[00:08:43] sorry that sounded a little harsh, im a tad bit panicky only bc i have some really glaring css issues i need to fix and i cant edit that as anon LOL [00:08:52] i might just have to ask another admin to edit it for me tho i generally prefer to do it myself [00:12:41] That should urgently be looked into [00:13:21] We can delete deleted wikis I suppose [00:13:27] just back them up first [00:13:37] but I guess some might not be too happy with that [00:13:51] im cool w mine being deleted if its something i can opt into [00:13:55] i have the same problem with logging in `[15ad1b26b101be701ea4fa95] 2024-02-06 00:13:07: Fatal exception of type "LogicException"` and i dont have any deleted wikis on my account (its my first wiki) [00:14:26] That’s not a solution tho [00:14:31] Because it’ll happen again [00:14:34] [1/30] ```Domain 'altversewiki' is not recognized. [00:14:34] [2/30] mediawiki_exception_trace [00:14:34] [3/30] from /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/jobqueue/JobQueueGroupFactory.php(110) [00:14:35] [4/30] #0 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/user/UserGroupManagerFactory.php(106): MediaWiki\JobQueue\JobQueueGroupFactory->makeJobQueueGroup(string) [00:14:35] [5/30] #1 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CentralAuth/includes/User/CentralAuthUser.php(2755): MediaWiki\User\UserGroupManagerFactory->getUserGroupManager(string) [00:14:35] [6/30] #2 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CentralAuth/includes/User/CentralAuthUser.php(2583): MediaWiki\Extension\CentralAuth\User\CentralAuthUser->localUserData(string) [00:14:35] [7/30] #3 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CentralAuth/includes/User/CentralAuthUser.php(2552): MediaWiki\Extension\CentralAuth\User\CentralAuthUser->queryAttached() [00:14:36] [8/30] #4 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CentralAuth/includes/Hooks/Handlers/PasswordPoliciesHookHandler.php(57): MediaWiki\Extension\CentralAuth\User\CentralAuthUser->getLocalGroups() [00:14:36] [9/30] #5 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/HookContainer/HookContainer.php(161): MediaWiki\Extension\CentralAuth\Hooks\Handlers\PasswordPoliciesHookHandler->onPasswordPoliciesForUser(MediaWiki\User\User, array) [00:14:37] [10/30] #6 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/HookContainer/HookRunner.php(3055): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookContainer->run(string, array) [00:14:37] [11/30] #7 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/password/UserPasswordPolicy.php(192): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookRunner->onPasswordPoliciesForUser(MediaWiki\User\User, array) [00:14:38] [12/30] #8 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/password/UserPasswordPolicy.php(82): UserPasswordPolicy->getPoliciesForUser(MediaWiki\User\User) [00:14:38] [13/30] #9 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/user/User.php(995): UserPasswordPolicy->checkUserPassword(MediaWiki\User\User, string) [00:14:39] [14/30] #10 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/auth/AbstractPasswordPrimaryAuthenticationProvider.php(112): MediaWiki\User\User->checkPasswordValidity(string) [00:14:39] [15/30] #11 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/auth/TemporaryPasswordPrimaryAuthenticationProvider.php(161): MediaWiki\Auth\AbstractPasswordPrimaryAuthenticationProvider->checkPasswordValidity(string, string) [00:14:40] [16/30] #12 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/auth/AuthManager.php(557): MediaWiki\Auth\TemporaryPasswordPrimaryAuthenticationProvider->beginPrimaryAuthentication(array) [00:14:40] [17/30] #13 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/auth/AuthManager.php(487): MediaWiki\Auth\AuthManager->continueAuthentication(array) [00:14:41] [18/30] #14 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/AuthManagerSpecialPage.php(387): MediaWiki\Auth\AuthManager->beginAuthentication(array, string) [00:14:41] [19/30] #15 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/AuthManagerSpecialPage.php(519): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\AuthManagerSpecialPage->performAuthenticationStep(string, array) [00:14:42] [20/30] #16 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/htmlform/HTMLForm.php(751): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\AuthManagerSpecialPage->handleFormSubmit(array, CodexHTMLForm) [00:14:42] [21/30] #17 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/AuthManagerSpecialPage.php(450): HTMLForm->trySubmit() [00:14:43] [22/30] #18 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/LoginSignupSpecialPage.php(337): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\AuthManagerSpecialPage->trySubmit() [00:14:43] [23/30] #19 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(727): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\LoginSignupSpecialPage->execute(NULL) [00:14:44] [24/30] #20 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1621): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run(NULL) [00:14:44] [25/30] #21 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(357): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath(string, RequestContext) [00:14:45] [26/30] #22 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(960): MediaWiki->performRequest() [00:14:45] [27/30] #23 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(613): MediaWiki->main() [00:14:46] [28/30] #24 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(86): MediaWiki->run() [00:14:46] [29/30] #25 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(82): wfIndexMain() [00:14:47] [30/30] #26 {main}``` [00:14:47] you do [00:15:44] oh, I thought you meant as a quickfix [00:16:49] I do? you mean wiki edits or just another wiki? its the only wiki i have ;; [00:17:08] if you ever requested a wiki and it got closed for inactivity or otherwise deleted, itll be on your record [00:18:20] i dont think?that happened either, i edit on it every other day unless it got closed for not editting for 3 days? [00:19:59] believe i made my account and requested, made my wiki on the same day about one or two months ago [00:20:20] not exactly [00:20:33] if it's an issue pertaining to deleted wikis it sounds like you're screwed if you're simply a part of a wiki that was then deleted [00:20:51] Yeh I’m screwed [00:20:59] oh mb, that was the case for me haha [00:21:00] Can’t login on my phone but still logged in on my Mac [00:21:04] attachment is as easy as visiting somewhere when logged in [00:21:19] this is a UBN moment [00:21:26] oh yeesh, im surprised its not more widespread [00:21:36] I undoubtedly would be screwed given my volume of attachments including to dead wikis [00:23:00] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342903 [00:23:01] related? [00:23:43] you know what, it's CentralAuth I think [00:23:54] could it be password policies? [00:25:26] how would i know my wiki got deleted for that error? i am able to view the home page and navigate it. dont think it was cus of inactivity. just cant log in... i did put the permission to edit for registered accounts only if that helps?? [00:25:50] I think you misunderstand the issue [00:25:54] sorry, i made a mistake, its actually if youve ever interacted with a wiki thats now deleted, you can now experience this error [00:26:11] unsure if others can log in... ;; yeah probably [00:26:22] ohh [00:27:13] You visited a wiki that has since been deleted, . Since you visited it, CentralAuth made a local clone of your account. Now that you're trying to log in, CentralAuth tries to query that wiki for info like your groups, if you're blocked, etc., and fails to make a job which leads to an error. [00:27:38] ah i see [00:28:38] Quick one, just a simple yes or no since I've already created a support thread: Is there an issue with requesting new wikis right now? Can't see anything when I search, [00:29:18] There is not [00:29:35] I only use [Alt]+[F7] to create • [00:29:40] what's your username [00:29:51] Djevel [00:30:32] lol, I can't login either [00:30:47] this is like getting kicked out by your own child [00:30:51] oh interesting [00:30:58] Special:CentralAuth is down entirely [00:31:04] it's a CentralAuth issue [00:31:30] there is no request (basically re: support thread), seems like it errored out... there's not a known issue but maybe it's a side effect of ^ [00:31:30] CA breaking is worst case scenario [00:31:36] it is not [00:31:49] [1/15] ```Domain 'altversewiki' is not recognized. [00:31:50] [2/15] mediawiki_exception_trace [00:31:50] [3/15] from /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/jobqueue/JobQueueGroupFactory.php(110) [00:31:50] [4/15] #0 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/user/UserGroupManagerFactory.php(106): MediaWiki\JobQueue\JobQueueGroupFactory->makeJobQueueGroup(string) [00:31:51] [5/15] #1 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CentralAuth/includes/User/CentralAuthUser.php(2755): MediaWiki\User\UserGroupManagerFactory->getUserGroupManager(string) [00:31:51] [6/15] #2 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CentralAuth/includes/User/CentralAuthUser.php(2583): MediaWiki\Extension\CentralAuth\User\CentralAuthUser->localUserData(string) [00:31:51] [7/15] #3 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CentralAuth/includes/Special/SpecialCentralAuth.php(204): MediaWiki\Extension\CentralAuth\User\CentralAuthUser->queryAttached() [00:31:51] [8/15] #4 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(727): MediaWiki\Extension\CentralAuth\Special\SpecialCentralAuth->execute(string) [00:31:52] [9/15] #5 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1621): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run(string) [00:31:52] [10/15] #6 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(357): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath(string, RequestContext) [00:31:52] [11/15] #7 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(960): MediaWiki->performRequest() [00:31:53] [12/15] #8 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(613): MediaWiki->main() [00:31:53] [13/15] #9 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(86): MediaWiki->run() [00:31:54] [14/15] #10 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(82): wfIndexMain() [00:31:54] [15/15] #11 {main}``` [00:31:55] I did just query djevel with centralauth (probably worked because no deleted wikis) [00:33:04] Must be connected then. I've tried from 2 different browsers as well as mobile. I'll just have to be patient then - thanks! [00:33:23] that was the next idea so something must be up there [00:33:52] might merit a phab task since it is a consistent & measurable issue, and as agent noted it shouldn't necessarily be connected [00:34:06] ah, `altversewiki` doesn't show up in eval when dumping $wgLocalDatabases [00:34:25] cc @paladox ^ [00:34:44] does `tankmenwiki` ? idk if its useful to have more than one example [00:35:41] nope [00:35:44] that's the issue [00:35:53] MediaWiki doesn't know those wiki databases should exist [00:35:59] because they're not in wgLocalDatabases [00:36:01] welp [00:36:31] so MirahezeFunctions is likely at fault [00:36:32] Looks like there might have been an issue for 4-5 hours based on the lack of new requests. [00:37:52] [00:42:30] @tedkalashnikov @alienselfie can you try logging in now? [00:43:58] YES thank you i could log in!! [00:44:05] had to reset my password probbaly bc of how many attempts i made LOL [00:46:40] same! thank you! just logged in normally for me [01:25:27] `ERROR_SCHEMA_INVALID_KEY` at `rushpediawiki` [02:49:48] [1/2] how do i remove those things (the [ ]) [02:49:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204257610585481236/image.png?ex=65d4134c&is=65c19e4c&hm=8c963ad126902665c5b2c84a3e0487455ddf987f3b4d23dd8487caae33709019& [02:50:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204257870762475551/message.txt?ex=65d4138a&is=65c19e8a&hm=52a7bf27c1f644e82f1d6a5a70b420a9ffa4da00669ce1f7a5318426b73db4d2& [02:51:35] You only need one pair of brackets for external links; also, you should #verify to post links [02:52:44] ok thanks :Thumbsup_Cat: [02:53:50] [1/2] uhhhh its still broken `|
