[00:18:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sleepytail> I've been trying to make a dump back up  for  days  but I can't
[03:04:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> Is there a way to remove the page header for something like the main page?
[03:04:58] <ioniawa>	 hello
[03:05:32] <ioniawa>	 i election a site admin
[03:07:53] <ioniawa>	 Can you take a look at ericliu1912's request and mine (.玛莉亚·花子）,Thanks
[03:08:43] <ioniawa>	 ??
[03:09:19] <ioniawa>	 i am Anticom wiki user
[03:12:26] <ioniawa>	  I'm here to urge you to deal with it as soon as possible.
[03:19:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> How do I add css to a specific page?
[03:48:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ioniawa - this is volunteer run platform, the wiki will be reviewed when a wiki creator volunteer will be able to
[04:26:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Hi! I'm foxstep, a relatively new user to the wiki
[04:28:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> I basically have a wiki on Fandom, and then I found out about all the bad stuff they do with ads and such, and I didn't want my wiki to be associated with it
[04:29:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> I'm mostly here for help because I cannot code for the life of me and Miraheze is open-source 😓
[04:43:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Miraheze being open source means nothing in context of managing a wiki
[04:43:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you'll need to know the usual stuff a wiki admin will need - wiki markup, template coding, basics of HTML/CSS, same stuff as on Fandom and any other wiki
[04:44:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Ooh
[04:44:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Alrighty!
[04:45:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] as for wiki migration check this guide
[04:45:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Moving_a_wiki_to_Miraheze#Moving_from_FANDOM>
[04:45:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Ooh
[04:45:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Okay!
[04:45:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Ill read up while waiting for my wiki to get approved
[04:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Thank you!
[04:46:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also re fandom doing bad stuff - they insist on keep AI quick answers and now will put AI to moderate file uploads (cough tumblr 2019 moderation shitshow cough)
[04:47:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Yep
[04:47:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> That's what I didn't like
[04:47:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> I don't like AI in general
[04:48:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> And it being added to the website I use to promote/archive a niche web-series? Heck no!
[04:48:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Im still watching vids on how bad fandom actually is
[04:49:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> And it's looking bad
[04:51:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> welcome to the club lol
[04:53:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> Heck yea
[04:54:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> <:mirahezelogo:446641749142798339>
[05:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to thebasicperson> Use TemplateStyles extension
[05:26:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> although you won't be able to alter the entire appearance of the page w/ it, only of elements inside article area
[05:56:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> how do I ask for/push an extension setting for ManageWiki in github again?
[06:42:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> [1/4] Fun fact: it is possible to use an interwiki link to go from Wikipedia to any Miraheze wiki!  Wikipedia has an interwiki prefix for wikiindex.org.  Forwarding is turned off, but that only matters if Wikipedia is in the middle of a chain of interwiki links, not the beginning.  Wikiindex has an interwiki link to Miraheze Meta, which crucially has forwarding turned on.  He
[06:42:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> [2/4] nce, you can type something like 
[06:42:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> [3/4] [[Wikiindex:miraheze-meta:mh:pandorastale:Pandora's Tale Wiki|Pandora's Tale Wiki]]
[06:42:11] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikiindex:miraheze-meta:mh:pandorastale:Pandora%27s_Tale_Wiki
[06:42:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> [4/4] To go straight from Wikipedia to your favorite MH wiki.
[08:22:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tomoru1741> How can I use CSS to image?
[09:19:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yorki> does anyone know what can cause the first item in my bullet list looks like this in table?
[09:20:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yorki> it seems fine if there is text above it
[09:37:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you need to start list from new row
[09:38:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] `{|
[09:38:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] * ...`
[10:35:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yorki> ah ic
[12:25:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <username424242424242424242> How to promote someone
[12:28:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to username424242424242424242> click on username, then see "change user right" in sidebar
[12:28:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <username424242424242424242, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> By clicking on username you mean go to their page?
