[00:08:35] :trout: [00:12:52] We should add the whale, but it should be a sticker instead of an emote [00:16:57] absolutely [00:17:56] I wonder if Bulbapedia uses whalord [00:17:59] whalelord? [00:18:01] idk [00:19:19] Why was https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RSS_Reader never installed? And would there be interest for this? [00:19:44] I know we have https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:RSS [00:20:58] Is RSS reader replaced by RSS? [00:21:37] Just brainstorming [00:21:40] Well it's unmaintained so there's no way that's being installed unfortunately [00:21:47] okay [00:23:44] [1/3] I tried with RSS, but I feel it's not really doing so great. (Mostly it's my lack of skills I guess) [00:23:45] [2/3] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/JW_News [00:23:45] [3/3] I can make most of them work, but some RSS feeds it can't read. [00:24:22] yeah, that's a bit rugged it seems [00:24:30] Wikis are taking an unusually long time to be created; @Site Reliability Engineers, any idea why this is happening? [00:24:42] migration most likely [00:24:45] load management [00:24:47] Likely not [00:24:53] something something Redis probably [00:25:27] ah [00:25:34] have a sec? [00:27:24] [1/6] ;Watchtower [00:27:24] [2/6] https://apps.jw.org/E_RSSMEDIAMAG?rln=E&rmn=wp&rfm=pdf&rpf=&rpe=/rss [00:27:24] [3/6] ;Awake! [00:27:25] [4/6] https://apps.jw.org/E_RSSMEDIAMAG?rln=E&rmn=g&rfm=pdf&rpf=&rpe=/rss [00:27:25] [5/6] Awake! loads just fine, Watchtower doesn't [00:27:25] [6/6] Same code, same site, both are present and downloadable. Still it fails for the first link [00:32:01] it doesn't like The Watchtower for some reason [00:33:01] 😄 [00:33:39] The public version then, the study watchtower come through in both regular and large print 😄 [00:35:33] [1/2] wuh oh [00:35:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1199875168135291010/image.png?ex=65c421d4&is=65b1acd4&hm=150090f2670c58abdd1bd459d60a1f36adb8592a84d866b1148f316f783d8f0b& [00:35:42] probably caused by moving servers so ignore me probably lmao [00:35:49] probably not [00:35:56] it's just that the servers are already on their last leg [00:36:05] so it's normal behavior at this point, migration or not [00:36:29] ohh [00:40:01] How old are these servers now? [00:41:32] you can check by clicking on [[Tech:Servers]] [00:41:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Servers [00:41:34] [00:41:39] ??? [00:41:40] hang on [00:44:39] @rodejong [[Tech:Server usage]] [00:44:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_usage [00:44:49] [00:46:56] Thanks [00:47:30] Almost started a new page there 😄 [00:47:43] yep haha [00:47:45] mistyped [00:48:25] 128 MB ??? 😮 [00:49:23] WOW they don't last long do they?? [00:49:39] 2, 3 years [00:53:06] Is it possible to have a private wiki? [00:54:21] Yes it is [00:54:32] You can select this in your settings [00:56:34] [[Special:ManageWiki/core]] [00:56:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/core [00:56:35] [00:56:53] Special:ManageWiki/core [00:58:05] Your wiki/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/core [01:06:02] Ooohhh a 502 😄 [01:06:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1199883003422326805/image.png?ex=65c42920&is=65b1b420&hm=3c18c49b3fa6d645543742bba8bf79011ec16750b2bb0d1a30402eed762d33e9& [01:06:51] 💀 [01:07:06] Can the private wiki contain anything legal, even if it violates the content policy? [01:07:34] No [01:08:35] Miraheze is so slowly [01:08:51] Yup. It is very slow [01:09:01] which is why we're migrating to new hardware, thanks to our generous donors [01:09:21] praise the donors [01:09:29] Indeed [01:09:36] laud them [01:09:44] hail them [01:09:45] Why not? [01:10:18] The Content Policy isn't designed with being able to break it in mind [01:10:28] <572943> currently miraheze is alternating between 502 and 504 errors for me [01:10:35] <572943> is the migration happening right now? [01:10:36] 503 here [01:10:43] yep came here to see if it was happening to anyone else [01:10:45] migration isn't happening, no [01:10:53] My wiki is working kinda [01:11:00] <572943> i swear it wasn't this slow before [01:11:08] i gave it 5 minutes and i could get back in [01:11:25] i also cant upload images either cuz apparently its having issues with swift [01:11:30] yeah, everything's dead [01:11:41] > PROBLEM - cp24 Varnish Backends on cp24 is CRITICAL: 5 backends are down. mw131 mw132 mw141 mw142 mw143 [01:11:48] we're down entirely [01:12:08] > RECOVERY - cp35 Varnish Backends on cp35 is OK: All 21 backends are healthy [01:12:11] that was fast [01:12:11] fun times [01:12:17] oh slay [01:13:07] But if it's private it won't really affect the public. [01:13:44] [1/2] Ahem. [01:13:45] [2/2] ||Unless something leaks out of a private wiki, likely nothing bad will ever happen|| [01:13:57] the Content Policy also helps us fulfil some legal obligations so a good portion of what's in there is also to help us meet our obligations as a non-profit [01:15:24] If the law doesn't understand that private wikis don't do any harm as long as nothing leaks, the law is stupid. [01:15:54] lol [01:16:54] Go ask gov then, they are responsible for these mess. [01:18:15] the law meddles in all kinds of things that don't do many people harm [01:18:51] chances are you go to enough cities and go about your business you will invariably do something illegal if cops want to twist your arm [01:19:29] Law is law. Wether we like it or not, we have to respect the authorities [01:19:42] ^ [01:20:04] No. I am in America and therefore do not have to respect those UK authorities. [01:20:07] you can try the logic of 'what they don't know doesn't hurt them' entirely at your own risk, the odds may or may not be in your favor and that is up to you alone [01:20:08] Miraheze is kinda slow [01:20:12] Whether it is a stupid law or not, if everyone does what he likes, it becomes anarchy [01:20:24] first of all miraheze under its new/current