'''''[https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1277158|Eclipse - SPVN/small/span]'''''/div` [02:53:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204258623388258414/image.png?ex=65d4143d&is=65c19f3d&hm=2b251225c11549a96de83305750b787306a22a2d8d64c97966ff27a0da0ae87b& [02:54:43] You also don't need to use a pipe to label external links; in fact, you shouldn't use a pipe to label external links, but rather a space between the link and the label [02:55:13] thank you it works now :Thumbsup_Cat: [03:52:40] [1/2] kinda proud of this [03:52:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204273430598520862/image.png?ex=65d42208&is=65c1ad08&hm=3eb90010699cee16c5deabab609f26b69420ce811e0dca8b8296bd786bd79e70& [03:59:38] so all wikis are on 1.41 now? [04:00:18] anyone noticed anything like that `
` change? [04:04:41] there seem to be a nice handful of undocumented changes in 1.41 [04:07:29] (First lesson learned though, don't rush and re-add the missing image borders, just purge the cache :P) [04:09:02] yes [04:17:47] how do I delete a file? i have admin permissions but can't seem to find any button or option to delete it [04:18:13] More > Delete [04:19:25] [1/2] i do not see a More option [04:19:26] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204280162578079785/2024-02-06_15_19_07-Window.png?ex=65d4284d&is=65c1b34d&hm=4b55817025450dfbb760f3de9b9e1c5aaf30e9c7860bbc6a6b5a44bfd7e130c6& [04:20:17] Add "?action=delete" to the end of the URL [04:21:03] what does figure do [04:21:19] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204280639587876874/2024-02-06_15_20_55-Window.png?ex=65d428be&is=65c1b3be&hm=04e85aba4f045f18aaedb887289e59b973f2a1f65fc94938e63209a853dd25e7& [04:21:24] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204280660655865876/2023-07-04_20_03_21-laika-studios.jpg_JPEG_Image_880_480_pixels_Mozilla_Firefox.png?ex=65d428c3&is=65c1b3c3&hm=e274efd81aedf9e2b0589d9e6969441f245a59cef5713d483ac659e3bfda614c& [04:21:29] okay time to go fix some shit in the backend [04:21:33] thanks texline666 [04:22:13] You're welcome. I had some similar problems with being unable to edit sitewide CSS despite me being the most powerful user; it had to do with ManageWiki settings [04:26:11] [1/2] in previous MediaWiki update they change how images w/ `thumb` are rendered - from `
` to `
` [04:26:11] [2/2] +``, making everyone to update CSS [04:26:39] annoying [04:26:57] something else was changed too, but I can't remember now [04:27:44] even Timeless had some changes [04:27:59] w/ headers [05:05:00] oh jesus i've gone and forgotten how to edit permissions per role [05:05:03] where do I find that [05:05:16] i'm rummaging through the special pages page and i don't see it [05:05:25] i can only find perms per-user [05:12:01] Special:ManageWiki/permissions [05:12:41] thanks [05:13:37] [1/2] huh. wtf [05:13:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204293800302870579/2024-02-06_16_13_11-View_this_wikis_permissions_-_Encyclopaedia_Of_Destiny_Mozilla_Firefox.png?ex=65d43500&is=65c1c000&hm=5311edb9014af0874cbf4fb2d00cfd421c095933acf51fe149deeef25f4d6521& [05:13:49] i administrate this wiki why have i suddenly lost? permissions? [05:16:01] ok well for some reason i didn't have the administrator role [05:16:05] this explains a lot i guess [05:17:07] ehh yeah... that doesn't look good, @Stewards I geuss ^ [05:19:21] What wiki is this for? I can revert assigned permissions to default and get you back in action [05:21:33] i've re-given myself admin permissions, but thanks for the offer [05:21:39] i'm a beauracrat, i just wasn't an admin [05:21:47] Ah, weird [05:22:06] Well, glad you're back to it [05:41:58] Hello, I've found tons of issues after enabling the "Drafts" extension (although it has been disabled now), where can I report this? Not going to be able to do such for a lil while but I want to know where to when I can. (Mainly it causing a large amount of internal errors) [05:46:04] Here. May you give us the wiki URL? [05:46:26] issue-tracker.miraheze.org is the place to report errors [05:47:19] Will write up a report tomorrow, thanks 👍 [05:48:06] [1/3] Man I'm so happy to see this [05:48:07] [2/3] A bit confused on why this isn't being reflected in the Google Search Console, but still happy nonetheless [05:48:07] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204302480960389150/Screenshot_20240206_054250_Chrome.png?ex=65d43d16&is=65c1c816&hm=a707a23f130be9db7e3dc89313e40d817a2033fac568c9557db61bc2f2a04e52& [05:49:20] GSC is always several days delayed over live [05:49:29] But congrats! [05:50:09] Ah nice [05:51:07] I have it turned off at the moment due to issues it was causing someone, but I'll get something on it later when they're finished [05:51:38] I wonder if it would be possible to beat Fandom on the search results [05:52:33] They pretty ruthlessly optimize for SEO, but it's possible, I've done it twice now [05:59:18] [1/3] Great [05:59:18] [2/3] I've been getting the community to get familiar with my wiki, I'm at an advantage where the fandom wiki is now outdated by a landslide [05:59:18] [3/3] I'll continue to get pages added for now [06:24:59] @Site Reliability Engineers Oh and now I need some update on [[phab:T11784]] [06:24:59] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab:T11784 [06:25:00] [06:27:55] the issue is the XML was not fully completed due to a (famous) content models error [06:37:58] [1/2] How do I replace this default icon? [06:37:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204315028241522718/Screenshot_2024-02-06-01-37-18-78_3aea4af51f236e4932235fdada7d1643.jpg?ex=65d448c5&is=65c1d3c5&hm=ddb949cae12cc670b5f8bc1c8663427532502d9deded097a2a2f57eb28165f3f& [06:46:39] https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-24935909 [06:49:15] Let us just go with the (images) files then... [06:49:52] I'm not sure about that because the wiki might need to be reset to fix the content models issue [06:50:16] https://tenor.com/view/no-laughing-gif-23902802 [06:51:17] I got another idea: Instead of importing the XML first, may we import the ManageWiki configs first. What do you say @reception123 [06:52:21] Proceed with the reset, then we import them again, but this time do MW first. [06:53:41] [1/2] Additional settings -> Styling tab -> Favicon and appletouch (you need to insert raw file links) [06:53:42] [2/2] if you already done that - it takes a while for Google to start showing the correct one [06:56:21] if I'll completely rewrite FAQ, resetting all translate tags on OG page, translators will have to do the work from scratch, they wouldn't be able to base new translations on old translated fragments? [06:57:03] I don't think so 💀 [06:58:13] I wouldn't mind if I'd be at least able to access fragments from page history tbh [07:00:24] idk about other translators [08:08:32] Where can i see list of wikis under review? [08:08:51] 90oooooooo [08:09:10] [[Special:RequestWikiQueue]] if I know correctly [08:09:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue [08:09:11] [08:09:53] [1/2] So why i get this message when trying to create a wiki? [08:09:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204338159442468954/image.png?ex=65d45e50&is=65c1e950&hm=46133f14bc423cd2ee4a19f09ca9d8aa54ce3b0c2c55855cd8ec58d9ce414392& [08:10:53] This means i cant create wiki after i created one two weeks ago? [08:11:52] What if delete my first wiki? [08:12:17] please wait, there might be bug w/ creation process as for now [09:17:19] ngl the update feels rushed [09:17:51] considering bumpy server move [09:19:55] there must be, not the first time it's been reported now [10:02:18] so common.css really got updated? [10:05:42] it's been so long since i last changed that page, is there a way to view the old contents so i can copy it? [10:09:42] [1/2] wait, i'm currently using vector 2022 for my wiki and the page still has the edits so why did it revert back to default color? 🤔 [10:09:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204368313241567252/image.png?ex=65d47a65&is=65c20565&hm=890826492598b8b8b283b09afbfcd39e5e3284d0bc06c2b9528a5362643ac3d8& [10:23:03] Probably the CSS isn't loading in time [10:23:21] Or chaching problem [10:24:01] But there are several that are complaining about it at the moment [10:24:30] Try purging your website [10:25:15] so how does one purge it? i'm still new to this sorry 😭 [10:25:33] add "?action=purge" behind the websites url [10:26:07] miraheze.org/wiki/pagename?action=purge [10:26:25] replace pagename with the page you are on [10:26:41] it finally worked! [10:26:47] thank you so much [10:26:51] Yeah, Cache problem then [10:26:57] you're welcome [10:29:32] [1/2] Did something happen? I haven't touched this page or the template since august last year [10:29:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204373305688199198/image.png?ex=65d47f0c&is=65c20a0c&hm=4bb83bf035fa903e35626af0c0f8bf943d8b08dc4b802f0e0bff33a6575516e6& [10:38:28] It wasn't exactly rushed. WikiTide had tested out almost all extensions already (in fact, some WT wikis had been on 1.41 since before beta). The big culprits, as always, are extensions. This time around, Anisa, Lingo, and RatePage. [10:38:57] the login issue was an interesting one because WikiTide couldn't have anticipated it because it didn't have many deleted wikis to replicate the issue with [10:39:47] If anything, this upgrade has been the least bumpiest [10:41:01] The RequestWiki bug is interesting but probably a very easy issue. It seems an exception is thrown but MediaWiki is told to interpret all exceptions as you requesting wikis too often. [10:41:18] I saw that piece of code the other day and knew it'd be an issue but didn't have time to fix [10:41:28] we could delete a wiki on beta and just leave it always deleted [10:41:50] Always a possibility [10:41:58] though thankfully, login bug has been fixed [10:42:11] and now deleted wikis have a cool new "Wiki deleted" page [10:42:27] i don't