[00:00:32] We can do that yes. [01:52:50] Glad to be back here [01:58:47] And glad we can bring the speeds of the WT configuration back to MH. πŸ˜„ [02:00:28] Still waiting for my wiki to get approved tho [02:10:58] Done [03:10:08] ;| [03:10:17] [1/2] 😭 [03:10:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203900376512987166/image.png?ex=65d2c699&is=65c05199&hm=1f25d908efbf215990180df1c0046b01370b41ccbe8f75aa7d2c32be58d68c3e& [03:10:20] <.labster> Yeah [03:10:23] looking [03:10:40] <.labster> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203900471501258882/image.png?ex=65d2c6af&is=65c051af&hm=21e09d13cfd7a11c4e337e0f4ae43dc24f2de23701212977d98e7af40d283701& [03:11:01] <.labster> Maybe I crashed it from the frontend? [03:11:24] What happend? [03:11:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203900761491382294/image.png?ex=65d2c6f4&is=65c051f4&hm=738e7dbb2adf0ff24f992e2956c386055f76dcfa95b75965592f14e3f80b7c02& [03:11:57] damn this sucks [03:12:12] thanks god i copied proggress πŸ™ [03:12:17] welp [03:12:19] it happened again [03:12:20] I can't access rain world wiki now... [03:12:26] give it a moment [03:12:52] Real 😭 [03:13:20] <.labster> https://dontgetserious.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Do-It-Again-Memes-15.jpeg [03:14:07] yeah mine is also saying unknown database [03:14:21] [1/2] ? [03:14:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203901399059136512/image.png?ex=65d2c78c&is=65c0528c&hm=ceb317929928f60b51d69ad13ab4e20558cc4268fd8f2b3fb6465e1704df3590& [03:14:29] oh other ppl r getting this issue [03:14:38] got jumpscared thinking something was wrong with my wiki lol [03:14:52] chii [03:15:01] Time to use wayback machine for a bit lol. [03:15:06] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203901588205211738/Screenshot_20240205_121451_Chrome.jpg?ex=65d2c7ba&is=65c052ba&hm=42e2f7a852a82ec10b58388a68ea5f8c08448c7c02017bb1165f2b91f433977d& [03:15:26] hmmm [03:15:49] time to touch some grass everyone [03:16:23] well I hope it will fix quickly [03:16:28] ye [03:16:44] <34.29cm> i was just about to submit a long paragraph i hadn't copy pasted......... so lucky that the back arrow had my back πŸ₯Ή [03:17:18] so what we're yall making [03:17:20] what wiki [03:17:31] I'm making Manchu wiki [03:17:41] almost dead language wiki [03:17:49] what about you? [03:17:52] db171 seems to get the issue too- [03:17:54] Encyclopedia Aquabania [03:18:01] im making a roblox's mining game wiki 😭 [03:18:20] error on db181 [03:18:25] yall are making interesting things [03:19:00] you speak manchu? [03:19:06] yep [03:19:16] kinda I'm still learning [03:19:22] For me, the most well-known one is the Zodiac Classroom Wiki and it's about an comic title in Vietnam about 12 zodiac signs [03:19:35] omg that's so cool, my wiki is based off of many asian cultures and one of them is based off of the manchu of the qing dynasty [03:19:45] i think its really cool that you're learning a dying language [03:20:38] <.labster> This appears to be an outage that we caused by accident, which means it shouldn't take too long to get things back online. [03:20:42] lol came here to check if anyone was talking about mira being down again [03:20:48] glad to meet someone know about my language. and thank you for interests [03:21:38] guess I'm saving the texts and make them on textnite [03:21:38] [1/2] here's the error i got for the wiki i help manage, pizza tower wiki [03:21:39] [2/2] > (Cannot access the database: Cannot access the database: Unknown database 'pizzatowerwiki' (db181)) [03:21:41] <.labster> We have a wiki about Toki Pona too. Maybe we need a section on all of our cool language wikis. Or, like, a webring, I don't know lol. [03:21:57] <.labster, replying to superkirbylover> everyone has the same error [03:22:03] gotcha gotcha [03:23:28] thanks for including your discord server on the error screen, able to see what's going on within a few minutes without having to be bothersome or confused πŸ‘ [03:23:41] [1/2] I started the wiki primarily because of incomplete information regarding some aspects of the Aquabats, such as their live performances and songs, as well as the general horrible quality of wikis and information about Yo Gabba Gabba! (created by Christian Jacobs, Aquabats founder). I wanted to start my own wiki to assert more control, simply because it wou [03:23:42] [2/2] ld be easier to control than if I had gone around fixing other wikis. [03:24:17] <.labster> I think my only knowledge of Manchu language being a thing is from watching the invaders on K-Dramas, oh, and playing EU4 of course. [03:25:34] I haven't really checked out much of the Manchu language; really, all I know about Manchuria was the period where they were controlled by Japan. [03:25:38] fr, just gotta check the dc and the question will usually be answered pretty quickly [03:25:47] manchus such an interesting language but what drew me in was how the script looked [03:26:15] maybe this is just cause i'm a language nerd but like i love reading about different language scripts [03:27:05] we have cool script 😎 [03:28:01] this is just my curriosity. kimoraa, what other languages are you interested in? [03:30:35] I link my Wikibases together through something like a web ring https://domains.wikibase.cloud/wiki/Template:Cwbn [03:30:42] the database said night night [03:30:53] seems like everyone makes interesting wiki. including gaming and bands [03:31:46] mainly i've been trying to learn hawaiian but i speak english dutch & sranan [03:32:27] rw wiki set on fire :( [03:32:29] hi guys hows it going [03:32:34] interested in learning mandarian or hakka chinese cause i'm part chinese (only 4% but anyway :droidcry:) [03:32:46] should be fixed in half an hour [03:32:58] yay :3 [03:33:17] i swear whenever i get like super motivated to edit something on my wiki it goes down [03:33:55] hakka mentioned [03:34:06] waves hi hello [03:34:15] hakkas playing haka [03:34:26] sorry [03:34:32] I love the concept of band wikis, I haven't looked into them much but I hope I can find some about my favorite. [03:34:55] there doesn't seem to be a lot of music themed wikis, the biggest one moved out of Mira to self-host previous year, SPcodex [03:34:56] learning about the different chinese dialects is rlly interesting to me cause what they teach us in the us is that chinese is like... just a singular language so it's really interesting to learn about the different forms & varieties [03:35:11] yeah that's because of mandarin dominance [03:35:51] omg i remember whenever we would say "chinese" as the language they would correct us and tell us mandarin was the real name [03:35:58] :squint: [03:36:02] bruh... [03:36:35] honestly east asian languages are so unique & interesting to learn about [03:37:13] kinda wanna learn haryanvi or chinese cause those are the places my asian side is from [03:37:35] Interesting. I DID notice that a lot of the listed wikis tended to be about games or self-reference type things [03:37:53] <.labster> I really only know a little bit of Japanese. I imagine I have like grade 3 reading level, since I know very few kanji. [03:38:08] rain world so big we've got three wikis! lol [03:38:21] i speak french, and i'm learning dutch and irish [03:38:35] i know english, cantonese, and i'm still fluent enough in mandarin that i understand it when it's spoken. i'm so awfully rusty at speaking it though :( [03:38:51] i also know rudimentary spanish and a bit of japanese by way of knowing chinese (cause kanji) [03:38:54] if english is ur native language dutch will probably come easy to you [03:39:06] i know french and english, and a bit of spanish, german, and veeeery little turkish [03:39:07] I studied Japanese for some years, but I stopped actively doing so in 2022. I should get back into it [03:39:07] well i'm assuming cause it came easy for me and dutch is my native language [03:39:34] english is my native language yeah [03:39:55] i live in a region that is overwhelmingly french though [03:39:58] <.labster> Dutch is a perfectly cromulent English. [03:40:14] quebec or maine? [03:40:17] quebec [03:40:28] maine?? are there a lot of french speakers in maine? [03:40:33] cooll [03:40:35] far far northern maine [03:40:40] i think maine has like the [03:40:44] most french americans(?) [03:40:45] huh, the more you know [03:40:48] but even then it's not that many [03:41:37] i took french courses in middle school & for my freshman year in hs but i legit don't know anything [03:41:39] louisiana and quebec are the two major french speaking areas and even then louisiana's french population is declining [03:41:54] omg i forgot they spoke french in louisiana [03:42:17] every time i think about louisiana i think abt voodoo ngl... [03:42:24] i am learning a lot about the US today apparently [03:42:50] <.labster> Lots of french speakers in [[w:Maine_(province)]] [03:42:50] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_(province) [03:42:52] all i know is some of my acadian ancestors were forced by the british to move to louisiana (that's where cajun people come from) [03:43:42] the americas are actually really diverse like [03:44:09] english, french, portuguese, spanish, dutch, tons of creole languages, indigenous languages theres so much [03:44:20] my main wiki is music themed tho, Soft Cell Wiki if you are interested [03:44:23] I live in Maine and can confirm that there are plenty of French speakers [03:44:28] like there's a hmong laos population in french guiana 😭 like that's literally so random [03:44:41] oh that's cool [03:44:54] outages bring us all together [03:44:59] we should have more, more often [03:45:03] lmao [03:45:19] it's weird bc in quebec we think of the areas by the us border as being the majority anglophone areas but in the us they're the more french areas [03:45:20] several people are typing [03:45:20] <.labster> I'm in California, there's literally every kind of language speaker here somewhere. [03:45:22] <_wr_.