[00:01:01] Like for my SephiaSplash Wiki I could tupe a message but then like [Page Name] and a bit will automatically send a link to the page [00:01:06] where do i change the wgRestrictDisplayTitle? [00:02:07] oh, found it [00:19:53] how do i import: it asks for interwiki prefix [00:20:00] wth is that [00:35:52] [1/3] hrrrm. [00:35:53] [2/3] isn't it supposed to swap the links in page history on the usernames to Miraheze userpages if the user is registered on Miraheze? [00:35:53] [3/3] https://weboflife.miraheze.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D0%96%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8?action=history [00:36:15] i imported a page, it all links correctly to userpages of the original wiki [00:36:20] including mine [00:36:36] even though i'm registered on miraheze under the very same name [00:53:13] Made a first pull request :pupCoffeeMH: just a simple typo fix to see if I'm doing it correctly, will hopefully do some changes to the styles to make text more readable next [00:53:39] Was the removal of wavy shape intended or can I bring it back? [01:33:19] [1/2] why doesnt it want me to use `pointer-events` :mmph: unless my css is broke somehow [01:33:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203151196135891014/image.png?ex=65d00cde&is=65bd97de&hm=7c90c18045ed7b24fec8016f8afee438f16d34b1096594f4a972eb32d2a57cb1& [01:40:16] This might sound weird, but is there a way to randomize the wiki background image using CSS? [01:41:03] someone was just working on that with javascript, probably a negative using purely css however [01:43:38] ja [02:25:09] <.labster, replying to thebasicperson> [1/2] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15231812/random-background-images-css3#15231844 [02:25:09] <.labster, replying to thebasicperson> [2/2] The jquery example is relevant here [04:38:43] "Pages that use a deprecated format of the math tags" [04:38:48] is one of the categories on one of my pages [04:39:00] idk how long its been there i just saw it [04:39:14] said page uses fractions and thats it [04:39:20] so what does "Pages that use a deprecated format of the math tags" mean [04:39:26] and how do i fix it [05:55:56] is it normat that any link to my wiki shows a logo as preview, instead of any of the images in the article body? wasn't like that on the previous platform [05:56:09] [1/2] example: [05:56:09] [2/2] https://weboflife.miraheze.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D0%96%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8 [05:56:21] and is there a way to fix this [06:03:54] See https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/980350313645092884 [06:04:40] so do i add such a hook in every article? [06:06:20] That's if you want to specify a specific image, otherwise you should ensure the PageImages extension is enabled, as that also helps with determining embeds. [06:09:22] Can you link the page where this is an issue? There's some alternates for deprecated functions [06:11:35] [1/2] You can also compare yourself against MediaWiki's documentation, if it's a private wiki: [06:11:35] [2/2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Displaying_a_formula#Fractions,_matrices,_multilines [06:21:38] https://robloxdday.miraheze.org/wiki/Flamethrower_Class [06:21:49] under "weaponry" [06:26:27] The issue is the % signs, you need to escape them with by adding the `\` sign in front of them [06:29:09] (or just remove them entirely, as it's not really a percentage... [06:31:16] Or, hmmm. [06:32:25] Yeah, escaping the % sign solves it in my tests [06:32:45] e.g. `1\ frac{1}{2}\%/math` [06:44:09] ok thx [07:12:53] ah i've also been getting that warning and had no idea where it was coming from since i do usually escape my `%`s, but apparently i just missed one - good to know that's what the warning means, at least [07:27:19] I've never actually used the math extension before now, it's got a bit of a learning curve but I'm very impressed by the bit I've done so far. [07:28:56] i love using it (when it actually connects) because i love documenting mathematical detail [10:20:24] [1/2] I inserted a slideshow but one of the captions won't show up- it's formatted adn everything the exact same as all the other pictures, but this is the only one that won't show up. It's