[00:01:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Will be a short-term situation once the legal part of the merger is resolved.
[00:30:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dyepezg> Does anyone know how to disable the <pre> tag when using rawhtml
[01:04:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bwm0> tech-knowledgable people: is it a known & reported issue that interwiki links aren't appearing?
[01:04:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bwm0> saw it on Requests for reopening wikis.....made an edit to the page, and suddenly they all appear again
[01:04:59] <CosmicAlpha>	 I think I pushed a fix today
[01:06:21] <CosmicAlpha>	 (A fix thanks to @MarkusRost)
[01:07:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Yeah, fix came out, missing links can be fixed with a purge or edit.
[01:07:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> confirmed that last part with the gazetteer after it was deployed
[01:08:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Yep I purged that page as it was what I was using to test the fix
[01:08:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bwm0, replying to orduin> Got it 👍
[01:43:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> what's the role of T&S?
[01:46:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> They handled legal affairs
[01:46:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Like if someone posted something illegal and it got reported, T&S would usually be the ones to take it down
[01:46:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Or if an underage user signed up, they'd be the ones to delete their account
[01:51:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> They would obliterate uknuclearcrocodilesales.wiki, for example
[01:53:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> (though a steward could do that one too, I think)
[01:57:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Turns out you can own a crocodile in the UK, but it can't (and shouldn't) contain fissionable material and you do need a special license.
[01:58:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> 0 _ o
[01:58:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I beg your pardon..?
[01:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> (This is a kinda-joke in reference to overly specific items outlined in our content policy and terms of use)
[01:59:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Sale of fissionable materials being one such thing.
[02:04:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> In Miraheze policy?
[02:05:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> oh heh, yes
[02:05:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I always found that odd
[02:05:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> @.labster care to explain the thought process behind including that in the Content Policy?
[02:06:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to agentisai> It's funny. What more reasoning do you need
[02:06:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> You never know. Maybe someone once tried to sell nuclear weapons on-wiki
[02:06:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I wanted to avoid talking about kiddie porn as much as possible because it’s gross so I came up with a list of other obviously illegal things
[02:06:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] oh god my eyes I hate when people use full URL for wikilinks
[02:06:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192650368606277652/0jxgpGr.png?ex=65a9d936&is=65976436&hm=0306f3f31f645e8d23a6b0e4954c1c9a047a515a044dd82064b45ed29fcf58a2&
[02:07:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> sense
[02:07:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I don’t want the first impression of our website to be “omg they must have such a big child porn problem”
[02:08:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> That's good thinkinh
[02:09:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> although
[02:09:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> how many peoples first impression of miraheze was on our content policy?
[02:09:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> most people are readers who will never see that
[02:09:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> but your point still stands
[02:10:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to .labster> well now maybe people think we have a big russia/north korea/iran selling nuclear weapons on-wiki problem \:(
[02:10:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Now that I read /r/noncredibledefense I kinda want to encourage sales of nukes lol
[02:10:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> i need to see this
[02:12:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to pixldev> Not all of my ideas are good ideas
[02:13:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to pixldev> most wiki admins won't either
[02:13:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> bro this is me
[02:13:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I come up with so many dumb ideas
[02:13:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> WC requests should have a content policy quiz
[02:13:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I am shocked my wiki's lead hasn't fired me
[02:14:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> wake up babe new captcha just dropped
[02:14:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fhoney-wake-up-ukrainian-official-account-memeing-again-v0-nriug8qx9gac1.png%3Fs%3Dd5c4c2d7fdaf0d351e5dce0fdc9c5395bac8f2bc huh
[02:15:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> We’re still waiting for The Funni to happen
[02:24:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to agentisai> i think i've seen more insane people than people trying to sell weapons on a wiki (?)
[02:25:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> isn't sales in general frowned upon on wikis anyway
[02:25:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yep
[02:25:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> figured
[02:25:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> though since we're on that topic
[02:27:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [1/2] since my wiki is about rhythm games, some games require dedicated controllers to enjoy (for example clone hero)
[02:27:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [2/2] is the act of informing readers about the need for such controllers (like guitar hero/rock band controllers or any other specific controller) considered sales?
[02:28:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I'd say not, since your not beinfiting, if it was an affiliate link or your the seller than maybe
[02:29:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [1/2] so if i phrase the requirement as something like "you'll need the official controller from XYZ or third-party controllers like this one from ABC" that should be all good, correct?
[02:29:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [2/2] (and yes i'm not selling any controllers, don't even have the skills to make one lol)
[02:30:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to furina.siyanse> think so
[02:31:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> 100% in the clear, to my read.
[02:31:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> aye, thank you
[02:33:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> If you were using your wiki to conduct sales of controllers that you make directly, that'd be a different matter.
[02:33:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mrbradlerz, replying to notaracham> iTunes also has something in the EULA saying you can’t use it to make nuclear weapons. Maybe it’s a reference to that?
[02:34:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to mrbradlerz> If it is, I don't remember it being a reference when I wrote it.
[02:34:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> The weirdest violation of the commerce policy I've seen was someone who was selling access to publish pages on their wiki.  Like, straight up, pay 5 dollars and I'll let you create one page on anything you want.
[02:34:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> But given the "death of the author" you're free to reinterpret.
[02:36:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to notaracham> was it on MH or some other farm?
[02:36:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> It was here, though the name escapes me.
[02:36:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> what was their scope during creation then?
