[00:11:46] This Person literally needs to get off the Polandball Fanon wiki. his name is Zedroball and for some reason he has started trouble with me to the point to where I have had enough, can someone deal with him? [00:14:35] @kiju1108 Can I disturb you for this? [00:16:21] [1/2] hi [00:16:22] [2/2] How can I help you? [00:17:26] A user is reporting issues with another on the Polandball Fanon Wiki [00:19:22] Perhaps you can give a link to the discussions [00:19:29] https://fanon.polandballwiki.com/wiki/Topic:Xyccvg8b6pzmen3a [00:34:14] I see, deleted the topic [00:35:11] Can you also do something about him? I do not want to get harassed again. [00:35:50] Not Aaron. he's good. I'm talking about Zedroball. [00:37:05] We can give a warning about Global Conduct Policy violations, but this is really a matter for local administration, though it appears that's pretty sparse at the moment. [00:37:35] Okay. I'll tell you when he does it again. [00:38:10] Thanks, if they persist we can consider further action. [00:38:19] Okay. [00:40:06] Please use the Steward Request board or email Stewards@miraheze.com, as reports in general chat are easier to lose. [00:42:06] Okay. I'll do that in the future. [00:45:01] I take that advice on board as well, thanks 😉 [00:45:31] No worries, though do make sure it's stuff Stewards can actually help with. 😄 We have a whole community noticeboard for general mediawiki questions. [00:46:04] Yeah, still finding my way. [01:10:26] looks like it's agent and no one else pretty much [01:11:08] Yep, unfortunate [01:11:24] funny enough I'm still technically a network consul for that string of communities [01:11:39] interesting [01:15:37] [1/2] very specific [01:15:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202421966846435388/image.png?ex=65cd65b8&is=65baf0b8&hm=631f22a890e79c44478f74271ea7d20ea8787dd4acbf3771ba04136ccf3b103f& [01:23:27] MediaWiki parses time in the block page somewhat strangely. Whenever I block someone for 4 years, it comes out as "4 years, 43 minutes and 12 seconds". [01:24:19] We really should have more active enforcement of GCP tbh [01:24:48] Apparently, it's because it uses PHP's `strtotime()` function, which is so lenient that it will accept seemingly nonsensical values, like "3.14159265359 seconds" and "a potato". https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133438#2232088 [01:24:52] Feels like the policy doesn’t always mean much, especially in the past [01:24:58] fascinating [01:25:24] well there can be a tight line in handling conduct between overbearing and keeping clean [01:32:45] Very cool find, I never knew root cause for this. [01:40:21] [1/4] Echoing raidarr, I see two facets here we should keep in mind: [01:40:21] [2/4] * Wikis have an expectation of reasonable autonomy in their operation and governance, and we have an expectation that local leadership will work to foster a healthy on-wiki environment that aligns with GCP. [01:40:21] [3/4] * We simply aren't equipped with enough volunteers/functionaries to directly monitor police every single wiki, nor should we be. Where wikis consistently generate problems but local leadership doesn't exist or is overly lax/unreasonably strict on enforcement, working to rectify that gap should should be a priority. [01:40:22] [4/4] Not to say that GCP hasn't been under-enforced, but excessive intervention in local matters could make new, worse problems in overcorrectoin. [02:07:53] is Pi nonsensical, though. Some would disagree 😉 [02:11:16] Interesting to see that ticket being closed as duplicate of a task that's still open from 2007 [02:11:47] I suppose in context of blocks it's not the worst error possible [02:13:07] Yeah, but it's always funny to stumble across a problem that's decades old [02:18:11] MediaWiki question, is there a way to crop images? [02:19:12] You mean a cut out or to make them smaller in the page? [02:19:52] Cut out [02:21:21] No you can't do that in MediaWiki. You need an external program for that and to upload that as a new image. [02:23:53] Be aware of the licenses. You need to follow the licenses of the images. Not every image allows to be altered, and should be shared as they are, as well as giving credit, etc. It all depends where that image comes from. [02:25:38] I see, thank you [02:27:14] You're welcome [02:33:52] 🛌 Zzzzz [03:52:29] [1/3] not sure if anyone is aware of this, but the about button on https://miraheze.org leads to nowhere [03:52:30] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202461445372248134/IMG_0070.png?ex=65cd8a7d&is=65bb157d&hm=9034e4026c571f3850e2c32f39bfd49e8bda23e32a04566a923a07b3207a86e0& [03:52:30] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202461445766389760/IMG_0071.png?ex=65cd8a7d&is=65bb157d&hm=2f879dcd734a663b186e11933c296b65efa017dc8620913972cfa4f6301bc440& [03:56:22] It would've lead to [[Meta:About]] but that redirects to Help center [03:56:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:About [03:56:23]