management is in the us, so [01:20:44] secondly even if it was in the UK, tough shit: you disobey the laws of a uk hosted site, you're off the site, simple as [01:20:48] That doesn't change much [01:21:12] Copyright laws are almost as strict as everywhere else. [01:21:20] Yea [01:21:25] they're somewhat more relaxed now in fact [01:21:26] copyright laws are nicer in the US than the UK [01:21:34] UK's fair dealing was so confusing [01:22:03] but if it was hosted in the uk then you're playing by those rules or you're out and we haven't even gotten started on things like gdpr which affect miraheze regardless where it is hosted [01:22:41] the bri'ish need a taste of some freedom 🇺🇸🦅 [01:23:00] raaahhhh [01:23:02] I'm the last one to preach to about how applications of law/practice can be stupid, just is what it is sometimes [01:23:05] murica #1 [01:23:19] If I can't do whatever legal stuff I want in my private wiki, I'm out until Miraheze changes those policies. [01:23:23] bye [01:23:28] It would be nice with copyright laws that are the same globally, instead of per nation/country/state [01:23:28] there is no other answer [01:23:41] I'm still staying on this server. [01:23:49] LOL [01:23:49] you want a site that has no limitations, host your own website, nearlyfreespeech.net is as close as you will probably find [01:23:51] okay [01:23:59] bro just create your own website at that point [01:24:13] yeah host your own [01:24:19] 000webhost is around the corner [01:24:29] That costs money. [01:24:35] welcome to america [01:24:40] who knew [01:24:40] such is the price of free speech [01:24:41] Money buys freedom they say [01:24:44] well, most of the world but I digress [01:25:10] God bless the capitalist economie system [01:25:11] 000webhost probably won't ding you short of absolutely extreme content but I doubt the grade of service will be amazing [01:25:12] on the topic of free speech that reminds me of twitter [01:25:14] It doesn't seem "wiki-like" enough. [01:25:15] excuse me i mean X [01:25:24] I want it to literally look like wikipedia. [01:25:29] install vanilla mediawiki [01:25:33] dude imagine creating your own wiki through X lmao [01:25:35] you now have something that looks like wikipedia [01:25:35] SO TRUE I LOVE IT WHEN IT COSTS MONEY TO EXIST [01:25:36] like through a thread [01:25:36] In MURICA, free speech is free. [01:25:43] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1199887795657912461/vTjH0LmfveKzI9dAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png?ex=65c42d97&is=65b1b897&hm=97f7b6b4e57c8bc1c5ec3a95f17f75a58fc142b95d8a5bd48c7e208bc3226bc5& [01:25:49] Sounds like communism [01:25:59] just curious, do you believe the first amendment applies to sites hosted on the internet [01:26:00] I don't want to have to install. [01:26:06] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [01:26:21] Preferably, but there is business freedom. [01:26:24] You want to host a wiki no one else will? Learn MediaWiki and set up your server [01:26:32] okay, I wanted to see if you had crossed that line or not [01:26:49] you should just buy miraheze then [01:27:05] take a lot more effort to buy mira than to install mediawiki tbh [01:27:05] 💀 [01:27:06] then you can do whatever u want [01:27:10] and in the latter you might learn something [01:27:17] "I want someone to do everything for me, and I get the credit for it, and no one should bother me" - attitude [01:27:21] okay so tl;dr OP wants a website to host whatever but is cheap, that's about it [01:27:30] this has derailed off topic so I think that's enough [01:27:31] Its not even that hard. I did it in Highschool for a wiki because I knew Miraheze couldnt handle the wiki traffic [01:27:58] what are you even trying to upload anyway 🧍‍♀️ [01:27:59] wait what if you had the server for your website be on your own computer [01:28:02] then it would be free no [01:28:11] i mean it would load at potato speed [01:28:12] but like [01:28:16] Power bill [01:28:17] I’ve set up a MediaWiki instance myself and im borderline incompetent [01:28:27] SAME [01:28:27] just steal electricity from public outlets [01:28:46] security concenrs of letting open internet traffic through your firewall [01:28:52] Even better steal it from your local hospital [01:28:59] they dont really need it [01:28:59] Production is a different beast thou [01:29:06] any success on a residential internet connection is just as likely to be your isp going 'that's not very nice is it' because they don't want customers to be web hosts [01:29:19] Just install it on one computer, and connect with another one, and surf as much as you want on your private wiki [01:29:21] just use a free library computer [01:29:21] #offtopic is better suited for this convo [01:29:58] Back to RSS problem [01:30:18] How do I get it working? [01:30:55] erm "use channels appropriately/as they are named" is not in rules [01:31:15] im just trying to upload a silly lil drawing i did 😭 [01:31:43] though in the meantime im making more drawings [01:32:59] [1/2] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/JW_News [01:33:00] [2/2] I did choose the correct link [01:34:15] I'm looking into this. [01:34:16] what [01:34:18] Maybe I won't be out. [01:36:05] havent you kinda outed yourself to staff though [01:36:34] [1/2] Just to make it 100% clear, wikis both public and private must abide by our content policy. [01:36:35] [2/2] In extreme circumstances, those that don't follow content policy risk deletion without prior notice if the content is especially problematic. We reserve that right as hosts, but hope that it wouldn't ever come to that. [01:37:45] it's not very effective when multiple stewards have also seen the message and will now be on the lookout for someone playing coy and sneaking in a wiki to do something outside scope of the content policy [01:38:42] How come other services can make private wikis free? [01:38:52] Why can't Miraheze do the same? [01:38:56] apples to oranges with no examples