think we'll ever drop wikis on beta by accident so it'd work [10:42:29] do they? [10:42:39] https://altverse.miraheze.org [10:42:43] part of the fix [10:43:01] though the "Learn more" button should lead to an actual page lol [10:43:19] I thought [[Deleted wikis]] was a page but I think I confused it with [[Private wikis]] [10:43:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Deleted_wikis https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Private_wikis [10:43:20] [1/2] [10:43:20] [2/2] [10:43:24] cool [10:44:29] having it specified which of the delete reasons apply would be convenient, though a new mountain of effort for sure [10:44:52] that'd be a schema change [10:45:00] it's 0 or 1 now [10:46:49] we could fairly easily go bool to tinyint(3); [10:50:33] [1/2] I've noted that some with vector-2022 are suffering also. [10:50:34] [2/2] At the moment there are such random issues, related to css. Some lack the colours, others have alignment issues, or complete lack of css. [10:50:37] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Holstebro_Kingdom_Hall [10:51:02] My box normally aligns right from the map, but now sticks to the left [10:51:07] oh yes but that's just Wikimedia messing with everyone [10:51:17] not exactly an "update was rushed" issue [10:51:17] hmm [10:51:40] WMF likes to make many changes to Vector 2022 [10:52:04] Don't think it is rushed, but with all major actions, there are unforseen issues [10:52:26] How do I solve the allignment issue then? [10:53:07] tried purging already [10:53:27] Nothing is changed in the styles or css [10:59:40] [1/2] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Frederiksberg_Kingdom_Hall [10:59:41] [2/2] It just breaks my pages completely [11:02:27] any heads up when mirahexe wikis going back up? [11:02:36] it might be interesting to either try a new flagship skin ie, sticking it to vector 22 and more thoroughly looking at other options [11:03:19] what are you trying to align? [11:03:24] were they ever down? [11:03:31] yeah they aren't down [11:03:45] yeah yk the "weird issue with my wiki" post someone else idd [11:03:50] its affecting dove archives too [11:03:55] link pls [11:04:08] i tried to send it but it says blocked [11:04:19] send it without the https part [11:04:23] ah okat [11:04:28] okay* [11:04:32] www.dovearchives.wiki/wiki/Republic_of_Stret_Merdhin [11:04:43] it's up [11:04:46] what's broken with the page? [11:04:54] for me and the owner of the wiki we cant get on it [11:04:56] nor other users of it [11:05:02] do you get an error? [11:05:05] [1/4] MediaWiki internal error. [11:05:05] [2/4] Original exception: [816074439d809a3193cc688e] 2024-02-06 11:04:39: Fatal exception of type "Error" [11:05:05] [3/4] Exception caught inside exception handler. [11:05:05] [4/4] Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information. [11:05:14] that's what I needed [11:05:27] [1/22] ```mediawiki_exception_message [11:05:27] [2/22] Call to undefined method MediaWiki\Title\Title::getRestrictionTypes() [11:05:28] [3/22] mediawiki_exception_trace [11:05:28] [4/22] from /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/AuthorProtect/includes/AuthorProtect.php(96) [11:05:28] [5/22] #0 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/AuthorProtect/includes/AuthorProtect.php(40): AuthorProtect::authorProtectMessage(MediaWiki\Title\Title) [11:05:29] [6/22] #1 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/HookContainer/HookContainer.php(161): AuthorProtect::makeContentAction(MediaWiki\Skins\Vector\SkinVectorLegacy, array) [11:05:29] [7/22] #2 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/HookContainer/HookRunner.php(3577): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookContainer->run(string, array, array) [11:05:29] [8/22] #3 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/skins/SkinTemplate.php(960): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookRunner->onSkinTemplateNavigation__Universal(MediaWiki\Skins\Vector\SkinVectorLegacy, array) [11:05:30] [9/22] #4 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVectorLegacy.php(28): SkinTemplate->runOnSkinTemplateNavigationHooks(MediaWiki\Skins\Vector\SkinVectorLegacy, array) [11:05:30] [10/22] #5 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/skins/SkinTemplate.php(1350): MediaWiki\Skins\Vector\SkinVectorLegacy->runOnSkinTemplateNavigationHooks(MediaWiki\Skins\Vector\SkinVectorLegacy, array) [11:05:30] [11/22] #6 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/skins/SkinTemplate.php(604): SkinTemplate->buildContentNavigationUrlsInternal() [11:05:31] [12/22] #7 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/skins/SkinTemplate.php(181): SkinTemplate->getPortletsTemplateData() [11:05:31] [13/22] #8 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/skins/SkinMustache.php(125): SkinTemplate->getTemplateData() [11:05:32] [14/22] #9 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVectorLegacy.php(161): SkinMustache->getTemplateData() [11:05:32] [15/22] #10 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/skins/SkinMustache.php(92): MediaWiki\Skins\Vector\SkinVectorLegacy->getTemplateData() [11:05:33] [16/22] #11 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/skins/SkinTemplate.php(174): SkinMustache->generateHTML() [11:05:33] [17/22] #12 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/Output/OutputPage.php(2947): SkinTemplate->outputPage() [11:05:34] [18/22] #13 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(978): MediaWiki\Output\OutputPage->output(boolean) [11:05:34] [19/22] #14 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(613): MediaWiki->main() [11:05:35] [20/22] #15 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(86): MediaWiki->run() [11:05:35] [21/22] #16 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(82): wfIndexMain() [11:05:36] [22/22] #17 {main}``` [11:05:38] We'll have to disable AuthorProtect globally [11:07:07] @ashleywelsh_05663 can you try again? [11:07:12] yeah one second [11:07:18] still down [11:07:28] try refreshing [11:07:32] yeah i did [11:07:34] twice [11:07:38] nvm [11:07:40] its there now [11:07:46] Great! [11:07:59] thanks for sorting that [11:08:06] No problem [11:14:23] [1/5] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Holstebro_Kingdom_Hall?useskin=Citizen [11:14:24] [2/5] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Holstebro_Kingdom_Hall?useskin=vector-2022 [11:14:24] [3/5] I added a select skin on top, so you can see which ones are hit by this problem. [11:14:24] [4/5] It's this box: [11:14:25] [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204384591893495869/image.png?ex=65d4898f&is=65c2148f&hm=0682597825e1b7a58283b4c92e49e29bee47fa0f27951aaffb44f1cad284a5e3& [11:14:57] just a question are infoboxes currently broken ? [11:19:03] [1/3] @agentisai [11:19:03] [2/3] :DoneMH: Citizen, Timeless and Truglass work just fine, the others don't: [11:19:03] [3/3] :NotdoneMH: Anisa Apex Blue Sky Cosmos Cologne Blue Metrolook Modern MinervaNeue (📱) MonoBook Vector legacy (2010) Vector (2022) [11:19:34] Those are the ones installed at my wiki [11:20:19] That's what I'm trying to determin [11:22:10] [1/4] add "?action=purge" behind the websites url [11:22:11] [2/4] miraheze.org/wiki/pagename?action=purge [11:22:11] [3/4] replace pagename with the page you are on [11:22:11] [4/4] See if that helps [11:22:40] Depends if you have aa css problem or another problem [11:24:05] [1/2] Couple of months ago during an upgrade some of the parts of my wiki were broken. But just adding a little bit of text and then press safe fixed it. [11:24:06] [2/2] Well apparently when I went to the infobox in templates and simply pressed save again it's seems to be fixed. [11:24:53] Yeah, then it's a cache problem. What you did is basically the same as purging the pages [11:25:07] crude but affective [12:19:07] [1/4] Make [12:19:07] [2/4] these [12:19:07] [3/4] translatable [12:19:08] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204400879588081675/W.png?ex=65d498ba&is=65c223ba&hm=2c6d00027811abc77c6aee29301b99a48056c870b06514aaf2943b3ed551a1f6& [12:19:46] [1/2] Make these translatable [12:19:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204401044382158848/I.png?ex=65d498e1&is=65c223e1&hm=05cf41920efb3a21c9f977d8d1ebab5bef2794870f1bc27a89202060b06f08e3& [13:20:44] still doesnt work [13:21:03] should i wait longer or it is some problems with me? [13:23:08] @agentisai can you please enlighten on this error https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1204338159614169118 [13:23:27] Supposedly it was fixed by Paladox [13:23:34] and was of my doing [13:23:42] I haven't tested it out yet [13:27:39] why [13:28:01] most places they are used aren't translated pages [13:29:01] I mean just for some of them, I forgot to mention that [13:29:11] Like the Note [13:29:24] you still get the same error? [13:29:53] yes i am [13:30:07] I don't see a benefit, especially with the performance loss. [13:30:20] Translatable templates adds extra LUA [13:30:34] code be many times over on a large discussion pages [13:31:14] Huh... Interesting. But at least can we make it happen, only for the Note? [13:31:50] I only see it mostly documentations and help pages [13:32:03] i mean we can try it [13:49:10] [1/2] oh, nice! mediawiki update! i wonder what ch- [13:49:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204423543358623774/image.png?ex=65d4add5&is=65c238d5&hm=e0649033dcbd140c67679e294751348b10ee8bcd92a4e020eec8120d42d4203f& [13:49:13] yea... it's rewriting time [13:49:56] me who disabled vector 2022 on all wikis: :EpicFaceMH: [13:51:35] some of my users are still getting served vector-2022 in their cache orz [13:51:45] thankfully force refreshing a few times fixes it [13:51:51] I tried doing this on one of my templates, and it's still broken. Not even editing it does anything [13:51:54] https://mothergooselibrary.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Character [13:52:31] it broke my main article template too [13:53:21] [1/2] Try:
