[00:45:05] First time I do this in my life [00:45:14] But i did my part, I donated [00:46:37] https://tenor.com/view/snake-mgs-mgs3-metal-gear-solid-che-gif-793405683592836141 [00:48:59] [1/3] I'll help the first 20 people interested in how to earn $100k within 72hours but you will reimburse me 10% of your dividend when you collect it. Note: only interested people should send a friend request or send me a dm! asking me HOW! Or contact via WhatsApp, [00:48:59] [2/3] 👇 [00:48:59] [3/3] +1 (508) 214‑8755 [01:28:08] pluh [01:58:22] [1/3] does anyone know what this is? got this email and it just led to the public test wiki to this page [01:58:22] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194097804482707466/image.png?ex=65af1d3d&is=659ca83d&hm=48fb228ad3c1a21315c4ca3a8575086685dcf6605b0c232be17078f29e5037c4& [01:58:22] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194097804721791036/image.png?ex=65af1d3d&is=659ca83d&hm=b150d8f98505a0333ddc4e69795a4900bcb5eefa03525bb537479337ab5d6007& [02:23:17] every time i try to upload an image i get an error [02:23:23] just started like a couple minutes ago [02:23:35] well i've had this sparesly over some time but it's happening a lot more now [02:23:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194104241820799038/image.png?ex=65af233c&is=659cae3c&hm=f82371dbb7c9110eee0395352a48cec4b0e973382dd6aabff45b2f24e9158bb1& [02:27:55] Yes, the file system is very wonky right now. Sorry about that. [02:45:59] 👍 [02:51:51] Is there an extension similar to imagemap that lets you hover over specific regions of an image and display things by the mouse cursor like images? [03:22:01] I donated today too <:nannysalutepenny:1145892076408537239> [03:38:30] [1/2] yeah, w/ this you have an og wiki and editors can only translate it [03:38:31] [2/2] but separate different lang wikis is a case not only w/ Fandom but Wikipedia itself, they are run by different communities [04:29:52] fandom? [06:39:53] [1/2] huh [06:39:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194168652266750042/image.png?ex=65af5f39&is=659cea39&hm=c94da837533c06c47f75e132f464077634bc282b185134ec54325c6069efe770& [07:02:37] [1/2] are non-stewards allowed to make such replies? [07:02:37] [2/2] [07:14:26] If its truly older than 90 days it is technically an accurate response (IIRC anyway), I can't speak to whether it is something that is really a good idea or allowed to do though... [07:38:06] While the intention was good, we're going to have a whole slew of new stewards before too much longer. Better to be left for them in my view. [08:00:07] One thing to note is some non-public activity can generate CheckUser data [11:28:12] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194241207824564234/image.png?ex=65afa2cb&is=659d2dcb&hm=5f47aba12bd4d0582e4168b640de433275c6a6a9eebdf99ad20689e6f0a9ef6b& [11:28:53] i think the file servers are having a hiccup [11:56:01] yeah, unfortunately until we migrate to the new servers swift is acting up [12:23:52] wdym? what scripts? [12:24:03] no [13:36:14] Is this status page relevant? https://status.miraheze.wiki/ I think it says there is less than half a minute of outage per day on average, but reading this discord throughout December paints a more grounded picture. Does this not track the types of disturbances that are reported here? I need some help interpreting it. [13:41:08] Multiversion support. [13:49:51] that's a fault. we should be auto mapping it tbh [13:50:41] I wouldn't rely on that tbh. The automatic detection of an outage is not used in our monitoring. [13:51:18] https://grafana.miraheze.org/d/pfjAbhf7k/mediawiki-slos?orgId=1&viewPanel=22 is probably the best [13:53:04] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194277666874990653/Screenshot_2024-01-09_at_13.53.00.png?ex=65afc4c0&is=659d4fc0&hm=6f8c33bd67b62e1230a07013e89c157c2ee2310a1af9154a790b6a64662251a1& [13:53:25] which looking at the figure for MediaWiki availability is about 5m-6m down a day [13:57:04] Thanks! Is this time spent with no errors since last check? How is available