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{{{title|}}}/p [13:16:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7btitle [13:16:48] [5/9] {{{count|}}}/span [13:16:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bcount [13:16:48] [6/9] /span [13:16:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bpercentage [13:16:49] [7/9] /div [13:16:49] [8/9] /div [13:16:49] [9/9] ``` [13:17:05] and it keeps adding some pre tag between the last div and content [13:17:22] and that's pretty problematic as it fuck up my style [13:20:37] I was voting on the rfc and I tried to save but there was an edit conflict and now everything I wrote is missing [13:20:44] what happened to it? What do I do? [13:20:56] I spent half an hour typing all that out 😭 [13:21:49] what do I do? [13:23:16] I'm on the 'resolve conflict' page [13:23:25] so the edits are there. I just don't know how to resolve it [13:24:02] Please click the back arrow ← in your browser, beside your url [13:24:24] I tried- it says info I've entered won't be saved [13:25:40] [1/2] I know, but if it's still cached, it will be there. There is no other option to my knowledge. [13:25:41] [2/2] And a tip. Always save the text in your memory (CTRL+A → CTRL+C) [13:26:05] before you submit large text [13:27:30] Okay, I tried that but it wasn't there on the 'edit' page, but then I went forward again and it's still there on the 'resolve conflict' page. I'll do the A+C, but I'm worried that I'll be erasing someone else's comments [13:27:43] I've checked- it's receptionwiki123 [13:28:25] You can always publish anyway, and copy the other persons comment afterwards [13:29:50] [1/2] but then reception's comments will be lost- it's showing them side by side, one with only mine, and one with only reception's. [13:29:50] [2/2] I could manually go through and copy both of ours to a seperate document and then past them all in one by one? But that'll take a while and it might not copy over the templates. [13:31:15] is there a way to merge them? [13:31:16] Nothing ever get's lost [13:31:29] His revision will still be there [13:31:43] I can repair it afterwards for you [13:31:53] Which RfC is it? [13:32:10] [1/2] not if I cmd a+c my stuff, that would erase his [13:32:10] [2/2] Requests for Comment/Content and Dormancy Policies [13:32:46] Which section? [13:34:15] [1/2] most of them. I did it all at once. I now see why that's a bad idea. [13:34:15] [2/2] Wait, I have an idea- it says 'only the text in the upper box will be published' if I hate 'save changes'. Mine aren't in there, but his are. So, I could copy and paste my stuff into there! [13:34:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Content_and_Dormancy_Policies?action=history [13:35:01] You can see here that all text is saved. It is always retrievable [13:36:27] [1/2] right, but that's the problem- mine didn't save due to an edit conflict. Even though his saved, I'd be writing over that if I copy pasted the page with my edits. [13:36:27] [2/2] It's okay, I can copypaste only mine into the top box. It'll be annoying but that's doable [13:38:46] When you add it, it won't erase his comments. The'll be another older revision. Then it's easy to copy his from that older revision, and add it to your comments. Yu really won't erase his [13:39:58] It's okay, I'm halfway through now [13:40:16] It's just a pain. Feels like there should be an easier way to resolve edit conflicts [13:41:46] [1/2] Yeah... I was battling Edit conflicts in 2010 already when I started on Wikipedia 😄 [13:41:47] [2/2] They never found a real solution for that, hence why I always save my content, before pressing "Save Page" [13:44:43] I wish there was a way to, when you're on the 'edit conflict' page, choose to accept, reject, or change each individual difference [13:45:21] yup. I see you added your comments now [13:45:41] yep! [13:46:07] from now on I'll only do one section edit at a time, and always copy my edits, just in case. [13:46:20] Remember that you need to add the timestamps. Normally by closing with [13:46:36] argh!!! [13:46:43] You can still do