [04:24:45] sigh [04:25:08] you could probably forcibly float the image over it with positioning, but I'm not sure if that would translate depending on screen size or mobile [04:26:05] but really there's no way to use not-text for the title [04:27:40] how might've this title been achieved? [04:27:43] afaik it works fine on mobile [04:28:09] and the official title is still `{{DISPLAYTITLE:''Phantom Blood''}}` [04:28:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/DISPLAYTITLE:Template:%27%27Phantom_Blood%27%27 [04:28:14] maybe it's CSS? [04:28:19] its probably a custom font [04:28:22] give me a second [04:28:28] it's an image [04:28:55] oh [04:29:05] it might be a `bg-image` thing [04:30:46] god this wikis is slow [04:31:15] see / [04:32:05] you know what no that does the icon [04:32:32] one must imagine its the same process [04:34:11] [1/12] found it—it's in their common.css page [04:34:11] [2/12] ```.page-Phantom_Blood:not(.action-history):not(.action-edit) .firstHeading i { [04:34:12] [3/12] opacity: 1 !important; [04:34:12] [4/12] background-image: url(https://static.jojowiki.com/images/b/b4/Phantom_Blood_Logo.png); [04:34:12] [5/12] width: 90%; [04:34:12] [6/12] height: 75px; [04:34:13] [7/12] background-size: 30%; [04:34:13] [8/12] color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0) !important; [04:34:13] [9/12] background-repeat: no-repeat; [04:34:14] [10/12] background-position: left !important; [04:34:14] [11/12] display: inline-block; [04:34:15] [12/12] }``` [04:34:34] huh that's interesting [04:34:38] basically seems like they force the image to overlay the text and try to forcibly hide the text by making it transparent [04:34:40] `.page-page_name` [04:35:05] I cannot stress enough how Not Friendly this is for the end user [04:35:49] I'll use it anyway <:nomChocoStrawberry:938647184973365318> [04:35:53] but thank you for the help and warning [04:36:40] my wiki is also JoJo-related, so if the JoJoWiki uses it, I'll have no guilt using it too [04:38:04] So I presumed lol [05:34:29] does Miraheze not support widgets [05:34:59] or am i just misunderstanding widgets [05:36:42] What happened to the RPG Maker Wiki? I thought I edited the wiki recently? [05:54:26] It was removed ages ago due to repeated instances of severe security vulnerabilities. There's some details available here: [05:55:48] oh ok [05:55:49] tq [06:18:24] naw, PTW styling is fully under SKL's wings now, I only did initial stuff on their Vector, and my shit is pretty modest overall, I've seen more streamlined wiki restylings [07:08:57] anyone getting slow loading or unusual time outs? [07:10:28] [1/2] my android firefox fails at this particular page, while chrome is just slow on load [07:10:29] [2/2] [07:11:18] @theoneandonlylegroom general or VE [07:14:18] just general, viewing [07:14:52] Hmm [07:15:47] maybe something w/ my network, if there are no problems for other users [07:29:50] [1/24] ```NewPP limit report [07:29:50] Nah it's slow for me [07:29:50] [2/24] Parsed by mw131 [07:29:51] [3/24] Cached time: 20231109174916 [07:29:51] [4/24] Cache expiry: 864000 [07:29:51] [5/24] Reduced expiry: false [07:29:51] [6/24] Complications: [show‐toc, no‐toc‐conversion] [07:29:52] [7/24] CPU time usage: 1.457 seconds [07:29:52] [8/24] Real time usage: 6.489 seconds [07:29:52] [9/24] Preprocessor visited node count: 6906/1000000 [07:29:53] [10/24] Post‐expand include size: 150314/2097152 bytes [07:29:53] [11/24] Template argument size: 83099/2097152 bytes [07:29:54] [12/24] Highest expansion depth: 6/100 [07:29:54] [13/24] Expensive parser function count: 0/99 [07:29:55] [14/24] Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 [07:29:55] [15/24] Unstrip post‐expand size: 287392/5000000 bytes [07:29:56] [16/24] --> [07:29:56] [17/24] ``` [07:30:00] [24/24] extremely slow for me. [07:30:05] Does this page have a lot of audio on it? Looks like that may be the case [07:40:20] well it does but it never was the case before [07:40:27] loaded just fine everywhere [07:41:22] is there a way to force `Common.css` changes to appyl [07:41:32] purge cache [07:41:47] i've tried doing that by loading with F5 (Opera) [07:41:52] unless there's another way? [07:41:59] that's another thing [07:42:35] there's "Purge" button in dropdown near "Edit", or add `?action=purge` in URL [07:42:49] oh that's what purge does [07:42:52] i thought it