> [1/2] Seems like there's an internal error, is this related to https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1203905563973656606 ? [03:45:22] <_wr_.> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203909204469882880/image.png?ex=65d2ced1&is=65c059d1&hm=3517f71215442c8f2dc24c98d5a3312b8702c1253416b58bfd3adafba7417eba& [03:45:28] can't wiki so i talk to the wiki folks instead. decent trade off /j [03:45:29] yes [03:45:46] A lot of French people and Rain World fans here today I feel so at home :P [03:45:51] i mean i joined this discord because of the outage and now i get to talk about french canada [03:45:52] was gonna say I joined here to see what was going on [03:46:10] getting something similar yea [03:46:27] speaking about like countries and stuff i'm literally from an irrelevant country so i'm probably like one of the only few surinamese people who live in my state [03:46:50] It looks really nice, judging from the archive from November 2023 [03:47:23] lmao [03:47:25] We apologize for the issue everyone. [03:47:53] Well, I can't really check the wiki itself lol [03:47:56] i'm acadian which is an even rarer subgroup of french canadians [03:48:02] it's 6am and I'm silly [03:48:38] usually db errors affects only portions of wikis and mine often was still accessible xd [03:48:51] i just searched it up, do you speak acadian french? [03:49:05] idk the differences cause i literally don't know anything about french besides like basic grammar and the days 😭 [03:49:32] I live near Calgary, Alberta. It's pretty diverse, and there is a high Indian and Arab population here [03:49:43] i speak regular standard canadian french, and also what's called joual, which is primarily spoken by acadians [03:50:02] also chiac, which is the same principle (like a rural dialect of french) but for non-acadians [03:50:18] this just reminded me to expand the european areas of my wiki [03:50:36] well when it comes back up [03:51:01] like an example of a difference between acadian french and regular french is the word 'ici' (meaning 'here'). in acadian french you'd say 'icitte' [03:51:52] this sounds a bit like the distinction between different chinese 'dialects' to me, on a surface level at least? [03:51:52] swear words tend to be religious as opposed to whatever they do in france nowadays [03:51:59] hah [03:52:18] another example is how in french you use the hard r but in acadian french they roll their r's [03:52:48] that sounds italic-ish [03:53:26] acadian french comes from dialects from southern france as well as some mi'kmaq influences [03:53:33] Some people still roll r's in French but I assume it's getting very rare. [03:53:45] standard french uses the uvular trill right? [03:53:48] yeah it's a sign of being older or more like hickish [03:54:08] uvular fricative [03:54:11] that, yes [03:54:48] I studied French the entire school and never heard of 'icitte' [03:55:01] yeah it's very rural [03:55:11] ah wait i misread [03:55:19] "academian" [03:55:24] lmao [03:55:30] ok, gotta go [03:55:34] [1/2] That reminded me of when Super Mario Galaxy got released in Quebec. The French translation had Woolseyisms specifically meant for a Canadian French audience, including the use of Joual dialects for certain characters. Some Quebec organizations relating to the French langauge complained because they thought it would mean that children would have poor [03:55:34] [2/2] literacy skills, and after a brief lack of French releases, they just started using the European version [03:55:48] oh wow [03:55:52] super mario galaxy is one of the best games ever btw [03:55:54] yeah joual and chiac have relatively bad reputations in quebec [03:55:58] sounds like they put effort into that translation though [03:56:24] quebec has a long and complicated history with language [03:56:31] oh i'm sure [03:56:34] Agreed, I played it a TON when I was little, as well as during 2021 [03:56:34] i feel that [03:56:39] it's illegal in quebec to speak any non-french language in the workplace [03:56:44] oh. wow [03:56:51] that's more intense than i was expecting [03:56:52] schools are segregated by language [03:56:56] yeesh [03:56:58] yeah lockdown I played a lot of mario then [03:56:59] immigrants are required to go to french schools [03:57:25] [1/2] there's a language authority that fines businesses for not following these rules [03:57:25] [2/2] fines are like 2000$ [03:57:37] eesh [03:57:47] but acadian french uses a lot of anglicisms and so the government does not like it [03:58:03] that's always how stuff like this seems to go [03:58:27] my native language is cantonese, but in the area i grew up in, my generation is known for having 'lazy sounds' [03:58:29] as a rough translation [03:58:47] we have a /n/ to /l/ shift in a ton of words, among other things [03:58:56] not quite the same thing of course, but reminded me of that [03:59:49] yeah the acadian french community is dwindling because schools don't teach it [03:59:55] :/ [04:00:03] i learned it from my great-grandmother [04:00:16] i'm glad you got to learn [04:01:02] I didn't know the existence of acadian french at all [04:01:10] looks charming language tho [04:01:17] people are kind of like that about taiwanese mandarin, though where i grew up it was definitely not as. oppressed, i guess is the word i'm looking for, as acadian french [04:01:18] yeah only about 300,000 people in canada identify as acadian [04:01:26] also yeah i've never heard of this until now, it's interesting to know [04:01:27] oof [04:01:43] a further 800,000 in louisiana are acadian (they call themselves cajun down there) [04:02:08] i see i see [04:02:22] quebec has some of the broadest cultural diversity in canada [04:02:38] even amongst the french community, theres dramatic differences depending on where you go [04:03:44] <_wr_., replying to _wr_.> [1/2] lol Meta Wiki also have this problem [04:03:45] <_wr_., replying to _wr_.> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203913825158434836/image.png?ex=65d2d31f&is=65c05e1f&hm=ad74e5c02378f14df0c1904070aa4302aee2371585149c16f09f0e844489e0c4& [04:03:58] is that the same problem? [04:04:02] it's not referencing db181 [04:04:22] <_wr_.> idk, but the agent said yes [04:04:28] huh. fair enough then [04:04:47] i really don't know much about quebec, but it's nice to hear you talk about it silly goose nathan [04:04:55] thank you πŸ™‚ born and raised here [04:04:57] it's wild [04:04:58] I was moving a lot of pages and then this message appeared. I thought I was banned by admin or smth [04:05:25] okay, should be fixed-ish? [04:05:32] do you like quebec? or maybe that's a complex question to answer [04:05:33] now rolling out [04:05:38] yay thank you agent [04:05:42] oh that is a complex question [04:05:43] so it'll take a few mins while ManageWiki caches refresh [04:05:52] np [04:06:12] no pressure to answer if it's hard, i'm kinda just babbling [04:06:20] [1/2] so the thing about me is i'm an anglophone with acadian heritage [04:06:21] [2/2] my mom's side is acadian & irish and my dad's side is dutch [04:06:21] knitting while i wait for mira to come back [04:06:25] ooh wow [04:06:27] but i speak english as my primary language [04:06:34] quebec is not super friendly to anglophones [04:06:45] so i've heard yeah [04:07:03] [1/4] i love this province [04:07:04] [2/4] it's my home, it's beautiful [04:07:04] [3/4] it's where my family all fled to [04:07:04] [4/4] but i sometimes feel like it doesn't love me back [04:07:13] oh i feel that Hard [04:07:23] that's how i feel about where i grew up [04:07:25] pardon my ignorance, but is miraheze down? i was using a wiki that is hosted by it and it looks like it’s down [04:07:26] such a strange feeling [04:07:28] i mean every year they announce a new law limiting english [04:07:31] yeah it's down right now [04:07:32] ugh [04:07:53] just recently they announced that brand names must contain french words that must be 2/3rds bigger than the brand name [04:08:02] that's... so specific [04:08:10] it should be coming back [04:08:20] some wikis may say "not found" while cache regenerates [04:08:25] but Meta loads successfully, mostly [04:08:28] so if you're an english named company and you put a french word before it (like cafΓ© starbucks) the cafΓ© needs to be 2/3rds bigger [04:08:37] it's a very common practice [04:08:38] :/ eesh [04:08:44] oh it works [04:08:45] [1/2] ok thats scary [04:08:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203915086834569226/image.png?ex=65d2d44c&is=65c05f4c&hm=f234e29a12471db1f0181a95b0ea3d35571e2089ca686c054600c67f885b624a& [04:09:04] give it a few mins while ManageWiki cache regenerates for all 15000 wikis [04:09:04] <_wr_., replying to agentisai> [1/2] tkx [04:09:05] <_wr_., replying to agentisai> [2/2] it just showed wiki not found and that's scary πŸ™ƒ [04:09:10] <34.29cm> oooo my page finally posted. infoboxes are broken though, but i'm assuming they're coming back? [04:09:21] thanks :Thumbsup_Cat: [04:10:04] AWWW, only 15000? I can do that in my sleep [04:10:10] By that, I mean my dreams [04:10:33] <.gtbot> [1/2] eh [04:10:34] <.gtbot> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203915543296483368/image.png?ex=65d2d4b9&is=65c05fb9&hm=dc75a92d68e4d13e968632f1323b49ee6e25c5c70e20a0a8cda82ccdd2cbc054& [04:10:39] i would not want to 😭 sometimes i dream about working on my wiki [04:11:09] the CSS is borked [04:11:09] f [04:11:11] not all wikis have the ManageWiki cache regenerated so if you load a page which tries to get styles from a server which still says your wiki is missing, you get that [04:11:22] eyy mine is back [04:11:49] man i forgot what i was going to do before i realized mira was down [04:11:51] ah well [04:11:59] [1/2] Everyday the wikis have some issue [04:12:00] [2/2] Is it cuz of the new servers [04:12:00] [1/2] :steamhappy: [04:12:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203915907156418590/image.png?ex=65d2d50f&is=65c0600f&hm=42edddedf3954a9975995f4acdb295782f39728c3498cebd47b11c65c6b92c4c& [04:12:08] <_wr_.