to boot [01:39:03] whataboutism will not get you a useful answer [01:39:16] Because the users are (hopefully) abiding the law [01:39:27] We offer private wikis at no cost to you, but we do not offer wikis with no rules attached. [01:39:29] The money comes from donations [01:39:46] his argument is less about the law, he explicitly claims to wish to abide by it, he just doesn't want to follow the platform's rules [01:40:03] which again, does not have a happy ending [01:40:12] The platforms rules are (a) law also [01:40:21] House rules [01:40:33] Ooooh what a shaaaaame, aw guess ya gonna have to selfhost [01:40:33] shuckd [01:40:34] second reminder to disconverse [01:40:52] disconversing 😔 [01:40:58] Is the whole MH dead? [01:41:01] #offtopic we go [01:41:02] Phab is 502 now [01:41:04] I need to converse to make my final decision. [01:41:07] Can I make a thread? [01:41:11] #offtopic [01:41:12] We already said we're not allowing it [01:41:14] there is nothing more to say [01:41:15] Do it in #offtopic [01:41:16] What more do you need? [01:41:23] also this [01:41:27] i have free speech here [01:41:29] for me it's been fluctuating between 502, 503 and 504 and images are not loading well [01:41:35] free speech doesn't include "hate speech" [01:41:37] and it's very slow when it loads [01:41:41] your wasting your time Miraheze isn’t gonna host it [01:41:44] If you're referring to 50X errors, it'll be intermittent until we're on the new platform. [01:41:44] 5xx is server hamster issues [01:41:55] Yeah, 5xx will continue until migration is over [01:41:56] Instituting slowmode [01:42:06] k [01:42:25] likely the disks [01:42:50] I'm getting 502s too [01:43:06] yep. It'll happen on and off and self-resolve. [01:43:33] one of my poor editors got an entire page lost bc he didnt realize 😭 [01:43:34] We're bouncing against the upper limits of what the old hardware can handle, esp. since some hardware went fully offline with the last image outage. [01:43:37] Might want to make sure wiki creations are proceeding properly [01:43:38] Should we expect our individual wikis to go down for some period of time, or just intermittent issues like this for a longer period of time? [01:43:51] Encountered 502s/504s in the middle of approving requests and want to make sure nothing's broken there [01:44:04] Tell them to keep refreshing [01:44:14] As long as they don't leave the page, their edit still has a chance to save [01:44:16] maybe pausing requests wouldn't be a bad idea until stability is more certain [01:44:19] We're aiming to complete migration ASAP, but realistically it'll get better and worse over the next few weeks until we're able to get everything off of hardware. [01:44:44] stability will basically be very low until migration finishes [01:44:46] [1/2] Likely short pause. [01:44:47] [2/2] Once the migration is complete, the server will become highly stable [01:45:09] this migration is the migration to end all slowness during migrations 😆 [01:45:29] Truly end MH's worst nightmare [01:46:08] Longtime lurker here; just want to say I appreciate how transparent y'all have been about what to expect. Fingers crossed migration goes smoothly. 🤞 [01:46:19] do we have a sitenotice out? [01:46:39] No need because likely most things are down now [01:46:51] Hey, much appreciated! Hopefully it'll go swimmingly and this can all be relegated to a bad dream tucked away in a UK datacenter. [01:47:24] @bwm0 I did post file migration notices everywhere [01:47:50] I was meaning more in line of low stability [01:47:57] would it probably be a good idea if we stayed off our wikis while everything migrates? just so we dont lose things? [01:48:17] Yes [01:48:21] If you want. Again, if you do do an edit and receive a 5xx, you can keep refreshing until it saves [01:48:31] as long as you don't leave the page, your edit is still salvageable [01:51:27] Do you guys have good file backups? I always worry that something will go wrong whenever an online platform goes through a server migration. [01:52:15] Just use a text editor. [01:52:18] I don't think we'll lose any data [01:52:25] OK good! [01:52:32] miraheze stepped up its game on backups after the db141 business for sure, and the new servers have a fundamentally better backup scheme from what I recall [01:52:38] Think? [01:52:54] Murphy's law [01:52:58] yeah ill probs just write stuff on my notion or on like docs then migrate it over when it comes back up [01:53:04] The migration is pretty straightforward and if a database doesn't copy over correctly, we still have the copy on the old infrastructure [01:53:54] Best advice: Before submitting... COPY the content of your page. If it fails, it is still in your memory [01:54:30] my vote would be waiting if you can or if you've got the bug, copy/save to text file(s) [01:54:37] Or you could blame the solar flares! I tried to link to a relevant news article but it got blocked. [01:54:58] You need to #verify to post links [01:55:00] 😮 [01:55:20] I've been meaning to do that but haven't gotten around to it yet. [01:57:11] image uploads down [01:57:31] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1199895796724797591/image.png?ex=65c4350a&is=65b1c00a&hm=d6956e6b13649fe86b2d55dfe335a7490b7cf6a5b521e8576164d0215f7fd3ba& [01:57:43] yep, see #announcements [01:57:50] things will be wonky for a while [01:58:08] hopefully not too long [01:59:46] 👍🏾 [02:16:46] when i buy miraheze and turn it into a dating platform >>>> [02:23:10] Dating site for chinchillas? I have a little male chilla here who wants a friend. 🙂 [02:23:32] So, uh, moving forward [02:23:36] #offtopic [02:24:03] Sorry. [02:24:04] it was a joke [02:24:08] but #anyway [02:24:19] how do i add extensions not already on mirahezez? [02:25:07] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/ [02:25:31] You can request it there [02:31:21] (When Phabricator comes back up) [02:33:26] When they unpacked it you mean? 