defined? [13:57:36] that is based on nginx status codes i think [13:58:15] 1 - sum(log_nginx_status_code_doc_count{status_code=~\"50[024]\"}) / sum( log_nginx_hits ) [13:58:37] so % of requests that didn't return a 502/4 [13:59:57] So when mediawiki can serve the page, but for example the images can't be loaded, that's available, but when editing gives a server error, but the wiki readable that's unavailable. Did I get that right? [14:00:30] yes [14:00:46] Then the % is technically % of requests, and the times there are just an illustration [14:00:51] swift being down wouldn't be counted against mediawiki availability [14:01:02] yes, the timings are my illsutration [14:01:45] What does swift do? 😅 [14:01:55] Swift is what serves images [14:04:17] Hopefully once we move infra, we'll be able to resume SLOs [14:04:27] can't really achieve that when our infra is on its last leg [14:07:33] Is it a reverse proxy server written in swift? I'm not getting much from google [14:07:55] Search for OpenStack Swift [14:13:07] S3 💗💗 [14:13:43] Thank you, this was very helpful [14:41:52] if it weren't so costly for our use case \:( [14:58:30] Agent, aren't you a steward? [15:03:13] did WT never look into R2? [15:03:42] we did [15:04:17] it has good pricing, we used it up until November but also moved to Swift as file uploads went up [15:04:23] I am, technically [15:04:27] Need something? [15:05:36] Nah [15:07:05] was it as extensive as S3? I know it only supports a subset of the S3 features [15:12:05] It was fine for the most part. If you just need basic file storage then it was enough but yeah, it was missing a few features which I found useful on AWS like getting the size of a folder prefix. The `aws` cli tool was also very weird to work with on R2 as it sometimes returns nonsensical results if you don't modify it to contour to R2 [15:19:25] I might be leaving a lot of servers. A teacher accessed my phone without my consent, viewing parts of the servers I'm in's messages through notifications on the lock screen. I was falsely accused of using my phone in class. [15:19:38] I'm not sure if this server was present but one was and I left kt [15:21:07] Is mobile view dead?? Or what’s going on? [15:45:57] i saw the Fundraiser page [15:46:18] i would like to donate via discord serversubscriptions [15:46:48] please set? [15:48:52] i hate paypal [15:49:35] and dont sure how to use github [15:50:42] what about Ko-Fi? [15:51:42] @orduin would have to enable server subscriptions [15:51:54] but the fee structure is interesting [15:52:11] they take 10% off versus other platforms which take 2-3% [15:56:38] damn [16:04:07] Ko-Fi is another provided alternative for the fundraiser that has non-paypal options and a limited fee structure. Hopefully we can find something that'll meet your needs in the meantime, and either way we appreciate the generosity~! [16:06:48] That appreciation goes to everyone else who's donated so far, too! We're already getting close to one of our internal milestones for this fundraiser, so excited for what this will unlock for quality of service going forward. [16:18:57] i need someone big brain for this: [16:19:19] what is a good name for a namespace that documents files from a game, but isn't called `File` (for obvious reasons) [16:19:56] for example, a page in this namespace might be called `File:MainModeParam.bin.xfbin` (except with a differenct namespace than File) [16:20:34] Nothing. 😐 [16:22:09] Still WantedPages are empty. [16:22:27] asset, data, gamefile, gamedoc, gamedata, -> that the type of vibe? [16:22:45] that is the type of vibe <:Smugkeicho:766723565193265194> [16:23:01] `GameFile` might just be the best option [16:23:25] also, is there a setting to not make the search case-sensitive [16:24:13] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194315703721934869/image.png?ex=65afe82d&is=659d732d&hm=688d425b3d8766e582bfb7eb5d71b815c88856948c81e70b362fce9dcba15814& [16:24:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194315704086822992/image.png?ex=65afe82d&is=659d732d&hm=798e627c48f47338946601b175cf89fd0d16920934fc1f810ce798a474115937& [16:28:08] Not