[00:02:53] [1/2] On the topic of links, how do you get an external icon link like this for links outside a wiki? [00:02:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211100974693744680/Untitled.png?ex=65ecf8ad&is=65da83ad&hm=8ee8cc6f565b357890a6654254467640f2cc87939bc0014db5de5ec0e563faae& [00:08:42] That is normally done automatically by the MediaWiki software [00:09:22] You mean to change it? [00:10:52] [1/2] We have custom CSS that I think it messing it up [00:10:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211102981261496320/image.png?ex=65ecfa8b&is=65da858b&hm=5b4ba238df0a2a2dda7aea89cfa6d4c21a645364ce93822f6be12c32d2530de0& [00:12:20] hm [00:12:28] Link? [00:13:06] [1/2] I think you used a plain links [00:13:07] [2/2]
/div [00:13:40] plainlinks removes that little icon [00:13:58] [1/2] Would that be on the CSS page? [00:13:59] [2/2] Because that's not on the page itself [00:14:10] https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/Updates [00:14:12] It's a class [00:15:36] I respect the fact that you folk at AoC wiki are so dedicated to CSS that 50% of CSS questions I see are of it 😆 [00:15:39] :salute: [00:15:57] We will make our wiki the best-looking wiki! [00:16:13] Already beat mine and then some [00:16:18] rip nyctopedia [00:18:04] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211104793875980329/G4mFpOy.png?ex=65ecfc3c&is=65da873c&hm=9dbd3d18bf30886c9efbbd608d47cfab7e20455a4bc0c154060cf4758b9fa2c3& [00:19:12] [1/2] I will say though this could do with some more contrast [00:19:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211105079395098654/nKujVtj.png?ex=65ecfc80&is=65da8780&hm=8a2c253e4e0d8f480ebed0ae4713646a165087cc71edffac253a21b960aa3020& [00:20:57] also on your wiki rules page, it may be better to link to the code of conduct of other user focused rule list. Content Policy is more geared for wikis as a whole to follow [00:21:00] my 2 c [00:23:02] @battadia [00:23:07] but very cool wiki and main page [00:23:15] Thanks [00:23:19] my wiki could never v-v [00:23:26] cris in wiki [00:23:40] Will do (at some point) [00:24:04] may as well go off an mention [00:24:13] [1/2] > To contribute to the wiki, you must create a Miraheze account. [00:24:13] [2/2] could link to the login page if oyu want [00:24:47] https://tenor.com/view/okay-sounds-good-jim-halpert-the-office-good-point-gif-1570599340039365094 [00:24:54] also as a reader, may want to consider moving the about the game section up above rhe change log [00:25:14] As someone who never heard of AoC [00:25:55] huh [00:26:04] CSS dont apply to the login page [00:26:20] [1/2] thats, odd [00:26:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211106874808733767/FTE7BDQ.png?ex=65ecfe2c&is=65da892c&hm=cb9fbca7a2fb68ae182830da7f554de290898b432bf4b7db80aaacbce321534b& [00:27:15] Steam/a [00:27:54] Where is that class been called from? [00:28:20] I have zero idea [00:28:57] where ya getting that [00:30:10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211107834591313930/image.png?ex=65ecff11&is=65da8a11&hm=2f8cee02a06d8330a7593c91291fb679a8520bf5bd1d1772f3f200be57752b1e& [00:30:24] https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/Updates [00:31:08] you go straight to inspect element? [00:31:10] dang [00:31:16] yeah [00:31:25] I go to wikitext [00:31:27] anyways [00:31:34] It must be mediawiki core [00:31:43] Already checked that [00:31:50] cause the page uses the normal external link syntax [00:31:52] 😉 [00:31:55] so something is overriding [00:32:03] :thumbsup: [00:32:51] oh wait [00:33:11] mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [00:33:15] I think i see the issue [00:33:35] MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM [00:33:42] YEAH I THINK THIS MAY BE PART OF THE PROBLEM [00:33:53] I think I just found it as well [00:33:56] lol [00:33:57] https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css#L-66 [00:34:00] Hmmmmmm [00:34:14] ngl [00:34:20] Yeah, [00:34:26] this is def something I would do [00:34:48] also hey @rodejong you know lots of wikipedia js tools and stuffs ja? [00:35:08] Is it possible for the icon to only appear on external links, but not interwiki ones? [00:35:23] It shows on interwiki? [00:35:31] some tools ja [00:35:40] No never interwiki [00:35:43] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211109234381688934/image.png?ex=65ed005e&is=65da8b5e&hm=89c504272fcc4728c9f5e2442db40570dc114cece644e402416b8af93ce9986f& [00:36:27] do you know anything that adds a sort of git blame feature or anything to help find who last edited a certain line 🥺 [00:37:01] also these logouts are getting annoying as hell [00:37:23] Where did you find that? [00:37:36] About four lines up [00:37:51] Unfortunately js knowledge is very limited. [00:38:00] cris in wiki [00:38:01] ill look [00:38:09] i feel i may have seen smt but not sure [00:38:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211110015444852816/WmkQYjX.png?ex=65ed0119&is=65da8c19&hm=a04549258551a5182092137314f49fb4135af12ef4fefbbf8721486793905329& [00:38:50] dont [00:39:26] Yeah. It says Remove Icon [00:39:39] [1/5] ```/ External interwiki and web links (affects long Special: links too) / [00:39:39] [2/5] a.extiw, a.external { [00:39:39] [3/5] color: gold !important; / Different color / [00:39:40] [4/5] background-image: none !important; / Removes icon / [00:39:40] [5/5] padding-right: 0 !important; }``` [00:39:58] [1/2] removing that line [00:39:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211110304340254730/MIIs68s.png?ex=65ed015d&is=65da8c5d&hm=83a1fed6776f2741d4da69c2a6ad2393748207404c5ca56c0bcb776171408bf8& [00:40:00] mmmmmm [00:40:04] my eyes burn! [00:40:16] the icon still blu [00:40:32] https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [00:41:03] You need to ask the person who added the code, or where you got it from [00:42:47] <.labster> [1/2] Paste code from some random guy on the internet [00:42:47] <.labster> [2/2] Everything will be fine [00:43:01] Thats what she said [00:43:43] That's what Undefined said [00:43:53] [1/2] well got it to change [00:43:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211111291511513148/hK5SYSz.png?ex=65ed0249&is=65da8d49&hm=ba2e27534314269e67b9d04b518a3b0792ff1fc7c4b2ffd95e6ea258147e0baa& [00:43:58] used the cursor one [00:44:30] Yeah, love it. Doesn't work for me though :ThinkerMH: [00:44:40] it should just be a matter of replacing that background image: none line with the URL to a image [00:44:43] ah [00:44:46] what image you using [00:45:00] something blocks the load unless its a local image [00:45:10] ie I tried to use smt from WM commons [00:45:19] Ohw... [00:45:24] `A resource is blocked by OpaqueResponseBlocking, please check browser console for details.