[00:13:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> is there any way to target the css of only the front page?
[00:13:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> specifically the mw-content section
[00:14:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> idk if :has() would be suitable
[00:16:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> oh maybe i could use rootpage-*
[00:21:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thom99> how can you send links, when creating a support thread?
[00:22:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Use /auth to be able to send links, or just remove the https://
[00:23:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thom99> super, thank you
[00:24:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov, replying to tedkalashnikov> update, using `.rootpage-YOUR_WIKI #mw-content` works perfectly
[00:27:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thom99> e
[00:55:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tedkalashnikov> Try maybe something like [[Extention:TemplateStyles]]
[00:55:37] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extention:TemplateStyles
[00:55:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extention:TemplateStyles?action=edit&redlink=1>
[00:55:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> guh
[00:58:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> oh thats a good solution, i think the one i found works too but ill definitely keep this in mind for future bc it seems helpful
[02:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [1/4] hi, quick question
[02:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [2/4] i have a table that i want to populate with the week number (since the start of an event) and the time remaining to the next week 
[02:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [3/4] i have no problems with the week number, but how do i display the time remaining to the next week of the event?
[02:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [4/4] (preferably in d:hh:mm:ss format)
[03:02:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <maharajadhiraja> hey can someone help me
[03:09:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> does anyone know if theres a way to disable the flex ordering of mw-related-navigation in the Timeless skin? i want to bring it back over to where mw-site-navigation is, but any attempt to change the flex order just displays it beside the site nav, not under. it correctly works on a smaller screen size bc the original stylesheet accomodates for this
[03:11:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov, replying to furina.siyanse> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CountDownClock not sure if this extension would help?
[03:21:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to tedkalashnikov> [1/2] i've checked this one, but i don't think it does what i need it to as i will need to constantly update the end time
[03:21:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to tedkalashnikov> [2/2] i'm looking for a solution using parser functions
[03:21:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> thanks for the suggestion though
[03:22:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> no worries, its out of my element so i hope someone has an idea for you!!
[03:22:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> thank you!
[03:28:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to maharajadhiraja> don't ask to ask, just ask
[03:29:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel> Someone should make a server, where everyone gets ONE qeustion, maybe then people would stop asking if they can ask, as that would use up their one qeustion 😛
[03:29:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lichmaster98> Everyone would just use up their one question
[03:30:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel> hmm yeah you might be right xD
[03:47:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to furina.siyanse> [1/6] update: i've kinda found a way, but i need somebody to complete it
[03:47:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to furina.siyanse> [2/6] my method is 
[03:47:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to furina.siyanse> [3/6] ```
[03:47:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to furina.siyanse> [4/6] (endDateUnixTS - currentUnixTS) mod (7  24  3600)
[03:47:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to furina.siyanse> [5/6] ```
[03:47:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to furina.siyanse> [6/6] this produces the number of seconds to the next week. how do i convert this into d\:h\:m\:s format?
[04:31:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin, replying to furina.siyanse> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##time>, You'd basically stick your output into some variant of `{{#time: <format> | (calculation) }}`
[04:31:33] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23time:Template:_%3cformat%3e_ 
[04:54:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to orduin> [1/2] tried, and here's the problem.
[04:54:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to orduin> [2/2] my formula outputs the time as a raw number of seconds, which #time does not accept
[04:56:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [1/2] or rather, it might accept it, but won't produce what i expect
[04:56:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [2/2] `{{#time: d:h:m:s | (thatFormula)}}` gives `Error: Invalid time.` or some random value
[04:56:58] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23time:Template:_d:h:m:s_ 
[04:58:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Ah, stick an ampersand at the start `{{#time: d:h:m:s | @(thatFormula)}}`
[04:58:10] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23time:Template:_d:h:m:s_ 
[04:59:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> wouldn't that make the output of that formula into a unix timestamp?
[05:04:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> nvr mind it works, thank you so much!
[05:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> To clarify, since the output of the formula is a unix timestamp (from the sounds of things) it just tells the `#time` parser function to treat it as one.
[05:23:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to orduin> actually no, i need to subtract one day from the output of this time function, which i cannot do
[05:23:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> because unix timestamps start at january 1 and not january 0
[05:26:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> is there a parser function for time offsets?
[05:28:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Could try with `{{#time: z:h:m:s | @(thatFormula)}}`, as that's zero-indexed. Otherwise, probably just change the formula to something like `(endDateUnixTS - currentUnixTS - 3600) mod (7  24  3600)`
[05:28:10] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23time:Template:_z:h:m:s_ 
[05:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Oop, that was only an hour's offset, fixed
[05:31:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to orduin> wouldn't that formula produce wrong values for differences less than a day?
[05:31:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> i'll try that expression first
[05:33:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> ok that expression seems to work, i'll test it with some real-world values
[05:38:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> and to confirm, there's no way to make this timer live, correct?
