[00:26:41] Still can't access Miraheze [00:44:48] <.labster, replying to verityoffaith> I want to say within a day but everyone is busy lately [00:45:47] If they get a request in this evening, I can make it happen. [00:46:40] <.labster> What happened to the fundraiser global site notice? [00:48:34] 👍 would appreciate it [00:48:46] not urgent in the grand scheme of things, don't worry about it too much [00:50:10] I am off to bed.🛌 Have a nice day, evening or sleep weel too 🙂 [00:50:18] ZzZzzzZzzz [00:59:07] i've given them two weeks to request it, but hopefully they'll do it today [02:41:37] They did... An adequate job [02:43:30] Rename done, please feel free to request they do an additional rename if the issue isn't resolved. [02:44:51] :squint: [02:45:00] thank you for the assistance [02:45:05] Yeah... [02:46:10] That emoji is very accurate to my initial read [02:46:48] probably most people's first reactions honestly [02:46:57] if we need extra help, will let you know [02:47:23] Yep. Just let us know. [03:13:54] Processed and approved, thanks for bearing w delay. [03:40:38] Hello! For a game wiki, since the dev omitted the event end date in patch notes, my only source for it is the game's discord chat. Is that even a valid source? How should I quote it on the page? [03:41:21] quick answer: Is possible to request a wiki like `gb.wiki.miraheze.org` [03:44:57] On my wiki, we have a template that includes a link to the message, the author and date of the message, and a full copy of the excerpt [03:53:54] Please answer that question! [04:01:25] [1/2] again, please be patient [04:01:25] [2/2] if you mean having a dot in subdomain - no [04:03:23] [1/2] But if, for example: I have an American English wiki on wiki.miraheze.org, so for the british one can be gb-wiki.miraheze.org [04:03:24] [2/2] Theres not yet any language URLs on Miraheze [04:07:26] [1/3] pretty sure no symbols are allowed, people would just merge words [04:07:26] [2/3] or use Translate extension [04:07:27] [3/3] there's also custom domain option [04:09:19] non alphanumeric characters will not be allowed in subdomain requests, so no formulation that involves something other than a through z and 1 through 0 will work [04:16:13] <.labster> In an absolute sense it’s possible of course. It’s that just because CW maps directly to a MySQL identifier? [04:17:00] I broke an SQL table at work at least once by using - instead of _ lol [04:18:14] <.labster> You didn’t break the table right? Just queries not using backticks which are most of them [04:18:28] yeee I guess [04:18:33] Absolute sure, but CW form will reject questionable inputs. [04:19:27] Hi hi! How long does it usually take for requests to be reviewed? [04:20:45] usually couple of hours, depends on who from wiki creators is online [04:21:04] What does the custom extension request process look like for wikis that are looking to move to Miraheze but are heavily reliant on two custom extensions? [04:22:24] File a task on Phabricator: https://phabricator.miraheze.org [04:22:33] I suppose custom means that it's not even on mediawiki.org? [04:22:55] I don't believe it is, no [04:23:10] If it's fully homembrew, it very much depends. [04:23:56] <.labster> I’ve written extensions for MW which are used on Miraheze. Of course I posted to mediawiki.org [04:24:25] It should be fine as long as it can pass a security review [04:25:00] It is homebrew. It's been in use for several years on our wiki, hosted on Fandom, so I don't think stability should be a major concern since we've had no issues in that time [04:25:20] Alright, I'll file a ticket on Phab and see where it goes, thanks all [04:25:49] <.labster> Im more worried about security than stability though. I’m good at finding XSS bugs [04:26:20] If fandom owns the code to it as well that's a different additional concern [04:26:29] I'm not sure if the extension's been audited [04:26:44] are sure it is an extension? [04:26:48] It's ours and open-source/MIT [04:26:52] <.labster> That’s part of the process here, no worries [04:26:52] File the task and we'll look into it \:P [04:26:56] Yes it is [04:27:24] thought fandom is too strict on what users bring up [04:27:50] Fandom used to allow some... interesting configurations [04:28:01] We came from a self-hosted setup to Gamepedia and then to Fandom, and removing the extension would basically break the wiki, so it remained [04:28:09] before js hack incident? [04:28:12] Sounds like they're part of the old guard. (yep) [04:28:23] ah [04:31:04] I believe it was part of some convoluted partnership between Curse (who owned GP at the time) and the old hosts of the wiki, who also developed Minecraft modpacks [04:31:12] It's... a whole thing lmao [04:31:20] interesting [04:31:50] (For reference, Curse also owned a mod/modpack hosting website at that same time) [04:32:52] But in domains are allowed "-"s [04:33:55] [1/2] in custom - yes [04:33:55] [2/2] in `wiki.miraheze.org` - no [04:34:03] What Legroom said [04:34:26] In other words, you can have `custom.yourdomain.com` but not `gb.mywiki.miraheze.org` [04:34:28] But why not!? [04:34:29] btw, omw to work and can't access Mira w/ VPN running [04:34:41] Any characters that aren't A through Z or 0 through 9, including hyphens [04:35:26] Stay safe, and have a good 'morrow, future human [04:35:43] I'll reach 29 Jan in a few hours. 