/div [13:53:21] [2/2] Put the infobox between this [13:53:40] If it doesn't work, it is the same class problem I have [13:56:49] Can you be more clear on this? As in, replace the "my-infobox-like-component infobox" text with something? I'm having a hard time understanding it. [13:58:58] maybe i should switch to a different theme once i figure out how to force a theme [14:00:57] [1/3] * enable skin in extension [14:00:58] [2/3] * set it as default in additional settings > styling [14:00:58] [3/3] * then go to preferences in additional settings and add vector 2022 in skip skins [14:01:32] this also can be done w/ other hard coded skins, like monobook or timeless [14:02:21] its like trying different types of cuisines [14:04:54] I just love when Wikimedia does this [14:05:24] If you remember the MediaWiki 1.39 update, all wikis were terribly borked for a few hours because Wikimedia pushed out a nice, big update [14:18:42] @agentisai available for image files extractions at WikiTide? [14:25:11] [1/2] I'm getting issues on this one, I've looked around for similar issues here and yeah. Using OperaGx for this one so that might be the problem since when I used Chrome, it went alright. I want it to use it on the former browser instead of the latter so...is there any fix to this? Might not reply immediately since it's night here, I'll check it after I wake up when that happens. [14:25:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204432606561832960/image.png?ex=65d4b646&is=65c24146&hm=dd670526b1da2981debaaf9ffff4270b5a8fb7054c5a1386e3fb2357b52e7697& [14:37:52] [1/2] so what should i do to create wiki [14:37:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204435797525274625/image.png?ex=65d4b93f&is=65c2443f&hm=34e90bb46de261cb53da81ad502a6de0f77dda52c2b972a78d94b9c70fefea61& [14:37:54] does anyone know how I can undo template imports? I imported something from uncyclopedia and my wiki has ruined templates now [14:38:13] can I just delete all template pages and re import the ones I want? [14:38:40] just wait [14:40:04] okay, like next day? [14:40:50] I don't know [14:40:53] it tells you to be patient [14:42:06] i am actually not hurrying, i am just think what if i dot something wrong actually and i should not wait but do something [14:42:56] It's a recurring issue [14:44:47] Hey, how long does it take to request for a wiki? [14:44:54] you can try NukeDPL for mass deletion but I believe it has troubles detecting exactly imported pages [14:44:58] I just submit a request yesterday night [14:45:11] Depends on wc availability [14:45:16] I just wanna delete all templates [14:45:19] there's currently a bug w/ wiki creation process [14:45:26] might take some time [14:45:26] will deleting all templates cause any issues? [14:45:40] Oh is creation down too [14:45:43] well, if you aren't using them yet then no [14:45:48] Oh that’s too bad [14:45:49] cool [14:46:01] Should be announced if wc is fully broke [14:46:12] it seems so, poggle has problems w/ it [14:46:26] too much going on rn [14:46:46] Oh i's the third report or so for that error [14:49:26] WC is working fine. I created a wiki not too long ago. [14:49:42] As I understand it, RequestWiki and CreateWiki are separate processes? [14:52:22] If you mean separate extensions, I wish [14:53:00] But if you mean the actual function of creating wikis, then that is independent of Special:RequestWiki, I think [14:58:51] It's the same extension but RequestWiki is its own process, and yes, unfortunately after the 1.41 it's broken for the time being [15:00:50] what even happened to RequestWiki? [15:05:39] [1/20] ```Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBLanguageError: NULL/absent values for unique key (cw_id) in /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/libs/rdbms/platform/SQLPlatform.php:1850 [15:05:39] [2/20] Stack trace: [15:05:40] [3/20] #0 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/libs/rdbms/platform/SQLPlatform.php(1777): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Platform\SQLPlatform->assertValidUpsertRowArray(Array, Array) [15:05:40] [4/20] #1 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/libs/rdbms/database/DatabaseMySQL.php(539): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Platform\SQLPlatform->normalizeUpsertParams('cw_id', Array) [15:05:40] [5/20] #2 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/libs/rdbms/database/DBConnRef.php(119): Wikimedia\Rdbms\DatabaseMySQL->upsert('cw_requests', Array, 'cw_id', 'Miraheze\\Create...') [15:05:41] [6/20] #3 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/libs/rdbms/database/DBConnRef.php(558): Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef->__call('upsert', Array) [15:05:41] [7/20] #4 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CreateWiki/includes/RequestWiki/WikiRequest.php(326): Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef->upsert('cw_requests', 'Miraheze\\Create...') [15:05:41] [8/20] #5 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CreateWiki/includes/RequestWiki/SpecialRequestWiki.php(203): Miraheze\CreateWiki\RequestWiki\WikiRequest->save() [15:05:41] [9/20] #6 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/htmlform/HTMLForm.php(751): Miraheze\CreateWiki\RequestWiki\SpecialRequestWiki->onSubmit(Array, Object(OOUIHTMLForm)) [15:05:42] [10/20] #7 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/htmlform/HTMLForm.php(631): HTMLForm->trySubmit() [15:05:42] [11/20] #8 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/htmlform/HTMLForm.php(647): HTMLForm->tryAuthorizedSubmit() [15:05:43] [12/20] #9 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/extensions/CreateWiki/includes/RequestWiki/SpecialRequestWiki.php(51): HTMLForm->show() [15:05:43] [13/20] #10 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(727): Miraheze\CreateWiki\RequestWiki\SpecialRequestWiki->execute(NULL) [15:05:46] [14/20] #11 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1621): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run(NULL) [15:05:46] [15/20] #12 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(357): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath('RequestWiki', Object(RequestContext)) [15:05:46] [16/20] #13 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(960): MediaWiki->performRequest() [15:05:46] [17/20] #14 /srv/mediawiki/1.41/includes/MediaWiki.php(613): MediaWiki->main() [15:05:47] [18/20] #15 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(86): MediaWiki->run() [15:05:47] [19/20] #16 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(82): wfIndexMain() [15:05:48] [20/20] #17 {main}``` [15:06:16] :xsob: [15:11:12] [1/2] Is this wiki the same as you guys? [15:11:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204444189627252806/IMG_0141.png?ex=65d4c110&is=65c24c10&hm=b1ba040eb5125502348b5fc99237094551e26f324cb8330634c77921e26a9d76& [15:11:24] no, they're a different company [15:11:47] Really OK [15:12:29] I am still in the process, waiting for the request, and also looking for a hosting for a wiki [15:29:01] [1/2] wat [15:29:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204448671283023904/2024-02-06_18_27_01.png?ex=65d4c53c&is=65c2503c&hm=13978954edec2e69eb1ea37e01df11f4178d4c2e0e48faa8a1236b026f45d033& [15:31:25] Hey, I almost forgot to ask: does your hosting accept image? [15:32:12] yes just don't turn the wiki into place 90% made of images [15:32:50] [[Content Policy]] [15:32:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy [15:32:51] [15:33:56] [1/3] You can peruse some existing wikis hosted on Miraheze to get an idea of what's possible (that's what I did before picking Miraheze as my ideal host): [15:33:57] [2/3] thelonsdalebattalion.co.uk [15:33:57] [3/3] pluspi.miraheze.org [15:35:54] I am browsing through some of them, but all I see is just a bunch of text [15:36:14] depends on a wiki [15:36:18] theme etc [15:36:42] also bear in mind that you should not breach copyrights of files [15:37:45] Yep that is not a problem [15:38:34] Is it possible to make mine to look like Minecraft wiki? [15:38:59] I am still new and learning through this wiki stuff [15:39:06] mostly yea, w/ the aid of CSS and JS [15:39:47] So there is coding involved? [15:40:12] I don’t know how to code that much [15:40:23] [1/3] these are arguably amongst most CSS customized wikis on Mira [15:40:24] [2/3] [15:40:24] [3/3] [15:40:34] if you want it to look like Minecraft wiki, yeah [15:40:50] their theme isn't one that comes out of the box with MediaWiki [15:41:19] I had never visited Pizza Tower [15:41:23] that's one good looking wiki [15:41:30] Wow, these two are really well done [15:41:43] How do I make mine look like that? [15:42:13] Is there a template that I can just drop image and write text? [15:42:35] The pizza tower is really amazing [15:42:49] Some extensive times to learn CSS and modify them for your wiki /j [15:43:46] Timeless really is timeless [15:44:06] [1/4] well, what I said earlier [15:44:06] [2/4] HTML is the basis of any web site, and CSS defines the look of most of not all web sites these days [15:44:06] [3/4] there are plenty of free tutorials online, gotta start w/ basic [15:44:06] [4/4] in case of wiki, CSS modification involves poking around the page code w/ element inspector [15:44:32] ofc you should pick the skin that suits you most first [15:44:37] the layout basis [15:44:51] like those two wikis use Timeless skin [15:45:13] Has the cause of the issue preventing requesting new wikis been identified yet? [15:45:13] Did the login session just resets? [15:45:20] I nicked some layout changes from Inkipedia and @superkirbylover did the rest [15:45:51] yes, some SQL thing [15:46:07] not 1.41 as we thought, just an interesting SQL issue which happened to bubble up just now [15:46:19] I was hoping for drag and drop but I guess not lol [15:46:45] Haha, take it as a challenge to learn a new useful skill. [15:47:24] [1/3] my beloved, really [15:47:24] [2/3] [15:47:24] [3/3] [15:47:35] Tempting to [15:48:03] very nicely themed [15:48:04] I'm on opinion that sooner or later a wiki admin needs to learn HTML/CSS [15:48:32] in the future, introducing 'ready-to-use' skin CSS would be fantastic [15:48:48] all a wiki admin would need to do is pick out hex colors for things like top bars, etc [15:48:48] like w/ theme designer? [15:48:50] Good Lord, this is some very nice stuff [15:48:58] somewhat, yeah [15:49:03] but in the form of CSS [15:49:24] not through a special page (though that'd be nice but too overly complex for everyone in here's paygrade) [15:49:43] But anyways, thank you very much for all your help [15:49:49] I do love the overall layout of timeless for sure [15:50:48] Oh damn I just came here to ask how to make timeless the "standard" skin [15:51:03] Is that possible? [15:51:09] @cosmicalpha [15:51:17] @alensebastaci [15:51:33] the skip skins isn't really related lol [15:52:06] actually I'm dumb lol [15:52:10] Timeless is hard coded [15:52:15] you just go to Styling [15:52:40] Either that, or know a web designer that is willing to do it for them I geuss 😛 [15:55:04] Thank you so much :)) [15:55:28] I'm very new to MediaWiki and very basic stuff takes so long to do for me lmao [15:55:31] [1/2] speaaaking of themes [15:55:32] [2/2] waiting for this [15:56:59] [1/2] we all been here lol [15:56:59] [2/2] Miraheze is pretty unique in how wikis are managed tho, so former Fandom admins get confused often too [16:00:05] does the Math extension send a separate request for every math tag, or does stuff get cached so that tags with identical markup only constitute one request? [16:00:27] it gets cached iirc [16:00:58] [1/2] 1000th edits in Meta! [16:00:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204456713357623368/w.png?ex=65d4ccba&is=65c257ba&hm=319295667f8aea98d6c3804d8e0cc54c3f5371af5a757855fe79439b54da3926& [16:16:32] Hi, I tried to change the default skin of my wiki to Citizen, but when I do so only logged in members get the new default skin, does this have something to do with the fact that the wiki is set to private? [16:18:02] thats me!!!!!!!! [16:18:43] anybody know how to get wiki templates to go the right side of the page (infoboxes, pie charts, etc) [16:18:59] `float: right;` in CSS/styling [16:21:12] wdym CSS/styling [16:22:03] exactly these things lol [16:22:22] depends on what exactly you are working w/ [16:22:56] how it was coded [16:22:56] my bad explain it like im five 😭 [16:23:17] did a bit here [16:25:17] wait so is it like part of the Template: text [16:26:03] link your template [16:27:48] https://geopolitical.