😄 [02:41:53] weird how files work normally but any scaled down version of a file shows "Unauthorized" [02:42:46] yea, images and their thumbnails are handled differently [02:42:50] happened last time swift crashed [02:46:29] Its annoying indeed, but let's hope it will change soon [03:03:41] Moving TB of data thousands of miles -- If you didn't at least need partially degraded service for the transfer you'd almost think its faster to physically ship the hard drives to get best transfer speed per distance traveled [03:05:30] Let's hope there aren't any Russian Hackers reading along to see if they can hijack all that data 😮 [03:05:49] After all the migrating, everything will be on NVME drives [03:06:25] That means absolutely nothing to me 😄 sorry, But I guess that it means "state of the art drives" [03:07:51] [[Wikipedia:NVM Express]] [03:07:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NVM_Express [03:14:40] Will there be loss of data if we try to edit during the migration [03:15:04] no [03:19:09] Will the migration take less than a month? [03:19:17] nvme vs old drives = ferrari vs stagecoach [03:37:33] you live in the uk? [03:47:39] Red Bull Racing vs. Haas F1 is a better one 😄 [04:08:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1199928705233981470/image.png?ex=65c453b0&is=65b1deb0&hm=e1f079b69270bf08738ed7a5be3a564977ecd40ea5ca6d903561e30d92bcd6b1& [04:08:32] 😐 [04:08:45] Is gonna be harder... [04:15:20] I use most images from [[c:]] so no worries for me 😄 [04:15:20] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/ [04:15:21] [04:19:17] i remember i used a lotta commons when images went down last year haha [04:21:14] How many teras does Miraheze has of pictures and videos? [04:23:33] I never stopped using them. [04:24:06] wsmart tbh [04:28:27] Why go through the pain of uploading and filling in the info and licenses if it's already available? 😉 [04:29:55] about 3 TB is currently assigned to file storage, not completely sure how much of it is actually used right now [04:31:03] Not more? Surprising. Thought it would be much more. [04:32:34] actually make that 4.5 TB [04:32:53] (docs were outdated) [04:33:37] I kind of wonder how hard it would be to plug an external hard drive into the servers, download the files, ship the hard drive to SLC, and then load the files that way. [04:34:14] I think the biggest constraint there is logistical [04:34:27] Like, actually getting into the data center and loitering around with your hard drive plugged in to the server [04:34:29] on the new infra capacity will be 6TB [04:36:56] ? Wow 😮 I would have expected something around 70 to 100 TB [04:37:26] I'm not sure Miraheze has much streaming video. That would be the big disk hog [04:40:08] Yeah, that saves a lot but still. ... I'm surprised and lost for words 😄 [04:46:48] I just hope they use super velocity usb cables for the transferation. [04:49:20] I just hope there won't be an anchor ripping a sea cable over. That would be unfortunate 😮 [04:49:59] I'm off to bed. It's almost 5 am and I am talking nonsense 😄 [04:51:00] 🛌 zzZZzzZZ [04:52:51] Wow bro, be more careful with your sleep hours, your health will decrease with time, and that can provoke brain injury. (You'll start seeing shadow ppl). [04:53:02] Good night, Ro. [05:50:59] <.labster> I'm pretty sure all of our USB cables are gold-plated for superior sound quality [06:00:21] what does it take for wiki pages to show up on Google? [06:00:34] rn, the only pages showing up for my wiki are the main page and a template page [06:01:10] some do show up, but a lot don’t [06:01:19] And how do you hear a picture? [06:02:48] <.labster> Just the same as the average Joe with synesthesia [06:10:37] register search console, verify the site w/ a key it gives in wiki's settings, submit sitemaps to console, pray google will start indexing pages soon [06:11:42] and if you are lucky, it still will takes time for pages to get on even second page [06:12:34] the secret of fandom ridiculously strong seo are core changes of mediawiki [06:13:26] worth to note that other search engines pick up on new sites faster, probably because they're less popular -> less loaded than google [06:15:00] like it took about 3 months for google to start indexing my first wiki, meanwhile bing noticed it by itself right on the first week, I registered its console much later and literally had nothing to do it [07:09:31] we have the gold plated kind from best buy, they cost more so that definitely means they're better [07:32:28] first page of google results club :pinecone_thumbsup: [08:11:27] Anyone here have experience putting plain links into templates? [08:56:01] @poopy_kibble why'd you leave visionworks server? [09:41:02] [1/2] Do you mean without the external link indicator following the link? [09:41:02] [2/2] There is a template on mediawiki.org that covers that called Template:Plain link [09:47:15] [1/2] I mean I’ve got a plain link (using the {{Plain link|url|alt text}} format that you can make with the template), but I’m trying to have another separate template look at a plain link when one is present and identify it as just the alt text. [09:47:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Plain_link [09:47:15] [2/2] E.G., the taxobox template will color a specific way when it detects the string“animal”, but using the plain link (for the Wikipedia article) results in the taxobox not getting colored. [09:49:44] <.labster> It sounds like you want to modify the template you're using to ignore the other template. [09:51:30] [1/2] I've had problems with google insofar as my indexed pages slowly went up (took about six months to show anything) and now they've gone right back down to practically nothing after about a year. I currently have 68 pages as "Crawled - currently not indexed" with a failed validation (again), and 991 pages with "Discovered - currently not indexed" [09:51:30] [2/2] with a 2nd validation process that started on 30 October last year and it's still ongoing. No matter what I try my pages will