[00:37:17] Is anyone working on the upgrade key needed for Semantic MediaWiki? It seems like a bunch of wikis have been having this problem for several hours now, it's causing the entire wiki in each case to be inaccessible [00:41:57] @Site Reliability Engineers need to run the enable script for SMW keys, when one is free to do so [00:42:52] Hopefully soon, there's a few things they're managing at the moment. [01:22:03] [1/2] @paulgamerboy360 [01:22:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195175828498153472/Screenshot_2024-01-12_at_2.21.36_AM.png?ex=65b3093a&is=65a0943a&hm=fe91bfa3511cb370bae921801cd4086304f0afc812103006cbfd0a854f73525e& [01:22:32] Do URL links like this only work with files alraedy uploaded? [01:27:06] I'll take a look now [02:48:36] my ... my paintbrush <:xsob:912928935577276526> [02:49:21] its still there, the brush is protected under the hat [02:50:07] [1/2] see? [02:50:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195197989988335666/aZJFTmt.png?ex=65b31dde&is=65a0a8de&hm=3026ec453f30e9c0976b78eb5a751eab54df8f11ad082d710f51bb7af68e9926& [02:50:57] <:xsob:912928935577276526> [02:51:45] but it's not right away [02:52:13] A moment of silence for Legroom's paint brush [03:20:36] Hi [03:21:02] I'd like to know how upload wizard is not well implemented on Miraheze 🙂 [03:44:46] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195211746651156510/IMG_5441.jpg?ex=65b32aae&is=65a0b5ae&hm=debc1bb2b28e1d71180b867cc286fba2549c1bed530ffb2ee067c38ebfb9b0d0& [03:45:28] Is there any bulk upload option on Miraheze? [04:27:51] <.labster, replying to thebasicperson> Yes [04:29:40] Is it an extension? How can I use it? [04:30:06] Remember activating the Upload Wizard extension to upload many files, but when clicked on 'upload file', I still have the basic uploader. [04:33:13] The upload file link doesn't automatically convert to an UploadWizard link. You must manually go to Special:UploadWizard or optionally, add it to your sidebar [04:33:45] hello, agent. [04:34:16] The instructions located at extension's page are too confusing to follow. [04:34:54] <.labster> We also offer bulk uploads for wikis that migrate [04:37:20] The Upload Wizard Special page doesn't seem to load for me. Unless it takes multiple minutes to load for some reason [04:38:28] I enabled long ago, but nothing happens. It also has to be installed into your wiki. [04:38:57] Yes, I enabled the extension [04:39:16] Perhaps it might take a little to activate [04:40:23] The page talks about a phd to be filled or whatever it's name is, but they doesn't say where or how do you build one. [04:40:35] pretty annoying. [05:06:23] wow what's up w/ page protection on meta? [05:07:15] I thought MW is reserved fully for sysop rights havers [05:07:28] namespace I mean [05:08:03] ah it's translations?.. [05:10:06] Yeah, exclusive to fundraiser translations if you're referring to the batch done by macfin [05:11:31] unfortunatly centralnotice translations have to be manually set to "published" for each individual language for them to be used [05:11:43] protection is automatic [05:13:34] 56 approvals across 3 banners [05:20:23] a similar thing is when a translationadmin (without editprotected rights) marks a fully protected page for translation it can appear that they edited the page, but in reality its an automated it by the extension [05:23:57] FYI for those affected, the SMW issue should be fixed now. Sorry for the delay. [09:53:18] Does anyone happen to have a list of the .css classes that the Vector skin uses? [09:54:28] I want to customize the look of my wiki, but I can't find any documentation. [10:07:45] there is such thing as list of classes/id's [10:07:52] but you can look at examples [10:09:04] [10:10:58] Thanks, I'll take a look. [10:23:04] [1/2] now there's Korean lol [10:23:05] [2/2] https://jojomodding.miraheze.org/wiki/Guide:Installing_JojoAPI [10:23:09] not sure if it's just me [10:23:11] but it's weird [10:23:29] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195312086574710844/image.png?ex=65b38821&is=65a11321&hm=bda778c11dab41f0e03c25517ed8b8e0a168b1b8f82d07218642c6bb9978bdb4& [10:23:52] for the record, my language for both the wiki and this page is British English [10:24:09] as you can, it's also only some text that's changed language [10:27:19] I edited the page once and the glitch is already gone, but I thought I'd report it anyway lol [12:16:05] Miraheze still doesn't support a "popular pages" tab does it? I found a thread in #support saying it does not from back in 2022 but I figured I'd ask if that has changed [13:08:45] [1/2] I'm also getting this error for my previews for majority of links. I've disabled $wgPageImagesLeadSectionOnly and it only works for some of them [13:08:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195353675472842782/image.png?ex=65b3aedc&is=65a139dc&hm=4334e30dc3a563d5a2c84f25f5e71852c3b02bf19f35dee85079ab5c286e92cd& [13:22:12] Hmm, putting text before the infobox appears to fix this, but then my infoboxes aren't where they should be [13:49:16] it's been a few months now, and i'm still not getting these at all [13:49:22] even though i've enabled the extension [13:50:18] Well, as an alternative workaround, is it possible to force an infobox to be aligned in the upper right corner of a page regardless if