> [1/2] every time i reload my wiki page, it's shows a different page [04:12:08] <_wr_.> [2/2] 404 Not Found / No CSS Loaded / Fine [04:12:13] ok not everything is back [04:12:14] I research things a lot, so sometimes I dream about finding out about something crazy or wild that I really like, only to be disappointed when I wake up [04:12:19] ripp [04:12:32] Wait a few minutes, the ManageWiki cache still needs to regenerate [04:12:33] [1/2] Yeah, also my thai wiki broken again [04:12:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203916047321796660/2024-02-05_111209.png?ex=65d2d531&is=65c06031&hm=bf15fcd734a90f2e73aee5275650720f29c969976fae5d08f8c072ffb790cae2& [04:12:34] heh yeah several reloads for me, goes back and forth between wiki not found, and a broken CSS version of the wiki xD [04:12:49] broken CSS is so jarring to look at [04:12:54] I love wiki dreams hopefully I'll have some by sleeping right after spending the past hour reading this channel :P [04:12:55] stop spamming reload lmao or at least read before sending the tenth copy of the same thing [04:13:09] are they good dreams [04:13:19] main wiki is so big they'd be stress dreams if i got them i think [04:13:30] (Also wiki dreams have created yellow leeches you can only thank them for that) [04:13:35] qhar [04:13:45] fresh lore i did not know... [04:13:52] well, let me gently wait when it calms down [04:14:17] [1/2] ok why is it sortable there but not where i want it to 😭 [04:14:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203916483386679367/image.png?ex=65d2d599&is=65c06099&hm=78ef4d3fd04636eb039d7a32b07a98ccf87b5571f10395b85d3b4635ef142878& [04:14:24] it was fine last time [04:14:32] (You can look at the pins of the RW wiki channel haha) [04:14:33] mw151, mw161, mw162, and mw181 seem to be the troublemakers for now [04:15:08] Here is a fun fact; in the early 1980s to early 1990s, analog videotape was used to store the master copies of data for CDs (which are digital) [04:15:49] [1/2] What?, RecentChanges on my thai wiki broken again? [04:15:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203916868679761980/2024-02-05_111523.png?ex=65d2d5f5&is=65c060f5&hm=9544f08873fde749ca96480ad95f7086edb4fb89408ee61a7206280ff6aabc3e& [04:15:55] CSS issue [04:16:03] ^ [04:16:09] Wait a few minutes, the ManageWiki cache- yeah [04:16:46] wow it really is quite some trips to see reloading my wiki, each time it does load is with the css broken in various ways (only rarely completely missing) [04:17:55] am on mw181, can confirm our cache hasnt reloaded [04:18:01] Another fun fact; the master for The Free Design's 1967 debut album Kites Are Fun was stored on 35mm film, rather than magnetic tape [04:20:17] <_wr_.> where are our server currently located at, still in the uk or has been migrated to the us? [04:20:32] I once dreamt of a non existent ultra rare demo recording but then got woken up by my dog's barking (she heard someone behind entrance door) and haven't memorized how it sounded 🫠 [04:20:34] All servers are in the USA now [04:20:49] <_wr_., replying to texline666> that's cool [04:21:24] Sometimes, I dream about listening to recording session tapes [04:21:46] Log in page is unknown [04:22:12] The "Wiki Not Found" error definitely did NOT terrify me. Only when it failed to work on Miraheze Meta did I realize, nope, that's a Miraheze problem. [04:23:35] it's time to eat some vietnamese pho [04:24:22] damn now i want pho [04:24:30] i really need to try authentic pho at some point [04:24:35] [1/2] now i want banh mi [04:24:36] [2/2] too bad it's the middle of the night [04:24:40] d'oh [04:24:42] there goes my wiki again [04:24:53] eh, i have other things to do (<- coping) [04:25:43] fun fact : anti-America in Korean and Banh Mi in Korean has same pronunciation. thus that bread sounds like reddish [04:25:56] πŸ˜‚ amazing [04:26:31] i'm trying to summon a fun fact about the languages i know but i'm drawing a blank [04:26:45] the best one i've got is that owls in chinese are called 'cat headed eagles' as a direct translation [04:27:07] wow [04:27:54] looks like mw181 is coming back [04:28:05] not yet [04:28:13] I think you might have confused mw181 and db181 [04:28:13] very slowly, my css is messed up but atleast shes loading haha [04:28:18] OHH yeah i might have, sorry XD [04:28:34] your wiki lives on the db, the mw is just the one who parses it \:) [04:28:46] that makes sense, i guess that means db181 is back but mw181 isnt [04:28:47] ? [04:28:57] should be back entirely [04:29:11] oh yeah there it is [04:29:29] Yep, Encyclopedia Aquabania just loaded [04:30:37] ty for the swift fix at this ungodly hour [04:30:57] Thanks for bearing with us, y'all. Turning to wiki services into one super-service is no easy feat. [04:30:58] Yeah, thank you [04:31:11] omg no dont worry, mediawiki is a beast on its own much less an entire wikifarm [04:31:35] ..dont think i used that phrase right but you get me LOL [04:32:42] Nah, intent came through just fine [04:32:44] And hold a minute? [04:32:58] My wiki just display as it was a English one [04:33:34] I set it as Vietnamese from the beginning... [04:34:04] genuinely you guys have been extremely prompt and transparent with us and im very grateful, its just nice to be able to talk to the stewards/SREs/etc and get a response [04:35:29] Glad to be of help here, though bigger credit goes to our combined SRE team. [04:37:16] And thank you for the work of the MHF and MHL teams in the intervening months to keep the Miraheze dream alive. [04:39:52] you are all very awesome :dracthyr_heart: [04:40:24] solved [04:44:52] [1/2] I think RecentChanges on my wiki is broken [04:44:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203924178508455956/2024-02-05_114430.png?ex=65d2dcc3&is=65c067c3&hm=4aaa9a92aae4942899b3d0a491762e141436c25f4b672f2db1695384bca65682& [04:45:42] you didn't happen to create a namespace called "Special", right? [04:46:56] Yeah, But thankfully it came back with i clicked Create Source [04:48:05] you need to delete that namespace [04:48:11] or it will break every single special page [04:51:55] Probably worth putting a check against reserved namespaces, @cosmicalpha [04:52:21] I'll put a ticket in tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it [04:52:30] I'm pretty sure I already did that [04:53:08] If it isn't working that's another bug, or I meant to like 2 years ago and forgot lol [04:53:27] Heh, so it goes [04:55:10] It definitely is disallowed [04:55:26] https://github.com/miraheze/ManageWiki/blob/62ca5d306e3146eaa0db10990c6609cf60f5a7f8/extension.json#L202 @notaracham [04:55:33] Just to confirm for repro purposes, did you do anything specifically to create the "special" namespace, or did you go to the normal manage namespaces link created by ManageWiki? [04:56:13] Thanks, I'll poke at it in a bit to see if anything stands out to me as an escape vector [04:57:04] https://github.com/miraheze/ManageWiki/commit/753cae08aa5fb1d1e95bc87e595a58ad9bd89686 was my fix two years ago [04:57:44] Wow almost exactly two years. Good on my memory lol [04:57:55] Yeah. [04:59:44] That is not a yes-or-no question [05:04:00] OK, I will work on creating more pages now [05:49:13] Still waiting for someone to process the image files for my wiki lol [06:08:17] <_wr_., replying to agentisai> There's some problem going on for non-English wikis. Every MediaWiki strings turned into the English ver no matter how I changed the languge core settings in ManageWiki. [06:12:11] +1 [06:18:02] you are being told to not create pages w/ `Special:` prefix [06:31:42] @Site Reliability Engineers [06:32:02] hm? [06:32:21] @reception123 3 reports of i18n issues [06:33:13] @cosmicalpha any idea why that would happen? [06:34:42] In regards to the Special Namspace, this is not allowed and will not work. @eikky: This is your only warning. SRE will consider formal action if the namespace isn't deleted. [06:34:52] Which I'm not even sure you can do [06:35:01] Uh, OK [06:35:03] But you need to permit us deleting it [06:35:42] @eikky could you please give us your wiki url and we can delete it [06:35:49] OK [06:35:59] redland.miraheze.org [06:36:03] Thanks! [06:40:05] Much appreciated, not entirely sure how it happened but it can create quite the mess if uncorrected. [06:47:46] same problem here >_> [06:49:15] This is an unfortunate upstream issue that (I'm pretty sure) we've already surfaced to the folks at WMF [06:54:10] this isn't the first time non-English wikis have had this problem after an update. the problem is that the modules, templates don't work and the homepage is empty. I had a small heart attack, I thought I had lost everything, then I remembered that it had already happened once.. [07:05:14] <_wr_.