😄 [04:35:47] tech nuances, as was said earlier [04:36:00] lmao [04:37:27] So in this case, how I will make the wiki [04:38:44] [1/3] don't use symbols [04:38:45] [2/3] or [04:38:45] [3/3] use Translate extension, so you'd have one base wiki which can be translate, for example see main Meta Wiki [04:39:32] Or create a namespace called en-gb: [04:40:01] uh, oir italian anon is back [04:40:30] how one can be so dense [04:40:33] Noooo, I thought we got 'em this time [04:40:41] Alright, on it in a bit, is this on Meta I assume? [04:40:46] yes [04:43:54] can we block the range pwease lol [04:44:07] who already has an account won't have problems [04:44:31] We actually did a pretty big range block already, I'll look at whether a more expansive block is worth doing. [04:44:35] who don't would have same procedure as other people blocked in tangees [04:45:17] I'd prefer not to block anon editing for an entire country because of one dingus, but... [04:45:53] I thought it's one ISP xd [04:46:19] Miraheze: Italians don't interact [04:46:45] Pizza Tower Wiki goes self-hosting [04:46:55] Mamma mia! [05:13:56] Here we go again... [05:14:31] 🎵 Range block, how can I resist you 🎵 (to the tune of Mamma Mia! by ABBA) [05:17:42] [1/2] for some reason the preview thing extension isn't working while i'm logged in to my wiki accout [05:17:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1201395726513610823/image.png?ex=65c9a9f6&is=65b734f6&hm=1ab2a6b37c22b95f1dba81cfc6de4d247d2a37826dba27b085fcf82cba317960& [05:18:07] ^ this is on incognito on the same browser [05:18:23] [1/2] this is while i'm logged in and all [05:18:23] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1201395896672321577/image.png?ex=65c9aa1e&is=65b7351e&hm=04538b15e68022689e16983e36749de4f6d78b4c5bfb5d8cfd69a028e21e0622& [05:19:22] nvm it was disabled in my preferences [05:19:27] i checked it before but couldn't find it until now [05:19:35] https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-gif-21055622 [05:19:51] https://tenor.com/view/angry-blade-runner-2049-ryan-gosling-anger-gif-16634156 [05:19:54] It happens [05:21:28] [1/2] on that note though, what are some causes of preview errors? [05:21:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1201396676078866563/image.png?ex=65c9aad8&is=65b735d8&hm=2e8dea2710a9dd5d9144e9c1cad71b82aa5a3a3df2b4146b9247752a06bf8a68& [05:21:48] barely any pages actually work with the preview [05:22:20] can test: https://jojomodding.miraheze.org/wiki/News:Sofdec2_discoveries [05:22:34] i'm not noticing anything unique to the pages that do work... [05:22:41] apart from the fact that they just do [05:23:32] e.g. this "Eyes of Heaven" page is older than some of the other working pages, and also shows up on Google when searched for, unlike some other pages [05:23:41] yet it does not display a preview [05:23:52] My wiki was approved! Yay! [05:24:29] congrats! [05:25:42] [1/2] there's also a case like this where the page does have an infobox image, but it doesn't show up in the preview [05:25:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1201397739880198165/image.png?ex=65c9abd6&is=65b736d6&hm=2fb3fe93e2c26d14fbaf16b447b9f98c5d922a8f67f308a7c5bcf5237a1fc87b& [05:28:59] page images being picky [05:41:27] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_permissions#Buehl106_(Wiki_creator) Why is this RfP still open? [05:41:48] I didn't even realize there was an RfP open [05:47:29] Uhhh, oops. [05:47:36] I also didn't know this was still open [05:55:51] @agentisai I'll handle close, take it easy. 🙂 [05:58:51] Thank you \:) [06:08:26] Is it possible to use the Wikipedia Template:Infobox on my wiki? [06:09:08] [[infobox]] for more details on why and why not [06:09:08] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/infobox [06:09:09]