just not index! [09:57:19] [1/7] the only thing you can do in this case is manually submit each page for indexing (there's day limit), and then hope for the best [09:57:19] [2/7] for example, I've started new wiki in october, it's a fandom fork, by late november I finished migration, reworked all templates, even rewrote some pages and optimized categories [09:57:19] [3/7] submitted sitemaps, but knowing how long it takes a started requesting indexing, started w/ 30 character pages [09:57:19] [4/7] thing is that you are making crawler manually check the page, and it say if it can be indexed or not, and then you actually request indexing [09:57:20] [5/7] ok, 30 pages, they started appearing in results in about a week, nice [09:57:20] [6/7] one month later - half of them were unindexed, what I do? right, request indexing again [09:57:20] [7/7] but 99% the reason was problems w/ files and 503 [09:58:48] yesterday I got a notice from console that 503/502 prevent indexing on Pizza Tower Wiki, where I admin [09:59:54] mind you, google indexed PTW right on the first week after xml import, probably because of high popularity of the subject, it even fetched fandom garbage and user pages [10:00:37] but we still struggle in SEO against Fandom [10:01:06] Yesterday I started with some manual index requests, only five or six, but I guess I'll pick out most of the main pages (it's only a small wiki atm) and see if that helps. [10:01:56] It's just strange that after a year of trying to index the site, there are now only 12 pages indexed! [10:02:24] I guess the 503s don't help [10:02:24] google is enigma, and it particularly seems to dislike wiki sites [10:02:41] apart from wikipedia! [10:02:52] fandom has a whole team dedicated to seo, who constantly push mediawiki hacks [10:03:06] well, it's wikipedia lol [10:03:11] What the hell is going on [10:03:12] nothing compares lol [10:03:28] My main wiki, which has been online the longest is always at the top of the search results, and I didn't even submit a map or do anything. [10:03:52] [1/2] another discussion [10:03:52] [2/2] if you are not used to active server maybe it's bette eto mute channels and hope in when you need help etc [10:04:48] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [10:05:22] [1/2] I tried doing that with the plain link embedded in nowiki on the template responsible for assigning color. A bunch of different variations of it didn’t work either. [10:05:22] [2/2] I do have a thread for it that I’ll retreat back into since folks are talking in this channel currently; just wanted to poke my head out and ask here because it’s been several days of me just talking to myself in there. 😂 [10:05:56] it took about three months for my main wiki to appear in google, but rn I'm not worried about it cus a) no fandom version b) a tiktok trend helped to push some pages to the top lol [10:10:35] [1/2] My problem is there is hotel's website with a very similar name, and another website also with the same name, just hyphenated, and they have both been around it would appear for a long time. So, I am competing with those and a host of other site of the same subject. I just don't understand why it is taken months to validate the bulk of my pages [10:10:35] [2/2] when the general chatter is it should only take a few weeks. Maybe I am doing something wrong. [10:11:28] it's really just google being a picky thing in most cases [10:11:45] what can help to boost pages, from my experience [10:13:47] [1/2] posting links to wiki on different sites, be it yt comments, facebook, reddit, etc - and even fandom, because of its high seo rep (hence why they blacklisted wiki gg and new mc wiki links lol) [10:13:47] [2/2] and embedding youtube videos, but that depends on wiki's subject ofc [10:14:55] people say that actual clicks in google do nothing, but I think that exactly what helped my first wiki in the first year [10:15:17] I just was trying different queries, checking if pages appear, and then clicking then [10:15:38] used vpn and incognito tho lol [10:16:53] and I've heard it particularly favors facts of clicks from google chrome usage, and it's just spying on users, to see what they're interested in [10:25:59] (Cannot access the database: Cannot access the database: Connection refused (db131)) [10:26:03] btw, indie game wikis - go to igdb and submit your forks as wiki links (it requires twitch account I think), they recently started accepting such corrections, replacing fandom links [10:26:11] 😮 [10:26:14] i just got this error too [10:26:28] server took a nap [10:26:36] RIP [10:26:37] womp womp [10:26:42] too much stress w/ move [10:26:59] even if it hasn't started lol [10:27:16] luckily i copied the page i was working on before the server took a nap [10:27:20] it knows it's gonna be replaced soon so it's throwing a fit [10:27:24] server has anxiety fr [10:34:33] Why are so many people joining. 6 people have joined in the last 10 or so minutes. [10:34:50] cuz server is down so people wanna know why [10:35:27] classics [10:35:44] hi [10:35:59] what happen to Mirahaze? [10:36:04] Are miraheze wikis move to wikitide base or wikitide wikis move to miraheze base? [10:36:37] [1/2] servers are upset over being decommissioned lol [10:36:37] [2/2] the platform is moving to new faster server [10:36:51] #announcements [10:36:57] oh, i see [10:37:48] [1/2] wdym by base? [10:37:48] [2/2] if servers - Mira -> WT, because Mira server are old and cranky [10:37:49] Can't wait for like 50 people to join in the next day or so [10:38:02] db141 memories [10:38:16] nothing close to db141 [10:38:22] that was a disaster ... [10:38:25] well i mean in terms of people joining [10:38:36] it was like that before too lil [10:38:39] and the ddos [10:38:46] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1200026970294063104/image0.jpg?ex=65c4af35&is=65b23a35&hm=b8768f7bbc9d5d65b7a1da6f2582eddf8d853210125e0c9540f18548da563dd3& [10:39:43] yeah i think i joined when db141 