that with ~ [13:46:56] ```~``` [13:47:02] 5 tildes [13:47:11] okay, on it [13:52:49] checking on visual after putting it in on source and it doesn't convert- are you sure it's 5? [13:53:12] Yes it is [13:53:25] Do I type my username, too? [13:53:40] 3 is username only, 4 is Username and date+time, 5 is date and time [13:53:50] No you did that already [13:53:54] Ah, right, thank you [13:54:08] You're welcome [13:55:36] yayyyy it worked! You're amazing [13:56:29] leaving spaces at the beginning of a row creates pre blocks [13:57:21] Na... Learned it the hard way myself @mx.lilasekhmet 😄 [14:02:28] Ohhh okay I used it as indentation [14:05:43] You better use : at the start of the line for that or :: or ::: [14:18:16] Just to be sure, but is anyone having issue with PageProperties extension? It used to have some issues while my wiki was at WT [14:23:34] What is the error precisely? [14:30:05] Like, while back then it just give me TypeErrors of some kinds [14:30:38] It had my wiki's content unavailable for a whiles [14:36:24] Technically fatal errors and that's it- [14:56:22] Won't it show as text? [14:58:04] can you provide the exception id please. [14:58:32] :ThinkerMH: [15:02:28] Ah no, I just asking if someone else does, as I used to have issues with it while at WikiTide [15:10:52] No it shouldn't [15:11:07] ::: just indents [15:11:24] Only at the start of the line though [15:11:35] Okay [15:21:30] [1/2] Почему досихпор, отображается не верное количество статей и правок [15:21:30] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1206621106337747026/image.png?ex=65dcac79&is=65ca3779&hm=9825395620ea1cc0867f4ed4188c3f49a326511b55220c32e92de8510d5e8fb0& [15:21:39] Имею ввиду после переноса [15:21:44] с фандома [15:22:34] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1206621375318462494/image.png?ex=65dcacb9&is=65ca37b9&hm=33a64ae2ca5cbf1ad48689ba1981188ceff3b444cb55d226f2c9a15e4c29cb3d& [15:22:59] Уже более 2-3 месяцев ждём, досихпор результатов нету [15:33:57] seems their page/edit count has not updated to accurate stats since 2-3 months ago, the bottom image being what their stats were on fandom [15:47:10] [1/2] Hey we currently have an issue where the owner of our wiki has gone MIA and we found no way to properly contact them [15:47:11] [2/2] Is there a way ownership could possible be passed to one of the wiki administrators in this scenario? [15:48:52] In this case, if there's an extent community (even if it's just a few people) use the rules for [[Local elections]] [15:48:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Local_elections [15:48:54] [15:49:26] Wikis don't have owners but you can have local elections as @notaracham to appoint people to roles and Stewards can and will appoint people based on community consensus [16:01:12] создай билет на [[Phabricator]] [16:01:12] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phabricator [16:01:13] [16:01:36] у каких-то вики затык, у каких-то норм, нужно пнуть скрипт [17:25:36] Which extension uses: ```{{#fornumargs}}```? [17:25:36] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%23fornumargs [17:29:57] Loops [17:40:20] ok thanks. [18:08:49] [1/2] https://cyberlaw.ccdcoe.org/wiki/Main_Page [18:08:49] [2/2] huh i didn't know that literal NATO used miraheze [18:21:13] too bad they hide the Miraheze web badge [18:21:50] did they even donated? [18:22:01] that's the worse part \:P [18:22:15] greedy [18:22:41] $2.5 billion but no room for Miraheze in the budget \:( [18:22:43] damn, still can't donate myself [18:22:53] Look, you offer such a good competitive product for free why would they need to donate! [18:44:58] At least they still have the dono button on the bottom of the page 🤷‍♂️ I guess [18:52:05] [1/5] ```#footer-copyrightico, [18:52:06] [2/5] #footer-poweredbyico { [18:52:06] [3/5] display: none; [18:52:06] [4/5] }``` [18:52:07] [5/5] Yup, found it in the common.css 😛 [19:20:16] [1/2] Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'entities.explosion' not found. - Maybe someone here can help me... I added this infobox template from Wikipedai to my fandom page... Since then I have had this message that the module 'entities.explosion' cannot be found. But I can't find anything about 'entities.explosion' in the internet, so what can I do to make it disappear? 