weird [10:20:24] [2/2] https://decapedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Koschei?stable=0 [10:38:34] [1/3] Magpiefrankie-smileykoschei.jpg|alt=Image ID: A [10:38:35] [2/3] drawing of Koschei by magpiefrankie on tumblr, [10:38:35] [3/3] <- the linebreak after "Image ID: A" breaks it, remove it and you should be champion :) [10:38:43] okay, no idea what the problem was but I redid it on my sandbox, that somehow worked, so I copy and pasted that in [10:38:50] oh, thanks so much! [10:39:00] It works now! [10:40:34] glad it works 👍 [12:56:21] [1/2] files for video and audio don't seem to be working correctly for me [12:56:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203323087639154698/image.png?ex=65d0acf4&is=65be37f4&hm=073ce62bf2974df236b9e84d7f1e6e48368a0afc6ce7f219b817da3d1e0373f4& [12:56:42] [1/2] they either show up as this, just links ^ [12:56:42] [2/2] or a static image [12:56:53] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203323225275236382/image.png?ex=65d0ad15&is=65be3815&hm=f24a55829da8e3094a5766b84249e303768b94db4b60e082fd95c66b90dab8f7& [13:00:01] i think you need to enable TimedMediaHandler [13:00:11] that's how i got them to display on my wiki [13:00:19] let me try [13:14:08] hilariously the MP4 file became. an audio file [13:14:24] this is doubly hilarious because this is for a sign language article [13:14:31] there is no sound here !! [13:14:40] no meaningful sound [13:15:02] sounds like it would be an issue with the mp4 then [13:15:07] yeah [13:15:14] that would make sense [13:15:18] I have had [13:15:23] so much trouble with it [13:15:43] when trying to upload MP4, convert it to WEBM or another format [13:15:57] is there a free tool to help me, because it is so troublesome [13:19:23] [1/2] this is it btw [13:19:23] [2/2] https://sona.pona.la/wiki/File:luka_pona_-_jan_Olipija_lon_ma_kasi.mp4 [13:49:33] [1/2] another thing, why does UploadWizard completely not know what English is [13:49:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203336478432694273/image.png?ex=65d0b96d&is=65be446d&hm=bfccf46f44a1eeead05524f3ece3fb0b33ab6eb7a574b7d2695827035b96ca28& [13:49:51] nothin in this wiki is in Kurdish, Norwegian or Finnish [13:52:49] Is it possible to stop categories from appearing on certain pages even if a template on the page makes it so there should [13:55:19] Probably use a parser function to add a nocat parameter to the template [13:55:23] I can find an example if you want [13:59:11] NoCat disables all categories though [14:00:01] Is it possible to disable only certain ones? [14:01:46] No, I mean a parameter that when passed disables a certain cat [14:02:15] Yeah I think that could work [14:02:37] Thanks for the help [14:03:00] `{{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{categoryexclude}}}}}|true| |[[Category:Characters]]}}` [14:03:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23ifeq:Template:%7b%7blc:%7b%7b%7bcategoryexclude https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Characters [14:17:02] Hey, forgot to add a description a file I already uploaded, how do I add one now? [14:20:57] file page can be edited like any normal [14:21:24] what you add here shows up under file [14:21:52] categories can be applied too [14:23:31] Okay, cool, thanks! [14:30:13] Hmm I'm wondering if it's possible to cache background images. Currently every time a page is loaded it has to load the background each time which causes a white flash that's a bit annoying. Is there someway to preload the background? [14:34:55] It's not a direct answer to the question but even for a regular static background it's important to have a compressed, small size image for the background for fast loading. jpg instead of png also [14:37:26] I mean it doesn't take that long to load but I think no matter how small the file size is it will still have a moment of flash [14:38:47] @gelato_affogato does loading miraheze work fast for you or do you feel it's slow? [14:53:03] There are other wikis that have this function I swear, but I'm not sure how they get it to work [15:16:58] Miraheze is a little slow for me right now [15:27:37] Nowhere near 'fast' for sure [15:38:33] Phab seems to be slower [15:38:43] What happened? [15:39:15] Everything is slowing down [15:40:18] Internal