happened lol [10:39:57] [1/2] yeah, logical [10:39:57] [2/2] wikitide is now just an organisation which owns miraheze, and some wikis they managed to create prior [10:40:10] <.elizabethy_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1200027324905697322/image.png?ex=65c4af89&is=65b23a89&hm=9253ad8db53fffda70f2128e6e5b9e8e3955137b05b9ede94f0f9a39e8150780& [10:40:11] <.elizabethy_> Well time to take a break :) [10:40:13] i joined at that time cause i didn't know a discord server existed before [10:40:57] We're all suffering 😄 [10:41:05] <.elizabethy_, replying to rodejong> I was kinda working on my CSS [10:41:10] <.elizabethy_> then I saw the time [10:41:29] <.elizabethy_> I quickly ctrl + A and ctrl + C [10:42:12] this what kids in school should be taught [10:42:18] Yeah I've been doing that for a few weeks now [10:42:24] Yup [10:42:35] hey man [10:42:39] Creation [10:42:39] All those 50X's [10:42:43] <.elizabethy_> Slap it in notepad or anything that you can cram that line of code that you placed ! [10:42:48] I hope this all migration will be good in the end. [10:42:54] 100% [10:43:06] the old servers are so old [10:43:07] [1/2] For me: [10:43:07] [2/2] Miraheze>Fandom [10:43:12] No offence. [10:43:18] 3 year olds that is [10:43:28] Fandom? YUK [10:43:59] Quality of Mira and its group is way better than at Fandom/Wikia! [10:44:10] No toxic, e.g. [10:44:15] we are just a little struggling [10:44:19] a bit [10:44:33] fuck, how's that saying in english goes [10:44:37] 😀 [10:45:06] Don't worry. I'm Polish. [10:45:13] I was on fandom for a long time but then I moved to here last year and I like miraheze a lot better cuz you can do a bit more stuff (also i can make it private so i dont have to share my ocs with the world lol) [10:45:18] [1/2] through hardship to the stars [10:45:18] [2/2] here [10:45:20] :amuro: [10:45:28] I'm Dutch living in Denmark (Hi neighbour Poland) [10:45:40] So English ain't mine native too. [10:45:45] it's через тернии к звездам in Russian, tbh like this more than English [10:45:50] i only use fandom for a few wikis but that's just cause seo stuff would ruin a fork of them lol [10:46:28] Ты Русский? [10:46:46] nah, but I was born here, so pretty much a native lang [10:47:09] So where are ya from then? [10:48:50] that's a personal info ain't sharing, I had reason long before 2022 [10:51:16] Same here. Learned that the hard way. [10:53:36] db131 is down [10:54:03] yeah its been down for a lil now [10:54:33] time to do other things, like crawling out of art block while procrastinating at work :D [10:54:39] like half an hour womp womp [10:54:59] yeah ive taken this time to catch up on the art i need to draw for my wiki [10:56:03] How long before miraheze starts working? [10:56:42] https://youtube.com/watch?v=gqqm9CMKrA4 [10:57:15] LOL, We don't have a glass bowl to see the future in [10:57:25] ball [10:57:32] Ah... [10:57:43] ofcourse [10:57:51] 🔮 [10:57:53] I've seen scrying in bowls [10:58:04] LOL [10:58:09] in fact, we don't know if it's random downtime (most likely) or part of migration (least likely) [10:58:36] It's the first time for me I see this (Cannot access the database: Cannot access the database: Connection refused (db131)) [10:58:37] well, a bowl of water used like that somewhere [10:58:55] probably a wee complication of the former brought on by the latter [10:58:55] can't remember where [10:59:11] would not be miraheze if something wasn't going funny [10:59:20] rip [10:59:32] Hey, that keeps us communicating 😄 [10:59:33] shall we ping [10:59:43] pingeling [11:00:02] at least OA should not sleeping lol [11:00:07] but probably busy ofc [11:00:23] probs cuz i think lots of people will come in asking about it if it's not resolved soon lol [11:00:46] /will smith posing to #announcements/ [11:03:24] https://twitter.com/MirahezeStatus [11:03:29] Nothing there [11:03:56] They probably should write it there, after all, they ask us to go look there [11:03:56] tbf that account hasnt posted anything since july last year [11:04:03] indeed [11:04:06] people when they spend 5 minutes without wiki 😢 [11:04:44] macfan controls that account I think? [11:04:50] it's very irregularly maintained for sure [11:07:28] well, considering that twitter embeddings is broken ... [11:08:36] personally I'd favor letting that site die completely and permanently [11:08:56] make a notice on error pages or something, discord note [11:13:26] I see [11:14:17] [1/2] Just askin'. [11:14:17] [2/2] How long db131 will take long, mate? [11:14:37] Hope this won't be for 1 month. [11:15:44] [1/2] I'm not a sysadmin man, no idea what's the cause rn, but tech folks started migration and it clearly upsets old server [11:15:44] [2/2] #announcements [11:16:33] it certainly won't be a month [11:16:46] I'd be surprised if the affair is more than a few days total [11:17:10] mhm mhm [11:17:23] as usual the issue pops up at a horrible time after the techs were already fussing about it all of yesterday [11:17:48] plus we were saying earlier its probs best to not do as many edits on the wiki's anyway cuz migration is making stuff funky like now [11:18:24] so takes some time to relax or work on stuff outside of the wiki while its down then copy it over if you can [11:19:21] saw a post of someone editing what, 12 hours a day... time for a vacation [11:19:50] i get like that sometimes if i have like a big burst of creative motivation [11:20:00] but then afterwards i get burnt out lol [11:20:37] miraheze died 😩 [11:20:43] looks like it’s not just me [11:20:45] womp womp [11:20:50] tragic because I wrote a lot… [11:20:57] before i could save [11:21:02] praying it saves anyway on relod [11:21:08] oh no! [11:21:13] any news about it so far? [11:21:25] im hoping to although i had it copied then i studifly copied over it 😭 [11:21:29] What happened to Miraheze Wikis [11:21:40] see above [11:21:41] Miaheze HQ got nuked [11:21:46] sad day for wiki editors [11:21:50] #announcements [11:22:06] The server is