🤷‍♂️ [19:20:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1206681196193382410/Unbenannt.PNG?ex=65dce470&is=65ca6f70&hm=5c2697372c328e4525e9e2c80023e6a51ccde4a8e2e2ca78efec2a82e15d33e4& [19:21:22] congratulation on wikipedia import [19:21:31] Importing modules from Wikipedia leads to stuff like this. They have a very complicated network of Lua modules with tons of imports [19:21:34] something we advise users to not do, usually [19:21:49] I believe even import page now states [19:24:11] I actually don't know which module is refers to [19:25:12] Probably a dumb question, but does the Template give any indication of whats missing template or module wise [19:25:13] [1/2] maybe that help 🤔 [19:25:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1206682437606842458/Unbenannt.PNG?ex=65dce598&is=65ca7098&hm=18a797ed2f9f6b743a6d92766c967f59491bfcdd09b991e42800c74f49c2ff29& [19:25:43] sir, we hate lua in this server /j [19:25:50] meee [19:26:03] 🫣 [19:26:06] idk tbh [19:26:10] @jojooxd Can you link to that article, if it is a public wiki? [19:26:27] there's no Module:Entities or Module:Explosion on Wikipedia [19:27:07] I would suggest to delete this one, enable PortableInfobox extension, and export TV infoboxes from some estabilished wiki on Fandom [19:27:26] ok i try that [19:27:32] since infoboxes on Fandom - build w/ that extension, are much simpler [19:29:00] [1/3] Use "Edit source", then scroll to the bottom of the page for the dropdown arrow by "Templates used on this page" [19:29:00] [2/3] Those listed with red links are missing and either need to be created or imported. [19:29:00] [3/3] Be aware, templates and modules on Wikipedia tend to call other modules and templates, so dependencies could go several deep. [19:29:10] [1/4] also [19:29:10] [2/4] "there are no ethical corporations" [19:29:10] [3/4] Miraheze: [19:29:11] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1206683433871609866/DQNlouBVAAAGn6T.png?ex=65dce685&is=65ca7185&hm=f6a3e9999e3e89b6180f34cb06b9b594a2ca8f0b6291e1290169439403427f8e& [19:42:30] hello [19:42:44] is true that the new Dormant policy changes from 60 to 30 days? [19:42:55] that is way too scarce days [19:43:14] that's for wikis that haven't been touched even once [19:43:50] yes [19:44:30] that's from [[Requests_for_Comment/Content_and_Dormancy_Policies]], it's not yet policy [19:44:30] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Content_and_Dormancy_Policies [19:44:30] [19:44:31] although I wouldn't say it's even needed [19:44:34] feel free to vote [19:45:19] wikis w/ main pages only sure don't overload servers? [19:45:40] In my experience it’s annoying if I’m trying to find a new wiki to browse [19:45:45] I adopted few wikis (I think three) and I struggle to keep them open, because in 60 days is easy to forget. I am migrating the content to my main wiki, but now that seems is changing... [19:46:14] then even if that RFC passes it won't affect you [19:46:35] that RFC says that the change only affects wikis that have _never_ been edited since creation [19:47:03] [1/2] I haven't seen that, I only have seen the 30 days: [19:47:04] [2/2] > Proposal 3.0 is a new Dormancy Policy, rewritten for clarity and to reduce the inactivity period from 60 to 30 days [19:47:17] for wikis that have never been edited [19:47:28] i.e. they're created and no one ever edits them [19:47:31] so they're blank [19:47:39] this doesn't affect wikis that have been edited [19:48:07] okey [19:48:13] We are thinking about loosening the Dormancy Policy though [19:48:16] its a very specific set of circumstances, to put it a certain way [19:48:24] bumping total time before deletion from 6 months to 1 year [20:03:53] hey there! I'm new to this whole wiki making thing and, I was wondering if I can use miraheze to create a private wiki for my thing? [20:04:16] You can [20:04:20] it's supposed to be for me and