reasons? [15:40:26] Or under attack? [15:41:20] It might just be to do with the upgrades to MediaWiki and implementation of CirrusSearch that were in the announcements [15:42:08] causing heavy traffic? [15:58:00] [1/2] I was trying to save an edit, hope it was saved [15:58:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203368803434631198/image.png?ex=65d0d788&is=65be6288&hm=f8ab7f20ba078fed243c61acee0b0c62d888d09d09792565bdf1bab45de551af& [16:00:17] don't close the tab [16:00:25] [1/3] ``Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp36 at Sat, 03 Feb 2024 16:00:04 GMT [16:00:26] [2/3] Varnish XID 33940357`` [16:00:26] [3/3] odd ! [16:00:27] alright [16:00:48] what's now sigh [16:00:56] cp36, cp37 [16:03:56] Ping SRE? [16:04:27] seems like it's gone now [16:04:56] refresh the page and when it'll load editor try to save again [16:05:19] yeah it worked for a moment and I saved it [16:05:36] [1/2] ``Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp36 at Sat, 03 Feb 2024 16:05:21 GMT [16:05:36] [2/2] Varnish XID 39142493`` [16:05:36] uh oh [16:15:24] @reception123 :ThinkerMH: [16:16:43] hm? [16:17:03] (my expertise isn't infra so if you're pinging me about the 503 that wouldn't be something I'd generally be able to fix if it's sporadic) [16:17:10] @paladox ^ [16:17:31] mybad [16:18:08] does going through cp36/37 improve anything for you [16:18:14] should be fixed [16:36:43] if i set a wiki as private to begin with, can I set it to public later? [16:37:54] yeah, it's just a flag in core settings [16:43:09] good [16:43:10] i think we'll do that [16:43:44] we're about to upload the .xml database and image archive of a wiki that failed a while back, and the moderation staff want to screen it to make sure it's content policy-compliant [16:44:38] but it's so big that realistically i can't do it alone, so if it's permitted, we're going to upload the whole thing to a private wiki, add moderators to the staff, screen it all, and delete the objectionable content before taking it public [16:46:02] Just to note that if the XMl is very large, you won't be able to upload it yourself and you'll need to use a cloud/drive service to upload it first [16:46:14] i kind of expected that TBH [16:46:24] any suggestions in which site to use? does Mega permit uploads of over 10 gigs? [16:46:28] you'll need to open a task on https://phabricator.miraheze.org/ and give us the link [16:46:42] I think so. Google Drive, Dropbox and MegaNZ are what people usually use [16:46:59] oh google drive? okay, i'll use that, i have an account with them [16:47:26] though without a paid option I think maximum space (including your emails) is 15GB [16:47:34] crap [16:47:43] yes it is [16:47:54] mine is too big for that [16:48:27] I guess then you can try MegaNZ but not sure whether they allow more than a certain amount without payment either [16:48:51] i mean i can just pay google eight bux and they boost it to 100gb [16:48:53] also, how many users do you expect the wiki to have? since we also have a (flexible) policy around large imports like that [16:51:27] before the old wiki went down, we had roughly 10,000 unique users per day with 110,000 monthly [16:52:37] i don't expect to hit those peaks though [16:52:39] That won't be an issue then. Our policy is just so that people don't import a lot of content but then there's no actual users on their wikis [16:52:55] we expect more like 8000 people daily [16:53:01] it will take time to get the new address out [16:53:12] we haven't announced it because we wanted to weigh our options for importing the wiki to a new host [16:53:46] that's fine yeah. another option could potentially be to just upload the file to the static filesystem for your current host? (though I'm not sure what your situation was and whether you were self-hosting) [16:53:51] i'll just pay google eight dollars to boost my file storage total to 100gb, that's twice what we need [16:54:36] so how large is the XML? [16:54:45] I hope when you say twice as much you mean including images [16:55:00] (even if you don't that won't be an issue necessarily but it will take a long time) [16:55:39] [1/5] we don't have a host, sadly [16:55:39] [2/5] that's the problem [16:55:40] [3/5] the previous site owner/operator/sole admin has disappeared entirely [16:55:40] [4/5] he's