> Seems that it has been fixed for me [07:10:15] +1 for me [07:10:37] (bonus: It seems that the XMLs has already been done for me too, thanks!) [07:10:57] [1/2] these links on the bottom of the miraheze.org homepage are so hard to read lol [07:10:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1203960940568117308/image.png?ex=65d2ff00&is=65c08a00&hm=4d28c5b8c76630816583d7fb3cadf1ced713f725612bf7da749b22b42357a472& [07:17:28] upstream means it's beyond of Miraheze tech folks control and is brought up to Wikimedia, the actual people who actually develop MediaWiki and its core features and extensions [07:24:58] I know what upstream means and I think this is one of the most obnoxious bugs. however, everything seems to be working now >_> [08:08:34] never mind it doesn't work. namespaces are a mess again >_> [11:16:54] Wait, what's going on? [11:17:54] [1/2] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Watchtower_Announcing_Jehovah%E2%80%99s_Kingdom [11:17:54] [2/2] RSS and REF tags aren't working, and NAVboxes are broken [11:18:55] /templatestyles [11:19:07] What's going on? [11:20:09] /templatestyles [11:20:28] Invalid tag extension name: ref [11:20:43] Invalid tag extension name: rss [11:20:53] Invalid tag extension name: references [11:21:18] /templatestyles [11:23:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204024460299083807/image.png?ex=65d33a29&is=65c0c529&hm=60a4bf88d7f0c6b79c17b958ca86041ee9b52d636408273cf5efaae707e8bb3b& [11:25:49] [1/2] Never Mind. It's working again. [11:25:49] [2/2] This was weird!! Don't know what happened! [11:43:10] Cache [12:01:49] lol [12:02:22] Anyway, I can't work with the wiki without the image files πŸ’€ [12:04:52] Cache that makes tags break? [12:04:56] hmmm [12:26:28] [1/6] did something break? my wiki's main page is broken πŸ’€ [12:26:28] [2/6] https://cravesaga.miraheze.org/wiki/Crave_Saga_Wiki [12:26:28] [3/6] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204040341431521291/image.png?ex=65d348f3&is=65c0d3f3&hm=f414823239b278e2d05dea3f5dd425806d3c35b0340f831ae2d7bfa02c5548d6& [12:26:29] [4/6] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204040341980979212/image.png?ex=65d348f3&is=65c0d3f3&hm=81ee6f9aa0f97a8c47325131afd15c1cd3637a95dae24b0b70134aa39b5079f9& [12:26:29] [5/6] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204040342270124093/image.png?ex=65d348f3&is=65c0d3f3&hm=bdd1efb956065b0cbf34c84b466e4637091b0a0920dcc3700f3905e2b569b39f& [12:26:29] [6/6] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204040342530166784/image.png?ex=65d348f3&is=65c0d3f3&hm=aeca77e52d772599364313e169c93e1d6e43f827617270e526b2d554db77f1c0& [12:27:56] dpl and css extensions :ThinkerMH: [12:29:24] my wikis are ok, just the whole styling loading slowly [12:29:46] missing extensions [12:31:00] there's something either w/ cache or ManageWiki? [12:31:20] because Ro reported broken TemplateStyles earlier [12:34:21] Try Purging! [12:34:33] That worked [12:35:24] [1/2] omg it works! ty πŸ™ [12:35:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204042591386083348/image.png?ex=65d34b0b&is=65c0d60b&hm=664794232b3d7c80ce0a72098cfbf8c575ad74f53248c885ae94e9a0d7814002& [12:35:25] [1/2] How weird it may sound, but it is a cache problem. Just weird that it is html tags. [12:35:25] [2/2] The navbar made only from wikicode was not impacted [12:36:27] yes, it's so weird 😭 [12:37:03] [1/3] Weird bug (?) [12:37:04] [2/3] I was editing some article, and when I saved it, suddenly all image are missing. [12:37:04] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204043008513810442/image.png?ex=65d34b6f&is=65c0d66f&hm=e62f03918199f69c493198edd6c03ec189284d3981ea9d508290a29ca81cfda9& [12:37:21] [1/2] Even opening the image leads to this [12:37:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204043080437866496/image.png?ex=65d34b80&is=65c0d680&hm=432f7bd58fed72e25b74c5c2259c8c9e5263261ebb7fd8d8d8f5a217563678ac& [12:37:36] Other users have reported similar issues; try purging your cache and see if that fixes it [12:40:15] Nope, it still happen. Tried other browser (including private mode) and the problem still present. πŸ€” [12:43:17] Link? [12:43:23] did you use images from Wikimedia Commons? [12:52:20] I think it's the same problem I have. my wiki is in Italian, so certain namespaces are translated ("module" is "modulo", "category" is "categoria"). berkas, I assume, is the Indonesian translation of file and the wiki doesn't recognize it as the file namespace for some reason [12:55:14] Yeah, might be. That should be easy to replicate, by changing language to English, or for others to other languages [13:07:42] [1/2] does anyone know why seo description doesn't work for some pages on my wiki? [13:07:42] [2/2] https://cravesaga.miraheze.org/wiki/(Darkness_Lion_King)_Bergamond [13:07:54] [1/2] the seo description should be something like this [13:07:54] [2/2] https://cravesaga.miraheze.org/wiki/Sabisuke [13:18:03] No, all of images are directly uploaded to Miraheze wiki [13:18:15] https://jkt48wiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Daftar_fanbase [13:18:53] [1/2] actually, seo description does work when searching on google. but somehow it doesn't work when posting link on discord for some pages. weird πŸ€” [13:18:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204053533704323142/image.png?ex=65d3553c&is=65c0e03c&hm=29bd261d848456bc21ec8bfd8916b8b60ef563f4b3294f694cc345831acf64ab& [13:19:29] why seo updates exactly when it shouldn't lol [13:19:30] damn [13:21:14] numerous cache and localisation issues, affecting how extensions behave @Site Reliability Engineers [13:25:12] [1/2] Yeah, this is a language problem. [13:25:12] [2/2] As soon as I change Berkas: to File: the image is shown. [13:25:34] So the translations are not recognized [13:25:57] Another reason to use commons πŸ™‚ [15:43:25] i've been getting 504 gateway timeouts when trying to do an edit or uploading an image [15:43:37] should be fixed in a few mins [15:43:45] cool [15:44:33] down? [15:47:21] any leads on why it keeps happening? [15:48:25] it's not incidental, it's caused by someone [15:48:29] that someone being me right now [15:48:50] I'm migrating metawiki to its own database server so even if everything crashes and burns, Meta is safe [15:49:39] letshopenothingwillcrashandburn [15:51:00] I mean if EVERYTHING crashes and burns, surely that database server would be part of that crash and burn too πŸ˜‰ [15:51:52] And so is my image files? [16:05:06] it has already been fixed on my side [16:31:49] Only this server gets the special fire suppression system, they are expensive you know [17:15:54] added local file support + now w/ normal documentation lol [18:17:09] Am I able to have totaltennis.miraheze 's stats refreshed, I've imported all pages and it shows up as zero [18:18:01] @platyellow pages or content pages / articles? [18:18:32] [1/2] content pages [18:18:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204128944257892442/Untitled.png?ex=65d39b77&is=65c12677&hm=f67c643a52991a2ccd9a6ddf8eb38d3277ce8c7a1b0da0fbfdb1780713f7353f& [18:18:55] Do they all have a link in? [18:19:15] That seems very low for 6k pages but do remember that [18:19:19] most will, but it should show up as 4,388 [18:19:25] @cosmicalpha @reception123 [18:19:28] Definitely not user error, WT equivalent shows ^ [18:19:31] Can we do magic [18:19:48] Either way, the weekly job will pick up rebuild in time [18:20:14] 1/6k would be insanely small but just wanted to clarify the difference when it didn't match in numbers [18:21:05] Some of those are auto-query, some of those require the update_statistics task to run, IIRC [18:21:08] No worries, it did this last year when I movd it over to WikiTide, so I assumed it would be a similar error showing up [18:21:27] Looks like next run is the 15th, so worst case it's 11 days out. [18:21:35] Thought it was weekly for some reason, not bi-monthly [18:33:07] goodbye phabricator.miraheze.org [18:33:13] https://github.com/miraheze/puppet/pull/3737#event-11708286123 [18:34:33] CosmicAlpha: Github OAuth is mega broken [18:34:59] oh, GH is broken? I was worried about MW oauth... [18:35:05] that actually works fine [18:35:19] but GH complains about the callback URI [18:35:27] I had to update the DB for MW, I will look at GH now [18:37:33] damn, issue-tracker doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as phabricator [18:37:57] we have a thing for non easy names [18:37:59] like Miraheze [18:39:10] is zendesk copyrigthed word? [18:39:15] or something [18:39:22] more like trademarked in that case [18:39:28] and the answer is likely yes [18:39:29] yeah, trademarked [18:39:29] You should just change it to the "Super-Fantastical-Phanstasm-of-Fixing-Stuff-and-Things" If you want something to roll off the tongue [18:40:06] how about, oopsie journal [18:40:50] And you click a buttong that says "I made an oopsie", and then at the end of it, its Resolved the Oopsie, or Server Made an Oopsie Daisey [18:41:27] an "oopsie award" at the end of the year would be funny [18:41:40] given to the SRE with the worst mess ups in the year [18:42:08] be the change you want to see in the world, you know :) [18:42:35] create a badge for that on phabphorgeissue-tracker [18:42:50] When you make a comment, its not a comment its "Uhh-oooh" [18:43:09] issue-tracker = IT? :thonk: [18:46:28] is there a way to force WikiSEO to take the image from the topmost infobox? [18:46:32] other than doing it manually [18:47:00] well, add the parser function into infobox template? [18:47:44] `{{#seo|image={{{image|}}}}}` [18:47:44] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%23seo [18:47:53] like in the actual template itself? [18:48:15] yeah [18:48:19] oo thank you, let me do that [18:48:27] i didnt know i could put seo in infobox templates like that :0 [18:48:38] it's a template after all [18:49:20] are you using PortableInfobox? [18:49:48] i believe so yes [18:49:58] or you're using several infoboxes? [18:50:05] on a single page? [18:50:09] one infobox per page [18:50:20] ported over from fandom so i THINK its portableinfobox [18:50:27] yeah [18:51:56] [1/2] my bad, missed a `:`, should be [18:51:56] [2/2] `{{#seo:|...