until elasticsearch/cirrussearch becomes a thing for MH, which may or may not end up happening post-merger [16:29:14] (It supports case-insensitive searching unlike OpenSearch, but is much more expensive to operate) [16:30:12] TitleKey extension lets you have case-insensitive search [16:30:57] cirrussearch is actually being considered? [16:31:19] I'll defer to SRE on that one. We have it available on WT for wikis that meet certain criteria [16:32:14] This is good to know! I haven't used this extension before previously, but if it allows case-insensitive title search that really does solve most use cases right there. [16:33:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194318152381780099/image.png?ex=65afea74&is=659d7574&hm=efb9126440f907363914abb4c48c299d63cf61e9661be8d81756c7464d57735e& [16:34:12] "The TitleKey extension provides a case-insensitive page title prefix search." [16:34:20] prefix? [16:34:34] notaracham: huh, thought that cirrussearch was chiefly a wikiforge feature [16:34:41] nice to see, though [16:35:06] we do indeed want to push CirrusSearch on Miraheze in the near future [16:35:09] Yeah, WT inclusion criteria was fairly strict, you were a candidate for WF anyway if you qualified. 🙂 [16:35:22] CirrusSearch is pretty significant to have [16:35:25] for the convenience it brings [16:35:48] especially if you're already used to having it on other wikis [16:36:18] with the issues with cargo (i believe thats the extension), then it will need a lot of work to get performance to be decent [16:36:45] actually not sure of those two are comparable, ignore [16:37:24] [1/2] oh cool [16:37:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194319022116839574/image.png?ex=65afeb44&is=659d7644&hm=3b4920ed59e492a2648e4ab1e700f8043932673b170d8d6ee2c672c107c99c6a& [16:37:26] that just works [16:37:52] well now i think would be a good time for me to fully rejoin the project once again [16:37:53] Any of the complex data extensions all have their own sets of woes and unique support quirks, for sure. [16:38:08] well it kinda works [16:38:19] i can't tell if it's not working for some things because it's indexing or something [16:38:59] seems to be slowly getting better at working though [16:39:11] is there any point of CirrusSearch then? [16:39:12] if this just works [16:40:32] ah a new fundraiser it seems [16:41:58] CirrusSearch has some other advantages for other use cases [16:42:16] my biggest worry at this point is just storage. We might need an additional volume just for CirrusSearch [16:42:20] Yeah, unfortunately necessary given the scope of what we're trying to do. Hardware migration will reduce MH annual operating costs by nearly half and get on to modern-ish hardware appropriately scoped to task... but there's an up-front cost to do so. [16:42:28] tfw only 0.0083% of users donate [16:42:42] when i'm famous and rich, i'll be able to donate lots of money <:TsudaHappy:898649999267729498> [16:43:15] If every wiki donated just $1, we would be done immediately [16:44:33] is that including inactive wikis though [16:44:51] Alright, if every active wiki donated 2 dollars. 😄 [16:45:09] (jokes, inactivity is bad, but not that bad) [16:45:25] oh really [16:45:33] i thought more than like 70% would be inactive [16:45:39] just because of people starting stuff and abandoning it [16:46:07] My geuss would be that it is so much a ballpark number, that it doesn't really matter if inactive wiki's are included or not in that figure? [16:46:58] Agent does math these things out with actual numbers, can confirm, but there is a bit of preference for round numbers. [16:47:26] It's not great, but it is below 70% [16:47:40] surprising and cool [16:48:02] per CreateWiki, there's 5181 active wikis [16:48:06] lemme check the donation process rq [16:48:08] If you want to calculate without feel free to check out https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Reception123/temp_stats [16:48:15] so yes, if every wiki donated $2 \:P [16:48:34] you can donate via