my peers to discuss stuff regarding a universe that I'm making, [20:04:36] worldbuilding wikis are pretty popular here [20:04:49] oh! [20:04:51] so yeah [20:05:04] I love world building1!1!1!1! [20:05:50] and private wiki is an option, it means that folks need to register Miraheze account, visit main page of the wiki and then you'll be to grant them right to view/edit it [20:05:57] Worldbuilding wiki's? [20:05:57] mhm [20:06:37] fictional worlds, see it writing projects [20:06:47] okay [20:06:54] it's like if tolkien made his stuff in a wiki form lol [20:07:00] for himself [20:08:40] Like this one: https://atlasalteraworld.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [20:08:44] <.labster> Miraheze Super Bowl commercial when? [20:12:52] @.labster you paying? [20:13:09] the foundation is drowning in cash [20:13:13] we must spend it productively [20:13:40] 30 seconds ad that's created by a random person we hired on Fiverr for $10 [20:14:23] @agentisai / @paladox : you got access? [20:14:28] run showJobs for battlecatswiki [20:16:14] @agentisai I think CirrusSearch is broken [20:16:16] rainworldwiki:jobqueue:cirrusSearchElasticaWrite [20:16:34] WMF docs say that job should never exist unless the cluster is frozen [20:17:04] let me see [20:18:53] os162 is responding fine [20:18:59] not sure why the job piled up [20:19:38] @agentisai I see issues starting about 3 hours ago [20:19:53] nothing in icinga [20:20:44] @agentisai can you check showJobs for battle cats and rainworld [20:20:49] And then maybe run them [20:20:59] rainworld jobs finished [20:21:04] battlecats running now [20:21:11] they're all finishing without error [20:21:53] weird [20:21:57] Stupid cluster [20:22:00] It fell asleep [20:22:01] 😄 [20:22:16] We should probably alert on any ElasticaWrite jobs [20:22:27] We have nothing in grafana for elastic/open search stats [20:22:39] I mean basically yes [20:23:48] Needs more coffee [20:24:20] @pixldev yes please send the servers coffee [20:24:46] What kind(I do not know coffee) [20:24:47] @agentisai looking happier now [20:25:02] I'm not sure why it got upset [20:25:15] Yup that sounds like Mediawiki [20:25:20] Just a strong one @pixldev [20:25:28] But if we know a number should be 0 and it reaches 1k, we should alert on that [20:26:15] @agentisai criticalrolewiki too [20:26:28] I have a feeling something might be more grumpy [20:27:30] Three wikis making jobs that should not exist [20:29:05] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T11846 [20:29:18] Nah just 1 making jobs that shouldn't exist [20:29:27] The job queue is being its usual grumpy self [20:29:38] The other wikis are just abnormally high [20:29:58] The job queue just needs an extra kick sometimes be told what to do [20:30:43] Odd [20:31:07] @agentisai we still got 110 elastica write jobs [20:31:37] @agentisai is it only rainworldwiki with ElasticaWrite jobs [20:31:51] @pixldev the job queue is known to be odd [20:32:43] It seems to have settled now [20:32:47] Aye, feels like half the unexplained errors I see y’all talking bout are from the JQ [20:32:54] But I'm slightly concerned about ElasticaWrite [20:33:06] Why things aren't being written to search [20:33:24] You haven't been awake to babysit it at 4am [20:33:31] I have a particular dislike for the software [20:33:32] Thankfully [20:33:40] As with anything that has me awake at 4am [20:35:18] I love the new servers [20:36:09] @person16384 just edited their global userpage and surprisingly nothing fell apart [20:36:25] Well [20:36:27] That’s [20:36:39] Something [20:36:40] The old servers would have cried for like a good few hours at multiple successive edits [20:36:52] That’s a low bar [20:36:54] The new servers seem perfectly happy [20:37:49] @pixldev a carrier pigeon could have done better than our old servers at points [20:38:12] lol [20:38:39] Just wondering what goes on with https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T11832 [20:39:28] It's annoying that my username is one long link that stretches my page twice as wide [20:39:46] @rodejong does the error occur on a brand