throwing a tantrum because we're breaking up with it for a better server [11:22:15] i'm boringgg [11:22:18] :amuro: [11:22:21] bored [11:22:25] someone tripped and spilled their morning coffee on the servers [11:22:35] proof that coffee bad [11:22:47] What is Miraheze migrating to [11:22:55] america [11:23:05] WikiTide, to be specific [11:23:46] From the UK to US America 🇺🇸 [11:23:53] they said that files might get delayed by the migration, but not a server-wide outage… [11:24:04] this is unusually long too [11:24:22] i’m guessing an admin isn’t noticed yet [11:24:29] So Miraheze is migrating from the UK to US America 🇺🇸 [11:24:32] yes [11:24:34] tragically [11:25:02] What is WikiTide what country [11:25:12] amereeka [11:25:26] a rival wiki hosting service [11:25:34] led by ex-Miraheze folks [11:25:38] that was the story anyway [11:25:44] now they’re merging again [11:25:54] bc Miraheze is dying [11:25:57] financially [11:26:18] that’s the gist of the situation anyway [11:26:22] you just haven't witnessed the great db141 incident [11:26:39] db131 is shaping up to be its successor [11:27:10] https://tenor.com/view/red-alert2-command-and-conquer-yuri-noo-gif-20072464 [11:27:13] idk if migration actually started but it's clear old server gonna be affected [11:27:19] PTSD turned on! [11:27:28] sorry mate [11:27:32] migration definitely started at least [11:27:45] ah, see [11:27:53] np🤣 [11:28:02] this is a bump in the road exacerbated by all the techs who were on all day yesterday getting some z's today [11:28:26] someone might be looking and too busy, who knows [11:28:37] What country is WikiTide in [11:28:41] WikiTide [11:28:45] US [11:28:45] us-idaho [11:28:54] well idaho is the incorporation state [11:29:09] no, it's a country now [11:29:12] nice [11:29:16] What state is Miraheze going to in the US [11:29:27] that is why I mentioned idaho [11:29:30] Whatever. [11:29:37] though physically I'm pretty sure it's cloud based [11:29:37] There are 50 states [11:29:43] there is one that was named [11:29:50] Anywhere but not to Fandom. [11:29:53] Server taking a nap [11:29:55] though cloud servers are not limited by state [11:29:58] no states in the wonderful virtual world [11:30:02] Or should I call thee. [11:30:10] Femdom. XD [11:30:14] oh [11:30:21] this a christian server buddy [11:30:33] report to the flogging altar immediately [11:30:45] why [11:30:57] did fendom enter this conversation [11:31:10] What state is Fandom in [11:31:17] hell [11:31:24] 😄 [11:31:25] postal code HL666 [11:31:34] https://tenor.com/view/die-gun-shotgun-deus-vult-gif-17767114 [11:31:44] specifically it's in the state of despair [11:31:51] 🤣 [11:31:58] state of corruption [11:32:12] state of wasting time stealing other wikis’ work [11:32:22] .... RUNS OUT OF DISCORD [11:32:23] FANDOM is more restrictive and several reasons that’s why I don’t host my Wikis there anymore [11:32:58] even ignoring everything [11:33:02] State of political correction! [11:33:06] the performance on f*ndom is terrible [11:33:08] soeed [11:33:24] it's wonderful in layers of blockers [11:33:31] When I said I don't have gf they called me gay. [11:33:39] I'm spoiled by the fact I've virtually never seen an ad there [11:33:56] Yeah. Femdom is a nightmare. [11:34:14] don’t confuse the two [11:34:23] there are on different grounds [11:34:30] there are very important distinctions there for sure [11:35:45] one sucks [11:35:56] I don't want to see this punchline [11:36:20] [1/2] I take it the migration is causing the entire wiki's not to load [11:36:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1200041459403984958/image.png?ex=65c4bcb3&is=65b247b3&hm=6b61036c9e284a79d31dbe1c5865e92049a3bc7ba380d7b144a6a3c08620d2ac& [11:36:34] no it’s an unrelated issue [11:36:38] a server pooped from indignation at being abandoned [11:36:44] swuirrel invaded the server room [11:36:54] sre will poke around as soon as they've got animal control ^ [11:37:10] data may be lost [11:37:20] where is internet data even stored [11:37:22] I wouldn't go that far [11:37:29] on some computer [11:37:37] and if that computer dies? [11:37:44] hope it's mirrored to another computer/drive [11:37:56] which miraheze has done especially after 141 [11:38:04] ohew [11:38:06] pjew [11:38:07] phew [11:38:09] there are backups [11:38:17] db141 trauma [11:38:30] whats happening with db131 [11:38:32] miraheze could not continue to operate without doing better from that one [11:38:34] What happend with db141? [11:38:53] db141 was a perfect disaster of multiple drives going down and sloppy backup practice resulting in true data loss [11:38:54] it died, taking around 1500 wikis w/ it [11:38:59] I joined in November [11:39:07] it was in november 2022 [11:39:07] Yikes [11:39:20] most of wikis were recovered tho [11:39:28] but some of them in old state [11:39:31] older copies were found and most things could be put together ye [11:39:37] I don't remember all details now [11:39:55] basically they got older saves and lost half a month-a month [11:40:31] never again [11:40:56] anyway I think we're in for a day of pointing people to announcements and 'sorry folks sre will stop in' [11:41:03] That's still a lot if you just started a new wiki and imported all the modules and templates with their dependend files though [11:41:16] some wikis were indeed lost that way [11:41:43] aight so is db131 temporarily down or is this part of the migration? getting conflicting info here [11:42:04] both is my take of it, though the outage was not desired [11:43:28] even tho 2022 backups were sloppy, it still was better than Fandom's complete lack of backups [11:43:46] They have no backups? [11:43:48] :seddon: [11:43:50] 😮 [11:43:51] fandom has always had an interesting way of things [11:44:30] [1/2] they'll give xml dump on request, and that's all [11:44:30] [2/2] if wiki gets nuked - w/ or w/o warning, or even by accident - there's no way to reccover it [11:45:18] Wow [11:45:32] btw just sent some pokes