[02:36:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> this seems like blatant violation of their own scope too
[02:37:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> On the commerce clause, I was thinking along the lines of Wikia content wikis which can support the sales of the game/movie they are about, or say a webcomic that wanted to use us to host a semi-official wiki for fans.  Both should be allowable, even though they may support a commercial venture, because they're community-oriented.
[02:37:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to furina.siyanse> Yeah, something about community-building, I don't recall what exactly.  They were trying to create a network of wikis pulling the same grift in different ways.  They had very colorful words for stewards upon their booting.
[02:38:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Also, there's really no need to block another charity from doing charitable sales through us.
[02:38:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> creating a network of wikis sounds like that affiliation system from fandom
[02:39:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to .labster> Absolutely, support of a commercial product has always been considered acceptably in-scope, as has clearly charitable stuff, e.g. linking a fundraiser for animals or whatever.
[02:39:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to .labster> [1/2] > a webcomic using MH to host semi-official wiki
[02:39:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to .labster> [2/2] so something like gamepedia?
[02:39:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Pretty much, yeah.
[02:40:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> It's the turning your wiki into a direct marketplace where it starts to cross lines.
[02:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> makes sense
[02:40:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> though the webcomic thing got me curious
[02:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> has anyone ever used a wiki to start an ARG?
[02:41:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Or where the only purpose of the wiki is to drive sales, through advertisement/catalogs, etc.
[02:41:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yep, acting as a store-front to another site is definitely a no
[02:41:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to mrbradlerz> aint no way
[02:41:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> miraheze sure but apple?
[02:42:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to furina.siyanse> theres a wiki for everything
[02:42:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> SCP project comes to mind
[02:42:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> by that i don't mean documenting an ARG
[02:42:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> i mean implementing the ARG on the wiki itself
[02:42:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> true
[02:43:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I've heard of such things, but specific examples are not something I've retained.
[02:43:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> there are some really cool oens
[02:43:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> theres one im thinking of
[02:43:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> lemme look
[02:44:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> would be cool if that was a thing
[02:44:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [SCP-6500](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6500/)
[02:44:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> its kinda a self contained arg
[02:44:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> oh wow
[02:44:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> that's one impressive looking sit
[02:45:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> you need to get the keyword from reading
[02:45:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i mean you can skip by changing the url
[02:45:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yeah, that community's very invested in their whole thing.
[02:45:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yeah
[02:45:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> The fact that they got it working on wikidot of all hosts blows my mind.
[02:45:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i sometimes read their 05 staff forums for funnies
[02:46:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> Iirc they are working on a replacement via Project Foundation
[02:46:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> wikijump thats it
[02:46:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://github.com/scpwiki/wikijump
[02:47:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> i knew SCP had a very big community, just didn't think they were really that invested into this whole thing
[02:47:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to furina.siyanse> hahahaha you have no idea
[02:47:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [1/2] This is an example of what I'm more familiar with wikidot wikis looking like:
[02:47:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [2/2] http://community.wikidot.com/wiki-explained
[02:47:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Just very, very 90s web design
[02:48:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> <:moonch:794697217826095165>
[02:48:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> even their staff forum is better lmao
[02:48:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://05command.wikidot.com/forum:start
[02:49:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> it's been some time since i last visited a forum
[02:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> whew
[02:49:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Neat.  It's still a forum but whoever's done their work on layout really has a good eye for it.
[02:49:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Very clean spacing.
[02:50:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> also never seen a moderation team this open before
[02:50:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> only things that are private are sensitive evidence and such
[02:50:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to notaracham> Speaking of early 00's, does anyone remember the Project wiki theme from classic Google Sites?
[02:50:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tali64> dont believe so
[02:50:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> any sample images?
[02:51:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to notaracham> for some reason this reminds me of the java 8 era documentation pages
[02:51:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to pixldev> Here's a recreation of the theme I made with Neocities: https://tali64.neocities.org/projectwikirevived/classic; I based it off of archived webpages
[02:51:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to notaracham> oh yes, wasn't it related to Famepedia?
[02:52:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Ah, no, but kinda. Those were around the same time.
[02:52:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> The owner of Famepedia reclaimed the domain
[02:53:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to furina.siyanse> its only slightly better today lmao
[02:53:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> true that
[07:02:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jaybilant> Do I need to use CSS to center the titles across all infoboxes?
[07:09:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to jaybilant> if we talk about portable infoboxes - yet
[07:09:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> although it goes for any type
[07:15:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <poopy_kibble> does miraheze have an equivalent to fandom's forum thingies
[07:18:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to poopy_kibble> I kinda recreated it on my wiki w/ discussiontools
[07:18:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <poopy_kibble> is it an extension
[07:18:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yes
[07:19:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I've enabled it, then created new "forum" namespace
[07:20:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <poopy_kibble> ill check it out
[07:20:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> made a header template for those pages wich also convert them into talk page type
[07:20:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> while hiding actual talk pages button w/ css
[07:24:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] <https://softcell.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:ForumHeader>
[07:24:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] <https://softcell.miraheze.org/wiki/Forum:Wiki>
[07:28:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thegoose3375> [1/2] what are the lines under headers called?
[07:28:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thegoose3375> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192731306254155828/image.png?ex=65aa2497&is=6597af97&hm=28519e7b661e5878d27b072cc0043507d7a043f038132808904b7b8470f53460&
[07:29:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thegoose3375> you are looking for class/id? depends on skin
[07:30:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thegoose3375> i just wanna recolor them, they dont look good on a dark theme. skin is vector-2022
[07:30:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thegoose3375, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> probably class yea
[07:30:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thegoose3375> i cant find it in dev mode
[08:00:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> [1/2] So my image import was declined bc of Fandom policies, which is unfortunate, but understandable. As for the options they gave me, do I just create another task with the files or is there something else I need to do?
