[00:08:40] mood [00:12:43] Is this a good time to move to miraheze or should we wait until things settle down a little [00:13:20] So will WikiTide wikis remain open [00:14:56] Now's as good a time as ever [00:15:37] So will WikiTide wikis remain open [00:17:14] yeah, the servers never stop running, the wiki requests are handled steadily, the dump imports, including file ones, sure will be more speedy [01:21:56] man i have missed a lot [02:09:54] It's been a busy few weeks! [02:10:26] every time i take a small break, it seems like something significant happens [02:13:51] i have a wikitide wiki, so whatll happen with that? [02:18:43] merged to Miraheze eventually afaik [02:21:33] [1/4] FAQ coming soon, but essentially: [02:21:33] [2/4] * New server goes up, Miraheze wikis move there first. [02:21:33] [3/4] * Once things are stable, WikiTide wikis move there too. [02:21:34] [4/4] * No change to your URL. [03:11:48] [1/2] This is a new error [03:11:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1193391511941955705/Screenshot_20240106_211133_Firefox.jpg?ex=65ac8b74&is=659a1674&hm=fd5e98013c91fba0547f12d89f02684e9bd1881f3da9c9a4054c6431a6a9b5c7& [03:14:15] [1/2] for some reason this error is only happening on my oblasia wiki? [03:14:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1193392125400850592/image.png?ex=65ac8c06&is=659a1706&hm=411f10d5f1ef0882fb54116687d991818e092e0bc7f7a4ace0ce4e9a103d1658& [03:14:19] because it's not happening on my other wikis [03:15:44] [1/2] Now that you mention it... [03:15:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1193392498219958333/Screenshot_20240106_211523_Firefox.jpg?ex=65ac8c5f&is=659a175f&hm=f009d49b6435220053e2c9ba063e0b5ed3c0f0da9f8f043a81cb265fbf926e20& [03:16:30] i saw a wiki and the error pop up [03:17:09] [1/2] idek if its happening on select wikis because it isn't even doing it for my other 2 wikis [03:17:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1193392855276847124/image.png?ex=65ac8cb4&is=659a17b4&hm=b081088ddc89dac11591a56a814bdafc40c4899f550cad4571b97d9a29f704cf& [03:17:32] Looks like a DB issue [03:20:03] oh mah gawd its down [03:21:20] i swear whenever i get extremely motivated to edit it always goes down <:droidcry:1126190447178567681><:droidcry:1126190447178567681><:droidcry:1126190447178567681> [03:22:33] I was just editing two pages in my wiki and it went down 😔 [03:22:45] db142 is down [03:22:53] For how long? [03:23:35] Not sure [03:23:44] Been starting for the last 15 minutes [03:23:58] oh [03:24:03] It's stuck starting? [03:24:17] I think it's slow to start because cloud14's disk is abysmal [03:24:23] ah [03:25:16] It OOM'd so it should be fine once it gets back. I think the OOM may have been aggravated by the backup script as that was running when I checked just now. [03:26:20] dang ya got a doulble promotion [03:26:27] cheater!11!!1! [03:26:28] classic cloud14 [03:26:32] (jk) [03:26:42] this i slike a fucking sitcom [03:27:25] now it's loading but its taking forever 2 load [03:27:41] Oops! A server shat itself and took dwn production! CLASSIC Cliud 14 [03:28:02] I mean, that's true of almost all current cloud* servers tbh [03:28:07] It's not the best hardware [03:28:19] Someone described it as being on terminal life support [03:28:29] https://tenor.com/view/comedy-comedia-la-comedia-funny-laugh-gif-21522670 [03:28:39] more accurate not as funny [03:37:07] well it's no longer giving me this but now it's giving 504 gateway time-outs [03:37:27] i think its only happening on certain wikis [05:01:46] With the merger, are the "subdomain.wikitide.org" URLs going to change into "subdomain.miraheze.org" URLs or not? Also, what will happen with meta.wikitide.org? [05:04:56] WikiTide subdomains won't be change [05:05:03] as for WikiTide Meta, that'll be archived [07:10:56] meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Fundraiser crypto wallet? [07:14:06] We used to but there was very little usage of it [07:14:58] <.labster> Looks like 1108-Kiju has enough votes to become a Steward after only 4 months. [07:17:52] <.labster> I hope the next stewards are elected faster. [07:30:13] I hope miraheze stays alive, I dont want to go back to fandom [07:30:21] So do I! [07:33:16] Does donating to the WikiTide Discord server also count as supporting Miraheze? Or is it not that financially integrated? [07:33:20] its filled with too many ads [07:33:55] Donating to the WikiTide Discord? [07:34:14] Yee, via the Server Subscriptions. [07:34:26] oh heh, didn't realize we had that on [07:34:32] yep, donating there counts \:) [07:34:34] Thank you! [07:34:50] Lol cool! :) Ta [07:36:09] fandom is so restrictive with custom css and poor moderation, i ❤️ miraheze, respect to the devs behind it [07:36:46] Donated. <3 Cheers to a better future. [07:36:57] Thank you! [07:37:52] I would 10/10 recommend Miraheze to friends [07:39:41] new pages aren't marked for translation