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_military_conflict [16:30:07] [1/2] copy this infobox portion to `MediaWiki:Common.css` page on your wiki [16:30:07] [2/2] [16:30:20] this is the CSS code [16:30:48] everything starting w/ `.infobox` defines the look of that template [16:31:07] which you took from Wikipedia, I assume [16:33:03] woah you're a genius [16:33:15] thank you [16:33:53] I'm afraid we need to make the warning on Special:Import more noticeable lol [16:35:06] Nice one!! You quickly can see what works on each skin and what doesn't. [16:37:39] @theoneandonlylegroom I need some consensus if we can mark the in-depth [[Infoboxes]] guide for translation [16:37:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes [16:37:40] [16:38:11] I wanted to update it a bit before slapping translate [16:38:34] I see. It's something actually noticeable useful [16:39:15] feel like some parts need to be expanded more because people get lost w/ fandom PI guide or doesn't seem to notice links in the first place [16:39:24] the notes in references are ignored [16:39:25] etc [16:40:42] it's not about changing the skins, it's just changing CSS code [16:41:35] Ohww... Okay, just had a quick look [16:42:03] wiki.gg offers only one skin, legacy Vector so they aren't hassled w/ styling each skin separately [16:42:21] in fact, maybe something has to be done about it :ThinkerMH: [16:42:37] make it work only w/ skin which is set as default [16:42:51] so things won't break [16:42:55] on other skins [16:44:29] At least if I remember correctly, you can just already slapping it in the page atm, which then you can remark it when the page has some significant updates. [16:46:17] Yet I would still love to wait for the completed version! [16:46:47] extension creates those translate portion markers in the code, and that's the reason I'm really confused w/ general FAQ page [16:47:11] can't move things around, idk how to add something completely new w/o messing up [16:47:43] I'll try this week, now that I'm on sick days again lol [16:48:16] Ah. I don't use this extension much, other than to translating these to Vietnamese lol [16:49:04] same tbh, there's pros and cons in it vs creating separate language version of a wiki [16:50:31] I prouds to be the one who maintain the Cookie Run Kingdom Wiki in Vietnamese [16:51:00] Yet it's sad to says that it's still in Fandom does to limitations on what I can do atm [16:57:13] [1/2] Oh and I got something interesting here: [16:57:14] [2/2] Wikibase.Cloud has implemented [[mw:Extension:QuestyCaptcha]] to their system, by requiring users to answer some certains question before they can complete their action, instead of having them to solve an boring captcha. [16:57:14] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha [16:57:15] [16:58:08] wiki.gg has math instead of captcha lol [16:58:30] lmao ik, but math is also too ez to bypass lol [16:58:33] Can someone tell me why sometimes texts disappearing along with categories and templates? [16:58:34] at least I got it when trying to insert external links [16:58:45] I mean, they exists, but nothing happening. 😐 [16:58:57] can you link? [16:59:36] there seem to be some mishaps w/ cache as of today, several wikis reported different issues [16:59:40] For example this one. [16:59:42] https://blizzard.miraheze.org/wiki/Kategoria:W_budowie [16:59:46] how exactly do I use this? DPL itself says to put something in the extensions directory which I don't know how to access [16:59:56] But I see it even at my private and at other sites. [16:59:58] 😐 [17:00:10] That's strange, right? [17:01:39] [1/3] ignore the "installation" parts in documentations, on Miraheze you just turn extensions on/off via admin panel [17:01:39] [2/3] you need to enables DPL3 extension first, then NukeDPL extension itself [17:01:40] [3/3] then make a query on a special page, lemme find an example [17:01:59] I'll hope on laptop in a bit [17:02:19] OK [17:02:57] the extensions page doesn't have it [17:03:57] templates are kinda breaking [17:04:30] multi image template isn’t working for some reason, the framing disappeared and it’s on the left and not the right [17:05:24] [1/3] Bumping this. Even though Extension:Purge is enabled (as by default) on our wiki, it longer appears in the tools menu since 1.41 upgrade, mobile and desktop both [17:05:25] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204472927966339102/Screenshot_20240206_090420.jpg?ex=65d4dbd4&is=65c266d4&hm=f6a504c4d3d03b6f75abff282f0be2263a6c34a851970643df45b6222c693751& [17:05:25] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204472928218120212/Screenshot_20240206_090451.jpg?ex=65d4dbd4&is=65c266d4&hm=081e2148ff2e4cb1b79d9f5f49b12504c56ef9073c1fd91a9b3d0c9316b865c9& [17:07:33] I think someone said its dev needs to fix it for 1.41 [17:07:51] perhaps [17:08:01] Do you have the `purge` right, by the way? [17:10:35] can confirm 1.41 broke it [17:11:03] URL command works tho? [17:11:18] yes, for me on my wiki at least [17:11:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204474426310135818/image.png?ex=65d4dd39&is=65c26839&hm=409eb288a26dc3ad8ab2edd4765c5fe47c56ef615b4c1fe7c6cdfc433931deda& [17:11:51] I'm an admin so I should? I don't see it though when I go to "View this wiki's permissions" [17:12:11] It's a new right introduced in MediaWiki 1.41 [17:12:14] so you might not [17:12:33] damn [17:12:35] why [17:12:48] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [17:12:55] something something wikimedia [17:13:00] lol [17:13:08] [1/2] Works when I add it to the url [17:13:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204474873452433420/Screenshot_20240206_091245.jpg?ex=65d4dda3&is=65c268a3&hm=ba313c612f8ecad2200c723c546065956e8b89be9ea1294eb66b443c6b561108& [17:13:25] also Agent, I can't find DynamicPageList3 and NukeDPL on wikis too [17:13:32] Should I download my wiki's images myself or let the SREs take cares of it for me? [17:13:42] Didn't a dump get created already? [17:14:18] [1/2] big fails momento [17:14:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204475169075241000/w.png?ex=65d4ddea&is=65c268ea&hm=8e04a91063dc14e67790197005de98bf30d0759e0b85fce49ece0bea83e8c241& [17:14:30] [[Extensions]] still lists them as normal [17:14:30] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extensions [17:14:30] [17:14:38] oh, hmm [17:14:41] I'll check [17:14:47] yeah that's the first place I checked [17:14:50] it's not in ManageWiki/extensions? [17:14:53] nope [17:15:06] maybe your wiki is just very small [17:15:08] doesn't show on search, nor on manual scroll [17:16:53] lol [17:17:04] yes the extension uses https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinTemplateNavigation [17:17:11] needs to be replaced with the alternative [17:17:17] oh [17:17:46] uses https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinTemplateNavigation::Universal so should work [17:18:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204476144003325962/H.png?ex=65d4ded2&is=65c269d2&hm=e9c53a7403f3ceb0bf3c62c82d26075734303bc354dd4be9dd6e8383a1f3380b& [17:20:01] [1/2] I don't understand the issue, sorry, can you explain more? [17:20:01] [2/2] you linked an non-existent Category page [17:25:32] That's the problem. [17:25:45] It exists and it shows as non-existent. [17:27:09] there's no logs and history and purge doesn't fix anything :ThinkerMH: [17:27:19] but you created it? [17:27:21] before [17:28:26] should I just start manually deleting stuff in the meantime? [17:29:13] there's also AutoWikiBrowser program, the process would be semi automatic, and pywikibot, but I never used it [17:29:40] but personally, I've been deleting loads of pages manually already lol [17:29:45] That's probably what he is saying. There should be a cat, but it's now non existant [17:29:48] so don't see a problem w/ it [17:31:36] [1/2] problem is there's a lot of templates to delete [17:31:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204479520237944943/image.png?ex=65d4e1f7&is=65c26cf7&hm=45443519c39ed3914d1a205997cde4bc6b4f1960a0361a6d7e5377c22037ed67& [17:31:39] [1/4] can you check the page now? [17:31:39] [2/4] I found it in Special:AllPages and after clicling on it from there, it appeared [17:31:39] [3/4] but when I try to access directly it's nothing :ThinkerMH: [17:31:40] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204479530899738724/2024-02-06_20_31_18.png?ex=65d4e1fa&is=65c26cfa&hm=33fd5001575c032f60cd1d5029fca6e6bf7ba98ffc36fde41676550d3da6ee04& [17:32:24] polska 🇵🇱🇵🇱💪🇵🇱💪🇵🇱 [17:32:25] @plopilpy Too many emojis. [17:32:43] [1/2] I suggest to make a phab task @miziol7 [17:32:44] [2/2] you can try by yourself [17:33:33] you can link my discord message in it [17:33:41] should I also make a phab task requesting a mass delete of all templates? or should I ask for the DPL extension? [17:34:07] Man, I created it 2! YEARS! AGO!!! [17:34:15] Tak, a co? 😛 [17:34:23] if your wiki is like super new/blank you can request a reset, but I can't remeber where it's done [17:34:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204480296289046608/image.png?ex=65d4e2b0&is=65c26db0&hm=cade6fb07a7d0d89d4912c6c57dd203601661e0e3b8aeb3a28d0d465d173db02& [17:34:44] Refreshing page now! [17:34:54] ja jestem kanadyjski [17:34:55] Nothing. [17:35:05] Oh! I see. [17:35:06] moje ojciec jest polsku [17:35:14] make a task w/ this ^ [17:35:28] moje polski nie bardzo dobry [17:35:46] [1/2] OK, returned. [17:35:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204480568331608064/image.png?ex=65d4e2f1&is=65c26df1&hm=6b517a362e3ac855752e8b7921fa3dcc82c9b689e2f1567242e51724f8a961a6& [17:35:54] It seems refreshing page did enough. [17:36:03] cache issue then [17:36:04] But why it's happening? Dunno. [17:36:30] Mira updated to 1.41, a lot of broken stuff was reported today [17:36:48] in fact we keep getting more reports [17:36:57] nah I have some content there I don't wanna lose [17:37:23] I guess manually deleting 153 templates it is... [17:37:36] I suppose SRE can wipe an entire namespace and you can ask in Phab [17:37:55] could I ask for DPL to be installed? [17:38:21] DPL exists but for some reason doesn't show up in ManageWiki, Agent said he'll look [17:39:06] Oh, I see, @theoneandonlylegroom. [17:41:30] I can see them now [17:41:54] DynamicPageList3 in Parser hooks tab [17:42:05] NukeDPL in Special pages [17:42:06] ah there it is [17:42:26] tysm! [17:42:38] np [17:43:43] [1/2] the query would be [17:43:43] [2/2] `namespace = 10` [17:44:45] [1/2] if you also need to delete Module: pages then [17:44:45] [2/2] `namespace = 828` (I believe) [17:46:01] [1/2] Forget WikiTeam, I got something that helps with the dumps: [17:46:01] [2/2] https://canary.discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1124724476672741406 [17:46:39] non of python scripts work for me, and node.js one stopped working too lol [17:46:52] guess I'll have to do shit manually on another migration [17:47:35] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204483543699427408/image.png?ex=65d4e5b7&is=65c270b7&hm=b0e8dc4c00e184b14def9e85a54994d10d54895da66e17edbdcedc1dd51354f8& [17:47:50] :ThinkerMH: [17:49:02] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Edit_Recovery [17:49:05] cool new feature [17:49:44] so basically quick drafts? [17:49:51] sort of, yeah [17:50:16] also can SRE wipe all pages in a namespace? [17:50:30] can the DPL problems won't end lol [17:50:55] we can, yes [17:51:04] I think there's a nukeNamespace script or something [17:51:13] @plopilpy [17:51:25] yeah? [17:51:33] do you need my wiki? [17:52:02] https://patrykstan.