[08:00:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foxstep_the_cat> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192739443153576016/Screenshot_20240105-015848.png?ex=65aa2c2b&is=6597b72b&hm=57a3449182622e555aa8aa95fc3f3dd37d4c4fee5ab68fd24fd368b9db1f828c&
[08:35:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [1/7] ```
[08:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [2/7] ;All Perfect (AP)
[08:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [3/7] :Refers to any achievement where the player scored nothing but the highest judgment possible. Sometimes, it's possible to have an AP without everything being at the highest judgment possible if the highest judgment is a "variant" of the second highest judgment (for example, maimai's Perfect and Critical Perfect). Some games have their own variant of this achievement (like Chun
[08:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [4/7] ithm's All Justice (AJ)).
[08:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [5/7] :''See also: [[#Perfect Full Combo (PFC)]]''
[08:35:12] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/#Perfect_Full_Combo_(PFC)
[08:35:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [6/7] ```
[08:35:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [7/7] i'm trying to link to another defintion list somewhere else on the page. do anchors not get created for definition terms as well?
[08:36:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> i'm trying to avoid having to make every term a div or span just to do this
[08:53:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to foxstep_the_cat> [1/2] Miraheze volunteers can't do this for someone, yes, but there are several third party tools to help you create file dump by yourself 
[08:53:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to foxstep_the_cat> [2/2] then you can make a new task w/ a link to your dump (although I believe it's okay to reopen closed task proving new link too)
[08:55:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I can't help w/ setting up those tools tho, they don't work for me lol
[09:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <transpanfurry> [1/2] how do i get a preview popup like this for my wiki?
[09:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <transpanfurry> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192758261619904522/image.png?ex=65aa3db1&is=6597c8b1&hm=584b7603867694c8f02660ffaed9c2bc4f94415b940882f620350a7e77934797&
[09:15:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <transpanfurry> i know about the extension but this one looks different
[09:18:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> It's a gadget called Reference Popups I believe
[10:23:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <logbucket> given how the vote ended, does anyone know how the change in ownership will effect the site? I saw alotta bad things floating around about Wikitide but without much sourcing and was hoping to get my fears quelled a bit
[10:24:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I mean hopefully you won't notice a great deal. Well we'll get a bit faster because new hardware.
[10:24:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to logbucket> There really shouldn't be any major change to the user experience for now. Long term, it's planned to move to faster servers so you'll definitely notice that but Miraheze isn't going away or changing radically.
[10:25:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <logbucket> Thats reassuring. I saw a few rumors floating around about the Miraheze being shifted to be alot more for profit and was concerned I was gonna end up in another Fandom
[10:26:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> They were a few unjustified rumours
[10:27:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> WikiTide is not legally or financially linked to the for profit farm that is operated by some of the same people.
[10:27:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> WikiForge has donated on occasion to WikiTide but it does have enough money to sustain itself.
[10:27:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> [1/2] Yeah, there's some conspiracy theorists who are rather aggressive about that. That's primarily due to WikiTide's relation with WikiForge, a for-profit wing spun up initially to fund Miraheze but the deal fell through when everyone quit. WikiForge initially did fund WikiTide but WikiTide is now a public charity, registered as such and verified by the government, so it should be quit
[10:27:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> [2/2] e hard to monetize WikiTide.
[10:28:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <logbucket, replying to agentisai> That is just the response I was looking for, I only came to Miraheze a few months ago and only saw alot of history I didn't have context get thrown around and was worried. Its good to hear that
[10:29:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> The context is extremely hard to find unless you dig it up in the Discord chat logs so I don't blame you
[10:30:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> No one has written a comprehensive history detailing the June affair and subsequent developments
[10:30:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> It's enough to fill a book tbh
[10:43:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Well, moving to the clouds are already big news
[10:44:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Last time there was so many dead WD green SSD as they aren't designed for heavy loads
[10:46:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to furina.siyanse> sorry to bother but may i bump this question for a moment?
[10:48:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to furina.siyanse> Why not just create a list of terms? Should be much easier than embed divs
[10:50:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to furina.siyanse> [1/2] creating divs is what i'm trying to avoid
[10:50:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse, replying to furina.siyanse> [2/2] however it seems like each term is not considered a header automatically so anchors won't point to them
[10:50:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [1/2] right now the link is there, but it doesn't jump to the correct entry
[10:50:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192782230074949773/image.png?ex=65aa5404&is=6597df04&hm=e3eec3db88c99e4a97a9f67d46c22a70701a1d03c7d5637d948356b475eb5539&
[10:51:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> templates?
[10:51:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <furina.siyanse> do i need to wrap the entire term + definition in one template?
[12:47:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to tedkalashnikov> This is now awaiting the fix being deployed by Miraheze
[12:47:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I've asked in https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1006789349498699827/1192810253989970000
[16:09:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.fufaj> [1/2] I can't post external link, even to yopur wiki so I am talking about physicalanthropology.(miraaheze org) wiki.  It is fully devoted to old school so called races/anthropological types/phenotypes. Some of them are describing Jews directly physicalanthropology.(miraaheze org)/wiki/Assyroid repeating old Nazil theories abouth their possible "bad look". If nothing will be done with this 
[16:09:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.fufaj> [2/2] wiki by stuff, the case will be escalated and among others anti-hate organizations will be informed, which will be problem for whole Miraheze...