clears a page [07:43:12] that's an extremely unwanted thing to do lol [07:43:48] alr well, I did that [07:43:50] but no dice [07:43:57] then wait [07:44:26] it's just that it's a lot harder to customise a wiki when the changed take over 24 hours to apply [07:45:08] it shouldn't take this long [07:45:15] that's my concern, yeah [07:45:24] rhinos, is this related to #tech-community ? [07:45:24] happened last time too [07:47:58] @theoneandonlylegroom it shouldn't impact the processing of other jobs [07:48:18] Only VE should be affected by additional caching [07:49:22] Something is going differently wrong though with jobs [07:57:21] you may somewhat regardless want to look into having a form of media loader. It may help reduce load time overall but specifically here. Could also be a caching issue in general [07:59:45] I sadly lack knowledge on media loader and will need guidance [08:03:44] I know Inkipedia uses one. I'll look into that more at some point when I have time...which is probably next week. [08:49:40] I'll try to check [08:50:13] seems like my surgery won't be happening, I'm still sick and can't postpone it endlessly [09:08:14] Fuck. Hope you heal or get better soon [09:08:41] thanks [10:57:16] slap `!important` on it, and it if still doesn't work, likely your code is wrong [10:58:13] you can check in inspect if it's actually in there [11:01:09] and dang, I hope your situation improves [11:27:13] I can relate to that situation entirely that sucks [13:21:19] im gonna bump this because it got lost in chat im trying to figure out where to put the padding or margin in the code to make text a bit more to the right [13:27:48] [1/17] i'm still not seeing any changes... [13:27:49] [2/17] this is my code, and i don't think it's wrong [13:27:49] [3/17] ```css [13:27:49] [4/17] @font-face { [13:27:49] [5/17] font-family: 'Roboto', sans-serif; [13:27:50] [6/17] src: url('https://fonts.googleapis.com/css2?family=Roboto&display=swap'); [13:27:50] [7/17] } [13:27:50] [8/17] .mw-body-content { [13:27:51] [9/17] font-family: 'Roboto', sans-serif; [13:27:51] [10/17] } [13:27:51] [11/17] .portable-infobox { [13:27:52] [12/17] width: 300px; [13:27:52] [13/17] } [13:27:53] [14/17] .portable-infobox.pi-title { [13:27:53] [15/17] text-align: center !important; [13:27:54] [16/17] } [13:27:54] [17/17] ``` [13:28:59] i've tested with the `!important` tag for both `.mw-body-content` and `.pi-title`, but no difference [13:29:10] tested with purging and everything [13:39:12] the width is something you need to important, and the title is `.portable-infobox .pi-title` with a space [13:40:50] still nothing, but i'll give it a few minutes [13:43:27] [1/6] yeah, padding value can be specified like `padding-left`, or have 1-4 values in just `padding` [13:43:27] [2/6] since you're making a table I advise to create a class w/ needed values then insert it in cells, instead of adding inline styling several times, for example [13:43:27] [3/6] `.ib-label { [13:43:28] [4/6] padding: 3px 5px 7px 10px; }` [13:43:28] [5/6] then in the cell [13:43:28] [6/6] `| class="ib-label"| '''{{{Row ...` [13:49:28] where do I create a class? [13:49:37] like within the template? [13:54:01] in the example, `.ib-label` part would go into commons.css and the thing below it in the template itself [13:56:51] out of interest, how does Miraheze compare to wiki.gg? [13:57:03] i don't plan on switching, but i'm curious anyway [14:02:40] first difference is the scop - only gaming wikis are allowed on wiki.gg [14:03:05] second is ads, ofc, but they are by far more normal than on fandom [14:03:31] as for the rest, from my experience, it's much more limited functionality wise [14:05:26] there's only vector, no mobile mode (so mobile compability has to be achieved w/ loads of css/js), the set of available extensions is also smaller, like there are no comments or discussion tools [14:05:52] I don't know whether they will add more extensions or no [14:06:17] but another difference is that you are also limited in control over the wiki, it's almost like on fandom [14:06:41] I haven't witnessed Gamepedia in its heydays, but I guess they were like that too [14:07:03] to enable additional extension or appoint new sysop you have to ask staff [14:07:16] bureaucrat role is reserved for them [14:09:11] there's no some kind of admin dashboard like Fandom has or like our