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=&namespace=10 [17:52:50] @agentisai or phab task? [17:55:11] And btw, Reception recommended me to nuke my entire wiki atm lol [17:57:59] [1/2] I see this on roughly half of the pages [17:57:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204486159028195418/image.png?ex=65d4e826&is=65c27326&hm=e53e8ae548266391af24c9fe0de6cc51dff5acc83b43e8a6452ac0cf2fcb021b& [18:00:57] is this a question to me or a question to agent 😅 [18:01:17] to agent [18:01:39] what are you trying ot do? [18:02:35] nothing, that's the normal page [18:03:28] create a , list your wiki, examples of page and copy error message ofc [18:03:38] please paste the error message here [18:03:50] would be best, so that I can verify identity [18:05:24] [1/2] > [90a788c5fa9bc7f7f3f7084c] 2024-02-06 18:04:23: Fatal exception of type "TypeError" [18:05:25] [2/2] this or something else? the string at the start is random each time I load the page [18:06:41] please make a task here , login w/ MediaWiki button [18:12:46] maniphest, right? [18:13:47] you can try the link I sent before [18:13:54] ^ [18:13:55] sorry [18:15:14] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T11803 [18:22:40] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T11803 [18:46:23] is that good enough? [18:47:53] can someone try requesting a wiki? [18:48:04] OrangeStar has made a patch which seems to fix this [18:48:07] I'm on it [18:48:38] Fixed! [18:48:58] Awesome! [18:49:02] ez pz lmn sqzy [18:49:04] will deploy an announcement [18:49:30] Thanks for fixing, and for all the support. [18:50:26] so interesting that MW 1.41 has uncovered some longstanding silent bugs [18:50:38] like the login issue yesterday [18:50:42] or bad upsert today [18:50:50] upsert has been bad always [18:50:55] that was a ticking time bomb [18:51:03] @p0ggl try to request a wiki [18:51:06] CW might be a whole ticking timebomb [18:51:16] reject CW, create wikis manually [18:53:35] [1/2] Now i see this. Where can i confirm email? [18:53:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204500150693920829/image.png?ex=65d4f52e&is=65c2802e&hm=1b100421965701006e86eaf0713baae9b7b6c4f2b1c9a288bcde1c271e99a2fb& [18:53:51] oh [18:54:00] I see [18:54:06] go to [[Special:Preferences]] [18:54:06] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Preferences [18:54:07] i found [18:54:07] [18:54:21] i18n needs fixing [18:55:10] before 2024 I didn't know what is i18n, now most of problems are around it lol [18:55:23] when in doubt, blame i18n [18:55:26] or wikimedia [18:55:50] Thanks. Now it works! Request is under review [18:55:56] Great! [18:56:05] :Partyheze: [18:56:29] Just dumped my images. Going to sort them out soon + adding some new one to the dump [18:56:41] Going to sleep now. [18:56:52] gn [18:57:00] I'll head out soon too [18:57:44] can you link? [18:57:50] or it's resolved? [19:15:26] my wiki is down but here’s an example for when it’s up [19:15:28] https://oblasia.miraheze.org/wiki/Uyuball [19:16:11] ah maintenance [19:18:07] Yes some wikis may be inaccessible while one of our cloud servers is down for maintenance [19:18:10] that page is kinda embarrassing anyway cause i suck at making fictional sports [19:45:53] Is it normal that certain files aren't loading on my wiki rn? [19:50:20] yes, while maintenance goes on [19:50:22] sorry about that [19:53:38] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204515263186215003/image0.jpg?ex=65d50341&is=65c28e41&hm=6d0f61e621464dcae0c8c3310c39ca66b4d11171367e45eae58b4111386762b5& [19:54:00] yes, see #announcements [19:54:15] oh [19:54:23] well that's awkward [19:54:29] Hallo! What is the meaning of the `miraheze-errorpages-wiki-directory` message in the Miraheze ErrorPages extension? The message text is just "Directory", and there's no qqq documentation. [19:54:29] the machine has been online for 20 minutes [19:55:22] It's supposed to refer to [[Special:WikiDiscover]] which is a wiki directory [19:55:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:WikiDiscover [19:55:22] [19:56:52] Ack, thanks. Now that I look at that page, I see another message issue there: "⧼Minerva-page-actions-user-groups⧽" is shown at the top. Probably a message that wasn't defined in en.json? [19:57:22] Also, where does this message appear? [19:58:07] On "Wiki not found" and "Wiki deleted" pages. So for example, https://thiswikidoesnotexist.miraheze.org and https://altverse.miraheze.org (this wiki did exist, at one point). [20:00:05] Great, thanks [20:01:23] Thank you for all your work! [20:01:47] Thanks, it works again [20:02:39] I tried to import a page from Wikipedia because I wanted to try something, didn't realise I imported 250 modules and templates; then had to delete them by hand. Was super worried I did something wrong lmao [20:03:24] (tl;dr: I am an idiot) [20:03:28] agent please make import warning in big bold red letters lol [20:03:39] I'll do you one better [20:03:53] what if I disable it entirely :trollgod: [20:04:01] gasp [20:05:23] [1/2] I mean, it rarely works w/o going into time out? n [20:05:24] [2/2] but then you'll probably get more small imports in RequestImportDump [20:06:12] if RequestImportDump were fully automated, maybe we could even do it lol [20:06:30] but since it requires someone to be at the shell, running commands, it takes time [20:10:37] sometimes we even get KB XMLs in RequestImportDump [20:12:20] little note: I restarted cloud18 to apply a BIOS change to move the CPU clock speed up to 4Ghz as it had been reset to 3Ghz [20:12:21] 👀 [20:12:23] it's been a while [20:12:28] oh hello [20:12:32] what I'm also hoping is that we can add a "cloud URL" feature where people can just provide links to their Drive, Dropbox, MegaNZ or whatever files [20:12:36] hello friends [20:12:42] hi Lake, welcome back! [20:12:49] _forgot when he last saw lake_ [20:13:17] [1/3] hehe [20:13:18] [2/3] sorry about this [20:13:18] [3/3] I'm on college now, and I couldn't keep up much with things on Miraheze and WikiTide [20:13:40] this describes a sizeable portion of the current userbase [20:14:36] TL;DR things are quite good now! good finances and more volunteers [20:15:23] thats awesome [20:17:12] [1/2] Obligatory [20:17:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204521197069672448/makesweet-n3dj1v.gif?ex=65d508c8&is=65c293c8&hm=9e735d59d110b19769a79c0b953ce13a8b798dde25b5420768507afcc421409f& [20:17:30] [1/3] it's funny because I found Miraheze in 2019, then started messing with MediaWiki templates, then went into JS and Lua [20:17:30] [2/3] and now I'm doing CS on my city's University [20:17:30] [3/3] and I don't think I would have been there if I did not found Miraheze by accident in some deleted Wikipedia page, lol [20:17:50] wow, that's a nice story [20:17:54] :salute: [20:18:09] maaan [20:18:10] I wonder how many people's lives have been affected touched by Miraheze [20:18:52] A lot of coincidences or unusual events have brought Miraheze to where it is. Devastating as it was, even the COVID pandemic gave people who were busy IRL the opportunity to volunteer more and discover that part of Miraheze [20:19:26] [1/2] yeah I remember like, for some reason I had some motivation to make a version of Bulbapedia in my native language, then I went to search how to do it (I didn't knew much back then) [20:19:26] [2/2] then I landed in some page on Wikipedia listing some wiki hosts [20:19:33] obviously I knew Fandom but I already hated it [20:19:36] oh, remember how I boasted about music journalist reaching out to me via wiki?.. well, I think he expected an elder person who was there in da 80s so I won't appear in the book lol [20:19:47] When you work on stuff you forget that there's 200k people reading articles on MH daily [20:20:08] my first wiki attempt was very fringe, but well, that was a start [20:20:17] Dang [20:20:17] I can't believe next year is MH's 10 year anniversary [20:21:05] Jimbo Christ [20:21:33] wow [20:21:40] 9 month anniversary soon! [20:21:57] If people heard how many (unpaid!) people there were in SRE compared to those visits I'm sure they'd be surprised [20:22:05] I really don't know if there's any website out there that's this big and run by volunteers [20:22:10] I wonder how many MediaWiki upgrades we've done [20:22:19] Yes [20:22:34] I think back when it started where we still on 1.2x [20:22:37] What month was Miraheze founded in also this slow mode hurts [20:22:50] July? [20:22:58] We use July 2015 but it only became available to the public in August [20:22:58] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T117 [20:23:02] 1.26 was our first upgrade [20:23:06] so our first version was 1.25 [20:23:22] scary [20:23:22] back then I wasn't even SRE, that was fun 😄 [20:23:35] what fandom was on before that huge unification update? [20:23:49] I think 29? [20:23:51] I wonder when Fandom started noticing us [20:24:06] I'm sure we used to be seen as a niche idealistic project back in 2015-2017 [20:24:11] 1.19 [20:24:11] They didn’t notice us they noticed people leaving to us lol [20:24:19] I think 1.19 was Orain's first version [20:24:38] :trex: [20:24:52] 2012 is indeed a long time ago [20:25:28] Something like that :Danklaugh: [20:25:31] how I discovered Miraheze - in comments when FandomDesktop happened, someone said "you'll see people start leaving for Miraheze" and the that tupka guy replied something along the lines of "Miraheze has horrible support", and started looking up [20:25:55] tbf they probably weren't wrong about the support part [20:25:59] oh yes, I remember him well [20:26:01] back then especially we had even less volunteers than now [20:26:04] He was the og mega Fandom shill [20:26:14] but I believe he eventually grew tired of Fandom last I saw? [20:26:18] in 2021? it didn't seem so to me [20:26:29] oh really? [20:26:36] I think Tupka left fandom for the most part, at least from what I can see [20:26:36] Fandom has even less support. In fact, they seem to work to antagonize you. [20:26:52] He used to be a Helper and I haven't seen him around since that group was retired [20:27:08] I was in a server for a minecraft mod thing and the dev said hey guys wanna make a wiki? And the options were fandom and Miraheze(I had never heard of). I think I