[16:13:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.fufaj> ?
[16:15:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to .fufaj> You should /auth
[16:15:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.fufaj> List of Jews with this "type" physicalanthropology.miraheze.org/wiki/Assyroid/Notable_examples
[16:16:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I'm tired but is the allegation a wiki is posting anti semetic information @.fufaj
[16:16:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.fufaj> this is like lit for elimination in 1939
[16:16:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> If so, please raise it in #cvt and the appropriate volunteers will take action in line with the content policy
[16:18:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.fufaj, replying to rhinosf1> ok I will report it there
[16:21:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Oh bleh, I know what this is referring to.  Yeah, that needs a report.
[16:22:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> sigh
[16:22:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to .fufaj> Thank you for digilence, we'll look into it as soon as someone's free to do so.
[16:23:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Raze it in Wikiflame and salt on earth on which it grew
[16:23:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I guess the description in wiki request was very masking?
[16:24:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Almost certainly, unless you know what to look out for I can see how this may have slipped through if there wasn't a lot of info in the request
[16:24:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.fufaj> Soryr guys but I ma just registered here and don;t know how to report ecactly
[16:25:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @.fufaj just type exactly what you did but in #cvt instead
[16:25:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But we are looking
[16:25:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Prob ping as well
[16:25:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.fufaj> ok
[16:42:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nibblypup> MiraTide™️
[16:43:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mrbradlerz> Images seem to be broken again, at least on AllTheTropes. I wonder why this keeps happening!
[16:43:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k6ka, replying to nibblypup> WikiHeze™️
[16:44:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k6ka> Y'know that actually doesn't sound too bad, saying it out loud
[16:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to k6ka> We've been playing with variations on this for fun, and are generally of the opinion that this either sounds like a medical condition or the treatment for one.
[16:55:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to nibblypup> I really do want to find a use for this at some point, it has good resonance and is fun to say.
[16:57:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to mrbradlerz> This comes down to Swift (our image storage and recall service) being overburdened, it's a far sight better than gluster which would take a wiki into 50X town when it got overburdened.
[16:57:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> This is something that should hopefully see big improvements once we get moved over to the new hardware platform.
[17:25:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <han.0000, replying to notaracham> got wikimania? ask your doctor about WikiHeze™! for the low price of 12 monthly payments of 19.99, you'll be freed from all symptoms of editcountitis, talk page stalking and carpal tunnel caused by obsessive refreshing of Special:RecentChanges!
[18:32:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cool_internet_dog> Hey, I'm admin on a wiki, how can I mark as patrolled previous revisions of a file? E.g. https://kosmo.miraheze.org/wiki/File:BPM_Clock_(CircuitsAndSounds).jpg - the first version is stuck as unpatrolled because I can't find anywhere to mark it as patrolled. (We use the Citizen skin but I verified that Vector doesn't expose any obvious UI to do that either)
[18:32:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cool_internet_dog> I bet there's a special page hidden somewhere that lets me do that
[18:33:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It should be at the bottom of the page
[18:33:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> When in old revision view
[18:34:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> https://kosmo.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=File:BPM_Clock_(CircuitsAndSounds).jpg&oldid=2029
[18:35:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cool_internet_dog> I have no such link on that page, either in our default skin or vector 😦
[18:36:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cool_internet_dog> Also we're using MultimediaViewer if that could interfere at all, but nothing else that could cause issues comes to mind
[19:03:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Maybe try going to Special:NewFiles and hide patrolled uploads?
[19:05:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cool_internet_dog> That page doesn't show me older revisions
[19:06:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cool_internet_dog> (I'm trying to make them disappear from Recent Changes so theey don't clutter it)
[19:42:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <3rdnax3la_off> [1/2] is this normal ?
[19:42:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <3rdnax3la_off> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192916052628213871/image.png?ex=65aad0a6&is=65985ba6&hm=c13c7e5a78899bfa71ac8ea1b5da5a3e6ab7446454b5e98c1bbaab4f802987a4&
[19:44:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Nope
[19:44:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesohnlandgov> My site is down too
[19:45:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @Site Reliability Engineers
[19:45:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We are down
[19:45:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesohnlandgov> Us too
[19:45:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Well dead in a ditch
[19:46:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> intermittently getting a no-CSS load, so seems like somethings struggling to come back up.
[19:48:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> [1/2] Guys... What actually happened?
[19:48:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192917493203873873/image.png?ex=65aad1fd&is=65985cfd&hm=fbb86ee46bc590d584fcef1a9fc65cd88d09b0d0a83b7d7733be61a7922a18bd&
[19:50:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We're investigating an incident affecting performance
[19:50:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> I hope this is not a DDos attack.
[19:50:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64> [1/2] 503 for me, too
[19:50:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192918147297189998/Screenshot_20240105_135023_Firefox.jpg?ex=65aad299&is=65985d99&hm=e91a04fc027b5fac35a54fed085ad5da1f8bfda13b5002e329988e3f3a28d2a1&
[19:50:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Users may be experience a variety of errors and there is no ETA at the moment
[19:51:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lieskryos, replying to johnmcgurkus> To what end?
