[00:18:34] [1/2] what's the .css thing for the grey lines in the monobook skin [00:18:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1194797465988255754/image.png?ex=65b1a8da&is=659f33da&hm=744193550c742d1718475ced4ad363ebcfef60411e4aaa624f520fddf976727b& [00:22:56] `body.skin--responsive .pBody` and `.mw-body` are the two main ones [01:00:10] thx [01:00:27] now, is there any way to make a template appear below the categories box? [01:07:07] MacFan: now they have enough 🙂 [01:07:18] but yeah, whenever Void has a chance for RfS and Zppix/Void for RfP [01:41:21] Not that I'm aware of [02:11:21] How do I disable new users for the first week of the wiki? Still building, so would be handy not to have to keep an eye on others [02:22:55] Go to `Special:ManageWiki/permissions/*` and untick the "createaccount" box; since MH accounts are global, it won't stop new users from showing up completely, but it'll significantly reduce the amount of new users [02:29:33] Found it. Thanks [02:43:22] btw lab you should make a test role to see how this would look as a role icon, its cool, im wondering if the details aren't too small to look good next to a username <:nomChocoStrawberry:938647184973365318> [03:09:14] <.labster, replying to pixldev> I should remove the crown but keep the tree first [03:55:29] [1/3] Hello, I am reaching out regarding a permanent deletion request I wished to make for my existing Miraheze account, named 'Matteel,' back in October 2023. I submitted a request through the TSPortal. I had previously brought up this matter up here, but I took a three month break from Discord (and social media in-general) to focus on my well-being around the time. I did not follow throu [03:55:29] [2/3] gh with my request in-regards to my messages I sent here as I stopped all conversations related to it during this period. Since then, my well-being has significantly improved, as I felt I was too on-edge talking about it. I now feel more ready discussing it as I didn’t feel as if I was appropriately addressing the issue in my earlier comments. I would like to discuss my Miraheze acco [03:55:30] [3/3] unt. It has been three months since I filed the original request, and now that it is back on my mind, I would like to address it and materialize my own desire for it’s permanent deactivation. Can I get help with this regard please? [05:05:48] [1/9] The permissions that the `managewiki-editdefault` and `managewiki-restricted` require depends on what pages those two permissions are meant to actively use: [05:05:49] [2/9] If either of those permissions are meant to actively use the Special:ManageWiki/core page, then they require the `managewiki-core` permission. [05:05:49] [3/9] If either of those permissions are meant to actively use the Special:ManageWiki/extensions page, then they require the `managewiki-extensions` permission. [05:05:49] [4/9] If either of those permissions are meant to actively use the Special:ManageWiki/namespaces page, then they require the `managewiki-namespaces` permission. [05:05:49] [5/9] If either of those permissions are meant to actively use the Special:ManageWiki/permissions page, then they require the `managewiki-permissions` permission. [05:05:50] [6/9] If either of those permissions are meant to actively use the Special:ManageWiki/settings page, then they require the `managewiki-settings` permission. [05:05:50] [7/9] I'm trying to figure out which of the special pages those two permissions are meant to actively use. Originally the `managewiki` permission was required to actively use all special pages starting with 'ManageWiki'. Though the `managewiki` permission has recently been removed and split into the `managewiki-core`, `managewiki-extensions`, `managewiki-namespaces`, `managewiki-permissio [05:05:50] [8/9] ns`, and `managewiki-settings` permissions. [05:05:51] [9/9] It could be that the `managewiki-editdefault` and `managewiki-restricted` permissions allow access to additional special pages that I haven't mentioned. Though it's been months since I've had access to either permission. I was only given access to those permissions on another site temporarily for testing purposes and for my research. [05:08:19] `managewiki-editdefault` lets you edit Special:ManageWikiDefaultPermissions on a farm's central wiki and `managewiki-restricted` lets you touch restricted settings areas within all other panels like restricted settings in Special:ManageWiki/core, etc. [05:09:54] hello, i just switched from windows 11 to fedora and theres this builtin irc app lol [05:11:21] [1/2] Could it be that `managewiki-editdefault` no longer requires another permission to use? It originally required the `managewiki` permission. How many ManageWiki special pages have restricted settings? It would determine what permissions may be needed to use the `managewiki-restricted` permission. Originally the `managewiki-restricted` permission also required the `managewiki` permiss [05:11:21] [2/2] ion. [05:12:14] afaik, `managewiki-editdefault` has never needed `managewiki` [05:12:36] neither has `managewiki-restricted` [05:13:10] I've had instances where I have `managewiki-restricted` but not `managewiki` and in those cases, I can still edit restricted settings but not anything else [05:13:30] /core, /settings, and /extensions have restricted settings in them [05:14:42] Weird. When I had access to both permissions, I temporarily removed `managewiki` from myself. And I was still able to access the restricted pages and settings. But I was unable to successfully modify them. [05:40:05] @agentisai Unfortunately I can't answer my own question, since I don't seem to have taken any screenshots of those settings. [05:51:01] <.labster, replying to hmattel> @serverlessharej is our new director of Trust & Safety, maybe you two can follow up about this. [05:58:14] Ok, I'm out of time right now but I will come back tomorrow to discuss this. [06:07:31] [1/3] hi, i have a quick question to ask [06:07:31] [2/3] at the start of my wiki, i picked two editors as bureaucrats (which at that time i didn't know was unrevokable by local admins). now those two have gotten inactive and i am the sole active editor left (meaning there certainly won't be enough people to hold a local election). who do i need to contact to remove the bureaucrat role from them? [06:07:32] [3/3] further question: these two users are also admins. i don't have an issue with them staying as admins, but are admins revokable by bureaucrats? if they cannot, i'll need their admin roles removed too, but if they can then the admin roles can stay [06:10:44] Good night guys, see you tomorrow. [06:10:56] bureau can rewoke sysop role, the bureau role can be rewoked only by stewards [06:16:32] If they're inactive then a Steward can exercise discretion and demote them [06:17:56] do i make the request on the SN or a support ticket here? [06:20:42] In regards to local elections in general, for future reference (even if not needed in this case), local elections can still be held on an inactive or mostly inactive wiki, and will be considered successful as long as noone object on the election [06:21:12] i see, thanks for the tip [06:21:36] just tell me the user and wiki name [06:22:58] [1/2] wiki: dnatptrg.miraheze.org [06:22:58] [2/2] users: JoeKoh27, Rakuen [06:29:16] Bureaucrats can demote each other if they have the `managewiki-permissions` permission. [06:29:51] they can but they shouldn't and if they do and the other party disputes it, Stewards may side with the other party [06:30:42] [[Special:UserRights/JoeKoh27@dnatptrgwiki]] [06:30:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/JoeKoh27%40dnatptrgwiki [06:30:43]

[06:30:47] yeah but this is also personally a bad idea for me since i don't want to look like i took action myself [06:31:02] they do know of this but i would still prefer to play by the book [06:31:10] Though I prefer to remove the permission from Bureaucrats and transfer the permission to a custom usergroup named Founders `founder`. [06:32:39] done [06:32:46] might work in certain circumstances but that's the same as just making bureaucrats admins and the founder the sole bureaucrat [06:33:00] i'm trying not to have to mess with so many user groups because i want to focus on the content of the wiki [06:33:12] thank you very much [06:33:16] no problem [06:35:53] also i've been meaning to ask: what's an interwiki table? [06:36:19] [[Interwiki]] [06:36:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Interwiki [06:36:22]

[06:36:41] interwiki can turn long links like into things like [[wiki:article]] [06:36:41] https://c2.com/cgi/wiki?article [06:36:41]

[06:36:50] Thank you Wiki-Bot, very cool! [06:36:51] a list of prefixes to make linking to other wikid and even different web sites easier [06:37:12] wait how did that turn into that like by the bot? xD [06:37:52] I guess `wiki:` is a prefix to the venerable WikiWikiWeb [06:37:58] [1/2] like `mw` prefix points to mediawiki.org, so we can do this [06:37:59] [2/2] [[mw:Help:Images]] [06:37:59] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images [06:37:59]

[06:45:54] Not exactly since Bureaucrats can still promote and demote other users. They just can't access any of the `managewiki` related permissions. And Administrators still can't add or remove certain usergroups that Bureaucrats can add, or vice versa if the Bureaucrat isn't also an Administrator. [06:46:27] that's interesting [06:47:02] [1/2] i see [06:47:02] [2/2] though personally the base setup works for me [08:38:34] Hey, any way to make a certain template appear on every page with a certain category? Like, I want the 'stub' template to automatically appear at the top of every page with the category of 'stub' [08:46:02] <.labster> Use a bot. Or use a {{stub}} template that automatically adds the category rather than linking to the category directly [08:46:02] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:stub [08:46:02]