there is text before it? [14:32:55] if you're using portable infoboxes, it doesn't work properly unfortunately. [14:34:10] new rfc? [14:35:48] [1/2] when someone has a chance, could a @Board Members reflect Board/NDAs to the above? [14:35:48] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195375580699435049/Screenshot_2024-01-12_at_6.35.26_AM.png?ex=65b3c343&is=65a14e43&hm=bd6c9e131a8fb665ea74ee2825b5ed40b117ac6dd3875e7d64c104328ae58d1f& [14:36:31] it's a couple very minor changes from `[https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Labster Labster]` to `[[User:Labster|Labster]]`, whenever someone has a chance [14:36:31] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Labster [14:36:34] not a top priorityh [15:01:22] a workaround shouldn't be necessary here [15:02:17] [1/2] other wikis work fine with no issue [15:02:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195382246983606292/image.png?ex=65b3c978&is=65a15478&hm=fb83a10bbdffb3608d86c8ab08e46ca27711b9e1f2a3798a6e29c741c39327cd& [15:02:25] on the right is the infobox image [15:02:41] left is text from first paragraph, and ignores all the templates before it [15:02:57] is that page using portable infoboxes? [15:03:03] i believe so, yes [15:03:09] when i checked [15:03:10] PageImages can't extract images from PortableInfoboxes, so thats surprising. [15:03:25] maybe it's a modified extension [15:03:54] if it's not a portable infobox, it does use `pi` classes [15:05:04] Looks to be a PI. how odd, maybe the bug got fixed, but it wasn't last time I checked. [15:23:29] As i'm seeing you pic, you finally get to fix the popup images. I was wanting to help you, but I still don't have enough pages to enable it. [15:26:50] it’s worked for as long as i’ve known that wiki [15:27:12] so 2022 [15:27:41] not my wiki [15:27:47] my wiki doesn’t have pop ups at all [15:28:01] even though all the necessary extensions are enabled [15:59:13] Something I noticed from extensions is that some requires instalation, besides of enabling. [16:06:44] stewards, please delete my global userpage at loginwiki [16:07:09] it's no longer accurate, for obvious reasons [16:49:26] are you guys really sure AI will suffice in translating? [16:52:13] I have no context but this worries me [16:52:31] new RfC [16:52:51] fully written by English only speakers lol [16:56:30] I forgot, who decided to mass google translate pages couple of years ago? [16:56:42] pretty sure it was one of prominent members [16:56:57] and Agent, I think, had to revert it all [16:59:39] Out of curiosity, how does the translate extension thingy work? [17:02:05] see the Meta Wiki [17:02:10] will do [17:02:58] pages marked for translation suggest you to translate them, the extensions divides pages content on portions to be translated [17:03:26] I admit, the extension itself is not user friendly, I wish there was a better alternative [17:04:29] [1/3] Subpar mass-translation is exactly what I'm against. There's an unfortunate number of translations being done badly by user using google translate as sole source of truth. I'd rather folks use a machine translation browser extension that can update and improve than have us lock in unintelligible nonsense as source of truth and create a bunch o [17:04:29] [2/3] f work for others in the process. [17:04:29] [3/3] Something like a mix of options 1 through 3 (limit translation to those who actually know the language, kill extra bureaucracy around translation, limit pages that actually need translation to where value gets added) would be acceptable if 4 fails. [17:05:26] I agree though, I reported one lol [17:05:40] wait, do individual people actually manually translate the pages? I thought there was some sort of translation matrix the pages were automatically fed through. [17:05:41] just like [17:05:44] but the option of language makes platform much more friendly [17:05:56] Yup. 😦 [17:05:59] integrate a machine translation extension that users can enable when they want [17:06:08] instead of creating machine translated pages [17:06:27] otherwise, get real translatirs [17:06:27] Unfortunately not that one-click easy, but getting better all the time. [17:06:31] Quite reasonable [17:06:32] you don't want to trust machine translations fully [17:06:46] Google Translate Chrome extension; [17:06:51] yeah [17:06:55] very accurate [17:07:00] it’s not [17:07:03] thats the point [17:07:07] sarcasm [17:07:22] i also know [17:07:26] Yep, I use that and the deepL extension as basic navigational tools, both are imperfect but getting better. [17:07:43] But I wouldn't put either forward as source of truth on their own. [17:07:44] I'm a tad salty that some of my translations from 2022 disappeared tho ._. [17:07:47] so if those exist, why bother wasting server space by creating pages from them [17:08:00] pages should be human translated [17:08:03] at least of one of policies [17:08:21] Can't speak on that, dunno. [17:09:16] [1/3] I thought this is how it worked ngl [17:09:17] [2/3] Ik there are more accurate machine translation services than google translate that are freely available- would it be possible for me to create something for my wiki where like, if a user selected a language other than English, and then hit 'translate' on a specific page, that would sort of feed the contents of the page through one of