` [00:45:34] [1/7] body { [00:45:35] [2/7] cursor: url("https://static.miraheze.org/agesofconflictwiki/5/5e/Default.png"), auto; [00:45:35] [3/7] } [00:45:35] [4/7] a:hover { [00:45:36] [5/7] cursor: url("https://static.miraheze.org/agesofconflictwiki/5/5e/Default.png"), auto; [00:45:36] [6/7] } [00:45:36] [7/7] So that doesn't work at my wiki 😄 LOL [00:45:48] oh so its by wiki? [00:45:54] not just miraheze globaly? [00:45:55] drat [00:46:24] <.labster, replying to rodejong> The quotes don’t match, or is that Discord formatting? [00:46:53] yeah [00:46:58] Thats Discord [00:47:29] Will do [00:47:49] looks like the issue i was having earlier has been solved, thank you very much for helping [00:48:35] you should be able to just upload an images to replace it [00:48:44] idk if you'd need to mess with the sizes [00:49:08] also remove the padding 0 line [00:49:48] smt like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:External_link_font_awesome.svg maybe [00:50:00] may need to change the color manually [00:54:19] [1/2] I always hate that little icon. [00:54:19] [2/2] I often put a Plainlinks in to remove it [00:57:10] [1/2] I'm Lovin' it [00:57:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211114633671352341/image.png?ex=65ed0566&is=65da9066&hm=923914223b9c1e0d40fdaa11378792797bc4c7910411220efcc9e4d4867cd035& [00:57:56] Hmm, ofcourse it doesn't include the live pointer 😄 lol [00:58:54] How do you look for wiki deletions in Special:Log on meta? [00:59:04] Special:Log/farmer I think [00:59:22] Oh bruh [01:00:13] Thanks [01:07:30] Wait is it really [01:08:11] yeah lol [01:08:16] Wiki farm, farmer [01:09:12] Yeah but I looked through like 5k logs and there isn't a single wiki deletion [01:10:03] oh [01:10:10] I think thats under manageWiki [01:13:00] Yeah that's it [01:20:47] Special:Log/managewiki [01:22:14] Enter "Special:ManageWiki/core/subdomain + wiki" in the Target field [01:29:02] Pardon me [01:29:11] [1/2] w [01:29:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211122690484604968/YNIbWzk.png?ex=65ed0ce6&is=65da97e6&hm=db907bdeb8379d467c98f86859eefebb23d50f12b1d4e2b324158691eb236769& [01:29:26] to make social engineerign [01:29:33] link to the Wikidata entry [01:29:38] and not the enwiki one [01:35:01] weird [01:35:25] Normally you pull data from it, not lead people to it 😄 [01:35:57] they did it again [01:36:11] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q223204 [01:50:34] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T11891 [01:55:44] [1/6] LOL. [01:55:44] [2/6] I wrote an article on the Danish Wikipedia several years ago. [01:55:44] [3/6] Now I was searching on google, and found a local wiki and thought, hey that's what I wrote on Wikipedia [01:55:45] [4/6] So I immediately checked who copied it... [01:55:45] [5/6] Turned out that I put it there myself 😄 [01:55:45] [6/6] Totally forgot about it 😄 [01:57:51] lol [01:58:10] I need to do more enwiki edits [01:58:22] prob adding cites [01:59:24] 😄 [01:59:47] I slowed down on wikipedia. Got tired of that lot! [02:00:20] Always so argumentative. No middle way with these people [02:01:18] The Wikipedians I talk to the most are the ones from my 'local' Wikimedia chapter [02:01:22] all very cool people [02:02:21] I've mostly been active on NLwp and DAwp [02:02:37] Not so much on ENwp [02:03:10] [1/3] [8051bb9a9b980988e9e7c55f] 2024-02-25 02:01:31: Fatal exception of type "MWException" [02:03:10] [2/3] I tried to change my preferences on [02:03:10] [3/3] https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/Special:Preferences [02:03:21] aye aye aye [02:03:59] [1/2] This has been a priority for weeks but we have no idea why. I disabled the manageInactiveWikis script completely yesterday pending a potential solution I hope. [02:03:59] [2/2] The whole missing edits thing doesn't make sense at all, but it is a priority to have fixed. [02:04:13] There was one fairly funny case where I went to an event hosted by said chapter IRL, was talking to one of the people there about a project, mentioned one of the libraries I was using. "Oh yeah, I made that library" [02:08:52] Can you also look into the 500 error a lot of people have? [02:09:25] It's probably the same issue I fixed yesterday happening again. I will look in an hour [02:10:00] What was the cause yesterday? [02:10:48] Yes it is and it's happening on a lot of wikis so do look into it when you have the chance but take your time [02:10:56] Cache full or something idk [02:11:25] oh sotrage [02:11:31] Yeah our cache servers ran out of disk [02:11:36] some sort of misconfig? [02:11:46] I thought we got like 3x the space now [02:11:52] Yeah we have it configured to to much [02:13:05] [1/2] We do but we only have 2 cache servers being used right now as they are a lot faster so 100% of traffic is currently going through US cps [02:13:05] [2/2] We have 3x more overall storage on cloud servers for like images and database but not used much more for cache. [02:18:30] [1/3] Question: [02:18:30] [2/3] 10/TopTenPages [02:18:30] [3/3] What gadget makes this? [02:18:50] Found it on a wiki, but can't find any js/css [02:19:15] It doesn't work on my wiki [02:20:04] <.labster> That looks like a parser function from an extension [02:20:39] but we don't have it installed and won't since its unmaintained [02:21:31] <.labster> Wait, WikiForge supports HitCounters? Interesting. [02:22:41] yikes https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/extensions/TopTenPages/+log [02:23:37] So does Miraheze technically, it's just disabled due to some performance issues but it might work again [02:24:12] <.labster> yeah, like anything that turns a view into a write will face some performance issues [02:24:23] Yep [02:24:51] Okay. Shame [02:24:54] How bad can it be™️ [02:24:57] I wander if we could make a version of HitCounters powered by Matomo... [02:25:13] <.labster> I'm sure we can, it's whether we have the time. [02:25:37] well more if we don't have more important things [02:25:55] I really should start learning PHP some day [02:26:04] They'll always be other things for a team our size tbh [02:27:37] First I need to finish the one project i have with a dealine [02:28:13] <.labster> I wonder if https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/PHP_Programming is any good [02:29:07] hm [02:29:23] I could prob learn the syntax easy enough with enough time [02:29:37] but to learn in context of mediawiki is a seperate issue [02:29:54] <.labster> I don't ever remember learning PHP, I just started programming it, and checking the manual if something confused me. [02:30:13] maybe ill look for a simple unmaintained extension, or if theres any simple low priority stuff for mira [02:31:24] Wikibooks is decent! [02:31:36] <.labster> Coming from Perl, PHP was incredibly natural to me [02:31:50] [1/2] Ooh, I love this old Monobook style Wiki: [02:31:50] [2/2] https://wikisilkeborg.dk/Forside [02:32:36] This was the same for me with PHP and every other language I know or us now. [02:32:41] ooooooo [02:33:05] uh i just wanted to make funy discord bot so uh tutorials go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR [02:33:14] :sadcatthumbsup: [02:33:30] <.labster> I remember learning FORTRAN and also I now no longer remember it [02:34:37] <.labster, replying to rodejong> that is nice design [02:35:10] Not altered in 5 years 😄 [02:36:14] <.labster> that's probably why it's nice, have you seen Windows lately? [02:37:52] Ugh... yup [03:04:15] [1/2] Hi, sorry if anything about this question is off-topic! I just went on my Wiki (last edited December 2) to find it had been deleted; I asked for re-opening and was told that it was soft-deleted, and I should put in a Steward request. I've since done so, but was just wondering how long those requests typically take to be filled and if the Wiki is at risk to be permanently deleted befo [03:04:16] [2/2] re it can be undeleted. Thank you so much in advance for your answers and for the platform; I really appreciate Miraheze and have had a great time using it so far! [03:05:35] Your request should only take a couple of days [03:05:53] It should take a few days at most and it's really unlikely it'll get permanently deleted during that time but if it did backups will be on archive.org if it's a public wiki so you can recreate it [03:06:14] Thank you both so much! [03:06:26] Np [03:16:42] it's so embarrassing when i take someone elses template icl [03:34:07] Uhh...So. I have a problem that I was told is better to ask here than on Phorge... [03:35:37] Sooo, I would like to delete my old wiki and start fresh? OR! Or just erasing everything on my old wiki? As in...everything. [03:36:41] I was told there exists something called...AutoWikiBrowser or something... [03:36:49] That I can use to do said thing. [03:37:02] I don't know how to find it. Or where to find it... >< [03:46:08] <.labster> Do you want us to delete your existing wiki, then you request a new one? [03:46:41] That'll do! [03:46:50] Which wiki? [03:47:15] Uhh, lemme get its original name...because it currently goes by wiki.candelabrem.com... [03:47:36] [03:48:00] I'd really appreciate it. [03:48:12] <.labster> home page has a fatal exception, interesting [03:48:24] Yeah, no idea in heck how that happened. >< [03:49:26] I will handle in an hour or two [03:49:47] Thank you. In the meantime, may I make a request for a new one? [03:50:10] If you are using a different subdomain sure otherwise you'll have to wait till I drop this one. [03:50:23] Alright! No problem. [03:50:27] Thank you so much! [03:50:40] :care: [03:50:43] <.labster> Can you request this on a wiki page so we can verify your account, like on [[SN]]? [03:50:43] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SN [03:50:44] [03:51:09] Being verified on Discord should be enough I think? [03:51:33] <.labster> Oh, okay, does that link the account? [03:51:48] Yeah [03:52:56] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/647875094328115211/1058785269630898276 [03:53:25] <.labster> Thanks, I learned something today [04:05:01] PHP.net is your best friend for php but their explanations are so obscure and they just make it more difficult to unserstand [04:05:34] Yeah that's why we always chose to use WikiAuthBot rather than WikiBot for auth as WikiBot auth is pointless as you can't check the linked account. [04:05:58] WikiBot logs the auth just like WikiAuthBot [04:06:00] MediaWiki just downloaded a random HTML file; first time this has happened for me, but other users have reported this issue before [04:06:22] But you can't do /whois [04:07:50] WikiBot auth is good for like auto roles based on wiki roles but for our purposes I don't think it would be the best. [04:10:03] Oh we do use WikiBot now? I don't like that. Especially since it seems like logs in #verify keep getting cleared so there is no way to check linked account making auth absolutely pointless for this server always used it for IMO, unless there is a command I don't know about to get that info? [04:10:57] You can't use /user [04:10:58] Nah just pulls from CA by the looks of it [04:11:08] I tried that. [04:11:54] I'm gonna see if something like /whois is something Markus could add to WikiBot then, again, unless I am missing something... [04:12:12] It probably is addable easily because its stored in his database. [04:12:42] @markusrost is that something that would be possible? [04:15:52] WikiBot verification is indeed nicer if only you could verify auth. I didn't know we switched off WikiAuthBot lol [04:28:25] Any SRE available for my [[SN]] request? [04:28:25] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SN [04:28:26] [04:30:35] I'm not at this very moment but will be in a bit. [05:42:06] This might be answered somewhere but I couldn't find it, what are "bytes" exactly? [06:37:14] A "byte" is 8-bits of data. While a bit (0 or 1) is the smallest unit of data for a computer storage often uses bytes as the smallest unit. E.g. your harddrive is likely measured in either GigaBytes or TerraBytes. [06:48:05] Ahhh I see, I suppose I should have guessed that but I didn’t make the connection. Makes sense thank you :] [07:03:26] coming back to this [07:03:35] i've realised that nesting tabbers isn't the issue [07:03:37] but transcluding [07:04:00] the issue only happens when I use `{{Special:RecentChanges}}` in one of the tabbers AND only when that tabber also has a nested tabber in another tab [07:04:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Template:RecentChanges [07:04:04] as confusing as that sounds [07:04:23] you can see the issue [here](https://jojomodding.miraheze.org/wiki/JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Modding_Wiki) [07:04:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211207189696356352/image.png?ex=65ed5b99&is=65dae699&hm=86acb62901ade737194bcd5439db4470e2c3b2535a8974b1e92230e221c31b4d& [07:05:11] [1/2] this is again how it looks while broken [07:05:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211207250043998248/image.png?ex=65ed5ba7&is=65dae6a7&hm=e8caa45a07ab8972672304125a9cbe21e004fe51b57e8dc913dc09f5730e5a89& [07:37:42] #verify is using a button, for that I would recommend private responses so as to not push the button up. Wiki-Bot does allow to set a separate logging channel. [07:43:23] [1/2] For that I would need to store and map user names/ids. That's not something I would like to get into at the moment due to the legal responsibility that would include (GDPR etc). Might be added in the future, but not any time soon. [07:43:23] [2/2] I always recommend to search the verification or logging channel for the discord user id. Discord search returns their