[19:51:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesohnlandgov> Yikes, never thought it could be a ddos
[19:51:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> There is no indication of malicious intent
[19:51:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192918242856030309/image.png?ex=65aad2b0&is=65985db0&hm=92a4f697d42a962511312da20bed079ffaaa1812542d863ec7f2fb93724dfa89&
[19:51:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to johnmcgurkus> Nah that would slow it down probably
[19:51:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Not kill it all instantly
[19:51:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> cool
[19:52:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to lieskryos> Been hearing stories where a group of ppl decides to crack into a website just for invading and destroy.
[19:52:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sleepytail> here we go again lol
[19:52:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sleepytail> 502
[19:52:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to johnmcgurkus> Miraheze has been a favorite target of DDosers for a bit now
[19:53:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lieskryos> I wonder why
[19:54:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I think it's coming back?
[19:54:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> [1/2] ok thank god it aint just me
[19:54:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192919134825091122/image.png?ex=65aad385&is=65985e85&hm=5eed597b8d3246fa89234ad31551769351d45a75e275a84b532c668d644d9d6e&
[19:54:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> YES!
[19:54:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I'm back in
[19:55:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Yes. Things are coming back.
[19:57:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> ???
[19:58:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> it came back to normal, thankfully.
[20:26:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov, replying to pixldev> hi sorry, what does this mean exactly? im a bit new to this terminology :'D
[20:26:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[20:26:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> FANDOOM HIT A NEW LOW
[20:26:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192927207828496477/image.png?ex=65aadb09&is=65986609&hm=b78b5b3c848966cdd748f4f08e0e5b0a15d004dfc414e206890f98f1660d62d6&
[20:27:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> . . .
[20:27:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tedkalashnikov> Sorry- are you familiar with using templates?
[20:27:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> somehow i feel this isnt the place to talk about this topic with any level of casualness
[20:27:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yeah #offtopic
[20:27:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> oh ok
[20:28:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> but they're supporting terrorist organizations apparently now
[20:28:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to _alexios__> I'm sure they wouldn't risk the ad money
[20:28:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov, replying to pixldev> oh templates yes, i can make them i think haha, im just a little confused what the flow would be? sorry im not making too much sense
[20:29:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> our current setup is we have patch notes under their own headers on a subpage
[20:29:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> just in plain text
[20:29:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> well you can load other pages in the same way as templates
[20:29:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> id put whatever you wanna have on multible pages on Pagename/Patch_Notes
[20:29:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> than on anypage you want
[20:30:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> oh i see, would i have to put each seperate patch note block on its own subpage?
[20:30:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> then again i guess if i do that i can just use the template to put it back on the collective page
[20:30:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__, replying to agentisai> I'm sure they wouldn't risk their ad money on using generated ai on their wikis and replace articles with ads /s
[20:30:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> {{Main:Pagename/Patch_Notes}}
[20:30:27] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Main:Template:Pagename/Patch_Notes 
[20:30:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Main:Pagename/Patch_Notes?action=edit&redlink=1>
[20:30:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> wait no
[20:30:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> wake up miraheze got patch notes
[20:30:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> /silyl
[20:30:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tedkalashnikov> up too
[20:30:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> i think i get what you mean now! let me go tinker with it, thanks for the help
[20:31:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> @agentisai but hey, on-topic discussion now: is wikitide gonna merge with miraheze?
[20:31:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> if so, when
[20:31:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yup
[20:31:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> it is
[20:32:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to _alexios__> in the process of figuring the legal stuff
[20:32:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> ah ok
[20:32:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> we're finalizing the agreement shortly
[20:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> once done, the biggest changes will be servers as we move to faster servers
[20:32:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> and what will happen to the wikis?
[20:32:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> not much
[20:32:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> they'll get faster at most
[20:32:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__> they're just migrated automatically?
[20:32:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> they're not technically 'moving' to WikiTide
[20:32:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> WikiTide wikis are 'moving' back to Miraheze's base
[20:33:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> @pixldev sorry one last noob question, what function/module/etc do i use to grab text from another page?
[20:34:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> simple transclution in the same way templates work, in the source editor add `{{Namespace:Pagename}}` it defaults to a template so add main the namespace i think
[20:34:19] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Namespace:Template:Pagename 
[20:34:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> oh thank you!! somehow transclusion is something i never learnt in my FANDOM days bahaha, i really appreciate the help!
[20:35:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_alexios__, replying to agentisai> I know
[20:35:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tedkalashnikov> you prob did and just didn't know its called that
[20:35:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> yeah youre probably right, FANDOM hates big scary words like transclusion for some reason. LOL
[20:36:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64> Will the Miraheze/WikiTide situation end up like Outlook/Hotmail where people can choose two different subdomains for their wikis?
[20:37:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> You can transclude a subpage into the primary page with just `{{Page name/subpagename}}`.
[20:37:49] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Page_name/subpagename 
[20:38:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> is a template needed then? or can you just transclude it without?
[20:39:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> you can transclude any page
[20:39:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> it just defaults to template without a namespace
[20:39:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> oh i get you now!!
[20:39:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> so id want Main:[Page name here] ?
[20:40:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yea
[20:40:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> okay awesome
[20:40:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [[mw:Help:Transclution]]
[20:40:30] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Transclution
[20:40:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Transclution>
[20:40:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to tali64> That's still in the process of being determined and there's a lot in front of the queue to consider first
[20:41:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> we're primarily focusing on our new servers
[20:41:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> My bad. You can transclude subpages into the primary page with `{{/subpage}}`.