was more pro fandom cause I was familiar but he made it in Miraheze and I said oh well [20:27:13] I think our main weak spot in support is investigating bugs, as there's a lot of them and sometimes it's really not that easy to figure them out [20:27:29] if you look at the issue tracker now most open tasks are bugs [20:27:32] Silly past pixl :sillycat: [20:27:50] maybe for our 10 year anniversary we can finally get a wikipedia page [20:28:11] Rest assured that Miraheze is doing much better than Fandom. On Fandom, there are bugs that they simply haven't bothered to fix because they see them as features instead. [20:28:15] if we didn't have so many extensions, I think our workload would decrease quite a lot [20:28:25] 95% of bugs are just 3rd party extensions [20:28:29] or CentralAuth [20:28:35] a lot of wikis are migrating off Fandom [20:28:56] like Minecraft wiki (though they went to wiki.gg) [20:28:59] most stuff in RequestImportDump is indeed Fandom wikis [20:29:04] and Zelda Wiki went completely indepdendent [20:29:12] MC Wiki went with Runescape Wiki's host, no? [20:29:14] The lead guy for my wiki found an issue with the infobox builder that allowed blocked users to edit the wiki. Wait no edit protected pages mb [20:29:24] oh yeah, I got confused, lol [20:29:39] Terraria wiki is the one that went to wiki.gg [20:29:48] went/created* [20:29:50] I was supposed to test if it worked with blocked users but goofed so will never know ig [20:30:08] Womp womp [20:30:12] well if support is that bad at Fandom then their main 'asset' I guess is name recongition [20:30:22] for some reason I thought they were good at support [20:30:52] their SEO is certainly their strongest asset but you have to remember, they have a whole department dedicated to SEO [20:31:25] They hold roundtables for Fandom Stars but they ostensibly never listen to anything we say, despite how stars are meant to be the ones to voice their thoughts and have changes occur as a result [20:31:26] Yeah, I mean they do have paid staff for everything while we're just a few volunteers here [20:31:27] Fandom's main assets are simply SEO, longevity, and resources. [20:31:32] They probably have more SEO people than we have people [20:31:39] lol [20:31:45] They've been around for a long time, invest heavily in SEO, and have more resources at their disposal. [20:31:50] even so, clearly their service is less attractive than MH to many [20:31:51] And lock in [20:31:59] though I guess it is hard to find out about MH sometimes [20:32:17] and if you're not sure if you can trust it some people probably think they're better off staying at Fandom [20:32:18] They also try to make it seem more appealing to new wiki users [20:32:25] Miraheze as a name isn't very telling of what we offer [20:32:35] [1/2] well [20:32:36] [2/2] nowadays I work mostly with webdev, and dealing with SEO is a pain [20:32:38] Lack of support is of no concern to them, especially now that they're branching out away from wiki-hosting and into the wondrous world of being a third-rate "fandom" site with garbage articles on pop culture. [20:32:46] NeoWikia™️ [20:32:50] a big issue is that Fandom seems likes its basically trying to be half social media, half wiki [20:32:53] and it doesnt really work [20:33:13] that whole social media attempt really bogs down the entire experience [20:33:26] you have some wikis where many users just use Discussions and are terrible at wiki editing [20:34:03] and it does feel like Discussions tends to attract a lot of... interesting users [20:34:06] mainly kids [20:34:21] The quality of the average Fandom wiki is so low that even I reject it when looking for actual information. [20:34:27] there are some wikis you know are basically filled with kids and almost nobody else [20:34:39] No consistency, no manual of style, not even any proper or coherent grammar. [20:35:01] [1/2] still think about this [20:35:01] [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/615786602454581249/1176239566517186651 [20:35:56] if I had Internet when I was a teen I'd probably too would try to make a wiki for fun [20:36:25] H u h [20:36:29] but I guess I'd somehow still manage to make it organised [20:37:57] Do they still AF minecraft.wiki? [20:39:27] I need to kick myself to finish another migration, so I can finally slap links on main pages of two wikis and not care anymore about getting blocked lol [20:39:58] Wow. Interesting [20:40:31] pcj is apparently blocked for too many forks lol [20:40:50] oh really? [20:41:16] I just checked the fandom discord. Apparently, you’re supposed to not link to Wikipedia if there’s a fandom wiki for it! Of course yes yes! Why link to the Wikipedia page on Wales when you can link to the fandom countries wiki on wales! [20:41:31] bruh [20:41:43] I always slapped Wikipedia links [20:41:59] especially in ru versions [20:42:03] I don’t like to be one of those people constantly shut talking fandom. But come on guys you made it really difficult [20:42:56] oh yes because then "you show Google that Wikipedia is a more reliable source than your wiki because you link to it" [20:43:02] I remember that SEO talk [20:43:15] sigh [20:43:29] Which is completely true [20:43:50] True squared [20:44:16] [1/2] Graphs that Fandom publishes are meaningless. I remember when they changed their domain name from wikia.com to fandom.com, they published this graph to claim that fandom.com was getting more traffic. [20:44:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204528007037980692/Screenshot_2024-02-06_at_3.43.25_PM.png?ex=65d50f1f&is=65c29a1f&hm=4e75f6b41f1fa892d4e1bf3bddff7dedd8fb0ae29e84eaaecafb4dfe54c88fe4& [20:45:07] That's a bit like celebrating about how the number of customer complains you get per week has gone down to zero after you closed down the customer complains department. [20:45:46] Good tactics for budget cuts [20:54:23] im late but regarding the FANDOM discussion and the demographic FANDOM attracts.. i have never experienced such a worse vandalism problem than on FANDOM >__>;; [20:54:56] it attracts a lot of young folk who really do not appreciate the time and effort managing a wiki takes, and they think its just a funny haha to write dumb stuff all over the place, or to sneak a little joke into an article [20:55:12] but its just another chore for wiki staff and i kind of hope the inherent more-complexity of miraheze stops people from doing that so freely [20:56:14] Mm, blatant vandalism is just as easy I think. And while the complexity may drive away bad faith editors it also dissuades good faith ones [20:56:26] i cant tell you how many times i've seen kids sneak "jokes" into pages when editing on fandom [20:56:32] it is very exhausting [20:56:33] The latter more so possibly [20:56:39] yeah, thats the trouble. i try my hardest to encourage our good faith authors though, the official server for the game (who the wiki is official for) has its own channel dedicated to wiki work [20:57:03] Official endorsement always a plus [20:57:04] it drives me crazy, they think its funny but its just more time i have to waste cleaning it up instead of actually working on the wiki for them to consume, it doesnt make any sense [20:57:10] yeah, we're so lucky in that aspect [20:58:21] [1/3] we had one insanely annoying case of vandalism - while i was cleaning up the FANDOM wiki to prepare for our migration, i stumbled across a really bizarre page someone made somewhere in the Talk: namespace that was basically a very nonsensical longform joke about the source material. it was funny and unexpected, and one of the games contributors made a silly video voice acting [20:58:22] [2/3] it before we deleted it, just to preserve a funny moment [20:58:22] [3/3] ... kids do not understand the concept of beating a dead horse, though, and have recreated the same stupid article, word for word, about 6 times now [20:58:48] it was funny BECAUSE it was unexpected and was just sitting there for months before we found it, but after that its not funny anymore 😭 please [20:59:09] and unfortunately it did attract copycats, hoping maybe theyd get a moment in the spotlight [20:59:55] I’d say try page creation protection but change a letter and it works [21:00:09] yeahhh, i think we protected the exact page its 'meant' to be on but you can then just make it anything [21:00:28] at the moment for miraheze our current policy is 'if you vandalize, you get banned immediately, and you have to come ask us in person for an unban and we will determine if youve learnt your lesson or not' which is a pretty draconian way of handling it, but teenagers are really bad at nuance and its best just to get straight to consequences sometimes [21:00:46] As a teenager myself I can confirm [21:00:49] hahaha [21:01:10] i was the same when i was a teen so i cant blame yall, but as a growing-older wiki admin i have to lay down the law somewhere [21:01:37] https://youtube.com/watch?v=nZYxwwWVC1w [21:01:51] LORD [21:01:55] this was done before migration [21:02:21] we're suffering more vandalism on the fandom wiki since we migrated and its just nightmarish [21:02:31] we cant lock pages, we cant close discussions, we cant do anything lest we piss off fandom and they just take the wiki away from us [21:02:44] Wdym you can’t lock pages [21:02:46] let it roll like Calamity mod wiki lol [21:02:48] like, you cant mass lock [21:03:04] all the main pages were already locked anyway but its against the forking policy to basically do anything to 'sabotage' or 'freeze' the wiki [21:03:17] I didn’t know FANDOM had a Discord! [21:03:27] tbh this is probs what we're gonna do, in a twisted sense i kind of want the fandom wiki to become unreliable and ..garbage [21:04:04] [1/2] a staff member will come and revert the lock after some time [21:04:04] [2/2] and would you be surprised that staff decided to look after the wiki nearly in 2 weeks after migration announcement [21:04:06] i think that’s fair honestly. i get not giving second chances easily for vandalizing someone’s hard work [21:04:52] yeah, im totally open if someone genuinely made one dumb decision and apologizes and expresses they want to help, im cool with second chances in those cases. but as my bureaucrat put it - if theyre willing to write dumb crap on the wiki in the first place, they were probably never going to be a serious editor [21:05:22] and yeah, the forking policy is really... bananas. youre technically not supposed to be admins of both the FANDOM and your chosen fork, youre supposed to appoint new admins to take over FANDOM and remove your affilitation entirely like pfft. no. im not doing that [21:05:35] youre also ~supposed~ to let community members vote on the fork to begin with [21:06:00] I went onto the FANDOM discord to see what people were saying about them, but you need to verify your FANDOM account to even view any channels. [21:06:09] you cant catch me alive [21:06:17] Do image previews work for user pages? [21:06:47] when they rolled out discord accounts linking I immediately went "nope" [21:06:59] not doing this shit thanks [21:07:15] You mean needing a FANDOM account to even view the