[06:12:11] So, is Portable Infobox the generally recommended type? [06:14:24] correct [06:14:35] less hassle, easier to maintain [06:18:25] [1/2] Is there a reason the Vector 2022 skin removes the wiki's logo? https://wiki.valkyrienskies.org/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=vector-2022 [06:18:25] [2/2] (vector skin has it: https://wiki.valkyrienskies.org/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=vector) [06:21:56] well, that's how it was redesignes [06:22:30] I believe it's also depends on which sidebar look you pick [06:22:32] I mean, the wikipedia website, miraheze website, and mediawiki website all have logos and they use that skin or some variant of it [06:26:08] ah I think I had to add it to wgIcon [06:27:57] there's also wordmark [06:28:11] setting those up on 2022 is always a hassle [06:28:51] I just disable the entirely on my wikis lol [06:47:14] Portable Infobox doesn't really work properly with the visual editor [06:47:23] Is there any solution for that? [06:49:56] If TemplateData extension is enabled, you can utilize it to allow VisualEditor to 'see' the parameters for your templates. [06:50:19] Yea, but it doesn't display the parameters that I entered [06:50:21] [1/2] visual editor [06:50:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1201419042930569246/image.png?ex=65c9bfad&is=65b74aad&hm=049d91c9047e6549a05318590f29c5848e1a79edd0c70729d66a1cfe7dd40f4a& [06:50:27] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1201419069551824916/image.png?ex=65c9bfb3&is=65b74ab3&hm=35c32867135fa7b93094c1ae3bcd7230dc1f381d743c6c535cc0f5d99160045b& [06:50:30] regular view [06:50:44] That's normal and a limitation of PortableInfobox [06:51:11] Oh, yep, preview mode unfortunately doesn't render some outputs beforehand, PI is one of those extensions. 😦 [06:51:45] not everything viewable normally is editable 1:1 as through VisualEditor or Parsoid [06:52:03] I sure hope PortableInfobox doesn't break when Parsoid is deployed as the default parser [06:52:11] Darn [06:52:41] I use VisualEditor a lot on Wikipedia but I guess it's not supported so well for mediawiki in general [06:52:42] As much of an inconvenience as that can be, it's actually for the best -- some of the extensions could theoretically cause an infinite loop and lead to very crashy outcomes if they were fully-parsed in realtime [06:53:00] VisualEditor is still in beta, no? [06:53:03] after a decade [06:53:10] it works very well on wikipedia [06:53:16] I think I may have found a fix for it when Parsoid deploys I just have to test it and I don't know how to test Parsoid yet lol [06:53:22] I applaud their spirit of continuous improvement. 😄 [06:53:31] but I guess it only plays nice with their bespoke stuff [06:53:38] By the way, is there anywhere I can find some default stylesheet for portable infobox that looks like wikipedia? [06:53:55] It kinda looks like trash by default [06:54:07] Certainly. On stock MediaWiki, it works fine but when you add extensions to the mix, not so much [06:56:13] Also works on fandom, actually [06:56:28] Fandom's PortableInfobox is different from the one on Miraheze [06:56:47] Fandom's PI hasn't been open sourced [06:57:03] rip [06:57:09] and considering the fact Fandom apparently helped/helps develop VisualEditor, I'm not surprised they have an upper hand [06:57:11] The ParserMigration extension [06:57:28] Oh [06:57:31] right [06:57:32] lol [06:57:55] I don't think you can call VE beta anymore [06:58:09] It was pushed to stable a while ago [06:58:25] Yep, just the extension we've deployed for sole purpose of testing parsoid as the default parser [06:58:42] I think 1.42 adds the option for enabling parsoid at a user level [06:58:49] Which is scary as [07:00:14] Does anyone know where I can find a wikipedia-clone stylesheet for portable infobox? Manually recreating it sounds kinda unfun? [07:00:42] We really need to start thinking about how we plan for rolling out what really might as well be called mediawiki 2 [07:01:38] @cosmicalpha we have multiversion deployed on Miraheze, right? [07:01:48] We should look into finalizing the 1.41 upgrade [07:02:31] Yep I deployed it a little while ago, test151 already has support for 1.40, 1.41, and even 1.42, other servers support 1.40 and 1.41 [07:02:58] 1.41 is pretty stable and most extensions work on it [07:03:11] ManageWiki doesn't fully it seems [07:03:18] oh really? [07:03:34] @agentisai didn't you had a CSS snippet? [07:03:38] All of WikiTide's largest wikis use 1.41 [07:03:49] I do, somewhere in one of my wikis [07:04:05] would be nice to have it on Dev Wiki [07:04:12] The search feature doesn't work for me, and there seems to be an issue where cache doesn't transfer to all servers when settings are changed sometimes. [07:04:36] the latter seems to be an issue which affects 1.40 as well though [07:04:41] search is odd though [07:04:47] oh huh [07:05:15] https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/settings [07:05:18] Works here? [07:05:26] I can probably fix the search feature. I remember adding that was fairly easy. [07:05:26] and RC has been on 1.41 since it was beta [07:05:28] Nothing exists prefabricated, but I can link you to the infobox stylesheet for WP and you can work on finding equivalents. [07:05:43] I try and everything disappears, even on that wiki [07:05:52]