[20:41:12] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:/subpage 
[20:41:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> we had one delivered and the specs are just... wow
[20:42:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> hmm, it looks like even with the namespace it thinks im trying to include a template
[20:43:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to agentisai> yay wow or wtf wow
[20:43:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [1/4] `{{Main:Patch Notes/2 January 2024}}`
[20:43:22] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Main:Template:Patch_Notes/2_January_2024 
[20:43:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [2/4] the page exists at `/wiki/Patch Notes/2 January 2024`
[20:43:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [3/4] i probably missed something super basic
[20:43:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192931370792652871/image.png?ex=65aadeea&is=659869ea&hm=625412201ce0454a52fdcb9922620a624fb2b7fe8175454e648d051056c19a37&
[20:43:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to pixldev> wtf wow
[20:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> as in wtf this is possible????
[20:45:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to agentisai> so C: all of the above
[20:45:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2, replying to tedkalashnikov> Try` {{/2 January 2024}}`
[20:45:09] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:/2_January_2024 
[20:45:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tedkalashnikov> hm
[20:45:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> OH
[20:45:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> `{{:Patch_Notes/2_January_2024}}` worked
[20:45:17] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:Template:Patch_Notes/2_January_2024 
[20:45:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> as per the documentation. oops haha
[20:45:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Was gonna suggest that lmao
[20:45:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> main is strange. okay awesome, that works great
[20:45:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> mb
[20:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> youre good!
[20:45:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tedkalashnikov> ye
[20:46:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov, replying to jph2> also sorry, i had to include the primary page since this is being transcluded on the homepage haha, thank you though!!!
[21:04:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> anyone what happened with the poll about deciding the future of Miraheze?
[21:05:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to johnmcgurkus> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Reorganization_of_Miraheze
[21:05:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to pixldev> Thxs
[21:14:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to pixldev> Checked it, but seems there's no final verdict. Which option won? When the proper actions are going to start?
[21:14:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> there was
[21:14:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Option C won
[21:15:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> And merging is already underway
[21:15:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> #announcements
[21:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rushboy_> [1/2] 1. How do I add a coat of arms next to the flag in a infobox
[21:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rushboy_> [2/2] 2, How do I hyper link pages to words, and add a box of all the country pages at the bottom by continent
[21:16:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> 😟
[21:17:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> This means... Miraheze will die?
[21:17:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to johnmcgurkus> no lmao
[21:17:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> that was D
[21:17:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> We are merging with WikiTide
[21:17:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to johnmcgurkus> [1/4] Not at only, only the legal entity Miraheze Limited is going away.  The Miraheze brand remains.
[21:17:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to johnmcgurkus> [2/4] Two things are happening more or less in tandem right now:
[21:17:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to johnmcgurkus> [3/4] * Boards of MHL and WT are hashing out legal agreements for transfer
[21:17:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to johnmcgurkus> [4/4] * Setup of new hardware to supercharge MH is underway, more on that news soon
[21:17:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> Will emerge, therefore, it won't be called Miraheze anymore (?)
[21:17:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Porb will
[21:19:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> We also are working on a general FAQ to handle a lot of questions folks may have, hoping to have finishing touches and get that out very soon.
[21:19:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> lots to see still
[21:19:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> We're more focused on hardware at the moment
[21:19:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> everything else is ancillary
[21:19:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> The B option was going to move to Illinois. Which part of US is going to move with option C?
[21:20:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Idaho
[21:20:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to agentisai> Idaho? cool, misheard it was going to move to NY.
[21:21:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Nope, mostly picked because it's where we have volunteers available to represent the company if needed.
[21:22:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> hi, sorry to interrupt, is there a way to mass patrol edits? for a specific user or timeframe?
[21:22:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to notaracham> New York is collapsing, would be a fatal idea to move in there. Idaho is the best option.
[21:24:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to johnmcgurkus> wdym
[21:24:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to tedkalashnikov> [1/2] Nothing I'm aware of, but Fandom has this which might be adaptable with some work:
[21:24:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to tedkalashnikov> [2/2] https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/MassPatrol
[21:24:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> The only thing that grinds my gears from option C, is about the  premium offerings.
[21:25:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> How so?  They won't be part of the combined entity.
[21:25:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> As I could understood, premium offerings is something you get for the wiki if you pay a small fee. I'm against that.
[21:25:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> No, there won't be any fees for using wikis
[21:26:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> There was a proposal months ago to make a for-profit wing of Miraheze which would be used to fund Miraheze in case of budget shortfalls
[21:27:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> [1/2] Literally "Premium offerings" is a bad idea for Miraheze.
[21:27:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192942581210955776/image.png?ex=65aae95b&is=6598745b&hm=ad07e00be818f2447b9e74f6ba8ba33889ec71350d917f32acc196666d316136&
[21:28:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov, replying to notaracham> ooo thank you, this might be what im looking for. do i just stick <https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki:MassPatrol/code.js> on our wiki and then put it into MediaWiki:ImportJS ??
[21:28:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> or do i not need to import
[21:28:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to johnmcgurkus> Which is why the RfC failed
[21:28:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to pixldev> RfC? never heard about it.
[21:29:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Request for Comment
[21:29:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to pixldev> RfC passed by a landslide, no?
[21:29:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> for premium?
[21:29:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> It was just never implemented because of the June incident
[21:29:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> yeah
[21:29:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to tedkalashnikov> This is where you've gotten beyond my knowledge, but maybe one of our JS-savvy volunteers can assist.  I'd recommend maybe making a support thread since they tend to work different hours.