[03:56:24] not sure why [03:56:42] so I made it go to Miraheze:About but that doesn't exist yet [03:56:51] time to whip out the history books [04:08:32] The design of https://miraheze.org/ has recently been changed to look like https://wikitide.org/. But at what time did this change occur? [04:09:15] yesterday [05:11:27] apparently DeeM28 has no contributions outside of Meta and most likely has never been an admin on Miraheze to know how people how to disable anon :squint: [05:12:33] DeeM is an interesting fella. I know he has extensive wiki experience and iirc, he used to contribute to a wiki which since has closed and thus not on CentralAuth [05:14:25] I entirely agree with DeeM though, as a contributor who has been sysop on like 5 of the 10 biggest Miraheze wikis \:P [05:14:57] (if we count those that have moved off Miraheze and will shortly merge back) [05:18:38] default disabled anons for new wikis is not a bad idea, but w/o easy implementation it not better than we have currently [05:18:46] I wonder what the oldest open task is :thonk: [05:18:54] it's currently unclear if it's even possible [05:18:59] there might be one that's old enough to go to war [06:28:56] <.labster> I thought disabling anons by default would have more support. [07:02:35] looking at previous convos about admin rights - I also noticed that sysops can't change page models, unless they'll assign the right on themselves [07:02:51] was it always like that? [07:03:13] maybe being a bureau on previous instances made me to skip that [07:03:53] permissions settings is indeed the most intimidating and easily breaking part of ManageWiki [07:29:02] ManageWiki is pretty much completely permissive in allowing you to do virtually anything [07:29:08] Even if it's a terrible idea [07:29:49] yes, and we love it for that [07:30:50] but we could benefit from some frequently asked operations and stuff getting easier implementation [07:32:44] say, in case of anons - we could go w/ just one sentence in general FAQ instead of writing a guide page [07:35:27] if user haven't noticed the setting by himself [07:36:06] I think putting it in core setting underneath private wiki flag will make it pretty noticeable [07:37:38] ye that's a good idea [11:39:04] oh my [11:40:37] In China, we can't load hCaptcha verification code, which makes it impossible for new users to register. [11:40:52] how can i do？ [12:01:29] email at `stewards@miraheze.org` [12:02:21] that you can't register an account, so they might do this for you [12:10:03] When will Bofa be added? [12:13:46] [1/2] the what? [12:13:47] [2/2] you are in discord server of a wiki hosting platforms, if might need to find a wiki specific community place [12:38:08] i think the old one was better, the wt design is kinda buggy on linux for some reason lol [12:38:31] are the black parts on the side intentional? [12:40:31] also excuse me [12:40:33] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202594336458408006/image.png?ex=65ce0640&is=65bb9140&hm=ae1d93740d94c3bac449eef908a9b0765b4748622efe139701426b36ef55cc1c& [12:40:45] are you intentionally making the uk small cuz miraheze isnt british anymore lol [12:41:14] wait where did iceland go [12:54:35] Is it possible to have a template that basically checks the title of an article it's invoked in, references a "dictionary", and returns a "definition" for that particular article's title? Or would that be better suited for a module? [13:57:59] [1/2] here's a good thought to add to any expansion of pre-startup wiki configuration in the request form [13:58:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202613824482574376/image.png?ex=65ce1867&is=65bba367&hm=aa0dceaceecd3006b3e1f99b636fa48b30c9a5128a87b419cd44ec301005b262& [14:24:53] /afk