verification message in that case. [07:50:34] Makes sense thanks, I've updated config to logging in #auth-logs [07:54:12] Although couldn't the GDPR be handled by allowing users to remove it themselves on the dashboard? Just a thought, I don't want to get into the legality of it here, I'm happy with how it works for now anyway. [08:31:17] Make sure we keep users up to date too [08:31:52] I had that in a comment on the task but didn't submit it, but your right that's my mistake. [08:33:55] I've also tried switching CreateWiki cache to many different types including db-mainstash and redis to no avail. It's set to redis now to just see if the ManageWiki cache issue is fixed with redis, if so maybe CW closures would also [08:43:11] [1/2] It's possible that plus an updated privacy policy would be enough, I haven't looked too closely into it yet. [08:43:11] [2/2] Though I would always have to figure out if I want to share that info across server like WikiAuthBot, basically allowing automatic verification on join, or not and keep that limited to servers where the user explicitly verified. [10:31:01] the drawn feet wiki has now appealed its removal [10:31:10] we'll see how it goes [10:42:58] did they get why they got closed? [10:43:13] yep, via talk page notice [10:44:57] [1/5] I'm on the Test Wiki, looking at possible new skins and on the "Femiwiki" skin preview it gives me an error. Just to let the stewards know if they aren't aware already. [10:44:57] [2/5] "MediaWiki internal error. [10:44:57] [3/5] Original exception: [f73eda893d4462070ef74e21] 2024-02-25 10:43:37: Fatal exception of type "Error" [10:44:58] [4/5] Exception caught inside exception handler. [10:44:58] [5/5] Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information." [10:46:01] stewards can do nothing about it I'm afraid [10:46:17] sre might, could be a phab task if the error can be reproduced [10:46:26] I think it is known broken [10:46:40] Reception mentioned that the cause behind some report not working was Femiwiki [10:47:27] yeah it's phab time if there isn't already a task [10:47:42] [1/5] if there is or if someone makes it feel free to drop this in from raidarrwiki [10:47:43] [2/5] `MediaWiki internal error. [10:47:43] [3/5] Original exception: [d7f9c0a858beeab4e28a15de] 2024-02-25 10:47:08: Fatal exception of type "Error" [10:47:43] [4/5] Exception caught inside exception handler. [10:47:44] [5/5] Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.` [11:02:30] just saw, I meant like did they understand why, but seems like not [11:04:14] it doesn't, no [11:16:02] [1/2] How do I remove this blue and white color? I've tried dozens of things yet nothing works [11:16:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211270378136141824/image.png?ex=65ed9672&is=65db2172&hm=c058c275542d5d0df6018a87abf3d388a6160269ebb0b3878eb9a5912905cb77& [11:23:54] How should I follow up on this to ensure the wiki isn't lost [11:24:30] Open a #support thread and tag SRE [11:26:58] What tag is the SRE tag [11:28:19] I can ping them if you let me know when the thread exists [11:28:42] But we're not dropping wikis at the moment, if you're wiki is currently deleted, we should restore your access [11:31:36] Thanks, I put up the thread [11:32:08] And they are pinged [11:58:35] [1/2] you can check my code, it's somewhere in page toolbar part, test it in element inspector/styling console [11:58:36] [2/2] [12:07:10] Thank you! [12:26:21] Are HTML Templates that use Ai such as Chat Gpt fine? [12:26:32] Just generally like what are opinions on that? [12:27:00] [1/2] Secondly does this template look good? [12:27:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211288232776572989/image.png?ex=65eda713&is=65db3213&hm=9955382a943693ce7d55cde02c2ef85357c6779bb1f20d339253ea2ca4e4a094& [12:27:21] My experience with ChatGPT are okay for simple templates. Don't use it for more complicated stuff [12:27:43] But for simple templates such as stubs okay? [12:28:02] Can you give a link so I can check? [12:28:12] https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/Template:Stub [12:29:00] That will do nicely [12:29:23] What colours would work for other templates? [12:29:41] Black/grey does nicely for stub as it's dark and stands out [12:31:01] [1/3] That is completely depending on taste. [12:31:01] [2/3] Some would find it shouting, and removing attention from the article [12:31:02] [3/3] Others would be prompted to do something about it (per haps to get that stub removed) 😉 [12:31:17] [1/2] Looked better in my head.. [12:31:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211289315003465818/image.png?ex=65eda815&is=65db3315&hm=84039c6b94b44bde3f7b29fcc8ff0e15797b4c27c633d4a12a258a881d702c3b& [12:32:44] Ouch, that is rather toooooo much [12:32:49] Mabey [12:33:16] It needs to be readable to [12:33:30] not taking focus away from your article [12:33:34] Ye [12:33:42] I prefer light pastals for templates such as #e3ecfa and #e3faf7 and #e3faec [12:34:03] Let's try that [12:34:20] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211290077263699989/image.png?ex=65eda8cb&is=65db33cb&hm=114e5b630cd1a8260671871eb2cb0a02e065ec7383b7e8d04c5fac5acc311529& [12:34:52] https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/Template:Community [12:35:03] I think it looks decent, [12:35:13] Pastel purple gradient [12:35:17] I use no borders at all [12:35:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211290337247756398/image.png?ex=65eda909&is=65db3409&hm=e51246e0bb215be31cf786287cece57b817e9066ae4de6e863b2405d97874442& [12:35:27] Hm.. [12:35:29] [1/2] Sample template from my wiki [12:35:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211290368516161596/213121312231323.png?ex=65eda910&is=65db3410&hm=e793ca42ee89ba42ce742904729cc2b14ff5742d2d364b7a0f0d3a0906173c74& [12:35:31] Just on top off the page. [12:36:05] It's simple but affective I think [12:36:14] i like the splash of colour [12:36:16] I do light one color with darker boarders myself, but that is to make it stand out from the rest of the page [12:36:23] It'll only be in 2/3 articles anyways [12:36:30] Not like a global template [12:36:40] [1/2] What do you think of mine? [12:36:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211290669281320990/213121312231323.png?ex=65eda958&is=65db3458&hm=d4c6c08898d22b21662da8607e304d399c7b0e01f89dc05c99c5e9a346d7b6fe& [12:36:53] Simple at to the point [12:37:41] I think the white on light is a little hard to read for me [12:40:12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Framework [12:40:21] You could use this as well [12:40:33] Now to concider how the page's will be layed out [12:42:30] The most important thing is to keep it readable. [12:42:46] the contrast has to be oposite of eachother. [12:43:24] grey on black or yellow on white do not work, neither does white text on a changing gradient background [12:44:22] And make sure that if you choose a dark back ground, to use white fonts, or light pastel colours [12:44:24] [1/2] How CanI make the white transparent? [12:44:24] [2/2] https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/Template:Collapsible [12:46:11] That is .css [12:46:21] what CSS would that be? [12:46:33] actually [12:46:50] [1/13] ```