those other program [17:09:17] [3/3] s, then output it back for that user? [17:09:42] No such MediaWiki extension exists today to my knowledge. [17:09:43] i know it exists for MediaWiki [17:09:52] not sure about Miraheze [17:10:01] the JoJoWiki were talking about it a while ago [17:10:15] That's fair, could be worth putting up for security review if JoJoWiki is using it w/o issues [17:10:22] Miraheze runs on MediaWiki, so the extension should be simple to install [17:10:25] Please do pass it along if you discover it. [17:10:29] that's a shame. I wish I knew more about coding so I could make one. Maybe I can find a course on it somewhere, learn how to use this stuff properly [17:10:37] they’re not lol [17:10:44] they don’t like the idea [17:10:50] Also fair. [17:11:05] You'll most likely want to learn JavaScript or Lua [17:11:15] Extensions like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SubTranslate exist [17:11:25] Also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Translator [17:11:30] what are these new roles btw [17:11:39] I actually did learn javascript, years ago. I'm sure I've forgotten it all now. [17:12:04] lmao not the Empire voting on there [17:12:56] right. time to go relearn java see ya [17:13:28] new roles <:ta:1169663076270878901> [17:14:49] [1/9] Hard same on JS and Java. I can still read it, but absolutely can't write from scratch w/o looking up loads of references anymore. [17:14:49] [2/9] One of the pie-in-the-sky ideas for a new future-state translation extension was: [17:14:50] [3/9] * Click button, page gets shot over to deepL/chatGPT/whatever for a first pass attempt via that tool's API [17:14:50] [4/9] * If user is just browsing, return result as translation [17:14:50] [5/9] * If user has translator flag, they can either [17:14:51] [6/9] * accept first attempt outright [17:14:51] [7/9] * accept first attempt but and provide edits [17:14:51] [8/9] * discard translation and start fresh [17:14:52] [9/9] * Final version published as source of truth [17:16:19] [1/3] - test [17:16:20] [2/3] - test [17:16:20] [3/3] - test [17:17:30] what are the new roles and how can i attain them <:TsudaHappy:898649999267729498> [17:18:21] i dunno but I miss my paintbrush lol [17:18:42] being next to nickname [17:19:36] You could change your nickname to have a paintbrush in it [17:20:33] o [17:21:11] oh nice, desktop discord refuses to launch again [17:22:08] vpn my beloved [17:30:44] @notaracham translationadmin is not added by the Translate extension [17:31:45] https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/1673 [17:32:02] It was added via a PR (which was actually opened by me) [17:32:21] 7 years ago at this point [17:34:24] [1/3] q [17:34:24] [2/3] if I want to, for example, add a specific category to like ten pages, or realise I spelled smth wrong on a lot of pages and want to fix it easily, is there a way to sort of get them all up on the same tab and change that all at once? I think I saw someone talk about a mass edit, but I can't find it on special pages or the extensions, or anything about that when I look it up. i [17:34:25] [3/3] feel like I'm missing smth obvious here [17:36:02] there's an extension for replacing text but I don't know if it's still disabled across all Miraheze or not [17:36:12] I use Auto Wiki Browser program for that [17:36:37] Okay, I'll have a look in the extensions to see if that's available. What's auto wiki browser? [17:37:22] a little program you install on computer and you can login tru it into any wiki site and make mass edits [17:37:54] [[w:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser]] [17:37:54] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser [17:37:55]

[17:38:16] another mean of mass/routine edits is pywikibot [17:38:16] oooh I found the extension! [17:38:23] which I never tried personally [17:38:46] Okay, noted! Thanks! If the extension doesn't help I'll try that [17:39:18] Nice, then definitely in support of it. [17:44:13] Yo [17:44:33] it doesn't work on desktop lmao [17:44:53] but does on mobile [17:47:23] MacFan4000, would granting the TranslationAdmin right to Meta Administrators make sense as a middle ground to handle operational use cases? [17:47:39] (in the case that the translation admin role was fully removed) [17:48:16] They do already have that right [17:49:41] Alright, so sounds like most operational use cases would be covered then... I can't think of any good situations which wouldn't fall under meta admin maintenance duties or translator purview. [17:50:46] Is it not a desktop emoji? [17:50:50] I'm seeing it [17:51:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195424706627645590/image.png?ex=65b3f103&is=65a17c03&hm=925dad47cef3a8d269fe3546de9690b2284ec098f82528e63a784be44a1a2703& [17:51:13] My thought was that in my case I don’t ever translate anything, but I do make use of the ability to mark pages for translation [17:51:22] well that's what I meant, it's a symbol [17:51:35] [1/2] I'm not... [17:51:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1195424853977739445/image.png?ex=65b3f127&is=65a17c27&hm=23429ef7dc2a597841e7884a859ff998999bb5c44d7d1213dc1310bff012b687& [17:51:40] Ah, yeah, discord is weird about named emojis on desktop [17:51:40] rip [17:53:13] Oh right, I forget you're not a meta admin on MH [17:53:39]