yet? [07:40:29] (probably pedantic but I'm genuinely confused by the use of "viewers" in "our daily viewers." Not sure what it's meant there) [07:40:55] we calculated there's around 600,000 unique people per day who visit Miraheze [07:41:00] oh [07:41:09] huh [07:41:11] i see! [07:41:38] :O [07:41:53] i didn't know exactly what group of people "viewers" could refer to, since I'm used to seeing that word in the context of video streaming. Thanks for clarifying! [07:42:40] changed it to visitors [07:42:47] maybe that'll help make more sense [07:43:25] i donated ^^ [07:44:12] ngl I really don't want miraheze.org URL to change, it would be a pain to present it again to communities all over again despite redirect [07:44:41] it's pretty established [07:45:14] I can't imagine that would happen? [07:45:42] If it were to change, old links would redirect to the new domain or you could choose to keep your old one. [07:45:42] especially because the entire point of WikiTide acquisition is stability [07:56:20] Just donated. [07:56:24] Is there going to be a new Miraheze and WikiTide server in one [07:56:38] Thank you all for your generosity! [07:57:21] Is there going to be a new Miraheze and WikiTide Discord server in one [07:57:23] If you're referring to discord server, we'll likely be decommissioning the current WT server and directing folks here. Nothing decided for certain yet, but we'll make an announcement ahead of that. [07:57:47] Can't give much, but I hope it helps. [07:58:00] Everything matters, thank you! [07:58:04] So WikiTide domains are going to remain the same [07:58:11] yes [07:58:55] can i get the donor role (my github is linked which is where i donated from if that's needed) [08:00:29] I might donate later [08:07:16] hopefully miraheze grows [08:07:27] and goes fast as it wants to be [08:12:28] I hope so too! It's an exciting time for Miraheze, and the modernized hardware in the works should give us a fantastic basis to grow from. [08:15:14] is there any replacement to the ReplaceText extension, since that got disabled a while ago? [08:17:29] MassEditRegex is the closest [08:38:18] is wikitide part of the us or still in uk [08:39:29] US [08:43:07] wow i need to follow us copyright law now [08:43:08] they think I'm going to donate to the sister of the paid hosting site [08:43:29] I would jump off a building over donate to wikitide [08:44:25] complete shitstorm if I see one myself [08:47:30] where do I add custom css? [08:48:47] MediaWiki:Common.css? [08:49:34] thanks [08:51:40] Np [09:03:11] Hey, you're entitled to your opinion but no allusions to self harm in chat, please. [09:04:07] ig now we know why I didn't donate [09:12:19] [1/2] the biggest change is that you can got w/ fair use instead of UK's more strict fair dealing [09:12:19] [2/2] as for copyright take downs, there already were such cases before (from US based copyright owners), and it can be appealed and/or fixed [09:13:11] I think people make it too big deal [09:13:30] after all Fandom is also based in US [09:14:21] amd mind you, the copyright/licence literacy of typical Fandom user is zero compared to Miraheze encouraging you to use license templates on files [09:15:12] License templates are a must to properly credit the file. [09:15:40] Indeed [09:16:09] Wikimedia Commons uses license templates on files as well, as well as Wikipedias that allow Fair Use-like licenses. [09:21:21] [1/2] Fandom users don't really care about copyright, after all, Fandom wikis are mainly for entertainment (games, TV shows, etc.), and Fandom itself also doesn't really care much about copyright infringement. There's an unspoken and unwritten rule on Fandom that copyrighted material is displayed to better visualize what the articles are about. Kind of like the Wikipedia, one might argu [09:21:22] [2/2] e that falls under Fair Use or Fair Dealing. But does it really? It's a kind of shady gray area. [09:23:12] I can now update my fair use templates lol [09:24:16] There's an argument to be had about Fandom complying with the Fair Use exemption [09:38:42] Fandom has its own problems, like aggresive advertising and bloating the page with forced ads, that I don't like to use Fandom anymore. [09:41:14] [1/2] Many wikis even migrated elsewhere, but due to the Fandom rules, they can't close their old Fandom wiki and migrate somewhere else, so it essentially splits the content between two wikis. One wiki is the old one, the Fandom one, which essentially stops updating and becomes obsolete and outdated, and the new wiki, the free one, that has newer content. As an example: [Minecraft wiki [09:41:14] [2/2] ](https://minecraft.wiki/). [09:45:22] it's an old story we all know here, after all a third? big wave of fandom migrations is now happening [09:45:50] In Germany there is a law which allows the usage of copyrighted material for informational porpuses [09:46:19] And I'm not surprised. Fandom has become a pain in the