[12:46:50] [2/13] {| role="presentation" class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" [12:46:50] [3/13] |- [12:46:50] [4/13] | [12:46:51] [5/13] {{{1}}} [12:46:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7b1 [12:46:51] [6/13] |} [12:46:51] [7/13] /div [12:46:52] [8/13] {{Documentation}}/noinclude [12:46:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Documentation [12:46:52] [9/13] ``` and CSS [12:46:52] [10/13] ```.transparent-template { [12:46:53] [11/13] background-color: transparent; [12:46:53] [12/13] } [12:46:54] [13/13] ```? [12:46:58] would that work? [12:47:36] I believe so. I am not that knowledgable in CSS, but that looks to be okay [12:47:54] You can test it in your user css [12:48:32] Put the code in your user sandbox and the code in User css [12:48:57] k [12:49:15] as in User:your name/sandbox and User:Your name/skin.css [12:49:38] So User:CrimzonConflict/timeless.css ? [12:49:40] remember to purge the css page [12:49:46] Correct [12:49:56] k [12:50:02] and User:CrimzonConflict/sandbox [12:50:44] Nothing seems to be working [12:54:01] Okay so like when doing stuff with Bing Ai (don't judge me) the example it gave was for my location and city 😭 [12:54:28] @theoneandonlylegroom could you lend me a hand with this? [12:55:28] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1211293224203976764 Does the code need to change for the user pages? [12:59:53] Honestly could just do with some page planning 😭 [13:00:00] On how to layout it [13:07:47] It has fucking dementia and it’s command fails 3 times out of ten [13:08:11] There’s a reason not one but two people here are working on their own Auth bots [13:10:14] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Rodejong/Colours I have some tables with colours and their colour codes. Perhaps it can give you some idea? [13:27:48] You both want to have fun and win at nothing? [13:28:05] Mmm that too [13:28:17] That’s the important bit anyways [13:37:05] [1/4] you don't need a div and an entire class for it, just add `style="..."` inside the table [13:37:05] [2/4] div does nothing here [13:37:06] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211305871280439366/IMG_20240225_163537.jpg?ex=65edb780&is=65db4280&hm=ec8ca0bab9461ba0bc2492efa62500f7a0033574a20622e8b73620b21130af20& [13:37:06] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211305871582306404/IMG_20240225_163636.jpg?ex=65edb780&is=65db4280&hm=b17e47c19d972b06c8a0577df428df0bbe081459ce3ceab28ba12a6bde3f45b3& [13:40:40] [1/2] I'm trying to submit a request for undeletion on the Stewards request page, but whenever I try to do that, it gives me a "Server returned error: HTTP 500" error. I've tried different browsers but it doesn't seem to work? [13:40:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211306774372810822/image.png?ex=65edb858&is=65db4358&hm=dfe5a848919321250d3bd52efd3edbfe9d1b45243c60d09791b674ad15577f9c& [13:40:54] same [13:46:37] Does source editor work? [13:47:25] VE decided to call it a day? [13:48:08] [1/2] It worked! Seems to be an error with the visual editor 😅 Thanks! [13:48:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211308651600547850/image.png?ex=65edba17&is=65db4517&hm=d9654f3073cf8bb99d854ea84f170c6f23eaf650e3c76d662632fefcc98cf9cf& [13:48:16] Whoops, ignore that picture 😂 [13:48:40] Ye [13:48:46] No idea why [13:49:00] But source editor for now is less affected by grumpy servers [13:49:34] Lots of people have complained about the stewards page. I have a feeling it's a memory issue introduced recently or it's too big of a page. [13:49:34] [1/2] not for me [13:49:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211309014743515176/image.png?ex=65edba6e&is=65db456e&hm=99cebcce9f808769bc0bc006bc23331eef42ff8c81559cac03c0a341124ac3d2& [13:50:22] Use #support if you can't post to SR and need a steward [13:50:25] Or the talk page [13:51:16] Should we archive some old things? [13:52:06] there's auto archiving setup by Agent [13:52:18] but idk if it's active [13:53:04] error 500 should be fixed [13:53:15] Again, it was Varnish running out of space [13:54:05] could the long edit history cause problem too? [13:58:02] no [13:58:21] long edit histories/big pages are a MediaWiki problem, not a Varnish problem [13:58:30] Varnish had 13GBs of logs because Matomo was down [14:02:15] Is Matomo back up? [14:02:22] no [14:02:27] no one's checked up on it [14:39:21] [1/2] How do I like change this part of the template? [14:39:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211321540927553647/hfqoLMJ.png?ex=65edc618&is=65db5118&hm=4d39fe1356b3d25cf8a1c71876ce3f02f8844fd7689c15372a1fb8bb4226ce69& [14:39:40] this top-bezel kind of thing [14:42:22] can you give some sorts of links to that example? [14:42:40] the link to the template? https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/Template:Community [14:43:35] The arrows is not something from the template? [14:43:56] I added the arrows to show the part I wanted to change [14:44:03] I probably should have made that clearer [14:44:17] Ah, so it's `linear-gradient` [14:44:37] doesn't that just change the color? [14:44:43] yes [14:44:46] how do i change the size of it? [14:44:52] the background color exactly [14:45:34] well, i'm interested in changing the size, not the color [14:46:22] ah you mean the size of the gradient? [14:46:37] the size of that top part of the gradient [14:46:41] i want it to be symmetrical [14:47:00] or at least nearly symmetrical [14:47:42] I finally managed to make a mobile main page for my Taerel wiki without help [14:49:17] somewhat like this? [14:49:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211324058851876914/o.png?ex=65edc870&is=65db5370&hm=09bdd5a7a119ab6b83ef20a6408eb295e7d292904c3c6806382777ae24c42f95& [14:50:01] I don't want to change the color though [14:51:00] Is it possible to make a redirect to a section of a table? [14:51:42] [1/4] This might help- [14:51:43] [2/4] ```css [14:51:43] [3/4] background: linear-gradient(to bottom, #6A5ACD 30%, #D8BFD8 100%) [14:51:43] [4/4] ``` [14:51:52] I relized I could use my old "box" templates to make a mobile usful main page. (A template I designerd to be a grammarly warning now is my main page boxes) [14:51:53] [1/4] This might help- [14:51:54] [2/4] ```css [14:51:54] [3/4] background: linear-gradient(to bottom, #6A5ACD 30%, #D8BFD8 100%) [14:51:54] [4/4] ``` [14:52:32] Someone