[12:29:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <username424242424242424242> Err i found it
[12:30:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <username424242424242424242> Thank you
[13:06:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> <:squint:755498402346827946>
[15:32:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <CandleSign> [1/3] Hello! I have a couple questions about blocking-
[15:32:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <CandleSign> [2/3] - If a user is blocked from editing on a namespace, does it also block them from translating from it (using the Translate extension)? If it does, is there a workaround to block editing but not translating? (managing user rights doesn't seem usable here since the \* group already has permissions for both)
[15:32:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <CandleSign> [3/3] - If I want to change an existing block, what should I write in the Reason field - should I put the reason for the change, or reiterate the reason for the initial block?
[16:37:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cirom> Any updates on Wiki deletion requests? I've had a request in for over 3 months now and still nothing's come of it
[16:37:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> we are still w/ one steward
[17:39:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> okay so question
[17:40:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Ask: Phabricator
[17:41:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to CandleSign> Reason is displayed to the user. I would cover both.
[17:41:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to lupe1512> if i for example use a person's artwork for my wiki and give them full credit, would it still count as a fair dealing violation? even if my wiki will never be used for commercial purposes?
[17:41:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to rhinosf1> you told me recently it should be on hithub??
[17:41:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> As for translate, I would expect so, never tested it
[17:41:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to lupe1512> same question goes for copyrighted material
[17:41:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> You make the change on github. We raise issues on phab.
[17:42:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to lupe1512> You need to understand both the license and fair dealing law.
[17:42:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> I know
[17:43:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> it says copyright infringement is limited for non-commercial research, study, criticism, or review
[17:44:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> [1/2] which im kinda concerned about cause like
[17:44:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> [2/2] im writing an alternate universe for a show i really like and i plan to make a wiki for it on miraheze someday and i have no idea if that would count as a copyright violation or not
[17:47:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I doubt that would be compliant with fair dealing nor fair use
[17:48:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Do consider that we are going to be a US entity soon so fair use will apply
[17:48:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> I'm not doing it for commercial purposes if you're unsure
[17:48:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to rhinosf1> That's great
[17:48:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to lupe1512> But does this change anything?
[17:49:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> All I want is a place to wiki to document my projects
[17:49:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Non commercial helps
[17:50:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> If you were doing it for a uni art project, maybe be fine
[17:50:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> If you're building your own story and using someone else's illustrations then publishing it, I'm not convinced fair use nor fair dealing would apply
[17:50:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Even if non-commercial
[17:51:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ideally, you'd ask for permission to upload/use
[17:51:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> then state that in file description
[17:52:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> Alright
[17:53:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <velvetbyrne> is there a way to remove this automated category for short descriptions?
[17:54:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You can mark them hidden categories
[17:55:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <velvetbyrne> Aight thank you!
[17:56:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to lupe1512> Anyway another question regarding copyright
[17:57:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> Does it count as a fair dealing violation if, like, for my sci fi wiki, I use images of procedurally generated planets from a game?
[17:58:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tequt> I mean you're using that game like a tool
[17:59:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> Exactly
[17:59:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to lupe1512> If you're using them for commentary or review, that's fine.
[17:59:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I do remind you though that nothing provide in this discord server should be considered legal advice.