Discord? [21:07:23] mostly because I couldn't bother to make a second account tho [21:07:27] fandom's forking policy is so insidious, iirc it used to be a lot more open but the second that one big youtube vid came out and everyone started migrating, they slammed down the iron fist and its extremely strict, so my plan is just to Not tip them off that we moved [21:07:48] no, on fandom user pages [21:08:17] wdym? [21:08:51] am I able get the article count on "totaltenniswiki" refreshed, just so I can check if I definitely have everything? [21:09:04] [1/2] User pages are the only ones that don't show any image preview [21:09:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204534248405475368/image-10.png?ex=65d514ef&is=65c29fef&hm=66cea5678f167bc0010736f62bd60f3221e981172f33ca353ae0c11c4d5856e2& [21:09:18] [1/2] Their logo looks like a flaming heart! Very accurate, isn’t it? [21:09:18] [2/2] They even got rid of the “Fan Lab”. [21:09:20] I wouldn’t call it linking tbh [21:09:31] ah, but do they have images on those pages? [21:09:38] Yep [21:09:59] In and out of portable infoboxes so I know that's not the issue [21:10:19] Why is FANDOM trying to stop independent wikis from happening? [21:10:47] Wiki not on fandom [21:11:05] Wiki no make big advertisement bucks [21:11:53] They can’t, Creative Commons License ftw [21:12:11] but seo team big [21:12:31] Anyone notice that FANDOM’s logo is literally a flaming heart? Pretty accurate, isn’t it? [21:12:36] But they can sure as hell censor it! [21:12:53] I think we are getting offtopic now [21:13:15] Possibly [21:13:15] yeah what we were talking about is the incredible migration of ducks :nffsUp: lets get back on topic [21:13:19] it started as comparison w/ Miraheze [21:13:52] [1/2] Sorry! Others were talking about FANDOM first. [21:13:52] [2/2] But does anyone notice their logo? It’s literally a heart on fire. Pretty accurate for their current business model. [21:15:10] fandom is ironically like the antithesis of non-profit community-driven wikis but i digress [21:19:56] in good news, woff2 works on miraheze! [21:24:18] those are previews from search bar? [21:26:29] Correct [21:26:42] None of ours work [21:27:20] Ive never looked at user pages on any other wiki so I'm not sure if there's an issue on our end or they just aren't compatible with user pages [21:36:18] <.labster, replying to clindbartographer> I think you misunderstand, Stars are there to look like corporate wants to listen to the community, not to actually listen. [21:38:25] as I have learned in my time as a star [21:39:28] <.labster> Hey, now that cloud18 has been rechastized, will it finally behave itself? [21:40:44] <.labster> It's a really common corporate pattern. My father did some similar time on a workers feedback board of some sort, it's really just there to look like you don't need a union, not to actually take recommendations. [21:41:06] would it be possible to generate a list of extensions in use and see if there are some that are simply either not used or used by wikis that don't actually put them to use even when enabled? [21:41:37] the list always did strike me as possibly just a bit too long [21:41:37] dark mode [21:41:39] <.labster, replying to raidarr> The first is much easier than the second [21:41:49] the first basically leads to manual checkups on the second [21:42:09] might be an insight on the spot but actually seeing the utilization would be important [21:42:16] I've seen wikis just enable crap for no apparent reason [21:42:31] infamously when looking at old reception wikis earlier on [21:42:47] a few folks would just enable all sorts of stuff and call it a day... [21:43:03] <.labster> I think that's always a temptation when you think it's zero cost and "might be useful." [21:43:15] dark mode's pretty blegh but I'll tell you what, how many nostalgic/no use skins are we sitting on [21:43:26] cologne blue is the only one I know of with any real traction [21:43:40] who uses modern, there's a couple in that category [21:43:53] <.labster> Skin use might be doable, but you have to look at user tables to see if its used by any users. [21:43:54] then some offbrand ones that iirc worked sort of™ [21:44:06] yes, hard data would need to be collected [21:44:10] but it might merit the collecting [21:44:42] <.labster> Yeah, sounds like a few hours for me, if someone gives me SQL access. [21:44:45] nonwithstanding the occasionally dreadful documentation involved, meta has always stood to offer a bit more information on the uses of various extensions beyond the original mw page [21:45:02] but that's busywork that I doubt anyone would be jumping to do, I didn't even when I was last on about it [21:45:31] still interested in doing a full review of every skin and making a blog/essay or something of it [21:45:36] <.labster> It is work that we should do, though [21:45:56] <.labster, replying to raidarr> This would be amazing [21:46:14] wee indisposed at the moment but it is on my bucket list one day maybe [21:47:34] Suggestion for each category: looks, functionality, and mobile friendliness [21:47:55] I know I made a very rough skeleton at one point and those were the key stats in mind [21:48:22] screenshot, rating it in various aspects, plus notes on extension compatibility and how to do basic stuff that varies from skin to skin [21:49:14] ordered roughy in groups from 'common/recommended' to 'could be interesting' to 'don't use pls [21:49:39] can miraheze/mw not parse the `:has` selector? [21:50:04] <.labster, replying to tedkalashnikov> where would Miraheze do this? Browsers parse CSS. [21:50:22] im not sure, ive had issues on other sites before where they didnt support speciifc ruling/selectors but i admit i dont know much [21:51:25] [1/4] im trying to select anonnotice and sitenotice seperate to eachother, but for instance, this: [21:51:26] [2/4] `.mw-dismissable-notice:has(#siteNotice)` [21:51:26] [3/4] just gives me 'expected RPAREN at [line]' [21:51:26] [4/4] i feel like im missing something obvious here [21:52:05] <.labster> I've always thought that Miraheze doesn't do much for, I guess I'll call it "community support". Like we aren't proactively trying to improve SEO that much, don't promote wikis inside the community at all, only pay attention to wikis when they become a problem, and don't provide a lot of advice on running a community. [21:52:40] the recent featured wikis proposal might be the first step [21:52:54] there's gazetteer of wikis but ... yeah ... [21:53:10] <.labster, replying to tedkalashnikov> I tend to just ignore errors by the CSS highlighter page in Mediawiki. Just click save. [21:53:11] Oh? [21:53:24] we discussed [21:53:26] ah, i did, but its not selecting as i expected it to [21:53:32] w/ miraheze home page [21:54:00] to be honest, mw-dismissable-notice isnt a problem since its only used for the sitenotice, its the anonnotice im having issue seperating [21:54:09] also from my experience, restyling site notice is quite pain in the ass [21:54:15] <.labster> Was that my suggestion, or did someone beat me to the featured wiki proposal? [21:54:19] yeah, ive been going slightly insane trying to get it to work HAHA [21:54:26] it worked fine until i introduced anonnotice and wanted to style that different [21:54:35] for some reason the two arent like.. consistent? [21:55:19] [1/3] but basically, i want to select the div id 'localNotice' without affecting mw-dismissable-notice, so i have to be able to tell its got the child class 'anonnotice' [21:55:20] [2/3] im not sure how to do that, this is probably the limit of my css ability [21:55:20] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204545889360674917/image.png?ex=65d51fc7&is=65c2aac7&hm=bdb1ad9b2ebdcda760bf7122d8076447d7a9c4c106d695ca332dc077f0dafebc& [21:55:21] <.labster> We need to actually work on the Gazetteer. Oh, and I'm thinking of automatically locking for inactivity wikis that don't have a description set in ManageWiki (so it's blank on WikiDiscover) [21:58:01] i wonder if `#localNotice:has(> .anonnotice)` is what i want [21:58:04] How exactly would that work? [21:58:18] Shoot, we don't 😆 [22:00:54] we don't have a wiki description? [22:01:38] we dont either LOL i just wrote one into SEO [22:02:05] Quick question: I made some edits on my wiki a few days ago but visiting it today, it says it’s closed? Trying to log in on a different browser to check on if it’s just some kind of glitch but just getting a database error now. [22:02:46] description is relatively recent feature, a lot of people aren't aware of it [22:03:30] Also unchecked “closed” in managewiki but it’s just giving me a display error on every page. [22:04:08] doesn't sound like normal behaviour [22:04:33] I am on mobile rn so will try again on a desktop once im home [22:04:47] but I can suggest anything but make a task or @ someone [22:04:57] aight imma go sleep [22:05:00] tired [22:05:15] Might try making a support topic if it persists I suppose [22:05:58] What error [22:11:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204550003708923906/IMG_9177.png?ex=65d5239c&is=65c2ae9c&hm=9d858bdbd118fff47477935adc98a7e78e3d5b720928d41c9319c40561ec4d71& [22:12:09] I do have one phabricator request for a theme install but other than that not messing with anything on my end [22:24:34] not that yet [22:44:35] 🥱 [22:47:22] Please stop posting that emoji in random channels [22:47:37] Mb. I didn't mean for it to be random. [22:48:15] it's very contagious [22:54:15] Has anyone else who uses the Dark Mode theme suddenly have it... not work? [23:32:50] [1/2] is anyone else having this issue [23:32:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1204570429105111090/bruh.png?ex=65d536a2&is=65c2c1a2&hm=6b8a4e64cdfa2821fa405ee3552c19de372458fd9f020d89b2d70d4d856ab719& [23:33:06] i had just finished an edit and then it just showed this [23:33:28] I got this on the wiki request queue, which is really odd [23:33:30] I am also getting the wiki not found error [23:33:42] blame @cosmicalpha \:P [23:33:52] Yeah blame me lol [23:33:55] I am fixing [23:34:00] worlds best SREs [23:34:14] actually, it's ManageWiki's cache tbf [23:34:22] it doesn't regenerate as it should [23:34:37] also getting this error [23:34:38] ManageWiki wont regenerate database cache on 4 of our servers [23:34:52] After I tried resetting it [23:35:06] try running resetWikiCaches on those servers through salt or something [23:35:27] Running any script fixes it [23:35:34] great [23:36:38] I'm just running eval.php to fix on each server [23:38:05] looks like mine is working again [23:38:09] Should be fixed if I didn't miss any server... [23:38:51] i'm having no issues [23:43:05] mine seems to be working again [23:43:18] I appreciate the tech folks. Must be frustrating, the issues with the new servers, WM 1.41, and figuring out the best fixes. Seems like it's been a bit whack-a-mole that last couple days. [23:45:08] Well we appreciate all of y'all's patience as well. [23:52:33] How does one step down from the Bureaucrat role? My group's already appointed a second bureaucrat to take my place, but I can't seem to demote myself to admin