can correct me, but I just try until I got it right- [14:53:15] That doesn't affect the thing I want to change [14:53:30] that just makes some borders appear [14:54:14] [1/2] What do you think of my new mobile main page? [14:54:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211325290035548185/31232312323424.png?ex=65edc996&is=65db5496&hm=76d701fcb02ab18b7be07b7a847dea3f16f56048a890251c6d5caab63e13918b& [14:55:58] you have to apply it to the `border-image` too. [14:57:25] not bad tbh [14:58:00] I reused an old template box I had to make it. I think it is a clean and usable layout [14:58:36] What do you mean? [14:59:24] [1/3] ```css [14:59:25] [2/3] border-image: background: linear-gradient(to bottom, #6A5ACD 30%, #D8BFD8 100%) [14:59:25] [3/3] ``` [14:59:44] Eyeblinding templates: Oh, Lord and Lady is this ToyHouse.se or something? [15:00:32] basically the content is the same, except that the `border-image` IS the same linear gradient background [15:04:56] What are you using for the render? [15:06:30] I don't understand where i need to put that. [15:07:04] a:PeepoSadRain: [15:07:32] I normally manage to follow such instructions but maybe today isn't my day... [15:08:04] Could you please re-explain how I would need to add that? [15:22:18] A crhome addon [15:23:32] What’s the name? [15:31:47] mobile simulator chrome extension [15:31:58] is there any way for me to recover my wiki? it hasnt been edited since december but i'd hate to have to remake it entirely [15:32:41] Is it closed or deleted? [15:32:46] mobile simulator chrome extension [15:32:57] Danke [15:33:27] For the former, [[RfRW]]. For the latter, [[SN]] [15:33:27] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/RfRW https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SN [15:33:28] [1/2] [15:33:28] [2/2] [15:33:45] https://uoprimal.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [15:33:56] seemingly deleted. last edit was less than two months ago tho [15:36:34] On on Stewards Requests [15:36:40] Ask* [15:46:02] I use the mobile simulator chrome extension to work on making my wiki mobile acessable [15:49:25] talk about SN, I'm still waiting to test out the article path setting [15:54:00] just did it thanks [15:54:56] I forgot if anchoring is possible, but maybe to section? [15:56:13] URL fragments work by the id attitude [15:56:26] So adding a div or span with an id should work [15:56:55] [1/2] Ie div id="wowza" [15:56:55] [2/2] [[Pagename#wowza]] [15:56:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Pagename#wowza [15:56:56] [15:57:00] At least I think [15:57:12] Not totally sure but it should work in theory [15:57:25] IN WIKI THEROY- [16:01:25] Is anyone actually looking into AN? [16:01:37] Well that’s nice https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/647875094328115211/1211306976798310471 [16:01:41] Oh meta? [16:01:44] On* [16:01:47] yes [16:02:41] on the meta wiki [16:07:58] i've requested translator permissions 5 days ago [16:32:00] [1/2] @eatyourglory Solved! [16:32:01] [2/2] https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/Template:Community [16:32:09] [1/6] ```
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Community Article/h2 [16:32:09] [3/6]

If you have information to add or would like to contribute, please feel free to do so!/p [16:32:10] [4/6]

This means it focuses on aspects of the community surrounding the topic, not the game itself./p [16:32:10] [5/6] /div [16:32:10] [6/6] ``` [16:34:17] I salute y’all [16:35:58] [1/2] Something went wrong [16:35:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211350889881935932/Screenshot_20240225_103544_Firefox.jpg?ex=65ede16d&is=65db6c6d&hm=640b7d674ef6530ffa6e40ab72ba2c39c3af65fe67815a548c9f3e9cb79917e0& [16:36:08] I have that error too [16:36:56] Same issue for me [16:36:58] @Site Reliability Engineers [16:37:02] [1/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211351156572553286/Screenshot_20240225-083552.png?ex=65ede1ad&is=65db6cad&hm=23327772e18f11f92af31bb2500146cd895a8ba9293926982de337d9f2f8952e& [16:37:02] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211351156979269652/Screenshot_20240225-083617.png?ex=65ede1ad&is=65db6cad&hm=66b916a88b7e1986ab8df15cbd87dcf4c084c13def04597def356819fe611b00& [16:37:02] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211351157302370335/Screenshot_20240225-083623.png?ex=65ede1ad&is=65db6cad&hm=8a85925062ccead39a984e87b50d92d7146ebcd95ee837648dad76bbb84e433a& [16:37:50] [1/2] Ok it let me load this time [16:37:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211351356833538119/Screenshot_20240225-083734.png?ex=65ede1dd&is=65db6cdd&hm=9f4bb18d4ae56b466ffa12f7b871596c3bb55f65da0bbd75b22ed6da8cceae71& [16:48:10] I think that Template:Community is quite nice, not my taste though [16:48:20] I think that Template:Community is quite nice, not my taste though [16:56:32] people looking, yes. _Admins_ looking, probably [16:57:04] almost all the meta admins are also either Stewards or SRE or both at the same time, with the exception of Zppix, iirc [17:00:23] also, been 22 days since I requested an update to github's interwiki entry [17:28:47] Hi all [17:28:51] How are we? [17:29:03] procrastinating [17:29:27] Hello, learning wikimedia the first time. Any particular page I should check out first? [17:30:23] [[mw:Help:Contents]] [17:30:23] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents [17:30:24] [17:30:40] Thank you [17:30:45] playing showdown, like a productive member of society [17:30:58] Mostly Editing/Advanced Editing :pupCoffeeMH: [17:31:02] You mean Mediawiki? [17:31:12] Yup, my bad [17:31:16] No worries [17:31:51] Very productive indeed [17:59:53] Is there a way to prevent dark mode from inverting a background image? [18:02:49] [1/2] CSS tweaking, listed here [18:02:49] [2/2] [[mw:Extension:DarkMode]] [18:02:49] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DarkMode [18:02:50] [18:04:21] [1/2] In Timeless.css, how would I edit tables colour? [18:04:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211373131134935050/image.png?ex=65edf624&is=65db8124&hm=98ecd9adb8f9a65fe3ca78f377e5958d5adba723a35fd2970cd9ea9465764b03& [18:05:55] Look at the classes using inspect element probably [18:06:23] Bunch of ""'s [18:06:44] ```style="background: linear-gradient(to bottom, #6A5ACD, #D8BFD8); margin:1em; padding:5px 20px; border:5px solid; border-image: linear-gradient(to bottom, #6A5ACD, #D8BFD8); border-image-slice: 1; border-radius: 10px; color: white; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"``` [18:06:47] Found that [18:06:57] this is the kind of question that is hard to answer if you don't know CSS basics tbh [18:07:03] wait hold on, do I just edit it in HTML? [18:07:21] Or must it be CSS? [18:07:32] although CSS would o it