[05:41:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Not without JavaScript, which would be it's own can of worms
[05:41:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> right, i was wondering how the other wikis were doing it
[05:53:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [1/2] also i just remembered i had to change m to i because m is a month and i was wondering why it was stuck at 01
[05:53:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [2/2] 😅
[10:15:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <limyx826> Where does $wgLogo appear in?
[10:23:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <valeofvoid, replying to limyx826> it'll replace the default miraheze logo, so for example on vector legacy  it'll appear in the top left corner
[10:24:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <valeofvoid> but it depends on the skin
[10:24:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <limyx826> I see my wiki is set in vector 2022
[10:29:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <limyx826> By the way for vector 2022 skin, how to switch out the top left Wiki Logo Text?
[10:33:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that must be wordmark
[10:33:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <limyx826> Thanks
[10:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <beith> Just dropping in for a second to say thanks again to all the volunteers/people who work on the stuff here which keeps it all running and for all the support. 🙇‍♂️
[10:55:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [1/5] Hey 
[10:55:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [2/5] I was just wondering if anyone knows of an easy way to link pages? Basically I have a series of chapters, and I would like to make it so 
[10:55:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [3/5] <(prev chapter) (Next chapter)>
[10:55:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [4/5] so it links? But it's kind of a pain to do manually every time, since there's so many chapters. If not it's fine I'll live, just wondering if there's some trick that I'm missing. 
[10:55:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [5/5] Also are you proud of me I created a template for chapters and I think it's working
[10:57:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> I very much feel like I'm doing everything in The Most Complicated Way Possible, and for once, I'd like to make things easier for myself
[11:00:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you want it to be in infobox or like separate template above/bellow article?
[13:29:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> The extension MobileDetect is not the same as MobileFrontend, right?
[13:31:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to ghaztliousmoths> they different extensions
[13:32:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Alright, just wanted to make sure, an editor was trying to do something but was able to resolve it
[14:48:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> i don't understand why websites don't use this effect more
[14:48:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> it's sick!!
[14:48:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> (this example is just a test)
[14:54:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <holocraft> https://youtube.com/shorts/VsDEK2ohbv8 imagine wikibricks
[14:58:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey, replying to kojobailey> question though
[14:59:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> how do i make it centred relative to the actual wiki page
[14:59:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> rather than the browser width
[15:03:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> `background-image: center center` doesn't seem to d oit
[15:07:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> rip
[15:08:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.tounae_official> Is anyone meeting this problem?
[15:09:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> yes
[15:09:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> why is the timing always so bad 😭
[15:09:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> it's my first time editing my wiki in like 2 weeks
[15:09:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.tounae_official> oh
[15:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.tounae_official> it's back
[15:13:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> and crashed again
[15:17:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> andback again
[15:23:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> man why everything be crashing
[15:23:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> ChatGPT is down again
[15:28:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> are ParserFunctions not enabled on Miraheze?
[15:28:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> i thought they were
[15:28:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> the `{{#for:` loops aren't working
[15:29:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to kojobailey> Useless most of the time, and people want to read actual contents, not the image behind that.
[15:29:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> they are
[15:29:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> enabled
[15:30:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> are you sure your code is correct?
[15:30:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <almondina> any idea why the site keeps crashing this morning?
[15:30:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> grah i would love to check
[15:31:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> `{{#for:1|{{{1|1}}}|1|<br/>}}`
[15:31:02] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23for:Template:1 
[15:31:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> seems correct
[15:32:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> `{{#for: 1 | {{{1|1}}} | 1 | <br/> }}`
[15:32:57] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23for:Template:_1_ 
[15:33:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> i definitely have it enabled...
[15:34:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> wait i'm not seeing a `for` loop on that page
[15:34:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> i guess i'll just use `{{#loop:` instead
[15:35:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> yeah that worked
[15:35:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> not sure why i was told to use `{{#for:` initially...
[16:36:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tatiannaz> is there a way i can turn off talk ages for my wiki?
[16:37:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tatiannaz> like i can remove the talk page icon from showing up
[16:48:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler> [1/3] Hey all, quick questions: 
[16:48:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler> [2/3] How do I make pages that use different CSS than the wiki default?
[16:48:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler> [3/3] How do I make the CSS extension be able to import said custom CSS?
[17:05:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tatiannaz> yeah, w/ CSS + you can limit talk page namespaces to be edited only by admin, since they are still accessible via URL
[17:28:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <everestal> [1/2] I'll teach 10people to earn $50k within a week but you will pay me 10% of your profit when you receive it. Note only interested people should apply, send me a DM or drop a message let's get started by asking (HOW) via WhatsApp 
[17:28:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <everestal> [2/2] +1 (707) 831-7330
[17:40:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tatiannaz, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> is there any way i can make it so that it's gone all the way?