` [18:52:13] oh hmm we're using html syntax [18:52:24] [1/6] ```html [18:52:24] [2/6] [18:52:25] [3/6] [18:52:25] [4/6] /image [18:52:25] [5/6] ``` [18:52:25] [6/6] not sure if its still possible this way [18:52:43] it's possible, you just put it ouside [18:53:02] outside the tag right? [18:53:16] no, after `/infobox` [18:53:25] aha, awesome [18:53:36] do i put it inside ? [18:53:41] yup [18:54:49] oop, 502'd [18:54:58] things might be get messy if you are using `` inside `|image` tho [18:55:10] several images in an infobox [18:55:24] oh nah we only use one image [18:55:40] [1/2] ummmm ? [18:55:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204138287703527444/image.png?ex=65d3a42b&is=65c12f2b&hm=ae2402d0d9ff1fb2eb8399890f6a26521634f1552a4123b58399fd149aa9a027& [18:55:44] this is a good time for the backend to fail HAHA [18:55:47] cp36 [18:56:01] Wasn’t it said there would be less 5xx errors with the move? [18:56:06] Yep, just got it on my end. [18:56:15] cp37 for me [18:56:17] is miraheze down again [18:56:21] yup [18:56:28] well thats fun [18:56:30] nothing, just huge error lol [18:56:33] migrating a database as large and complex as this is difficult, there is always bound to be teething issues as the infrastructure settles itself [18:56:37] this is normal and expected [18:56:55] that statement wasn't intended to cover human error by me \:P [18:57:01] what did you do this time!! [18:57:16] [1/3] 502 [18:57:16] [2/3] > Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp36 at Mon, 05 Feb 2024 18:56:47 GMT [18:57:17] [3/3] > Varnish XID 61669578, serving 24.102.178.178, XXX.X.X.X. [18:57:17] i'm getting 502s [18:57:34] [1/2] btw is there a way to embed ogg files so that they look like this ? [18:57:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204138767510802504/image.png?ex=65d3a49d&is=65c12f9d&hm=831bc5239e1215598bee652115b9844097405731d5a621b1fb5cbbbbbaf8e45c& [18:57:35] it's either miraheze-backup overloading the dbs or sql.php running too many tasks [18:57:37] got Error 503 as well [18:57:52] or... something else? [18:57:53] might be [18:58:16] it's ho Chromium renders "raw" audio files [18:58:39] i know miraheze has a few audio handler extensions idk if they handle ogg though [18:58:51] because i cant really upload mp3 files [18:58:56] seems to be a surge in traffic, if you catch my drift πŸ€” [18:58:57] for some reason [18:59:17] its back for me [18:59:28] ok me too [18:59:34] if you get an error on upload check settings/media, if mp3 is allowed [19:00:32] [1/2] @theoneandonlylegroom sorry to bother you, the SEO tag is correctly included but it now appears on every page, is there a way i can change this? [19:00:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204139513400786974/image.png?ex=65d3a54f&is=65c1304f&hm=62f95e34daebfd4c2a1de1c25fb487afef91cf971ecef7234712092209827d2b& [19:00:41] not sure what i did wrong LOL [19:00:49] oh wait i didnt know i could do that [19:00:51] thats amazing [19:02:27] is WikiSEO extension enabled on your wiki? :ThinkerMH: [19:02:37] it is yeah, its working correctly elsewhere so im not sure what happened here [19:02:47] [1/2] giving me this even if its an mp3 file [19:02:48] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204140081833844779/image.png?ex=65d3a5d7&is=65c130d7&hm=1202b5572b94ee2468bb6769ddba484a084678182a96ff32257259939221644f& [19:03:19] heres the template , not sure if you can view the source [19:03:40] that's not an mp3 ... [19:03:46] if it says [19:03:48] mpga [19:04:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204140391214088232/image.png?ex=65d3a621&is=65c13121&hm=7c54b5a9f74ff1f65076095a379581f7df5d668903ab862891b94359f1345b84& [19:04:25] mediawiki is very literal and goes by extension and MIME, you need to resave it or convert it into a literal mp3 [19:04:44] yeah [19:05:36] an oddly saved or weird files will refuse to work [19:05:43] i know that pain well πŸ₯² [19:06:03] alright ill try that rq [19:06:34] yeah i cant figure out why the SEO tag is showing here, it doesnt on my other pages i have it D: [19:07:12] edit conflict [19:07:25] oh sorry [19:07:33] can you disregard my edit? [19:07:54] you forgot to add `:` [19:08:05] oh my gosh im sorry LOL [19:08:13] my initial code was wrong [19:08:24] thank you, it works!!! [19:08:25] just tested :D [19:10:56] our SEO has jumped a huge amount recently, i think we're at like almost 1000 clicks, 61k impressions, and getting a ton of impressions for just 'phighting wiki'. WikiSEO definitely helps a ton [19:12:13] it's a must when you fight against a fandom wiki [19:12:33] but also keep posting link to the wiki on other places [19:12:38] YEAH for sure, we were basically hopeless without it, bc google doesnt really index miraheze on its own [19:12:42] which google cam index [19:12:45] we got a shoutout on twitter so thats been giving us a huge surge [19:12:52] twitter doesn't work anymore, etc [19:13:14] submit to Indie Wiki Buddy too [19:13:20] oh yeah thats a good point [19:13:24] [1/2] still doing it, i tried reconverting [19:13:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204142752624021604/image.png?ex=65d3a854&is=65c13354&hm=3d948efeb7d7c9f0b644b606d84f87303752d77f1fec068b4ee67cb51b0cb983& [19:13:44] That's not listed in permitted [19:13:52] If it's not in ManageWiki, we can assess [19:14:07] is mpga an option in dropdown? [19:14:14] also how the file is named? [19:14:25] No idea [19:14:33] mw is very picky on file extension in the name [19:14:48] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204143103557115924/image.png?ex=65d3a8a7&is=65c133a7&hm=f257cef08d27882d570a3f5c51462dfc5c517ff6103d2221314f3bde7cf22273& [19:17:00] That reminds me, what’s a good start for working with the wikiSEO extension? I’d like to get the wiki in the search results to hopefully eventually overtake the FANDOM wiki [19:17:22] [[User:NotAracham/WikiSEO - Improving Search Ranking]] [19:17:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/WikiSEO_-_Improving_Search_Ranking [19:17:23] [19:17:33] ^ this guide is what i used and it worked perfectly [19:17:40] you have to set up google search console but once you do its pretty easy from there [19:18:00] i did a bit of a sneaky in my main page SEO [19:18:05] [1/5] ```{{#seo: [19:18:06] [2/5] |description= The official wiki for PHIGHTING!, a ROBLOX class-based shooter by Boggio. [19:18:06] [3/5] |keywords= PHIGHTING, PHIGHTING!, ROBLOX, shooter, FPS, TPS, boggio, phight, phighter, phighters, wiki, fandom, miraheze, wikia, mediawiki [19:18:06] [4/5] }}``` [19:18:07] [5/5] they wont know what hit em [19:18:23] ive no idea if that actually works but i figured it was funny anyway [19:18:38] I've been told several times that keywords don't hold any power now, but idk [19:18:53] Hey, glad to see my guide is getting some use. πŸ˜„ [19:19:00] tbh ive no idea, i found that impressions jumped quite a bit for the main page for just 'phighting wiki' after i added them but it could totally be correlation not causation [19:19:10] I've beaten fandom twice w WikiSEO, so glad that it's giving folks a boost. [19:19:23] [1/2] ok i did it [19:19:23] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204144256491585576/image.png?ex=65d3a9ba&is=65c134ba&hm=8161faea753264be3f124fb4b0f56f749d1475f40b8176832590d5b5a3144f44& [19:19:25] finally [19:19:27] woohoo! [19:19:32] and yeah your guide was awesome, it was very easy to use [19:19:33] what fixed it? [19:19:57] [1/2] enabled this in extensions [19:19:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204144400226197565/image.png?ex=65d3a9dc&is=65c134dc&hm=02931037597bcd9741bdffdb2378a7e54ef75a9f2778910773a62ef9aefa5fde& [19:19:58] But to echo Legroom, pushing organic traffic is also super important, if there's an existing community on your topic, keeping it fresh in their mind as a handy resource helps a ton. [19:20:03] and it embeds ogg files now [19:20:05] I still marvel at the fact that tictoc trend boosted my wiki lol [19:20:12] oh yeah so, our wiki is actually the official wiki on the topic, owned by the devs of the game [19:20:18] man I thought it's enabled already lol [19:20:20] they made the choice to move to miraheze, im just the lead of the project [19:20:23] by your dirst screenshot [19:20:30] so we have their socials and authority to go 'this is the new wiki now kthxbye' [19:20:33] wasnt for me lol [19:20:42] no i took that screenshot on a fandom wiki [19:21:00] ive wondered if its possible for owners of an IP to request FANDOM shut down a wiki on their IP but i doubt the devs would be bothered LOL [19:22:43] I've heard couple of times that Rain