[21:29:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> oh
[21:29:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov, replying to notaracham> thats okay! in #support ?
[21:29:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Yes
[21:29:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> i forgot CSS/JS support existed lol
[21:30:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> soliciting JS volunteers:
[21:30:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> how many people have the role anyways
[21:30:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to agentisai> Talk about the June Incident, please. Since the last three years if the week, there were many new Wiki creators who joined Miraheze. I'm one of those new.
[21:30:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> its such a pain that mediawiki by default doesnt let you patrol all edits in one 'chunk' by the same user at once, haha
[21:31:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> The extent of my knowledge is 'futz with the code until it works based on how I know other code works', very much novice-level stuff
[21:31:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> maybe an FAQ should be made to inform people about the past 6 months
[21:31:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> otherwise, everything is hard to pinpoint and figure out
[21:31:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tedkalashnikov> best we got is autopatrol
[21:32:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> yeahh, im trying to make it easier for the other staff to know whats going on bc our wikis a high target for vandalism and poor edits, so im trying to patrol but its such tedium haha
[21:32:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to tedkalashnikov> Back in my wikipedia days, I was part of the patrolling. I just clicked on "Recent changes" and checked every changes in yellow color. Many used to patrol in different parts of the day. I used to patrol in the afternoon during 1 hour.
[21:33:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> man thats awesome. ive always been the token patroller on my FANDOM wikis when noone else would and chasing up edits and figuring out whats going on, its definitely a chore though. but it keeps wikis nice and clean
[21:34:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to agentisai> Would be better create a YT channel and make avideo about it. Just like Mossbag did it with their Fandom™ video.
[21:34:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> to be honest just reading the announceent here and the RfC i figured out what was going on, but i know some folk struggle with parsing that information
[21:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> The whole affair could probably be a 2 hour video
[21:35:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> and maybe trace it's roots to 2020
[21:35:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to tedkalashnikov> If you have many members on your wiki, you can coordinate with them. a group patrols in the morning, other in the afternoon, and the other at night. Always based on you team's schedule available.
[21:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> but anyway, we hope to publish a merger FAQ soon, pending some document signing
[21:36:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to agentisai> Resume with the important part. Otherwise, create Part 1, part 2, etc. Much better that making a text wall which no one will read.
[21:36:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Ehhh, it's really not worth rehashing at this point.
[21:36:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox, replying to agentisai> and slight change of ToS
[21:36:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> true
[21:37:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to johnmcgurkus> I say this bc the default Arial font is tiresome to follow with the eyes, there are other fonts which help keeping the attention when reading.
[21:37:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> you use change font with user css
[21:37:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> faq in calibri would be fantastic
[21:38:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Calibrates... for calibri
[21:38:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to agentisai> cao
[21:38:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> Well, if you ppl animate with the video, cool. I can help sharing it.
[21:38:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [1/4] i think for the end user its not that hard to summary, though. of course its been a wild ride for you guys but idk if the grisly details are super needed. it kind of amounts to:
[21:38:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [2/4] inter-team conflicts and general stress of running miraheze led to members of miraheze splitting and forming wikitide, some time passes, miraheze is struggling financially and in volunteer time, miraheze announces a closure, miraheze is saved from closure by some dedicated work, miraheze and wikitide make up their differences, miraheze asks the community whether to keep things
[21:38:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [3/4]  as they are, set up in the US, merge with wikitide or close, community votes to merge with wikitide, hooray the day is saved and miraheze gets new servers at some point
[21:38:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [4/4] thats what i gathered from my skimming, im sure a lot of details are wrong but its a situation ive seen before and im just glad you guys are working together in the face of FANDOM's downfall. thats all that really matters to me, that everyones okay and miraheze/wikitide's future is stable
[21:40:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [1/6] The absolutely shortest and most reductive version:
[21:40:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [2/6] * Everything was stressed, both resource-wise and interpersonally
[21:40:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [3/6] * Some of us wanted to try a different way of running things
[21:40:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [4/6] * Facts on the ground changed for MH
[21:40:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [5/6] * We figured out that the different way and the new way could work well together
[21:40:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [6/6] * Now we are building a stronger entity together
[21:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> i applaud you guys for figuring out your differences, a lot of teams wouldnt do that and thats why i personally have no qualms about the merger
[21:41:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to tedkalashnikov> That's actually pretty darn on the money and we may borrow it with some reframing for the FAQ
[21:41:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> haha go right ahead! i dont mind
[21:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to notaracham> Look what we have! the bullet points for the possible video! it can be a good start.
[21:42:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> We're volunteers, nobody's got time for that. 😄
[21:42:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I appreciate the enthusiasm though.
[21:42:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> Btw... Does Miraheze has YT channel.
[21:43:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> CRAZY WIKI DRAMA? [THEY ALMOST CLOSED]
[21:43:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> bats away clickbait w/ broom
[21:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to notaracham> [1/2] Well, the Miraheze staff can do something haha. Or at least volunteers.
[21:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to notaracham> [2/2] Two or four creates the script.
[21:43:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tedkalashnikov> https://tenor.com/view/mara-she-ra-mara-she-ra-broom-smack-adoragoddess-gif-18989306
[21:43:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> One will use their voice
[21:43:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> OW
[21:43:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> hahahaha
[21:44:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> >:3
[21:44:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> one or two will make the edition
[21:46:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> or we can leave it to the new Miraheze staff 😁
[21:46:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [1/2] The reality is, we've got limited time, resources, and expertise -- we're not a video content creation team.  Our time is better spent on making the best service possible for y'all now that this is the path forward.  