[17:40:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> nope
[17:40:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> talk pages are like, hard coded
[17:40:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tatiannaz> -
[18:31:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <poggerplayzyt> when are wiki requests checked?
[18:40:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bernardis> I just need to wait now for my custom domain be ready?
[19:37:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to bernardis> Yes
[19:47:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bernardis> Ok, ty!
[20:24:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to poggerplayzyt> mine was literally approved on the day I sent in my request, but I know some people wait a couple days to a week or so, so you'll just have to be patient and keep refreshing the apge
[20:34:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> all depends on the availability of our wonderful volunteers
[20:38:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also volunteer might request to specify something in your request
[20:38:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> thus putting review on hold till user replies
[21:14:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey, replying to delawbutcooler> [1/3] There are two main ways I know of:
[21:14:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey, replying to delawbutcooler> [2/3] 1. Create a `common.css` subpage (no capitals) and put the page-specific CSS there (e.g. `Johnny Cage/common.css`)
[21:14:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey, replying to delawbutcooler> [3/3] 2. Create a template that uses [<templatestyles>](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles) to import CSS from a page of your creation. Then apply the template wherever you want the CSS to be applied.
[21:14:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> idk what that 2nd question is talking about tho
[21:29:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler, replying to kojobailey> Ah, I was asking this because a friend of mine attempted to use the CSS Tag with a page they made, but it ended up changing nothing, so we wanted to check if we got everything right
[21:29:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler> Thank you though, we will try what you said!
[21:29:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> oh i see
[21:29:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> i think CSS tags are disabled on Miraheze
[21:29:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> i know JavaScript tags are
[21:30:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> yeah `<style>` tags don't work, and neither do `<script>`
[21:30:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey> unless it's an extension to enable idk
[21:31:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] the `<style>` tags yes
[21:31:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] also who told you to make `/common.css` subpages? this really for user pages
[21:31:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler> That might be it then, we really wanted to use the CSS extension since TemplateStyles doesn't seem to allow variables to be changed
[21:31:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> it's an option ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:31:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to delawbutcooler> there's additional extension called TemplateStyles Extender
[21:32:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler> Oh, does it allow for variables?
[21:32:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to kojobailey> better go w/ `/styles.css`, the use of `common` brings confusion
[21:32:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to delawbutcooler> I believe so
[21:32:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kojobailey, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> oh yeah that's what i meant
[21:32:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler> Oh, this is great, we'll check it out
[21:32:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler> Thank you, I appreciate the help!
[21:33:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to delawbutcooler> also don't forget to check page model for CSS pages
[21:33:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <delawbutcooler> Will do!
[21:56:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I don't mind, either works
[22:02:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [1/10] if you are using portable infobox, the code will be like this:
[22:02:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [2/10] `<group layout="horizontal">
[22:02:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [3/10]     <header>Episodes/header
[22:02:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [4/10]     <data source="previous">
[22:02:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [5/10]       <label>Previous/label
[22:02:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [6/10]     /data
[22:02:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [7/10]     <data source="next">
[22:02:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [8/10]       <label>Next/label
[22:02:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [9/10]     /data
[22:02:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [10/10] /group`
[22:04:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> for separate navigation-like template I suggest to make it as a table w/ 3 columns
[22:05:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it would have small height
[22:05:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the one I have is rather clunky, made it 2 years ago
[22:06:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] Okay, thanks so much! I think I can figure out infoboxes, I remember smth sent earlier in the chat on it. How do I then put in the pages I want it to link to? Replace "previous" and "next" with the page name?
[22:06:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] Oh, for the table thing, will I be able to include that with atemplate then?
[22:07:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [1/3] the infobox code you will be using on actual pages should have parameters
[22:07:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [2/3] `|previous = 
[22:07:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [3/3] |next = `
[22:07:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> after `=` you type needed links to episode pages
[22:08:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> as for table yes, you first create a Template: page, then you can use it
[22:09:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Okay, right, thanks- what's the difference between the infobox and table then?
[22:10:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [1/3] infobox is infobox
[22:10:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [2/3] table template I suggested is separate thing, see screenshot above
[22:10:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [3/3] it's usually added at the top or at the bottom of article, it's a big navigation element, basically
[22:11:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> this is what you'll get in infobox
[22:12:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> Ah, okay, thank you. I'll read up on infoboxes then!
[22:58:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> https://waysofdarkness.miraheze.org/wiki/Ways_of_Darkness:Code_of_Conduct_%26_Content_Policy Does this seem like a reasonable Code of Conduct & Content Policy? I wrote it earlier today.
