[00:08:55] Refreshing the page a few times or checking in a different browser normally works [00:09:35] clear the cache [00:09:42] Or that [00:16:29] I don't see your favicon/logo being set to what I think you're trying to set them to [00:16:44] In https://decapedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-styling, they're still set to the default [00:19:34] [1/3] To make sure we're on the same page, what you'll need to do is: [00:19:35] [2/3] * Go to the page you want to use as the logo [00:19:35] [3/3] * Click the link labeled 'Original File' or the image on that page [00:20:40] After that, it'll take a few minutes but should start appearing everwhere. [00:41:01] [1/2] hello its me again, is there a way i can make discord embeds take the image from the infoboxes? [00:41:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1192991176165437500/image.png?ex=65ab169d&is=6598a19d&hm=e76081d81f8c971e1f99458171e3410b685e5e10f05e65995f8bd4d7ba861df3& [00:41:07] rn its just taking our site logo [00:45:03] can someone confirm if the wiki is put in closed status core settings the notice says that it was automatical per dormancy policy? [00:45:48] because if it is it's quite confusing/misleading [00:46:58] There's no distinction [00:47:02] It indeed is very odd [00:49:21] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/980350313645092884 [00:49:48] Infoboxes and wikiSEO don't play great, but you can manually assign the embed image using WikiSEO [00:52:38] OO thank you very much [01:18:08] It's been a long time since we've had a Miraheze Meeting [01:21:07] https://tenor.com/view/among-us-emergency-meeting-yeet-shaking-triggered-gif-24737468 [01:28:28] That's fun. Last meeting was in June [01:28:38] We should definitely schedule one soon [01:52:02] I totally forgot those used to be a thing xD [02:11:15] site is very slow [02:57:35] I noticed that many links on the Miraheze wikis no longer have "w/index.php?title=" in their URLs, as with the ones modified in https://phabricator.miraheze.org/R9:c5216d475297930b8b9f272b37f33eb2f9ff1713. [03:00:41] I changed that today. By normalizing URLs it will help SEO somewhat, and, in the long term help performance by allowing to cache one version of the normalized URL. If we really don't want we can disable for certain wikis I suppose. [03:12:56] Looking for help resolving a country infobox issue if anyone could lend some assistance that would be sick [03:36:24] Added comments on your support thread, it looks like you're executing the code to call a template in an article and provide variables to it, but you don't have the actual template set up on your new wiki. [03:52:15] getting 503 backend fetch errors [03:52:32] < / 3 right when i was trying to upload my glyphs [03:52:42] nvm its fixed [04:34:48] so how does discussiontools work [07:20:53] I just made my first template and now I love templates. [07:30:59] Congrats, it can really become quite the rabbit hole once you start bringing in more and more advanced features. [07:51:06] [1/3] see noticeboard pages on Meta wiki [07:51:06] [2/3] it's like talk pages but w/ nicer text box [07:51:07] [3/3] see pages I linked earlier as examples [08:49:07] Ah, okay, I think I accidentally started from the "Https" bit of the URL. Thank you so much! [08:53:45] You'll want the full URL including the https bit, it just looks like your ManageWiki changes didn't save originally. [08:55:18] Oh, okay, I'll re-add the https then [09:03:42] Hey! I was wondering if there's a way to force a list of users, or even all users, to be logged out of my wiki? [09:04:30] thus forcing them to re-login [09:28:51] good news: logo/favicon are now working! I had a couple errors but I can see them! I immediately dislike them lol but at least we've got smth. [10:34:54] [1/2] continuing on the topic, closure by bureau indeed makes wiki eligible for deletion? [10:34:54] [2/2] if the wiki needs to be read only but still up, only stewards can do this? [13:41:20] If a wiki is closed by any means it will be eligible for deletion if not marked as exempt. [14:32:14] Do we have issues again on all the wiki's? [14:32:24] Got a 502 and 503 [14:33:01] Ah Never mind. It's back up again [14:33:22] All looks fine [14:52:29] Hey I asked earlier but how can I add a coat of arms next to a flag in a infobox? [14:54:46] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Gallery_tag like this? [14:56:01] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1192546599419777184 [15:20:01] I think so. It's where the two images are right next to each other. [15:20:18] Yea, a little slider as well [15:34:01] I'm not sure how we missed clarifying that in the DP but yes, wikis closed in any manner (whether by Steward, automatically by DP or by a local bureaucrat) follow the DP timeline and eventually get deleted [18:58:39] Anyone knows a good visually and organised wiki? I am having a bit difficulty starting out.. [19:01:20] [1/5] Your mileage will vary, but a few examples from wikis that have had time to ideate (and one of my own): [19:01:20] [2/5] https://runescape.wiki/ [19:01:20] [3/5] https://slimerancher.fandom.com/wiki/Slime_Rancher_Wiki [19:01:21] [4/5] https://dragontamer.