World devs somehow managed to shutdown the wiki pn Fandom, but then there are duplicate wikis over there, it seems [19:22:56] yeah you cant really stop them opening a new one, but i wonder if we could get the old one deleted [19:23:38] ive got kind of a funny problem now - since we recently got a social media shoutout, we've had more FANDOM users join the new wiki. which is great! but erm, they grew up on FANDOM wikis and so keep trying to use Talk pages as a discussion board πŸ˜… [19:23:58] oh, it's a huge problem [19:24:23] i didnt realize how bad of a problem it was LOL, FANDOM really turned wikis into a social media experience - we still have users on the FANDOM who use it purely just to post their art or fanfic or such which i mean, i dont mind [19:24:26] bane of PTW [19:25:42] I can suggest a bootleg replica solution but then comes the resposibility of moderating discussions anyway [19:25:52] im open to suggestions [19:25:54] I'd rather not have that on a wiki at all [19:26:09] yeah im of two minds, but we cant close the discussion on fandom so maybe moving them to somewhere we can see better would be a better idea [19:26:32] Even as goofy as it is, it's still traffic. πŸ™‚ [19:26:35] that is true! [19:26:47] if 13 yr olds posting their fanart boosts our SEO then ill take it/lh [19:27:14] [1/2] ok you've got to be kidding [19:27:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204146234181296158/image.png?ex=65d3ab92&is=65c13692&hm=4a2f5543686765b9eacf8127bc9c50176fae0513ddcac965222c8cac8d31afce& [19:27:16] what I"m afraid of is file piling [19:27:30] oh yeah thats true... FANDOM seperates discussion files from actual wiki files iirc [19:27:35] which is, a pretty useful thing [19:27:37] Yeah, that's a very valid concern... [19:27:50] itd be nice if we ever got a full blown discussions extension for mediawiki [19:27:53] again, looking at PTW - tones of garbage got impoted over, we are still cleaning up [19:28:08] oh yeah, i trimmed our files before i went through manually porting them [19:28:12] there were some.. interesting things in there [19:28:13] There are a few things in this domain, but they're unfortunately not really well-built for purpose [19:28:31] yeah, i dont think anyone other than FANDOM has ever taken on this helm proper, because its just not what most wiki-ers want, which is totally fair [19:28:51] a young user brought a valid concern to me that theyre too shy to talk in the discord, and i understand that, i told them theyre free to talk on my talk page anytime [19:29:03] I remember forums back in Wikia days being pretty good, idk if it's the same WikiForum extension, but neither work now [19:29:39] random question but WikiSEO doesnt support applying colour to Discord embeds does it [19:29:52] that I don't know [19:29:59] it doesnt seem to be in the docs :( shame [19:30:15] Yeah... I don't really know much beyond what's in the docs, sorry.. [19:30:18] its okay! [19:30:24] you guys are very helpful as always [19:34:50] [1/2] why is it so long 😭 [19:34:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204148146784043069/image.png?ex=65d3ad5a&is=65c1385a&hm=5be89375ceb54b452668fabe12a062ccd69a89024346036e89e6a50a8b53ffbd& [19:39:19] [1/7] as for bootleg solution: [19:39:20] [2/7] - enable DiscussionTools extension (requires VisualEditor and Linter to work) - this is what Meta Wiki uses on noticeboards + talk pages, it's like more friendlier UI for posting and replying, but in the end looks like traditional talk pages [19:39:20] [3/7] - create a custom namespace, I called it Forum on my wiki [19:39:20] [4/7] - in namespace settings make talk version nonindexed and edited only by admins (editinterface) + hide the "Talk page" links for it via CSS, example: (the important part is namespace number) [19:39:21] [5/7] - create a board header template which should have `NEWSECTIONLINK` magic word; example: [19:39:21] [6/7] - create some pages in Forum namespace, w/ this template [19:39:21] [7/7] - you can make a Forum Index page in Project namespace, example: [19:40:09] oo thank you, ill have to see if we want to go ahead of this but this is a really useful guide!! i appreciate it ❀️ [19:40:32] I previosly done that w/ another extension though, but it proved to be clunky and apparently getting abandoned soon [19:40:34] SocialProfile is also available for a more social media style experience but uh... tends to lead to problems. [19:40:43] yeah we have socialprofile enabled but its very...clunky [19:40:46] SocialProfile is too ols [19:40:47] I recommend against it, or at least disabling 'foes' if it's enabled [19:41:12] im probs gonna disable it tbh, we dont really get much use from it [19:41:28] Yeah, it tends to create more drama than benefit [19:41:30] i might go with discussiontools to atleast streamline talk pages a bit [19:41:47] DT is good for that yeah [19:41:56] I never like to post in talk pages lol [19:42:13] talk pages on their own are so antique, LOL [19:42:23] im surprised our users even figured out how to use them [19:42:26] i do get to have a fun signature though [19:43:28] im also surprised noones figured out they can email me yet [19:43:31] like through my page [19:49:23] sorry more questions from me, is there any reason why VisualEditor isnt working on my wiki? i tried it months ago and whenever it goes to `?veaction=edit` it just never loads, and its still doing the same [19:49:54] VE can be kind of touchy, might be worth attempting a disable and re-enable [19:49:58] that's kind of a common issue actually [19:50:11] yeah, it was disabled and i re-enabled it, still no dice :( im using a re-skin of Timeless, idk if that matters [19:50:24] It also isn't enabled for all namespaces by default [19:50:36] yeaaah [19:50:38] More the publishers than the devs but yeah, DMCA takedown. (Though I don't really know the details, I wasn't an admin back then) [19:50:55] the buttons there on Main, and it correctly links, it just.. never loads the editor [19:51:03] IP owners [19:51:41] we at PTW enabled VE only to enable DT for talk pages, and disabled VE links on articles w/ CSS [19:52:01] admins decided to ahave only source editing lol [19:52:20] (and proud of that) [19:52:26] yeah i prefer source editing but i know a lot of people like VE. but if it doesnt work well i guess everyones gotta learn wikitext, LOL [19:52:43] if it doesn't load that's a different issue [19:53:01] make a task in [[Tech:Phabricator]], someone from SRE will look at it when they can [19:53:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Phabricator [19:53:11] oops, [[Phabricator]] [19:53:11] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phabricator [19:53:17] that link is the technical docs [19:53:30] miraheze phabricator right? [19:53:39] [1/2] how do i make it not be this long [19:53:39] yes [19:53:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204152882195337276/image.png?ex=65d3b1c3&is=65c13cc3&hm=cc56084ef25e859b55479ae1180ce23a0d26ffbd8ffe858e9f1e4a5884e0f31b& [19:54:01] oh huh, it loads on css pages for some reason... ?? [19:54:03] wat [19:54:19] what exactly? [19:54:24] the sound file [19:54:25] the file ? [19:54:32] ive tried width but it does nothing [19:54:35] it works like images [19:54:45] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204153158159573002/image.png?ex=65d3b204&is=65c13d04&hm=f323cc76f6cefc24b52a00107700d7cc90ef4dcc4d3bb33eb41e6436e0a780b3& [19:54:47] `[[File:....|100px]]` [19:54:47] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:.... [19:54:53] oh really [19:54:59] or 50px in your case [19:55:23] [1/2] oh thanks man [19:55:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204153317060771861/image.png?ex=65d3b22a&is=65c13d2a&hm=254c2a1c3455ce36439ebc9a43cc3082b8d4f001b975e76b9abc8723b9bab8de& [19:55:33] All my floatright tables gave suddenly gone to the left of the page idk why [19:55:41] ive been searching for a good 20minutes [19:55:52] css broke? [19:58:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204153987788705832/image.png?ex=65d3b2ca&is=65c13dca&hm=83bccd5fbc221ea87604079ea2ba2f4315a8695a1845b8a3f267e1bb3888df95& [19:58:05] oh no [19:58:09] almost painless [19:58:11] wiki? [19:58:21] https://mothergooselibrary.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [19:58:30] hmm [19:58:41] interesting [19:58:47] I can load it just fine [19:58:59] I can't seem to access it myself for some reason [19:59:05] i can access [19:59:08] [1/2] ok wow thanks [19:59:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204154260283981925/image.png?ex=65d3b30b&is=65c13e0b&hm=820d47d4d4de0df31944eb967feb405cdd04f756fb464ae658c7fbff3aae1f27& [19:59:30] I can load it fine also [20:00:27] I’m not sure since i’m very in the dark in the advanced/intermediate stuff, all i know is I reloaded my page and it went from being on the right, to being on the left so it changed live. [20:02:06] It's still persisting for me should I make a task [20:02:59] can you copy the request ID? [20:03:06] the request ID is the long string of text [20:03:51] is that on Firefox now? [20:04:11] uhh no [20:04:19] i dont think so [20:04:31] how you changed color/bordeR? [20:05:42] '|