[08:51:36] I don't know how to do either of those things- the latter sounds easier, is there a guide somewhere on how to do that? [09:00:22] category add is explained in infoboxes guide, misc section [09:04:58] Okay, thanks! [09:12:33] [1/7] Okay, I read that bit and i found an example on somoene else's wiki (I want it to have the little box around it), but it isn't working. I know I'm doing smth wrong, I'm just not sure what. [09:12:33] [2/7] {{mbox [09:12:34] [3/7] | name = '''STUB!''' [09:12:34] [4/7] You can help Decapedia by expanding this article! [09:12:34] [5/7] There is a lot missing from this page. Fill it in if you have the time! [09:12:35] [6/7] | type = content}} [09:12:35] [7/7] [[Category:Stubs]]/includeonly [09:12:35] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Stubs [09:12:35]

[09:22:09] do you have the mbox template tho? [09:22:32] `{{...}}` indicates a template call [09:22:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:... [09:23:24] depending on wiki it might be a very simple template, or complicated as on wikipedia [09:27:09] Oh, I thought it was somehow there automatically becasue it said on the metawiki that it's a meta template- Is mbox the easiest way to format a box like that, or is there some really obvious way I'm missing? [09:29:23] [1/2] well, if you import a template (not copy pasting the code) and check the "include templates" flag, it should transfer everything along [09:29:23] [2/2] I can't tell what do you mean by it's not working [09:30:34] I try to make my templates as simple as possible, like a simple div w/ a class, no need for a separate container template even [09:31:07] or a table w/ 2-3 cells, depending on how you want it to look [09:32:34] [1/3] Like, I had that code and then clicked 'preview on X page' and it showed me my page with a redlink reading Template:Stub [09:32:34] [2/3] So, I know it doesn't work- and ig I know why now, thank you. [09:32:34] [3/3] I don't even know what div or class means! I really am very new to the coding side of things. I just want to make a little banner type thing that is visually different from everything else on the page, so people notice it when they open the page. [09:32:51] wait [09:33:06] that means you didn't even created stub template [09:33:18] that's what I'm trying to do now [09:33:23] create the stub [09:38:48] how do I import it, that sounds easier [09:40:27] oh I found the import button [09:40:33] [1/2] check the same guide please, there's import section [09:40:33] [2/2] but bear in mind that trying to import from Wikipedia or Miraheze Meta might result in dependencies errors [09:40:56] still because the process might fail [09:42:00] [1/2] here's an example from my wiki, it's simple but relies on TemplateStyles extension, along w/ several other such message box templates [09:42:00] [2/2] [10:16:04] Anyone who can help with my missing logo? [10:16:24] See support thread. [11:26:15] logged out of meta twice within couple of hours <:moonch:794697217826095165> [13:54:45] do portable info boxes mess up page previews [13:54:50] bcuz that’s what it does 4 me [13:55:22] they shouldn't <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [13:55:28] screenshot? [13:57:06] whenever i have portable info box enabled 60% of the time page previews show an error [13:57:11] let me enable it again fw [13:57:13] RQ* [14:01:20] Likely server issue, not extension [14:32:30] i was getting that yesterday too where the text was too big & also galleries on the page showed bullet points before images but the actual pages came out fine [14:36:34] [1/2] what's happening lol [14:36:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195013386862346271/image.png?ex=65b271f1&is=659ffcf1&hm=1c2b4433865a4dfe7cc7c2b9a7361dda609493eb7c5c543d7f2fd7134ddb21ee& [14:36:49] first, a random table of contents title was Japanese on one page [14:36:54] and now my whole thing is... German? [14:37:13] changed it back to English but i'm very confused lol [14:37:40] lol [14:47:46] pretty sure that's Ripuarian, a German dialect. which makes it even weirder [14:49:16] something funky is happening [15:04:47] [1/2] any ideas why this isn't working [15:04:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195020485738639451/image.png?ex=65b2788e&is=65a0038e&hm=9f0d0d4befef966037836374374e4e3b7ef118463a2ff3b3b129584802bd5ac5& [15:05:09] supposedly `border: none` is taking priority here (imported with `TemplateStyles`) [15:05:27] but it only works when I manually hide the `border: 1px solid black;` [15:05:38] which is weird because it's