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [19:01:21] [5/5] https://farthestfrontier.wiki/wiki/Farthest_Frontier_Community_Wiki [19:02:46] By the way, I am having a bit of a difficulty, where is the add page button?? [19:02:48] rs.wiki is a blessing [19:02:59] [1/2] I see literally everything but adding a page XD [19:02:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1193268493290836088/image.png?ex=65ac18e2&is=6599a3e2&hm=b826891705d5c9d55b1ff0f47ae5c130331c8b8d0840cd0d1e6249b34f3c209e& [19:03:02] I don't even like Runescape but browsing that wiki is so ephemeral [19:03:04] Thanks for the help [19:03:25] You can go to yourwiki.miraheze.com/wiki/nameofpage [19:03:35] Replacing yourwiki and nameofpage with your subdomain and the name of page you want to create [19:03:47] ooo [19:03:56] [1/2] I see now [19:03:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1193268735847452752/image.png?ex=65ac191c&is=6599a41c&hm=6296bc417df9a66eb6973b238296fcd63557a4f9484a84be5b83ab565667f176& [19:03:59] thanks for the help [19:04:28] That works universally to create pages (or subpages). Other ways involve creating interwiki link like [[pagename]] on a page, then clicking that red link to be taken there. [19:04:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/pagename [19:04:29]

[19:04:39] It's a great way to create links to pages you know you'll want later. [19:04:56] By the way, 1 more thing, I want to create my own "skin" for the wiki, with css being changed and such, are there any tutorials/template in youtube/github? [19:05:41] can we have something like "create new page" button across all skins? [19:06:12] as gadget, or extension ... or miraheze's own custom thingy [19:07:15] the usual process is - inspect element you want to modify, toy around it in browser's web tools, then apply changes on skin specific CSS page [19:07:35] if you use legacy Vector skin that would be `MediaWiki:Vector.css` page [19:08:21] as for CSS itself - plenty of free tutorials online, W3Schools and Mozilla Foundation probably being the most well known [19:08:26] There is a create page extension which allows you to drop a button anywhere you like, including the homepage [19:09:40] oi congrats Og [19:11:25] Skins are a skeleton for how your site is laid out and are much more complicated to construct, Miraheze offers several out-of-box, along with even more that can potentially be enabled under Special:ManageWiki/extensions#mw-section-skins [19:12:37] I am just looking to do smth like the new minecraft wiki [19:12:45] [1/2] The general approach is find one with the layout you want, e.g. Cosmos if you're looking for something similar to fandom with top-navigation, Tweeki or Citizen for more modern UI. [19:12:45] [2/2] From there, you can change the appearance with a mix of CSS and the settings found under Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-styling [19:12:46] Stylized wiki in the style of the game [19:12:54] But no clue where to start [19:13:10] Minecraft Wiki is on legacy Vector w/ CSS modification [19:13:33] Pizza Tower Wiki is on Timeless skin, also mostly CSS changes [19:13:44] but the process is what I said previously [19:14:03] I see [19:14:26] start w/ bigger stuff like background [19:14:28] How would you recommend I start things? [19:14:38] wdym exactly [19:14:44] the wiki as a whole? [19:14:57] Yes [19:17:13] What's the subject? [19:17:22] It's a video game [19:17:39] Am I allowed to link the wiki? [19:18:01] yes but you need to /auth w/ bot to post any links here [19:18:30] I guess you'll need to start w/ an article about the game itself, try to create a list of its elements, like list of enemies, objects [19:19:24] you'll later need to create templates you might need for articles about those elements, and figure out categorization [19:19:30] then steadily create articles [19:21:24] I tried to authenticate [19:21:29] waiting for the api [19:21:41] try in 15 min again, it's a bit buggy [19:21:45] alright [19:22:13] I was thinking of getting some volunteers from my community to collect every single information, then get a 2D designer to make some widgets and then start making the articles [19:22:48] looking for volunteers just like that might be a hard task [19:23:06] I will get some staff, and just give them in game currency as a thank you [19:23:20] even in a steady community not everyone actually want to edit a wiki, speaking from experience [19:23:35] editing a wiki =/= collecting info [19:23:54] but yeah I feel you, this also seems like a nuisance to me [19:24:01] oh that's another thing I guess <:pupCoffeeMH:766487840694599711> [19:24:08] But yes, to Legroom's point, working on setting up a background, getting a basic framework in place of pages you want to create and how they should be organized, is the first big step. [19:24:29] when you say background, like a background image? [19:24:40] or am I missing a reference [19:24:44] Building a natural volunteer group out of an existing community (as well as randos that come to your wiki for info) is the best way to drive organic growth from there. [19:24:47] Yes, background image. [19:25:08] If a wiki looks abandoned or barely set up, it's hard to get folks invested in continuing to build it. [19:25:47] Exactly this [19:26:38] I really really liked the stardew valley and terraria wikis [19:26:45] [1/3] So things to think about: [19:26:45] [2/3] * Is there any natural hierarchy or categorization to the pages you need to build for the game? [19:26:46] [3/3] * How should these be surfaced on the main page in a logical way for folks to drill down to what they need? [19:26:48] they change the whole look of wikis [19:27:11] Natural