new account? [20:39:54] If you create a throwaway test account [20:40:15] I can check that [20:51:47] Nope. No problem there [20:52:11] Weird [20:52:14] I can look at the pages fine also when I am not logged in [20:52:24] But that gives us a comparison [20:52:26] but as soon as I log in... [20:52:29] I've got a new problem with infoboxes, images aren't showing up in them [20:52:30] It must be something you've set [20:52:38] Can you update the task to confirm [20:52:46] And we can work out what is broken [20:52:52] Any error [20:53:01] You mean add what I just did? [20:53:24] Not that I'm seeing, the info box works but the image just doesnt show up [20:53:25] I can do that [20:54:01] Link? [20:55:53] Here's an example that should have an image in the infobox https://grimtown.miraheze.org/wiki/ARP-3490. The image should be this https://grimtown.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Izzy.prg.png [20:56:45] WAIT nevermind! the image was incorrectly named [20:56:49] it works now [20:59:27] I try to copy the user css/js over see if that gives something [21:02:14] Perfect. Let us know if there's anything else we can do. [21:06:01] grrr. When I come in on my own wiki with my new account. Is that an Autoconfirmed user? [21:06:29] I have to change the setting that allows editing ones own .js and .css [21:06:44] I can't now [21:07:19] ? [21:07:35] And no, a new account won't be autoconfirmed [21:07:42] You can add the confirmed group though [21:07:59] I never did this before 😄 [21:08:52] An SRE can try something at some point if you're not sure how to debug [21:09:06] I would welcme that [21:09:13] welcome* [21:11:41] Oh hang on [21:11:56] I have to go to his userpage and change his role [21:12:06] I was looking in Manage wiki [21:12:08] 😛 [21:16:37] Hmm how long does the change take? [21:18:57] Change in user rights is instant [21:19:35] Or at least fast enough you shouldn't notice [21:20:13] There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page. [21:20:27] There is something I am missing here [21:20:51] (change visibility) 2024-02-12T22:12:57 Rodejong talk contribs block changed group membership for Rodejong-backup from (none) to confirmed user [21:22:15] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1206711892752605204/image.png?ex=65dd0106&is=65ca8c06&hm=70cce32c4725f4442287d8794bcd5142d1c55cbd64b60df34acc07c585baf191& [21:22:29] Confirmed User group [21:22:54] So what is wrong here? [21:29:32] There is no createpage right in that group, so unless they get it from another group well they can't create pages [21:34:25] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1206714954929930240/image.png?ex=65dd03e0&is=65ca8ee0&hm=20637146977876a30f05b74982463fb16725ad9113426f1e32d067d05bdc6862& [21:34:32] Still can't edit [21:35:44] There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page. [21:39:50] Anything I am still missing? [21:40:19] You haven't set email confirmed to edit or something? [21:43:41] No is unchecked [21:45:55] [1/2] It still shows [21:45:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1206717850627211396/image.png?ex=65dd0693&is=65ca9193&hm=6f35f96b61e3ba58b2840aa0aba701e899a4dec23acb33e1259defdcde858c13& [21:53:55] I give up :/ I went through all the permissions, but my backup still has n rights, even though it says it is in the correct user group [21:54:52] @MediaWiki Trusted Support Volunteers [21:55:26] I'm off to sleep in a few minutes [21:55:31] Okay [21:55:39] Good night and sleep well! [21:55:43] And thanks [21:57:14] I copy the files in there with my main account then. [21:59:47] No rights like edit or anything at all? [22:01:41] Nope [22:01:50] I can read, that is it [22:01:58] I can see View Source [22:02:50] Do you have editsubpage enabled? [22:02:56] But With my main account I copied the user css and User js files over on my back-up account. And there is no error coming from that [22:03:08] It can't even edit the talk page [22:04:29] There doesn't seem to be such feature. Only a "Move pages with sub pages" [22:04:49] I mean the extension called EditSubpages or something [22:07:22] [1/2] EditSubpages [22:07:23] [2/2] Allows sysops to unlock a page and all subpages of that page for anonymous editing via MediaWiki:Unlockedpages [22:07:31] That's only for admins [22:08:02] oh right [22:08:11] no worries [22:08:22] oh your logged in, I misread issue lol [22:09:00] Yeah, I was trying to solve one problem, and in stead got another one [22:27:00] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T11832 [22:27:30] that is a unique issue... [22:28:27] yup [22:28:47] And it drives me crazy [22:28:59] I've never seen anything like it lol, but can sure understand why it does... [22:36:32] @rodejong can you append ?safemode=1 to rule out JS/CSS causing the issue for you? [22:37:33] Allready did that, but did it again, still the same [22:39:16] Sure is hard to debug something when I can't reproduce lol [22:39:28] And as I said above, I copied my js and css files on my new account, and there it doesn't give any trouble [22:39:59] I even emptied it yesterday or on saturday [22:40:05] Do you have a signature set? [22:40:11] Yes [22:40:14] hang on [22:40:20] Can you test if you remove it? [22:40:48] Steal his account :trol: [22:41:32] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Rodejong/Signature [22:42:04] I can do that [22:42:18] Ro give me your password for “testing” [22:42:26] :EvilPatrickStare: [22:42:40] I honestly doubt it but just trying to rule it out [22:42:53] <.labster, replying to pixldev> At a previous job we had a feature in our software that let you pretend to be a different user and it was invaluable for debugging. [22:43:11] :pepenotes: [22:43:36] Has you tried on their wikis? [22:44:15] This reminds me of the "Sudo" MediaWiki extension but also how easy it was to find vulnerabilities in it and pretend you're anyone [22:44:35] I removed it, and made it as normal, and still remains the same [22:44:36] That existed? [22:45:06] I haven't a clue then lol [22:45:17] I've been on several, On meta, login, other users, etc. No problems [22:45:46] So it’s specific to your account on JWMeetings Wiki [22:45:59] :Confused: [22:46:01] It must be something in preferences though, its all it could be if only for you only on that wiki, and doesn't happen with safemode enabled [22:46:52] Hm [22:47:14] It's probably the DisplayTitle extension, again [22:47:29] Again? [22:48:58] It's my Rodejong account and only on jwmeeting.miraheze.org [22:49:14] O other wiki's I have no problems. [22:49:48] Yup, it's caused by extension DisplayTitle [22:50:07] Adding a displaytitle to my user page replicates this bug on the interface [22:50:32] Yeah I saw something weird now [22:50:35] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1206734120533758053/image.png?ex=65dd15ba&is=65caa0ba&hm=c713f205216d33bcd897adf3b184ff81628a0b30e408a9dabf593e5cabb6546a& [22:51:08] I never had that problem before. I have had that for ages on all kinds of wiki's [22:51:52] But the bug also shows on the Mainpage [22:51:56] on all pages [22:52:04] The displaytitle extension just makes it so that the text of all links is built using the displaytitle property of the page. It doesn't otherwise impact the DISPLAYTITLE magic word at all. The problem here is that some parts of the interface are not expecting HTML input for link text like that. [22:52:28] ohhhhh [22:53:16] But I have the same DISPLAYTITLE on all Wiki's where I have my Userpage [22:53:32] It's build in my Navigation [22:54:19] I have it on ENWP, on Meta, on Login, on jwiki and on jwmeeting, so why only in the latter it gives a bug? [22:55:26] The display title extension is different from the magic word IIRC [22:56:50] https://login.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Rodejong/Navigation [22:57:25] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Rodejong/Navigation [23:00:20] Just closed a task asking for VE and Tabs on Phab as resolved, should I have marked it as invalid? [23:00:43] Just let them know a crat show enable it and have them the link the the talk page of the local admin [23:01:06] (T11841) [23:01:54] Yes invalid [23:03:01] K, ill change