ManageWiki [14:09:19] everything goes through staff [14:10:25] Also terraria wiki keeps crashing the whole platform and all they keep saying is "it happens sometimes" [14:10:35] fr? damn [14:11:02] Yeah its everytime a cargo template gets edited. [14:11:27] I knew it must be cargo lol [14:13:03] [1/2] another small difference is interwiki table [14:13:03] [2/2] on Mira we have interwiki admins who act like moderators, but on wiki.gg sysop can edit the table by themselves (and mw and w aren't available by default, which was a surprise for me) [14:15:39] and also SEO, staff does it by themselves, unlike us on Mira [14:16:00] I suppose it's more effective thanks to ads too [14:16:20] but you can't have search console access, only google analytics [14:16:54] meanwhile google analytics aren't allowed on Mira, because privacy concerns + no ads [14:28:44] there was the page that i made an css rule for edit source and hide all is that where i did it? admittedly i forgot haha [14:29:44] i do not remember where to find it [14:30:19] nvm [14:30:29] MediaWiki:Common.css [14:31:54] i got it in the mediawiki common im just trying to figure out where I place this [14:32:47] i got the text to disappear in with this code [14:33:17] but idk what to do now [14:38:46] why is Terraria even using it? [14:38:53] can't they host their own server [14:42:36] I think their admins are actual wiki.gg staff [14:43:01] and also were on Gamepedia [14:43:13] at least one of them for sure [14:44:15] which reminded me of how that fandom star dude ominously replied to the fact that wiki.gg head still had admin right on fandom Terraria Wiki lol [14:44:59] I left wiki.gg as I got very busy w/ my own migration, I stepped out of helping Sugary Spire Wiki [14:46:57] folks of SSW also proved to be very disorganized comparing to PTW, it was difficult for me to held dialogue w/ them [14:48:25] I needed to unload my brain [15:06:48] Re-Logic or the previous wiki admin? [15:07:31] I don't know [16:46:13] Where can I see my request for a wiki? I submitted but I want to see if it got accepted [16:50:41] nvm found it [16:54:40] Hi, Can i filter `Special:ShortPages` for namespace or do any filter or do i have to search through it to find pages? [17:06:33] I got the css working and im able to move the titles in each row further from the border, but now it's a bit higher than the info text. I even tried changing the css so its padding left and not just padding in general. what should I do to fix this? [17:07:09] What it the fix that you seek? [17:08:49] im trying to move the bottom no title down a pixel or two so it lines up to where it says no information [17:09:36] did you inspected it with the browser? [17:10:27] i am doing inspect element rn but i dont see anything extra there that could push it up [17:10:57] Check if there's no extra styling there in the inspector, for example applied by bold/stronf [17:11:20] Could you link the page? [17:11:21] the no title is bold but i dont see how that could cause it [17:11:22] sure [17:11:38] https://wagymnastics.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox&stable=0 [17:11:46] here is my css too https://wagymnastics.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [17:12:54] its also only padding for row 1 and not any other row im unsure where to put the padding for all other rows [17:17:38] ok so, in my browser the padding is actually not there [17:17:51] if you use padding-left, you need to use one value [17:18:16] that's what I found in the inspector btw ^ that's why we recommended to check the with inspector first [17:18:46] ohh so in css i should choose just one of the pixels [17:19:57] what did you intend with the multiple values here? [17:20:37] idk i just copied what was in the response to me here before [17:20:50] i made it just 5px now tho its still not working [17:21:19] just pick one value yeah ^^ [17:21:30] Common.css can take a while to update [17:21:40] oh ok [17:21:41] hard refreshing can help but it's never really instant [17:22:15] in the css page on my site tho the px is red thats not good right? [17:22:45] No, that's syntax highlighting. You can see there are also green and blue colored parts in your css [17:22:53] it's to make it more readable [17:23:07] ah [17:23:33] by the way, you can plug "width: 30px" into Common.css too. This way all you have to specify in the template