github? [16:48:36] yes [16:48:41] I feel like people nowadays rarely use on wiki search tho [16:48:53] Both recurring and one time is available 🙂 [16:48:55] Github sponsors is about the best of the options, zero-fee and immediate delivery [16:49:10] [1/2] aha [16:49:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194321983211573391/image.png?ex=65afee06&is=659d7906&hm=c7a5b583819df668cda458daa1a8ef872b405ba9d2a9ac937948803e3abfb69a& [16:49:26] i'll do my part then [16:49:34] But all options are pretty decent now, esp. since we can get reduced processing fees for 501c3 status. [16:49:44] huh [16:50:11] they rely on google fully instead [16:50:12] [1/2] this is the tax right [16:50:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194322242373431386/image.png?ex=65afee44&is=659d7944&hm=883f697b2c3aa91d1a84d45c48dc748a68c2404adf0217740d84b55839044c4f& [16:50:22] PayPal fees [16:50:42] does that mean you get the full donation amount [16:50:44] minus the fees [16:50:55] Yes. If that's not ticked we get the amount minus the fees [16:50:56] yes [16:53:01] idk what to expect from people who specifically chose MediaWiki because it's free lol, but I'm optimistic [16:55:43] how do you only apply CSS to one namespace again [16:55:48] Appreciate your support, and we look forward to proving out what's possible once migration stuff settles down. 😄 [16:59:19] Hopefully our other volunteers have some guidance for you on this, the only thing I'm aware of to do that is TemplateStyles [16:59:46] i vaguely remember seeing a solution before, but i forgot [17:00:11] [1/2] it'd be to change the font of the title for this namespace [17:00:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194324756078530612/image.png?ex=65aff09b&is=659d7b9b&hm=81d23b666ecf9f520b52bfdbf8cdcf5b649929e6be0ba29105a89969626e5899& [17:00:18] to something code-like like Consolas [17:00:18] Oh hey, Xena to the rescue [17:00:23] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1012372437075234846 [17:01:00] ^ this is what you're looking for I think, @kojobailey [17:01:05] so `.ns-[namespace#]` [17:01:15] i think [17:01:17] will tfy [17:01:30] Seems like, but very much CSS volunteer domain of expertise. De nada. [17:03:37] I would like to donate to Miraheze, but I know I can't, ||just because my current phone went black screen and it has the bank authenticator||. So I guess I'll wait and will donate later or in the near future. [17:03:55] Oh nice! Does it also work for other namespaces? I saw a Phab task suggesting otherwise but I don't know if it's been fixed or anything. [17:05:03] [1/2] seems so [17:05:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194325978487463976/image.png?ex=65aff1be&is=659d7cbe&hm=89bd9aeb71e592b7097b40c98d2c94d30304cb79ae6291da8db8797db4b538f8& [17:05:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194326055247413328/image.png?ex=65aff1d1&is=659d7cd1&hm=6341c41e4aa8c31ffaec5d9acd4ee3b051c79418cdf1f3ea4fdd11690c5af67b& [17:09:23] No worries, if you're able during the fundraiser, that's great, but support at any time is welcome and limits the frequency of future fundraisers. [17:09:53] Oh, okay. 👍 [17:58:31] hmm, the RealMe extension broke on MH? [17:58:49] I tested so far and can't find any rel=me [18:10:51] NO PAYPAL!? [18:11:47] no paypal [18:11:52] yes [18:12:00] not yet [18:12:06] but i’m getting very close… [18:13:23] You mean 🏳️‍⚧️ or 💰? [18:13:45] uh neither [18:13:46] what [18:14:04] wait a sec [18:14:09] is that you in your pfp [18:14:15] in the middle [18:14:52] if so [18:15:04] <:KosakuKneel:976926376722583612> [18:21:34] Idg the sticker sorry [18:36:41] 🤷 probably just thinks it's cool that Jody and Mandeep are in the profile pic if I'm reading the who of who's in there correctly. [18:36:58] Also congrats on getting the logo and favicon stuff sorted, glad to see that's working now. 🙂 [18:50:45] quick question, how long is inactivity period for a wiki? [18:51:02] I am awaiting for a background to be made but don't want to mess something up before it [18:51:19] before closure? around 60 days [18:51:30]