butt. [09:46:31] first would be the Oasis skin release which prompted first Warcraft Wiki migration in 2010 [09:47:06] then 2021 Fandom Desktop + mass deletion of inappropriate" wikis" [09:47:20] Its because of the "stop using fandom" video and fandom removing international wiki representants - my guess. [09:47:40] indeed, btw I'm one of Pizza Tower Wiki admins lol [09:47:42] Basically Fandom doing counterproductive things [09:48:22] the global ban of MCW and wiki.gg links is still hilarious though [09:49:44] I have a neat Chrome extension that replaces Fandom wiki links with free wiki variants in search results if it finds some. [09:49:45] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/615786602454581249/1176239566517186651 [09:49:55] Indie Wiki Buddy yes [09:50:01] we all suggest use it [09:50:28] it's now accepting wiki.gg wikis so you won't have to run two add-ons [10:14:39] weird gloop 🙏 [10:15:07] the rs wikis migration away from fandom was great, took forever for them to overtake fandoms seo though [10:15:38] I use a browser extension that replaces the links. [10:16:10] And when I click on the Fandom link, it redirects me. [10:17:44] You can't even have a custom domain for your wiki on Fandom, they force you to use `whatever.fandom.com` - instead of `whatever.wiki` or pretty much any other TLD. [10:17:44] I mean yeah but this was 2018, someone made one specifically for osrs/rs3 because to my knowledge its the first one of that size thats gone fully independent [10:19:31] Can we please stop bashing fandom in here? Stick to positives of Miraheze rather than negatives of others. This isn't a political debate. [10:19:50] fandom is incredibly hostile and predatory [10:20:11] Why don't you talk about how amazing Miraheze is instead [10:20:38] you can do multiple [10:21:07] And I'm saying one is more productive and a better use of breath [10:37:16] Hey there! [10:37:24] Still got a problem with Special Pages. [10:37:31] WantedPages for example is empty. [10:37:47] Still no solution? 😦 [10:37:48] Everything ok here? [10:37:55] Hmm [10:37:56] Yeah, fine. [10:38:11] What have you already tried to resolve the issue? [10:38:28] Relogging, but it's not working. [10:39:01] Ok. Likely what needs to happen is someone on the sysadmin team needs to run a script to update special pages [10:39:17] Yeah. Maybe. [10:39:32] It’s pretty early for most of them right now unfortunately [10:39:39] And before ya ask... It's not Private, ofc. [10:39:50] What wiki is it? [10:39:50] What do you need? [10:40:47] Almost 4AM and I should sleep but I can do something real quick if I can get our servers to cooperate. It's been driving me crazy all day... [10:40:58] Just a quick updatespecial pages [10:41:03] Hopefully [10:41:49] Ah... and what wiki? [10:41:52] @miziol7 [10:42:05] Nice that you talk about the minecraft wiki fork. I'm one of there admins 😅 [10:42:47] [1/2] as much as we are all hate fandom here the amount of times we had this same convos here is just a lot, and for old members is already quite tiring, while mossbag vid summarized most of the stuff nicely there is barely any need [10:42:48] [2/2] and indeed, let's take a look at the future of Miraheze [10:43:52] @cosmicalpha https://blizzard.miraheze.org/ [10:44:00] Based on scroll back [10:44:03] Doing [10:45:06] Am I supposed to not have bureaucrat on a wiki I just got? [10:45:26] No you should [10:45:31] there's a bug [10:45:32] [1/2] Guess I don't [10:45:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1193505694750625902/image.png?ex=65acf5cb&is=659a80cb&hm=7f42560be41f30ad59b7de3e20edeedea428c955717c5a3fe4be4ad7494b6342& [10:45:56] I mean yeah I was just moreso trying to say that runescape/weird gloop was the first large scale game wiki that was independent I encountered and its great to see more going that way (and bgo but that was a year or so after) [10:45:59] [1/18] Why will nothing work right today... [10:45:59] [2/18] ```ps [10:45:59] [3/18] mwscript updateSpecialPages.php blizzardwiki [10:45:59] [4/18] Will execute: [10:46:00] [5/18] sudo -u www-data php /srv/mediawiki/1.40/maintenance/run.php /srv/mediawiki/1.40/maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php --wiki=blizzardwiki [10:46:00] [6/18] Type 'Y' to confirm: y [10:46:00] [7/18] Statistics [callback] [a852c2b7086eaf4f6cdda91d] [no req] [10:46:01] [8/18] TypeError: Unsupported operand types: string * int [10:46:01] [9/18] Backtrace: [10:46:01] [10/18] from /srv/mediawiki/1.40/includes/deferred/SiteStatsUpdate.php(187) [10:46:02] [11/18] #0 /srv/mediawiki/1.40/maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php(163): SiteStatsUpdate::cacheUpdate(Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef) [10:46:02] [12/18] #1 /srv/mediawiki/1.40/maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php(50): UpdateSpecialPages->doSpecialPageCacheUpdates(Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef) [10:46:02]