for the label is the class [17:23:45] Of course if you wanted all your labels to be 30% wide [17:24:58] [1/3] is better to use the "padding" only and do four numbers. The ones you don't want, keep it at zero. [17:24:58] [2/3] For example 0px 1px 0px 0px. [17:24:58] [3/3] If you use tag with only one value, like "padding-left" you need to add another tag if you want to add another pad or change the tag [17:25:30] not really, it depends on the situation. padding-left is the easiest and most understandable in this situation [17:25:36] other padding is 0 by default [17:25:53] if is simple yes. I usually want to state all the pads [17:25:56] it seems its still not refreshing because there is no 5px changes happening [17:26:09] everything should be set for it to be 5px padding left tho [17:26:40] I can see it already. Try doing a hard refresh in your browser (Shift+refresh in Chrome) [17:27:00] that's from inspecting your infobox page [17:27:10] which means the style is already in action [17:30:51] by the way, if you can find this style in the inspector yourself, you can tweak the vaule and see the results in real time. This is temporary and will go away after a page refresh, but this way you cand find the right value to paste into Common.css if you want to change the padding value. [17:47:14] oh cool! thanks [17:49:54] yay it all works now (except the padding only applies to row 1) [17:51:02] it only applies to it because the class= in the template is only in that row, put it on the other rows also [17:55:43] Or put it at the start of the table to say "apply to all table" [17:57:17] it would just pad the table then <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [17:58:03] maybe. I'm not visualizing it [18:00:13] yeah, need to put in cells [18:00:57] also idk if you made `border-collapse: collapse;`, this might be handy w/ visible borders [18:13:28] i am trying but everywhere i put it seems to be wrong [18:29:52] put it in the line above the rows [18:59:43] i copied that in but for some reason the rows after row 1 in my test page still dont show up it doesnt know how to act haha [19:10:58] this edit was fine though? [20:16:27] yes i put it in there. but when i go to my test page, still only row 1 shows [20:26:52] are you talking about the template page? [20:29:13] since only one row will show by default without info, and that's part of the template. you did put an extra {{!}} in row 3 though [20:29:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:! [20:31:31] @theredhead43 just replace your template with this, I put the classes in [20:33:06] the entire template? [20:33:19] yeah [20:33:35] ok [20:33:38] i will tell u how it goes rn [20:34:06] ok i put it in the infobox on my test page isnt broken but its still only putting row 1 [20:34:44] expand the message [20:34:51] oh [20:34:52] LMAO [20:35:08] as everyone can see im not good at this lmaooo [20:35:43] i guess ill hard refresh my test page and see if it shows up [20:36:01] gahhhh it still doesnt 😭 [20:36:07] heres the test page if itll be useful https://wagymnastics.miraheze.org/wiki/Faith_Torrez [20:36:30] guess what [20:36:30] the padding shows fine for me [20:36:33] it just decided to work [20:36:34] LMAOOO [20:36:37] lol [20:36:38] i clicked edit source and it worked [20:36:46] tysm lol [20:37:04] is there a css to fix this [20:38:51] [1/3] `.mw-indicators { [20:38:51] [2/3] margin-top: -0.5em [20:38:51] [3/3] }` [20:39:51] put it into commons [20:40:13] ty i meant to say a commons css so perfect [20:57:40] hm [23:26:25] how can i customize the look of main page for everyone on my wiki? [23:34:56] is there somethin wrong wit timeless? [23:35:48] ok now it works [23:53:32] looks like the timeless skin to me! [23:53:59] hey generic i got a question [23:54:24] is this intentional [23:54:39] what is [23:54:43] colors [23:54:53] what about it [23:55:16] miraheze its darker than on inspect [23:55:18] does the hex code say something? [23:55:22] oh [23:55:30] probably not intentional [23:55:43] the color wheel is reversed wth [23:55:56] it's dark mode [23:55:56] i think i did somethin wrong [23:56:00] oh [23:56:28] am i able to change it for dark mode? [23:57:29] [1/2] yeah you can either exclude things or make css specifically for it [23:57:30] [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DarkMode#CSS_customization [23:57:45] ight thx