napping [14:25:22] 3/window 3 [14:25:26] oops, sry [14:36:11] <.elizabethy_> Guys can anyone help me with this issue? [14:36:21] <.elizabethy_> hold on let me get the screenshots.. [14:37:07] <.elizabethy_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202623670808354816/image.png?ex=65ce2192&is=65bbac92&hm=b64b8722ce9837e660a15a920280144c27a7802082524eba28c7d4057e8807cb& [14:37:12] <.elizabethy_> So I've recently made a randomized wiki background [14:37:38] <.elizabethy_> [1/2] Then I made the .js [14:37:38] <.elizabethy_> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202623800009564221/image.png?ex=65ce21b1&is=65bbacb1&hm=e89faaa4e6283c81657f99a11b4f324f90bbe4b2c9f3a497cbdcebf2dbe6aa3a& [14:37:48] <.elizabethy_> But one single Issue... [14:37:54] <.elizabethy_> It doesnt appear in the main page.. [14:40:33] <.elizabethy_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202624537796284456/image.png?ex=65ce2261&is=65bbad61&hm=c127f4079c064b7aac43b92c62d4ce8bc7d6c0adb165419ff25113c8d27fecf9& [14:54:50] <.elizabethy_> hold on I'll figure this out. [14:56:22] <.elizabethy_> oh yeah theres support [14:56:25] <.elizabethy_> Sorrz [15:56:20] Why isn’t the new design orange/yellow? I thought Miraheze branding wasn’t going away! [16:03:52] The WikiTide Page is gone. [16:05:04] I think they've just wanted to merge sites as quickly as possible and the WikiTide site was more prefered by board [16:05:42] https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-vigilante-grimace-face-grimacing-gif-25645224 [16:05:58] the logo ain't even there [16:06:09] [1/2] also page width [16:06:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202646079468736593/image.png?ex=65ce3671&is=65bbc171&hm=9c100b15d5861dac8dc460fb49d660a76810769b0d037c7a1ce01cd4bb5fe715& [16:06:35] [1/2] This is the new logo [16:06:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202646185110802483/image.png?ex=65ce368a&is=65bbc18a&hm=e064241da5f2f03fb41cbb5a4ed20210b2e2d60cdec50ebb7ecd3d8cfbe8556a& [16:06:39] wikitide now redirects to miraheze huh [16:07:05] Wikitide Just got themselves a deathwish I think. [16:07:09] hard request to make the Miraheze home page look like an actual wiki [16:07:33] doesn't need to be as extreme as [MediaWiki](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki), but c'mon man [16:09:22] Also the "english" version seems to not actually be the english version, but rather whatever language the user has as their browser language I would suspect (and thus shows the danish version for me (which is still not fully translated to danish anyway, so half it is still in english language, but that is beside the point) [16:12:04] TBH the new Miraheze landing page looks generic; maybe if we changed the colors a little and added some gradients it would look better [16:12:33] i'd say "soulless" [16:13:31] feel like the service for hosting and creating wikis should have its homepage look more like a wiki [16:14:19] [1/2] also, hard to show with this screenshot, but i found a bug when you hover over the first box (try and you'll know) [16:14:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202648131809058826/image.png?ex=65ce385a&is=65bbc35a&hm=d8e98595f0afcf75351c65b19da3db8cb019b8b1a4c00f88e5bd1e341392f96e& [16:14:24] looks like a generic company homepage tbh [16:14:35] no wiki service has a homepage like wiki iirc [16:14:42] same with the bottom-middle box and the rest of the page below [16:14:50] Please remember that these things are made by folks volunteering their time for free and be kind in your feedback. [16:14:55] we'd be the first then (awesome) [16:15:27] But your feedback is welcome, thanks all who have already made suggestions [16:15:37] I'll come up with a more original design when I have access to a computer [16:15:56] 🙏 [16:16:09] wiki.gg looks so bad ngl 💀 [16:16:29] this would be the scope of someone who can a) come up with a snazzy new Meta wiki theme; b) an equally snazzy meta homepage, and then c) have that interplay nicely the way the current miraheze landing page does [16:16:37] there actually is a wiki hosting website that looks like a wiki on its homepage [16:16:39] and it's uh [16:16:49] ahem [16:17:02] fandom? [16:17:23] f/ndom... [16:17:29] telepedia's wiki branch does but it also does other stuff, probably doesn't count [16:18:05] actually fandom doesn't