[21:46:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [2/2] Your suggestion is valued, but we really don't have the team to execute on it in the way we'd like to present ourselves, even with community assistance.
[21:47:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to notaracham> Understood. Don't worry, maybe in a future.
[21:48:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <alphappy> yea I feel like people who work with wikis, which are predominantly text, probably would prefer a text explanation anyway
[21:48:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> true
[21:48:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> Also, i'm really mad bc the Mediawiki:Special permissions are limited, which are many others which needs to be added.
[21:49:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <alphappy> I would only prefer a video if it was well-made
[21:49:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to alphappy> <:ellenCry:968288698389123112> I still occasionally have part of a 1/4th of my screen available for a video, sometimes 1/6th.
[21:49:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> If you have suggestions on additional settings you'd like exposed in ManageWiki, please do feel to submit them via https://phabricator.miraheze.org/
[21:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus, replying to alphappy> The edition can be simple; as long they illustrate the script. The important way is the voice: How it talks to keep ppl attentive to it.
[21:50:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> We've got a backlog to work through given the last few months, but we're optimistic we'll be able to start working on enhancements at some point in 2024
[22:12:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <imogen__> [1/2] Hey quick question, how do i modify permissions attached to an existing group?
[22:12:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <imogen__> [2/2] I know there's Special:ListGroupRights but it only lists the permissions
[22:13:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to imogen__> under ManageWiki
[22:13:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Special:ManageWiki/permissions, select the group and click submit.
[22:14:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <imogen__> just what i was looking for. thanks both!
[22:19:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <imogen__> Anyone else getting 503 Backend fetch failed?
[22:19:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> a g a i n?
[22:19:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesohnlandgov, replying to imogen__> me here
[22:19:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesohnlandgov> again
[22:20:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesohnlandgov> <:Canon_Event:1159703593876729958>
[22:21:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @Site Reliability Engineers
[22:22:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to imogen__> me too
[22:22:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to imogen__> Everything appears to be fine for me
[22:22:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> works for me
[22:22:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> im getting 503
[22:22:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> I just spent like five minutes typing out an image description- will it be gone now ):
[22:22:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> works here
[22:22:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tweatz> i got 503 too
[22:22:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Nothing is logging as down
[22:22:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Grafana shows mem131 to be fine
[22:22:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> oop, it works now
[22:23:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> oh yeah, working for me now
[22:23:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> i have ym like bug info from the bottom of the page if you guys need it
[22:23:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> but it didn't save 😭
[22:23:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [1/3] > > Error 503 Backend fetch failed, forwarded for [my ip], 127.0.0.1
[22:23:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [2/3] > > (Varnish XID 422583710) via cp25.miraheze.org at Fri, 05 Jan 2024 22:22:15 GMT.
[22:23:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [3/3] incase its useful
[22:24:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I'm not able to replicate that
[22:24:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Is a db down or something?
[22:24:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Meta is up
[22:24:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Maybe one was temporarily but icinga didn't indicate
[22:25:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Absolutely nothing indicated as down from icinga in IRC
[22:25:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> maybe only affects certain regions/cp*'s?
[22:25:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> im in the UK if that helps
[22:25:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> It still would have indicated down from icinga I'd think
[22:26:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Unless it was not long enough
[22:26:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> what I missed
[22:26:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> gone now for me- only lasted about a minute
[22:26:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> an error
[22:26:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> yeah same here, very short
[22:26:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> 503
[22:27:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesohnlandgov> my site is back again, 503 message went away
[22:27:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I'm guessing it was Swift's fault
[22:27:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> i didn't get a 503
[22:27:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> and i'm in the UK
[22:27:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> was it? Swift never seems to not be yelling errors in IRC so
[22:27:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Swift wouldn't bring MediaWiki down
[22:27:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> im NW england if that narrows it down any further
[22:28:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Swift proxies through mw so would that mean that if Swift takes too long to reply to mw, more connections are open for longer which overloads mw*?
[22:28:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> that wouldn't, you'd be going through cp24/25 (London)
[22:28:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> you don't mean Taylor, do you?
[22:28:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> :o strange then
[22:28:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> no lmao
[22:28:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox, replying to agentisai> it would impact everyone tho
[22:28:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> <:thonk:1021736285834068009>
[22:28:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to agentisai> Potentially but it wouldnt affect only some in that case
[22:28:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> neitherless the swift goes via nginx
[22:28:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> so connections would pile up
[22:29:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> it's not like gluster
[22:30:00] <pixDeVl>	 maybe the servers just went a bit wack for a second
[22:30:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Only thing I can think of is some temporary interruption in either cp or db for it to only affect some
[22:30:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (dang my first time using irc)
[22:30:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to cosmicalpha> a hiccup basically
[22:31:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Technical indigestion
[22:32:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> miraheze threw a tantrum for 1 minute and now its fine
[22:32:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> bit cranky
[22:48:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> Can anyone help me with this issue I'm having? Posted here:
[22:48:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <johnmcgurkus> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1183523804702584852
[22:53:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> Hey guys, i was trying to change my favicon+logo, could someone check and see if it loads? It should look like a bunch of black circles against a white background- I'm decapedia. Should come up if you just search "decapedia miraheze", or I've got the link in my description thingy