[23:04:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> hey, I tried the infobox and ended up with this. I think I messed up
[23:08:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to stephanustavilrond> [1/2] Wow, so official! I don't really get the 'ideas guy' thing ngl, every fandom I've ever been part of has loved it when someone has come up with ideas that then others can work with. For example, someone suggested this fic idea for dr who and after asking the person who came up with it, I began writing it. 
[23:08:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to stephanustavilrond> [2/2] Then again, idk what ways of darkness is, so maybe it's different in your fandom
[23:09:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> Thank you ^^
[23:09:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> np
[23:11:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> As for the ideas guy thing.... to tell you the truth, it is a not-so-subtle message to a friend of mine, who keeps coming up with stuff like "it would be cool if there was a WoD novel" without actually comitting to them. Like, he teases me, throws in a few ideas, I get hyped up, and after I begin, I get left in the swamp. When I get stuck, he is nowhere to be found.
[23:14:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [1/3] seems like you haven't coded an infobox at all
[23:14:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [2/3] please consider to carefully read this guide, what you are looking for Portable Infobox
[23:14:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> [3/3] [[Infoboxes]]
[23:14:23] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes
[23:14:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes>
[23:15:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's 2 am, I'm off
[23:15:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to stephanustavilrond> Is he involved in WoD? i mean, does he have the power and/or ability to actually do that? please bear in mind that idk what WoD is
[23:15:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> oh famn yh gnite
[23:15:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> thanks so much for your help!
[23:15:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> Yes, he is very much involved.
[23:16:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> Well, creatives have no obligation to create, you know? There's a huge difference between saying "haha wouldn't it be cool if X happened" and sitting down and writing 80k
[23:18:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> I dunno, still not a fan of being teased around like that. Makes me feel like I'm being manipulated or something. Like, when someone talks about writing a story, I understand it to be a commitment.
[23:21:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [1/2] I want you to knwo that I'm not trying to criticise you when I say this, but I feel like that expectation is a bit selfish? Writers are people too. It can take years to write a first draft, if we have the motivation, and a hell of a lot of effort. Plus, unless a contract has been signed there really is no obligation. 
[23:21:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [2/2] If I say "I'd love to see a movie with Chris Evans snogging the Hulk for five hours on end" (idk I'm tired), I don't think it would be fair to then expect me to actually make that movie.
[23:23:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> Ok, ok, I get what you mean, but I still don't wanna get teased about collaborative projects, only for the person to just sit back and watch me struggle to do the entire thing, if you know what I mean.
[23:24:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> Well, maybe try talking to your friend, asking if something is a seriosu plan or just a potential idea? Once again idk how WoD works, so idk what the setup you have is, but why would you have to make this idea/ why would there be some collaborative project expected of you?
[23:27:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [1/2] Oh, I will talk to him, don't worry about that.
[23:27:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [2/2] As for "why would I have to make this".... well, I don't want to character-assassinate someone who isn't here and thus in no position to defend himself.... but if I said no, then he'd keep prodding me about it endlessly and I wouldn't hear the end of it.
[23:27:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> Right, but, why are you under any obligation at all? What is WoD?
[23:28:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> WoD - short for Ways of Darkness - is a franchise. My franchise, to be specific. On paper, he's just a contributor, but... well, it's complicated.
[23:29:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [1/3] Basically, If he has a big idea, there are two outcomes:
[23:29:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [2/3] a) I say no, and he'll keep harassing me about it until I say yes
[23:29:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [3/3] b) I say yes, get excited about it, he promises to take an active part in implementing it, only to refuse to have any actual part in it, and then forget about it while I struggle.
[23:29:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> Ok, maybe harassing is a too harsh word
[23:30:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [1/2] Ah. Well, I don't think it's fair to put the obligation on your fandom to do any fanwork they suggest, which is why I'd say remove the rule. 
[23:30:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [2/2] However, if this is a franchise that you own and he is part of, there may actually be some obligation on his part to do that thing if you've officially agreed to it, so I think talking to him is a very good idea
[23:31:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> There is no official agreement, actually.
[23:31:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> ah.
[23:31:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> well idk how legal stuff works. good luck and gnite
[23:32:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bwm0> Hi could I receive assistance from @Stewards please when available
[23:32:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bwm0> No rush, just when available and have a spare 30 seconds, not a long thing
[23:33:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> Maybe I did not word the rule perfectly, but it's essentially a rule against teasing and emotional manipulation, so to speak. And it only applies when the person sounds dead serious about their idea - it obviously wouldn't apply if it was just a joke.
[23:38:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> (Another reason for the rule, is that I would be perfectly content to keep it as a purely worldbuilding project, but people keep prodding me about making a video game, writing a novel, etc.)
[23:39:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> I'm having problems with getting AJAXPoll to work with my css. Every time I try and change things it will completely ignore it and not show up in inspect at all. I tried !important too and it still is ignoring. Is there a way to style the poll?