[[File:Formidable.mp3|130px]]/div' [20:05:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Formidable.mp3 [20:05:55] ah, the cell [20:06:47] [1/2] we'll need JS to make it look pretty [20:06:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204156184425275392/2024-02-05_23_06_32.png?ex=65d3b4d6&is=65c13fd6&hm=e6b396078e4720e280f6b433d987527e5dc8da364a829cdcd3adefa5b1349737& [20:07:49] whats the better option for displaying WebM? EmbedVideo or TimedMediaHandler ? [20:08:40] I'd say TimedMediaHandler [20:09:07] much easier to use, just add the file w/ image syntax [20:09:32] hmm, i cant seem to get it to load [20:09:41] upload file? [20:09:47] wdym sorry? [20:10:07] you get an error on upload, or when you try to add file on page? [20:10:23] OH so, the file already exists and it just does appears as wikitext when on the page [20:10:29] You mean the wiki request I've submitted? If so, I can't seem to find it anywhere. [20:10:36] [1/2] it also just appears as a white square on the file page: [20:10:36] [2/2] if you click it though, it loads [20:10:53] no, the request ID is the long string of text inside brackets on error pages [20:10:53] no, the code in the error [20:10:57] so like [oewhcunfucjd8439f2f] [20:11:50] [1/2] Oh my bad the wording wasn't very clear. Here it is: [20:11:50] [2/2] `[92392f0c0fabee385c8a7a2d]` [20:11:51] Oh, that's a clickthrough setting if you've got EmbedVideo enabled, specifically require consent [20:12:07] [1/3] It used to work till bout like 10 mins ago heres the formatting thats all i can think to send :/ [20:12:08] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204157530088022056/IMG_0197.png?ex=65d3b617&is=65c14117&hm=8e6072e15a69d4aecdd28cf527f3d16daa882eb6316a1fa5d74c00c5686ba467& [20:12:08] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204157530364969031/IMG_0198.png?ex=65d3b617&is=65c14117&hm=4f332e3797e7906aa91d12516ad65e90b36cfd52facb8a1179168e3d0492f042& [20:12:29] OH ok, ive disabled it, and now just TimedMediaHandler is enabled, should i just wait a bit? [20:12:38] Yeah, might need a minute to re-cache [20:12:47] no worries [20:12:52] in the meantime uh, ive got a totally different issue [20:12:54] our Vector theme is not loading [20:12:58] Not the same id as the one in the screenshot bc apparently reloading on the error page makes a new one [20:13:27] [1/2] i dont use this theme so i didnt realize but it was working fine before the database drops, what should i do? sorry for all the questions omg [20:13:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204157863635976282/image.png?ex=65d3b666&is=65c14166&hm=eeb00c797f3496bb6ede22d5e94b35045dd150c8c5ded61170790caa11e59664& [20:13:52] [1/2] I'm getting this error [20:13:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204157971009904722/image.png?ex=65d3b680&is=65c14180&hm=9d15793a5c7142ee5a731827727d7252312c9d66f2c253a6e8ffb39e72f277c3& [20:14:06] what skin is that/ [20:14:19] Vector, i think the 2022 version [20:14:24] i havent touched it at all [20:14:30] Huh same one as me [20:14:48] guess I wasn't the only one having this issue [20:14:56] at least for my wiki [20:15:30] eh, it loaded once i logged in [20:16:00] I also have Vector 2022 and a bunch of elements got disabled bc there's suddenly like zebra-design-disabled classe [20:16:16] tbh i need to move to our custom theme anyway i guess this is miraheze telling me to hurry up LOL [20:17:52] ironically, i restyled Vector to look similar to Zebra without knowing about Zebra. (Comparison: , ) [20:18:26] yeah so Vector-2022 is broken but only when a user is not logged on, you can see for yourself here: [20:18:29] logging in immediately fixes it [20:18:54] and now i cant log in :( [20:19:07] [1/2] `[2c1ac61de83b042be88e3763] 2024-02-05 20:18:49: Fatal exception of type "LogicException"` [20:19:07] [2/2] i can see shes falling apart a little bit so ill stop editing for now LOL [20:19:33] [1/2] yup, vector 2022 is broken for anons [20:19:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204159398663163994/2024-02-05_23_19_09.png?ex=65d3b7d4&is=65c142d4&hm=62debddaceebd3f66bf0bfa01ecabf851adf558e38edeac7b136d57ea5b46cdb& [20:19:55] create phab tasks pls [20:20:03] include exception IDs where applicable [20:20:08] can you guess why? [20:20:14] we're on 1.41 πŸŽ‰ [20:20:22] woot, sort of [20:20:23] :ThinkingHardMH: [20:20:28] it always happens when we upgrade [20:20:37] give cache some time to purge itself out [20:20:41] i didnt know if it was appropriate to make phab tasks for things that seem like temporary database issues [20:20:43] aight [20:20:43] but CA suggests I force purge the cache [20:20:47] so I will do that [20:21:00] agentisai: without the backtrace it is kinda hard [20:21:14] stuff like login issues deserves a phab task pretty much always [20:21:28] it is always good idea to have SRE look at them [20:21:29] ahh okay, ill make one then [20:21:31] login issues should be fixed [20:21:42] they only affected 2FA enrolled users [20:21:43] no, still broken for me [20:21:47] and i have no 2fa [20:21:49] ill go phab [20:21:53] oh, login issue? [20:21:56] ye [20:22:00] please paste the request ID [20:22:16] [1/2] `[a324ad29ae3f939e6a5d0561] 2024-02-05 20:21:39: Fatal exception of type "LogicException"` [20:22:16] [2/2] heres one, reply is another [20:22:53] [1/2] same here I still can't access my wiki. I'm also logged in. [20:22:53] [2/2] `[904fa2106b7eb008a4d4ed0b]` [20:22:55] ...i cant log into phabricator :D [20:22:58] looking [20:23:04] ty agent, i appreciate you [20:23:28] `LogicException: Domain 'tankmenwiki' is not recognized` [20:23:41] eh [20:23:52] that was an old wiki i had that was disabled, but im trying to log into phightingwiki [20:23:55] and meta [20:23:56] `Error: Call to undefined method LanguageEn::convert()` [20:23:58] Well ive gone through all the styles and looked over the formatting a thousand times over so I’ll assume it’s like an update thing and it’ll sort itself out. [20:24:22] Oh dumb, I wouldn't be surprised if CentralAuth is bouncing off deleted wiki records again. [20:24:27] D: [20:24:28] cp36 is being restarted [20:24:30] my ghosts are coming back to haunt me [20:24:33] once back up, cp37 is next [20:24:34] Oughhh [20:24:41] hey that LanguageEn stuff sounds familiar xD [20:24:52] what skin is that? [20:25:05] skin issues strike again! [20:25:11] Vector-2022, is the one having issues on anon [20:25:25] my Timeless reskin works perfectly fine, and Vector-2022 works once logged in [20:25:26] I changed my skin to Anise before I got hit with the errors [20:25:46] cp37 is now restarting [20:25:53] you guys are having a fun day huh [20:26:16] [1/3] ```"file":"/srv/mediawiki/1.41/skins/Anisa/includes/AnisaTemplate.php:179","trace":"from /srv/mediawiki/1.41/skins/Anisa/includes/AnisaTemplate.php(179)\n#0 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/skins/Anisa/includes/AnisaTemplate.php(17): AnisaTemplate->getBanner()\n#1 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/skins/SkinTemplate.php(148): AnisaTemplate->execute()\n#2 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/skins/SkinTempla [20:26:16] [2/3] te.php(174): SkinTemplate->generateHTML()\n#3 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/Output/OutputPage.php(2947): SkinTemplate->outputPage()\n#4 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(978): MediaWiki\\Output\\OutputPage->output(boolean)\n#5 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(613): MediaWiki->main()\n#6 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(86): MediaWiki->run()\n [20:26:17] [3/3] #7 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(82): wfIndexMain()\n#8 {main}"},"exception_url":"/wiki/Main_Page","caught_by":"entrypoint"}``` [20:26:21] yeah, Anisa is the issue [20:26:25] for mothergooselibrarywiki [20:26:27] Why restart cp? That doesn't purge cache I thought, but maybe am wrong. [20:26:29] that's fixed [20:26:36] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Anisa/commit/0a5338c98373cd328ca223583bd8921bf647fcce [20:26:41] cache is saved in disk [20:26:44] er [20:26:46] wrong reply [20:26:51] cache is stored in disk [20:26:56] restarting evicts everything [20:26:59] or so I've been told [20:27:04] [1/2] ? [20:27:04] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204161290302525460/image.png?ex=65d3b997&is=65c14497&hm=3bb6457f775b53d097118d4fc64bbc8aac6d30c66a2caa1f6e28b77ab3c87a5e& [20:27:08] I guess I should tell the Fluent maintainer that is indeed the fix for that issue then [20:27:25] [1/2] Unable to connect [20:27:26] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204161380719271936/image0.jpg?ex=65d3b9ad&is=65c144ad&hm=9ea50e0431c1bde1ec6f29a98661cbd97c4e06d4cf37655882d36bf8c62e1607& [20:27:29] Not that I know of, on mem it does but I didn't think it did on Varnish. I could be wrong though. [20:27:36] give it a moment [20:27:43] you're trying to connect to cp37 [20:27:47] :Thumbsup_Cat: [20:30:43] Yeah restarting cp doesn't clear it it seems @agentisai nothing changed in disk usage according to Grafana. [20:31:37] Something just blew up [20:31:54] :ThinkerMH: [20:32:53] yeah, you're right [20:33:43] I usually use varnishadm to purge it [20:34:47] that's because varnish fills it up so there should be no changes [20:35:04] the contents are emptied but it's prefilled [20:35:56] should work now [20:36:24] uh what [20:36:31] i deployed it and still failing with the same error [20:36:38] it didn't copy the change [20:36:40] wtf [20:36:45] @cosmicalpha ^ [20:39:11] So Comcast (the only ISP in my area) is now blocking my wiki's custom domain. They aren't blocking Miraheze.org, but if I got to pandorastale.miraheze.org, it redirects me to "unable to connect." I have to use a VPN to access the domain that I own.