already shown to be crossed out in the inspect [15:06:04] oh wait i got it <:Clueless:1114166620831617054> [15:06:10] it's not just applied to `table` [16:03:13] [1/2] Is there a way to increase the font size on pages by default. [16:03:13] [2/2] I'm looking get a font size around 18px for better legibility for accessibility reasons [16:03:49] I figured I don't have the advance understanding of MediaWiki code to create a button to enable this on pages [16:21:52] CSS, although I'm not sure if just applying to `body` will work, you'll have to see by yourself using element inspector tool in your browser [16:22:14] also suggest using % values [16:22:39] [1/2] gonna be something like [16:22:39] [2/2] `font-size: 110%;` [17:38:16] Now Kiju has NDA so all 4 RFS are good to go [17:38:50] cool [17:40:15] Seems like they've all already been decided however [17:50:40] MacFan4000: not listed on https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Board/NDAs?action=history [17:54:11] RhinosF1: https://meta.wikitide.org/wiki/?diff=10518&oldid=10502&rcid=133851 [17:54:36] MH meta still shows MH limited, (not updated) [17:54:50] WT foundation is on WT meta [17:55:07] I think global notice does something funny to google crawlers, when I try to check the page before indexing console shows middle of the page [17:56:46] MacFan4000: thanks [17:57:31] MacFan4000: annoyingly that page doesn't list the NDA roles [17:57:49] Can @notaracham fix [17:58:00] Or other @Board Members [17:58:18] And probably add a note to the MH page to point to the WikiTide one [17:58:40] Also doesn't have diff like [17:59:17] I suspect that will be brought over to MH meta - IIRC the plan is to eventually archive WT meta [17:59:23] wouldn't WY page be moved to Miraheze Meta anyway? [18:00:16] The full board does not yet have editprotected rights, I'm just waiting on that to overhaul NDA page [18:01:32] @notaracham you don’t need editprotected to edit that page [18:01:44] I don't, but the Abusefilter blocks changes [18:01:49] Just have to be added to exemption list in the abuse filter [18:01:56] And one of the ways around that particular abusefilter is to have editprotected [18:02:29] Yep, you couldn't see it because IRC, but I had already edited my response to include all of these ways I could be exempted from the block [18:03:50] I can edit the AF, if you give me a list of people who need added [18:04:00] Sure, one sec, thanks @zppix! [18:06:21] [1/6] I believe you've alread got Owen and Harej, others include: [18:06:21] [2/6] * Labster [18:06:22] [3/6] * Agent_Isai [18:06:22] [4/6] * Universal Omega [18:06:22] [5/6] * NotAracham [18:06:22] [6/6] * Reception123 [18:06:42] Most of the others have some form of right that allows them bypass already, I think I'm the lone one out. [18:07:05] Oh, and Labster. [18:07:49] Ok ill add it in a second [18:07:54] Much obliged, thanks. [18:13:16] Try now [18:31:05] Is there anyone who was NDA’d with Miraheze Limited who isn’t with the WikiTide Foundation? [18:33:28] Me, for example [18:33:49] Me [18:34:13] I'll sign an NDA when I eventually pick my toolkit back up [18:34:30] RhinosF1: Thinking of joining SRE? [18:34:39] There are a lot of people on the MH limited list not on the wt one [18:34:52] There's quite a few people who had an NDA with MHL and not WT [18:35:10] but aren't we only issuing NDAs to those who need them right now? [18:35:11] also I think many of the people on the MH list aren't active anymore [18:35:28] Orange_Star: eventually [18:35:35] good to know [18:35:41] That’s more what I am getting at, rather than people who had an NDA in the past but don’t need one now [18:36:00] Orange_Star: I'm waiting until everything else in life is settled though [18:36:07] Work, Uni, House moves etc [18:36:21] It's probably not that far off until I consider it [18:37:23] Of course, gotta have your priorities straight [18:37:36] Are you thinking of joining infra or mediawiki? [18:37:42] Not sure [18:38:01] My focus has always been mediawiki but my role has always ended up being devopsy [18:39:58] I expect it'll probably be Q2 or Q3 [18:40:43] technically Void hasn’t signed the WT NDA yet, though I’m sure they will eventually [18:43:13] Yes, we are only issuing NDAs to those who have some role or responsibility that necessitates a signed NDA, or are on the cusp of receiving that role which would require one. [18:43:30] Not just 'for funsies'. 🙂 [18:43:50] Signing legally binding documents for fun [18:43:59] That I can get behind [18:45:11] Orange_Star: working 30 hours a week + 1 day a week of uni + living 200 miles from family makes me busy [18:46:21] Understandable [18:46:54] But id like to find the time eventually [18:47:17] Make sure not to push yourself too hard [18:47:37] Miraheze actually has people now, only join if it won't push you to the limit [18:47:38]