and sre has seen it, just need the right people on to kick the server in shape [11:46:02] so, this means that fandom admins should backup by themselves [11:47:53] apparently fandom support is pretty good [11:48:06] well, they get paid lol [11:48:12] must be because everyone is getting off their website [11:48:17] aight it's back now. woo hoo [11:48:44] ITS BACk [11:48:48] CONFIRMEd [11:48:51] WE'RE SO BACK [11:48:54] Back to work [11:49:07] hurry up 😺 [11:49:20] /bye [11:50:25] thank paladox [11:50:34] did some of the wiki pages revert? [11:50:44] <.labster, replying to lovesnextmissessandra> WikiTide Foundation is in Idaho, servers are in Salt Lake City, Utah with backups in New York. [11:51:00] i swear some of them got reverted or maybe just another user did that [11:51:30] not hard to verify if it was indeed a user [11:52:12] <.labster> We will also have some cache proxies to get a little closer to our users around the world. [11:53:51] I believe Fandom does backup in S3. [11:54:09] Miraheze is back [11:54:47] I would believe fandom has some degree of backup for true platform cataclysm but they wouldn't be bothered to offer it to end users when they've washed their hands of a wiki [11:55:27] Probably for the larger wikis that drive the most traffic but outside of that I doubt they have anything up to date [11:55:30] Yeah the backup is probably deleted when a wiki is perm deleted. [11:55:37] yay we back [11:55:54] oa said it best pretty much [11:55:58] But they have replication upon replication so the event of downtime and data loss is probably not high. [11:56:00] now to see if the edit i was working on got saved or not [11:56:17] oa is familiar with the platform so he'd know better than anyone here how fandom would work [11:56:24] LETS GO IT SAVED MY EDIT [11:58:23] (Just make sure to refresh the page rather than manually go onto the page) [12:00:36] yippee! thank you server people [12:05:18] <.elizabethy_> I have arisen. [12:05:23] <.elizabethy_> Again [12:05:32] <.elizabethy_> I have finally finished mah css :3 [12:05:52] <.elizabethy_> Now can't wait for them to hand me a workload of plans and layouts :NPCPunkerSob: [12:10:01] [1/2] Чините давайте [12:10:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1200049936323055676/image.png?ex=65c4c498&is=65b24f98&hm=ef82b24880ffd1b0ee55520d25adf8991e2fb73fc3d1faca1ae0772460a892f0& [12:10:05] а то всё плохо [12:16:00] <.elizabethy_, replying to mrrist> Вы пробовали еще раз перезагрузить страницу? [12:16:39] <.elizabethy_> Либо зайдите в поддержку и разберитесь с этим, либо спросите об этом других участников :) [12:21:08] [1/3] Hi. Is it related to migration or another problem? It's just that we have a large community and this kind of problem is very serious. [12:21:08] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1200052735580581929/2024-01-25_15.11.33.png?ex=65c4c734&is=65b25234&hm=8a4dbe1c655ae216688ccaa3085c5ca4fb652cc37cdba5b74946711aa5a088a7& [12:21:09] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1200052735840624690/2024-01-25_15.19.49.png?ex=65c4c734&is=65b25234&hm=d048c8f8666795a618c3be35d80a190ea12ca0e3414c62cf999e46209a0307b1& [12:21:58] <.elizabethy_, replying to theflipy> It's quite possibly related to the moderation, I think waiting should be ok unless someone with more knowledge about servers comes in. [12:24:53] Okay. I would be grateful if someone could explain exactly what the problem is. [12:25:05] For now, we'll just wait. [12:27:08] boreeed [12:27:16] :amuro: [12:30:29] <.elizabethy_, replying to deleteduserf0bd3b64> Work. [12:33:23] <.elizabethy_, replying to theflipy> It's possibly just the server being updated. [12:36:09] <.elizabethy_> [1/2] According to sources possibly wrong here. [12:36:09] <.elizabethy_> [2/2] If the website is undergoing migration, it could indeed be the cause of the "Unauthorized" error. Migration processes often involve moving data, updating configurations Obviously , and potentially changing authentication methods. During this transition, the server may temporarily restrict access or experience issues validating user credentials. [12:38:24] If that's the case, fine. [12:38:30] but sad a:Cattys: [12:42:37] <.elizabethy_, replying to theflipy> :3 [12:42:43] <.elizabethy_> yeah we are all sadge :< [12:58:09] that screenshot kinda looks like the server's a bit confused if it's pulling from a private wiki source given the unauthorized error [12:58:11] #announcements [12:58:29] and yes, almost certainly transition related unless you did a switch from public/private or the like just now [13:13:58] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1200066030467301497/image.png?ex=65c4d395&is=65b25e95&hm=b435b2eb297b9839148b1e52f9ba5d367ab7d04435930201f4b41e35bcce07a4& [13:14:01] nothing i wrote got saved [13:14:08] https://tenor.com/view/suicide-gif-14427950 [13:15:24] always have a local copy especially beyond minor edits is my policy [13:15:24] i gotta start writing this stuff offline [13:17:13] yep [13:17:16] yep... [13:19:49] 10 [13:28:32] oh no! [13:46:27] <.elizabethy_> [1/2] Is it possible to change the color of this? [13:46:27] <.elizabethy_> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1200074205434216508/image.png?ex=65c4db32&is=65b26632&hm=5c536c846b32f05fc64d70cea9e98dea2cef841fbc8ab2ab494b4c70411a2321& [13:46:37] <.elizabethy_> (The only thing blinding me) [13:54:31] this thing killed some braincells of mine lol [13:55:25] <.elizabethy_> I saw one of the forums and it had filters. [13:55:39] first - this player is browser specific, in firefox it looks different, idk about other chromium based browsers [13:55:54] it does but you can't modify it w/ css [13:56:03] w/ js - perhaps [13:56:08] but no guarantee [13:56:17] <.elizabethy_> I heard that we could change it with filters although Xena is offline. [13:56:29] <.elizabethy_> Appearance and color since I am suffering from it. [13:56:33] <.elizabethy_> [1/2] ```fix [13:56:34] <.elizabethy_> [2/2]