😭 [20:39:28] bruh [20:39:45] Can you do a traceroute? [20:40:43] I don't know what that is. I can get to it with a VPN or cellular data though. [20:41:47] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reporting_a_connectivity_issue&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop [20:42:00] do a thing w/ cmd [20:42:01] First 2 sections, not additional troubleshooting [20:42:10] Replace en.wikipedia with your wikis domain [20:43:02] Thanks, I'll try that. [20:47:57] Im getting a Fatal exception of type "LogicException" when i try to login to meta [20:48:17] exception ID? [20:51:00] b5215edcbc0443f9756f0f2d [20:51:41] `LogicException: Domain 'thundawikiwiki' is not recognized` [20:52:01] oh [20:52:04] I might know why [20:52:31] all of these wikis are deleted wikis [20:53:38] Alright i fixed it i think wikitables formatting changed or something cuz now you have to format it differently [20:54:05] even though i cant login my account that wont stop me from prototyping css [20:57:04] should work now [20:57:33] still broken for me, e9b3657a40f6a83959ccd07b [20:58:29] i'm not seeing that listed in the logs [20:58:37] tysm I can view it correctly now [20:59:21] aw man, im still getting errors, newest one is 38932f3cd5ecf4746eaca637 [20:59:51] i'm not seeing that either [20:59:58] thats so weird [21:00:29] @paladox maybe a channel not tracked? [21:00:40] it's an exception [21:00:56] @tedkalashnikov do you have a link to this wiki [21:01:02] yes, https://phighting.miraheze.org/wiki/PHIGHTING!_Wiki [21:01:17] hmm [21:01:27] Yeah but channels are defined in extensions, IE the CreateWiki channel is tracked and is defined for CW issues, maybe this is one that isn't tracked? [21:01:30] i tried another browser/incognito and it still wont let me log in [21:01:37] i have a deleted wiki attached to my acc, tankmenwiki [21:01:42] i'm not sure [21:02:16] going to doubt it though. [21:02:34] exceptions go to the exception channel regardless of if they used a different exception class. [21:02:45] Looks like I'm having a login issue too: [3ad1e45d2e560b13e7f73ed8] 2024-02-05 20:59:10: Fatal exception of type "LogicException" [21:02:55] Ah right [21:03:02] > Domain 'altversewiki' is not recognized. [21:03:15] i have no idea why it's throwing that [21:03:26] it's for the JobQueueGroupFactory [21:03:45] doesn't exist [21:04:58] it's a deleted wiki [21:05:08] for some reasons it has exempt on it but still deleted [21:06:36] @paladox [21:06:50] ok [21:07:00] but then deleted wikis shouldn't be causing this tho [21:09:23] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/commit/8dd8263f66021a6c72f4596371eb17da9f980504 wonder if this is the cause [21:09:29] Deleted wikis are causing issues [21:09:41] All the "Domain is not recognized" errors are due to them [21:09:47] I'm running SQL patches on all deleted wikis [21:21:11] [1/2] how would you be able to seperate these templates so that they aren't together like this? [21:21:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204174911573336174/image.png?ex=65d3c647&is=65c15147&hm=2e2c1cfb897f3efd89f65c60eb5edf0b49546c5d325a55a1dcb42dc9555c7d54& [21:23:04] Wrap 'em in an div and add margin via CSS, would probably be the dead-simplest way [21:48:48] It's happening again what the fuck `[ed8b199b476d3251c2101c09]` [21:49:16] [1/2] And it's this thing this time: [21:49:16] [2/2] "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnectionError" [21:49:27] having the same issue over here [21:49:27] [1/2] Everyday either this site [21:49:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204182024093564979/Screenshot_20240205-134855_Chrome.jpg?ex=65d3cce7&is=65c157e7&hm=a6892ebbf5405b352c40de0d8706dff84bca44b35d026225cb80376c7880fcde& [21:49:44] The new servers aren't having it [21:51:01] same: ` [03929b5ac83d73312b211a77] ` [21:51:06] cloud18 in particular is a bit odd [21:52:02] is createwiki on cloud18? [21:52:05] man [21:52:10] What keeps causing these issues [21:52:16] CreateWiki isn't on any server [21:52:28] It’s on all of them [21:52:46] i can't open wiki requests. i get a fatal error [21:52:48] It's floating around in the Aether? [21:52:48] We're not exactly sure. cloud18 has restarted randomly twice [21:53:57] Sorry all, it's RAM again [21:54:31] The ram shark strikes again [21:54:56] more ram [21:55:11] moar [21:55:14] downlod moar [21:57:08] Ticket raised with the dc [21:57:27] For now, we'll be starting the database back up but it may go down randomly for around 10 minutes in around an hour [22:03:14] [1/2] Hmmm, I've done something smart (I thought) in the past few days, and I can't remember what it was. [22:03:15] [2/2] But when you go to https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/ you do't get to Main Page as I suspected, but to https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/JW_Meeting What did I do wrong here? [22:04:09] Is there a page on how to make custom css for s wiki [22:05:46] Maybe you changed what is written in `MediaWiki:Mainpage` as whatever is written there is what is considered the main page of your wiki [22:06:49] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [22:07:03] No that is still showing the portal [22:07:12] Ow [22:07:14] hang on [22:07:49] It's just due to cache and multiversion [22:07:56] There's no difference between both pages [22:08:28] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage [22:09:03] It was to show JW Meeting in stead of Main Page above the portal [22:09:44] poke around web page w/ element inspector -> put your changes on `MediaWiki:`skinname`.css` page [22:10:09] there's no list of classes or anything [22:10:26] different skins, different layouts, some core elements are same though [22:11:22] [1/3] I also still need help for the sidebar contents [22:11:23] [2/3] I am trying to make it more convenient for users to browse [22:11:23] [3/3] I heard Mediawiki:Navbar was how to do it [22:11:30] you can check on other wikis' CSS pages as examples [22:12:49] [1/3] wdym? [22:12:50] [2/3] there's `MediaWiki:Sidebar` page to change links [22:12:50] [3/3] same purpose of `MediaWiki:Cosmos-navigation` for Cosmos skin [22:13:21] So it's MediaWiki:Sidebar to modify what links are in it? [22:13:55] Yes [22:14:23] Man I feel so dumb now [22:16:33] No need to. We've all been there [22:16:54] Yeah, that did it. [22:17:47] [1/3] I thought it would show JW Meeting in stead of Main Page on the Main Page, but instead it refers me to JW Meeting. [22:17:47] [2/3] I misunderstood that. [22:17:48] [3/3] Thanks [22:19:16] [1/2] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar [22:19:16] [2/2] You can take a look here. I have changed quite a bit on it [22:19:47] Maybe you can use it [22:54:05] [1/2] weird after my wiki came back online the main body CSS is just white now [22:54:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204198286609883247/image.png?ex=65d3dc0c&is=65c1670c&hm=e4245bd30170447d00a16b913c3d8c2cd48f94d06f8e7393cd74af61acb63106& [22:54:35] banger topic though [23:00:43] CHEESE [23:00:53] oh the arcade not the food [23:00:56] :sad: [23:14:13] <34.29cm> Hiiiii OTL does the new mediawiki update mean more CSS to edit again? (girl who's finding brand new white blocks on her Wiki) [23:14:32] seems so [23:14:44] would be nice for there to be a list on what to fix when this happens [23:15:22] Did Extension:Purge accidentally get disabled? Because it's one of the default extensions but there is no longer a purge link in the actions menu [23:15:58] Same on my wiki [23:16:01] <34.29cm> i'd spent so much time finding out how to get rid of that white background at the bottom of Tools and now it's back πŸ˜” [23:20:47] [1/5] if anyones trying to remove the margin at the bottom of the navigation, tools, etc. boxes it should be these selectors: [23:20:47] [2/5] ```css [23:20:47] [3/5] #mw-site-navigation .sidebar-chunk .mw-portlet > div, #mw-related-navigation .sidebar-chunk .mw-portlet-body > div [23:20:48] [4/5] ``` [23:20:48] [5/5] Looks like these are the ones that got added [23:21:14] even if you had styling for say `#mw-related-navigation .sidebar-chunk .mw-portlet` previously, itll get overrided by this new `> div` selector >__> [23:29:48] [1/2] any of these updates ever gonna fix bullet lists being broken inside tabberneue for like 4 months now [23:29:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204207278899724288/image.png?ex=65d3e46c&is=65c16f6c&hm=f5562630970b9657122d8d5e5cfd002e3b26a7071af2b25953733ad500ffeb10& [23:30:02] first bullet is always an asterisk [23:49:14] You should report that to the extension dev [23:49:25] they can't fix it if they don't know it's broken [23:49:53] You have to keep up to date with Wikimedia to figure out what wacky thing they're planning next [23:51:16] <34.29cm> [1/2] For anyone looking to remove this lil bastard in Vector 2022: `.vector-feature-zebra-design-disabled #vector-page-tools-pinned-container .vector-page-tools:after` does the job [23:51:17] <34.29cm> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204212681184120832/image.png?ex=65d3e974&is=65c17474&hm=33ea16b53f5b4c94177c9083a2f1c2181f91834a898cbe9740dccb3e785bc08b& [23:54:04] any update on the logicexception error? just wondering if i should plan trying to edit tonight or leave it for tomorrow LOL [23:55:36] No one's really sure how to fix that error [23:55:41] It's due to deleted wikis [23:56:07] I guess a quickfix would be to delete those wikis but then there's the potential of it breaking once more if more are deleted [23:59:18] man :( will i just be locked out of the wiki indefinitely then??