hierarchy.. [19:27:21] [1/2] there's no ready lists of web elements or instructions on how to modify skins, but you might check CSS code of some customized wiki's as examples and see what works for you [19:27:21] [2/2] on another hand, there's at least one skin which lets you to set up basic stuff like theme designer on Fandom - it's Cosmos, which is a port of previous Wikia skin [19:27:22] Don't really think so... [19:27:48] oh, Terraria Wiki [19:27:54] its CSS is terrifying lol [19:27:59] What's the type of game we're discussing? [19:28:11] Dungeon Rampage [19:28:19] it's a dungeon crawler with hack and slash combat [19:28:51] We are remaking the project due to it being shut down, this year the alpha version is getting released and I think having a wiki will be a good help for the players [19:29:02] plus, the fandom was is griefed and unreliable [19:29:44] [1/5] Alright, so depending on how deep the gameplay is, I can see a few natural hierarchies or key pages: [19:29:44] [2/5] *Classes [19:29:45] [3/5] *Equipment/Drops (if relevant to your game) [19:29:45] [4/5] *Enemies [19:29:45] [5/5] *Locations [19:30:07] You may also want an about cluster of pages, with things like developer, version history, link to game [19:30:21] I am not really worried about the organisation of it, cause I am doing a GDD of the game [19:30:43] but mostly about having a nice wiki that people like watching and feel compelled to use [19:31:42] Yep, the reason I'm mentioning hierarchy is that becomes a usability consideration -- if folks can't find what they need, they won't be compelled to use it. Sounds like you've already gotten that part figured out via the design doc, though. [19:33:23] [1/4] Moving back to the stardew valley wiki example, you can see the code behind their main page by going to: [19:33:24] [2/4] https://www.stardewvalleywiki.com/Stardew_Valley_Wiki [19:33:24] [3/4] Since they're using a heavily customized version of the vector skin, you can see the CSS they're using here: [19:33:24] [4/4] https://www.stardewvalleywiki.com/MediaWiki:Vector.css [19:34:00] damn it is all public?? [19:35:06] Yep, this is true for most wikis, you just need to know where to look. [19:35:26] If you're not especially familiar with CSS and don't understand what something is doing, https://www.w3schools.com/Css/ can be a good resource to get you started. [19:36:29] But our CSS volunteers are always here to help as best they can if you have specific CSS questions. They won't craft a site's worth of CSS for you, but can help point you in the right direction to solve problems. [19:37:24] I am familar with css/html/js, and have used them in the past, just prefer markdown with pre-made styles [19:40:17] that's the template part [19:40:35] but if we speak about skin modification - raw stuff [19:41:11] unless it's Cosmos [19:51:12] Now that OA's SRE, what will happen to Telepedia? [19:57:21] Nothing [19:57:25] correct me if I'm wrong, but the DT&S would be assigned the T&S role and be empowered to edit policy pages as needed, correct? [19:57:27] Him being SRE means absolutely nothing [19:57:43] Should be able to, yes [19:58:27] Harej filed a request for sysop on Meta in order to edit policy pages as DT&S and treasurer for the Board - but I thought the T&S role would cover that anyway so sysop was unneeded [20:00:43] Ye that should be refused [20:01:05] Harej should be assigned trustandsafety [20:01:34] He needs a `(Miraheze)` account [20:01:39] Yes [20:01:47] yup - that's what I thought [20:01:52] do Board members get those too? [20:02:05] Once he has an MH email, he gets an MH wiki account matching [20:02:09] or just T&S (I don't see a `Board` role on Meta) [20:02:23] It's by request [20:02:34] And the new board have the power to request a role if needed [20:02:42] Or we can manage with abuse filters [20:02:58] Or just grant sysop for sole purpose of official duties [20:03:02] Many possibilities [20:03:18] But a community election isn't the way to request rights for a legal duty [20:03:28] yep - this was my thought [20:03:44] if a sysop right is needed for a Board member to execute their duties, it doesn't really matter if the community approves it or not [20:10:24] For those in here, the request has been removed and proper process advised [20:15:09] Official account created 👍 [20:15:39] (not by me though obviously, :p) [20:15:58] Yes [20:19:14] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1193287682781085706/image.png?ex=65ac2ac1&is=6599b5c1&hm=9f34d709e631709e6b1fc6bcbc822bb9fddf214b85417131f379922235c5f9a8& [20:19:24] Decent layout or too overused? [20:20:05] @bwm0 I reverted you [20:20:21] Miraheze Limited hasn't filed notice to disolve yet to my knowledge [20:20:29] So they aren't previous directors [20:20:44] No - but per the page edited by Owen, WikiTide Foundation assumed control [20:21:01] so it would be previous for Miraheze, the platform, not Miraheze, the company [20:21:18] I don't think just tagging Previous is clear [20:21:35] They are the previous holders of the company assets not just previous directors [20:21:36] that's fair [20:21:52] tried to clarify that by noting that there were still current directors [20:22:12] Miraheze Limited likely won't file to closue until 2025 [20:22:22] Which legally until the registrar dissolves Miraheze, they are still directors of Miraheze Limited [20:22:32] @owenrb can I ask why? [20:22:32] [1/2] @rhinosf1 this is how I tried to have it look [20:22:33]