not responding to emails nor discord, his IRC is derelict, his website returns a timeout, and his linode credentials are blank [16:55:40] [5/5] i'm the spokesperson for a committee of users that salvaged data from a backup with the intent of creating a newer, more stable wiki with a broad admin team and moderation staff that can actually be reached during emergencies [16:57:51] Ah, I see. Well hopefully your wiki will be up and running again very soon! [16:59:28] the images are cached in a separate .7z file [17:00:03] @gelato_affogato you can try and force use of cp36 by using it's ip and putting it in /etc/hosts followed by the domains. (for linux) [17:00:07] idk how to do it for windows [17:00:09] here's what the team salvaged from the remains of the mirror [17:00:10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203384447806996550/image.png?ex=65d0e61a&is=65be711a&hm=b68e1a2a72f28babf80f97040bef174119ef015f9630a7a8d80734c234955c95& [17:00:35] Not in front of shell rn [17:01:12] i could just depool and see where things stand [17:01:17] I'm afraid the -history thing doesn't look like a good sign from what I can see, are you sure it's an XML file? [17:03:17] @gelato_affogato i've depooled ja/au, does things load faster for you now? [17:04:19] Not that much diff I think? [17:04:23] oh [17:05:06] (We the Koreans don't have direct access to Tier1 network and rely on connection to Japan to connect to tier1 so might not be a good test subject) [17:06:03] i needed to see if you had improvements in performance by using cp36/37 directly like us in europe [17:06:21] maybe @kiju1108 can help? [17:06:26] ironically things are slower if we use our cache proxy in europe then in US [17:06:37] I'll be back @ home in 30 minutes [17:06:40] MEGA is 20Gb for free I think, it also used to give more Gb temporarily idk if it's still a thing [17:07:20] still kick myself that I haven't made several accounts back when it was 50Gb for free lol [17:08:11] okay i'm interrogating the guy we had making the archive dump to see if he ever knew what he was doing [17:08:17] he insists that the -histoy files are .xml [17:11:31] Yeah, compared to before, loading is much faster [17:13:06] ohhhh, you're in japan? [17:13:44] yes [17:13:55] ah i see, glad to hear it speeds up for you [17:14:20] I mean I don't know, just from the looks of the icon it looked like an HTML but you can also check [17:15:06] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203388206737915994/image.png?ex=65d0e99a&is=65be749a&hm=b3c8fb35e9484d7aaf04dafcff81577e9e8ed2473d6b5dce498c9837ec192ebb& [17:15:14] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [17:15:42] we have three different site dumps and i'm trying to sort their files, since they were sent to me all in one compressed archive and they are not well-labelled [17:15:57] oh okay, I think that's just Winodws being silly then [17:16:01] if it says (.xml) [17:21:58] okay [18:13:18] Wooon!!! My sitemaps issue is fixed [18:54:25] Is it possible to change how skin cache works on my wiki? I'd like to be able to cache the skin so it doesn't have to reload itself every time a new page is visited [18:54:56] what do you mean by reloading itself? [18:57:50] When you reload or click on a new page each time the skin has to refresh for a moment [18:59:33] do you have custom CSS on MediaWiki:Common.css? [18:59:41] I do [18:59:43] I usually get background flash [19:00:26] my wikis are heavily modified in CSS and before migration it was far more noticeable, especially w/ replaced icons [19:00:35] [1/2] The skin will not be present for a moment like this [19:00:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203414752265633792/image.png?ex=65d10253&is=65be8d53&hm=c0a8dba87435e346ad8e7603b588fb7b525e864c39240be0b0671f9f4c364fce& [19:01:31] It also seems to be sort of browser or hardware dependant because I don't get it when I try and use a different computer [19:02:42] But I also notice that my wiki has this problem but some others I've visited (not on Miraheze) don't have it [19:03:56] do you use a lot of js? [19:05:09] The only thing I have for JS is a single gadget and to remove the image function from the edit toolbar [19:13:37] [1/2] new main page ooh [19:13:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203418031510921267/image.png?ex=65d10561&is=65be9061&hm=21f0169e04a170ab814a2c86c250e05f89e674259baed440e296ada78846fbbe& [19:17:11] Ooooo [19:17:18] It looks slick [19:35:20] [1/2] i know i have bad eyesight but [19:35:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203423494147153931/image.png?ex=65d10a77&is=65be9577&hm=918bfbbe06c8899bf8711ea69f2c300961f9168f1a628458db4893e24ec5de30& [19:35:53] links need to be yellow, period [19:40:35] See, this is why I don't mess with CSS [19:40:42] mmmmm, not loving the color blending tbh [19:40:50] was that you? [19:40:56] I'll probably just revert to the blue/purple for now [19:40:59] i dont have an issue with that aspect [19:41:03] but the footer and stuff [19:41:08] and the link and text colors [19:41:10] maybe try the image we use as a server banner for now [19:41:18] inconsistent [19:41:21] it's going to stretch so badly [19:41:25] It's going to be even worse [19:41:28] mmmmmm [19:41:31] 😋 streched background [19:41:56] Use AI to upscale it :moonch: [19:42:15] what does cirrus search even do [19:42:36] Let's you do more in depth searches [19:43:08] nothing we just use it cause its a fun name [19:43:08] obvi [19:43:32] i dont see much of a use case for it tbh [19:43:38] at least for what im doing [19:44:02] I've been hearing so many people say this [19:44:04] like [19:44:14] it's been one of our most requested extensions for over 8 years [19:44:18] surely it has to have some benefit [19:46:48] hmm just like me, i really want something, but when i get it, i just somehow dont care for it anymore [19:47:10] I've seen it brought up as the only solution for case sensitivity [19:47:20] that's all, since I joined [19:48:27] is cargo/smw helpful for wikis? [19:49:05] massively [19:49:08] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#What's_improved? [19:49:15] the likes of Terraria [19:49:26] mostly game wikis [19:49:34] It's much more powerful as a search engine it seems [19:49:37] Reminds me of how Google works [20:12:55] TitleKey allows case-insensitive search (still doesn't understand diacritics tho) [20:14:17] that's true, yeah [20:15:07] [1/3] if anyone wants a wacky music embed template - I got you [20:15:07] [2/3] [20:15:07] [3/3] [20:15:42] it uses Bandcamp and SoundCloud script+template from Fandom and YouTube extension (+ TS ofc) [20:25:51] might add variant for uploaded audio file later [21:08:32] CirrusSearch lets me search my wiki how I’m used to searching on the internet 🙂 [21:09:25] I think a reason the benefit can be hard to see is that so much of searching on the web is just similar technology that it’s almost the “expected” behavior even those that isn’t the normal wiki search behavior. [21:11:01] Bring back sphinx search! [21:11:24] Or even better...lets just deploy wikia search 😛 [21:19:38] That it also does a much better job of search on template-heavy pages and can also handle near-matches of article titles is already huge, though admittedly not super visible unless you've run into the 'why doesn't this work' problem yourself. [21:35:40] I was so annoyed when searching because I’m often vaguely aware of the lore I was searching for but didn’t know what community members had named the page (and some needed some guidance on better naming too) [21:36:01] Near matches get me there like 95% of the time from what I was guessing [22:13:17] Hey does anyone know how to see the statistics of a user? (when they joined, their edit count etc.) [22:13:47] Special:CentralAuth has some of that information [22:23:16] best resource for it really [23:26:23] Guys what is the recommended resolution for a background image? [23:39:13] (Cannot access the database: Cannot access the database: No route to host (db181)) [23:39:25] right when I was trying to save an edit... at least it wasn't a major one [23:39:37] same thing happened to me lol [23:40:05] me three [23:40:11] MySQL is down, apparently. I can't view some images on my wiki, and Phabricator is inaccessible [23:41:05] getting no route to host as well [23:41:16] interesting [23:41:19] cloud18 restarted [23:41:30] @paladox this wasn't of your doing, right? [23:41:41] no [23:44:14] db181 should be back [23:45:49] works now ty [23:48:52] Back. lost the edit but back so ty [23:49:38] I am dead. [23:49:40] I AM SO DEAD. [23:49:44] Where's...