look much like a wiki [16:18:11] if it was, it would have an edit button [16:18:15] that's kind of the whole point [16:18:20] I thought fandom wanted to move away from straight wiki stuff tbh [16:18:41] it looks more like a search engine than anything [16:18:42] the ultimate wiki host landing page: just a sandbox page, make whatever you want [16:18:51] +1 [16:19:22] might be some clever potential in unironically having it so you can make a cached local main page tuned to your interests [16:19:30] Honestly, that would be a very good landing page [16:19:45] not sure how effective that'd be [16:19:53] probably just confuse newcomers if anything [16:19:54] your mileage will vary [16:20:20] to newcomers it's just a landing page, to anyone wanting to explore a bit they find they can just turn it into whatever they like and that's what they'll see when they visit unless they reset [16:20:47] oh i see what you mean [16:20:50] could be freeform or could have modules you can customize on the spot, who knows [16:20:58] wouldn't you need to log in though [16:21:02] like [16:21:04] it could be done in local cache [16:21:06] it conflicts with user pages existing [16:21:30] not the most reliable method but it would certainly be an O.o to have as an option [16:25:44] could do what sites like GitHub have and change the landing page depending on whether you're logged in or not [16:26:11] wait, logged-in users look at the landing page o.O? [16:26:26] I kinda forgot it existed for a while, maybe it is just me [16:26:50] logged-in: those who already are mh users [16:27:03] yeah [16:27:11] to use the github example [16:27:33] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202651461117546526/image.png?ex=65ce3b74&is=65bbc674&hm=2f2c6adb128a29eb48d5f67107657e6d2b150e1814ecb8944bda0b9ec1fc1036& [16:27:47] Miraheze's landing page used to be just Meta [16:27:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1202651522476023858/image.png?ex=65ce3b83&is=65bbc683&hm=8a91c96983c29fb1bafad31bf4be0e0238a7cd6b7644943f5879e67253fbf4ef& [16:27:49] same URL [16:27:59] it was until very recently that we moved to a separate landing page [16:28:04] maybe like 2020? [16:28:16] then the landing page was redone in ~2022 [16:28:20] and now again in 2024 [16:28:24] in the context of the internet, i feel like that isn't that recent [16:28:29] it's really just meant for absolutely new users [16:28:41] If you're a power user, you can use Meta's home page \:P [16:29:27] Maybe we can take the best parts of both and make one super homepage [16:29:38] I'd rather not actually [16:30:01] I'd like for Meta's home page to look more like Wikimedia Meta's which contains info useful for the community like upcoming events, dates, open RfCs, etc [16:30:30] versus a duplicate "Welcome!" page [16:31:05] faaacebook [16:31:31] i digress anyway [16:31:37] new homepage is lacking soul [16:31:47] not to undermine the efforts of those who created it [16:31:53] that would be me \:P [16:32:00] content-wise, it delivers [16:32:29] but we can spice it up; make it feel more Miraheze (big talk from someone who joined in November of last year, but still) [16:33:00] It's a landing page and landing page audiences are 99% new users [16:33:11] if we redirect them to Meta's main page, they'll be overwhelmed [16:33:29] the old landing page was okay but it was rather rugged and lacked useful info [16:33:41] We can definitely incorporate improvements and suggestions though [16:33:55] It's part of an overall goal to make Miraheze more user friendly [16:33:56] can start with adding the logo :mirahezelogo: [16:34:20] a suggestion i have is having pics of wikis [16:34:22] I think the reason I didn't is because last time I tried it on WikiTide, I messed up the CSS and just forgot to try to add it back in [16:34:42] If you look at the source code, the logo is in there but commented out because css is fun [16:35:47] Actually, a gallery of featured wikis is a good idea [16:35:55] I did plan for that, yes [16:35:59] [1/2] actually that can work [16:36:00] [2/2] screenshots of some prominent wikis, like on IWB page [16:36:00] Please submit ideas! [16:36:29] I do have a prototype for featured wikis but never deployed it on WikiTide because the merger happened [16:36:29] BTW, why is every link in header a link to meta? [16:36:37] #1 JoJo's Bizarre Modding Wiki [16:36:40]