[18:00:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to rhinosf1> I'm using the images to represent the planets in-universe 💔
[18:00:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Any commentary is provided without warranty and cannot substitute the advice of a licensed professional
[18:01:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to lupe1512> It's up to you to determine specfic cases
[18:01:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We can provide general indications about what the law says
[18:01:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We can't provide advice about specific situations
[18:02:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And the burden of proof will be on you if we get a legal claim to counter a take down as we simply can't afford to fight it
[18:02:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> Honestly all this is whatever
[18:02:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tequt, replying to lupe1512> You can credit the generator of the game
[18:03:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to lupe1512> I've been part of a scifi community that uses these images for years
[18:03:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tequt> You can always ask the developers for permission
[18:03:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> I don't really think that the developers really care about that
[18:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> People will do it all the time and it's not harmful
[18:05:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Yes they do
[18:05:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Because trademarks can be lost if you don't defend them
[18:05:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> Yeah I know
[18:05:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And certain large companies are evil
[18:05:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to lupe1512> But for like non-commercial stuff that's what I don't think they care a lot about
[18:06:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> _mutters the breath of a certain major production company beginning with d and ending in y  cough  cough _
[18:07:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> yes i know about disney
[18:08:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> well anyway
[18:08:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tequt> It's always good to ask for permission cause then you know if they care or they don't
[18:08:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> ^
[18:08:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tequt> Contact their legal division
[18:09:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And also, I ain't going to court to defend you
[18:09:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We will just take the content down
[18:09:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to lupe1512> do we have any idea when the fair use thingy will be put into place in the miraheze since you said it'd be "soon"
[18:09:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It's not my place to comment on the ongoing discussions between the various parties about the transfer of Miraheze from the UK to US
[18:10:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But I know they are working hard to make it happen
[18:10:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> Alright
[18:11:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tequt> Can you tell me anything about archiving fan art, both graphical and written ?@rhinosf1
[18:11:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @tequt what's your question
[18:12:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> If it's copyright law, please consult a qualified legal professional if online advice doesn't work
[18:13:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tequt> As in is it allowed on miraheze and under what copyright does it belong. Both to the holder of the characters and the artist or solely to either
[18:14:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to tequt> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright#criticism-review-and-reporting-current-events
[18:15:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tequt> Thanks
[18:20:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mickey96> Is Miraheze still based in UK? I heard it was getting transferred to the US.
[18:20:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mickey96> still transfering, process is rather slow and carefull
[18:32:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <CandleSign, replying to rhinosf1> Ahh that could be a problem then. Thanks for answering though!
[19:40:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> it's joever
[19:40:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> anyone else dealin with this
[19:40:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to lupe1512> Fanfiction is essentially illegal to distribute in the UK. I have a private wiki which I collaborate on a fanfic ‘verse with my friends, but we feel like we can’t make it public due to UK fair dealing law. Now if Miraheze was based in Canada, the opposite would be true, and it would be forced by their fair dealing law to make it a public wiki.
[19:42:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Even once the US org takes over our servers will be in the UK for quite some time, so for a while fair dealing and fair use  will be copyright considerations for Miraheze.
[19:45:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> Wow really?
[19:47:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> In my non-lawyer opinion, yes.
[19:49:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Obviously how the law is enforced matters. Fanfic is also illegal in Japan, yet Comiket is a giant event where people sell fanfic.
[20:08:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to .labster> Illegal even non-commercially?
[20:09:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> To the best of my knowledge.
[20:12:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> And how would the situation be if Miraheze was fully based in the us?
[20:13:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Obviously fair use would apply, and UK fair dealing would only apply if you live there
[20:14:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Fair use has specific language that non commercial use is a point in favor of it potentially being Fair Use.
[20:17:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> US fair use isn’t prescriptive so  nothing and everything is fair use until a court rules on it. But noncommercial fanfiction is generally allowed.
[20:20:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> [1/2] just my two cents, but it seems to me you're working pretty hard to try to justify why it's ok for you to use someone else's work for your own purpose. how would you feel if they used your work for their purpose without permission, attribution, or compensation?
[20:20:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> [2/2] think of it that way.
[20:20:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> and just because others might have done so does not make it ok.
[20:20:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512, replying to jph2> I'm not using someone's work for my own purposes?
[20:22:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> First off I put a lot of effort into the fanfic of mine they were mentioning
[20:22:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> sorry. i shouldn't have implied you were.
[20:22:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> And second I just want to make sure everything I did was within fair dealing law
[20:23:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> I'm new to it and I used to be from fandom which uses fair use and fair use has a lot less limitations than fair dealing
[20:23:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> In my personal opinion IP law is works to steal thoughts from your mind, but the law is as it is.
[20:24:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to lupe1512> Being based in the US is definitely an advantage.
[20:24:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lupe1512> Exactly
[21:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jojoboz123> is miraheze down again
[21:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jojoboz123> nevermind
[23:08:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <plogie> i am trying out the portable infobox builder extension, but the infoboxes i create only show the title and nothing else, even when i attempt to add data using the visual editor. does anyone know what i might be doing wrong? does it require another extension?
[23:11:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chimecrime, replying to plogie> try using the source editor?
[23:14:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <plogie> everything seems to show in the source editor when i change it on the visual editor, so i'm not sure that would change anything :/