for all tables so I'd go for that [18:08:09] Yeah go for css [18:08:15] you could do it online but [18:08:45] anything with class=? [18:08:52] :Shrug: [18:09:01] Would like [18:09:04] [1/9] ```/ Changing table background color / [18:09:05] [2/9] table { [18:09:05] [3/9] background-color: #8C6745; / Brown / [18:09:05] [4/9] } [18:09:06] [5/9] / Changing top section background color / [18:09:06] [6/9] #top-section { [18:09:06] [7/9] background-color: #C9A86E; / Light Brown / [18:09:06] [8/9] } [18:09:07] [9/9] ``` work? [18:09:15] or maybe name= ? [18:09:20] a:thonkspeen: [18:09:29] can't hurt to ig [18:09:32] reduce reuse recycle >:) [18:09:39] wat [18:09:56] That means fuck it give it a shot [18:10:05] Well we can only wait [18:10:29] lol [18:10:39] fuck around and find out [18:10:55] Note I believe you can also add CSS rules in the inspector to instantly see how they look without saving and waiting [18:11:25] it is [18:12:30] If you really wanna go hard you could use a code editor to have a mock web server on local host and edit a css file there then call it in your common css so your test css shows on all pages [18:12:41] I’ve seen it done for JS at least [18:12:50] I think it should work with CSS [18:12:52] does it have `class="wikitable"`? [18:12:56] correct me if in wrong [18:13:20] By the fact it's not working after a good few mins it's not gonna work [18:13:28] Idk [18:13:37] check the source code [18:13:51] yes [18:13:58] ```{| class="wikitable"``` [18:14:57] [1/2] here you go [18:14:57] [2/2] gotta modify this class in CSS [18:15:03] alright [18:15:18] Would this be best in common or timeless? [18:15:50] Depends [18:15:56] if you modify only Timeless and no other skins, then Timeless [18:16:04] yep, alr then [18:16:06] If you want it to show even if the user choses other skins then common [18:16:07] else [18:16:10] legroom [18:16:11] So what Am I putting in CSS? [18:16:21] changes [18:16:22] you sent it before i think [18:17:06] simple background color lines should work [18:17:12] Can someone just give the needed CSS and I modify for the correct colours..? [18:17:20] It’s pretty trivial [18:17:44] Given the amount if CSS AoC has you should be ablento reuse and just change class named [18:18:03] to me your speaking anothe rlanguage 😭 [18:18:10] Just what Do I put in there? [18:19:01] man, you really need to start learning at this point [18:19:08] .. [18:19:15] Ye, but not rn [18:19:23] you'll have better grasp of what you want ot look like too [18:20:10] Background #8C6745 and top section #C9A86E [18:20:13] simple [18:20:21] It's not that hard to learn CSS [18:20:27] That’s what I’ve been telling myself about JS for months. :sad: [18:21:31] [1/2] So white to #8C6745 and grey into #C9A86E [18:21:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211377452987850792/image.png?ex=65edfa2b&is=65db852b&hm=c1f3c5df2d585b13c90e7bcda8db2d8fb685946ba611cd878e909277dd95ba77& [18:21:39] Is that easy to visualize now? [18:22:27] The top section is a selection, telling what to change. So in English its more “in the wikitable class, change the background color to x. In wikitable, top section, make it y” [18:23:22] im not totally sure about the top section part though, legroom do you know if it would just be “.wikitable, #top-section {“? [18:24:26] it's `th` if you talk about headers [18:25:10] That’s the class? [18:26:03] man that's an element [18:26:17] oh mb [18:26:24] . [18:26:25] im tired today havent had lunch [18:26:50] so.. What Do I put in the CSS to achieve the colour look? [18:26:52] me plus no lunch = stoopid okay [18:27:03] lunch is important go get it lol [18:27:26] the CSS code that achieves the desired style objectives as set forth by you 😉 [18:27:50] `.wikitable th` for headers [18:28:05] what [18:28:34] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+code+css [18:28:34] it's just hard to explain, sorry for my answer [18:28:40] Just.. How Would I go with the CSS to edit the colours to the ones I picked, Should be relatable simple no? [18:28:45] man [18:28:54] Sorry.. [18:29:06] you've copied so much CSS you can even see how it goes [18:29:10] I think they're trying to encourage you to figure some out of it on your own [18:29:23] [1/3] .class ... { [18:29:23] [2/3] stuff here [18:29:24] [3/3] } [18:29:33] about to leave for it now lol, but far so uh ill manage :sadcatthumbsup: [18:29:40] I also linked you yesterday or the day before that MDN's introduction to CSS [18:29:45] Yeah [18:30:27] Y'all [18:30:44] I just has to edit the html - atleast for the background [18:30:51] ```{| class="wikitable" style="background-color: #8C6745; color: white;"``` [18:31:17] yeah, now you do this on every wiki table on normal page [18:31:28] that'll make the table unreadable iirc, color refers to font-color [18:31:28] or modify wikitable in css once and for all [18:31:57] kindly, No-one would tell me how, You just said learn CSS like it was nothing [18:32:19] [1/2] because it really easy [18:32:19] [2/2] you start w/ basic and have a lot of examples [18:32:32] you need to see what are elements and what are rules [18:32:56] but you keep going blind asking for every bit [18:33:11] Sorry, my bad [18:33:14] this and https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1211379433760489532 have all the info you need [18:35:56] Hello there. I need some help with a problem that I don't even understand what caused it. I can no longer use VisualEditor in the Article/Main namespace, even though no admin has ever modified this namespace. Can anyone help me with this please? [18:36:29] what is the name for the top area? [18:36:31] Believe this may be a server side issue since others have reported the same issue before [18:36:42] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211381276096069712/image.png?ex=65edfdba&is=65db88ba&hm=a331417e4848ccc74f34bcd840188f74f68625f22092fbd7819546fbc8815f5d& [18:36:48] What's the name for it? [18:36:50] yeah, it's VE being VE [18:37:00] As the other is background colour [18:37:01] only on main namespace? [18:37:03] standard solution is disable and re-enable VE [18:37:12] Okay touche maybe not all in those two [18:37:14] if that doesn't work we can work from there [18:37:19] ? [18:37:21] here [18:37:30] thats an L for me [18:37:32] Oh, OK. Thanks. I see. Is there anything I can do on my side? Or do I have to open a ticket somewhere? What's the process for this? [18:38:01] First try disabling and re-enabling VE, this is known to happen a lot on MH [18:38:02] I will try it out. Thanks. [18:38:21] if that doesn't work open a ticket at [[Phorge]] and the tech people will take it from there [18:38:21] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge [18:38:22] [18:38:30] even wiki.gg has problem w/ VE I believe [18:38:31] Check if ones not already open also [18:39:02] VE was made by British people that’s probably why (joking) [18:39:10] "the tech people" [18:39:12] could you please send that again? [18:39:16] i'd like to learn css [18:39:55] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/First_steps [18:40:08] googling w3 css also has good stuff [18:40:21] they have introductions to HTML and JS as well > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn [18:40:54] or SRE, if you want to be fancy smh :/ [18:41:26] eh [18:41:34] SRE is a subset of the tech folk [18:41:53] ie you’re a tech guy(i think) [18:42:08] but not site reliability [18:42:10] I think [18:42:22] one day I woke up and had some very fancy buttons on GitHub 🙂 [18:42:41] (I think was referring to the guy part not tech [18:42:53] as well as some kind of shell or something at one of the servers? IDK what that is [18:42:59] lol [18:42:59] /joking of course [18:43:22] oh yeah you have shell on mirabeta right? [18:43:35] yeah [18:43:52] https://tenor.com/view/fancy-tuxedo-winnie-the-pooh-gif-15693976 [18:43:54] fancy [18:44:42] 🧐 [18:45:43] should be a superset!!! [18:46:16] so true! Add me to SRE then it will be [18:46:19] if someone wants to join SRE but are afraid of scary stuff like NDA's, you don't need one necessarily for the SWE positions unless you want shell access [18:46:24] i am very bad at tech! [18:46:56] I can’t even sign an NDA lmao [18:47:04] no mirabeta for moui [18:47:05] NDAs = scary [18:47:27] Supposedly if I break mine a Wikitide director will show up to my house and kidnap me /j [18:47:44] Do you know SCP? [18:47:56] yeah, kind of familiar [18:48:29] https://tenor.com/view/leg-pulling-robbery-kidnap-let-go-gif-5200113 [18:48:35] OS [18:48:51] Well, we actually have our own version of SCP-096 that detects and finds anyone who breaks their NDAs 🙂 [18:49:53] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211384590783086622/image.gif?ex=65ee00d0&is=65db8bd0&hm=8f33bcb0bf7fcbf02931621009726ae8d3a84883316812d5b967c0130772cc41& [18:50:14] lol, NDAs didn't scares me [18:50:30] but my parents does [18:50:36] /j [18:51:18] they kind of do for me, which is a good thing, it reflects the seriousness of these documents [18:51:30] yep [18:51:45] in fact being an MWE and having shell access to prod is what prompted me to buy a yubikey, to protect my SSH key [18:52:00] I'm not sure scary is the correct work [18:52:12] When you don't read the NDA [18:52:12] But they are a binding document [18:52:18] https://tenor.com/view/cat-grin-smile-smirk-awkward-gif-22382508 [18:52:21] And they could be enforced [18:52:44] fun? fact: Adrian just got term-ed after breaking Supercell's NDA, by leaking something from the game dev [18:52:46] If you aren't reading a Miraheze/WikiTide NDA, it could well be revoked [18:53:14] or sued [18:53:27] And you're signature indicates you did, it could very well open you to be criminal and civil liability if you breach it [18:53:30] /signed gaming NDA once/ [18:53:37] in fact, I remember not being able to wait until I had my key, being nervous that some browser zero day stole my key [18:53:54] dang [18:54:01] had no reason to believe that since I use NoScript, but still made me nervous [18:54:12] Hm? [18:54:21] noscript.net [18:54:59] since most exploits take advantage of JS in one way or another, what better way to defend that disabling JS completely! [18:57:00] > the web is really safer with NoScript! [18:57:08] /j [18:57:15] it is [18:57:31] it also turns it into a very broken web [18:57:34] unfortunately [18:58:01] harsh, but it is [18:58:17] yeah-. [18:58:40] [1/2] Thank you for the previous question. I opened a ticket on Phorge. [18:58:40] [2/2] I have another question: Is there an easy way for (local) admins of a wiki to modify the Main Menu on the left, just like Miraheze Meta includes Noticeboards? [18:58:44] I need to get into practicing proper internet security hygiene [18:59:02] on MediaWiki:Sidebar [18:59:05] a page at your wiki [18:59:18] I have 2FA on my discord and GH, and store passwords on my phone. Thats about it [18:59:36] tbh if I am at least SE someday then I'm glad to turn up the lax level of my security hygiene [18:59:40] I trust my phone to have my bank details [18:59:50] would never trust it with my MH credentials LMAO [18:59:56] priorities straight 😉 [19:00:01] Lmao [19:00:03] Awesome. Thanks! Found it. 💯 [19:00:21] The main issue is I dont fully trust myself not to lose my phone [19:00:42] I should see about backing up my 2FA and stuffs [19:01:01] I should also probably enable 2FA on my mira [19:01:07] Yes [19:01:12] Very much yes [19:01:22] note to self for latee today then [19:01:25] Check Authy. I believe it's doing it automatically. I have Authy both on my phone and laptop. And they sync (for free). [19:01:50] authy didn't work for me when I set up 2fa in discord 🥲 [19:01:52] Authy is what I use 😄 [19:01:57] i guess russia moment [19:02:04] Oof. [19:02:21] But tysm for the tip [19:02:36] [1/3] so w/ google i stay [19:02:37] [2/3] it already knows a lot about me [19:02:37] [3/3] ngl trust him more than kremlin [19:02:51] [1/2] How Do I change this grey section using html? [19:02:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211387852466954310/image.png?ex=65ee03da&is=65db8eda&hm=3fa19cc51bf94f694c96506224ad114ef6ef4779d68d2f5175990c7540ab0792& [19:02:54] I trust nigerian princes more than the kremlin [19:03:04] kremlin? [19:03:07] ```https://agesofconflict.wiki/wiki/Content_Creators?action=edit``` is currently what makes the background [19:03:13] russia [19:03:53] A less "secure" (but convenient) way is to store the generated QR code of MFA inside a folder in a safe place in a safe cloud. So even if you lose all your devices, you still have access to them. [19:05:30] Or print it out irl [19:05:54] Guys my first tatto is gonna be my 2FA token [19:06:11] what about using css? [19:06:23] Yeah [19:06:28] Those guys suggest I learn CSS [19:06:32] im assuming he means how to use css to do that [19:06:37] That's not an easy thing - for me at least [19:06:57] As you guys can probably tell I'm pretty dense [19:06:59] you should write CSS targeting the `th` elements in the table [19:07:01] That's not a good idea [19:07:05] that's what those are [19:07:06] For many reasons [19:07:13] 💀 [19:08:14] a:skulls: [19:09:35] It’s a great idea what are you talking about ™️ [19:10:08] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Andreas_Alexander_Ulrich is odd [19:11:31] :whipped_look: [19:15:59] Okay, what is going on? [19:16:07] [1/2] Translate says: [19:16:07] [2/2] And I ban teen sluts: And I ban precocious teenage girls if they harass me. I'm a public figure and I don't want to be bothered with that kind of shit [19:16:19] lol [19:16:36] a:chillmaxchipseat: [19:16:54] I kind of get the feeling they really don't like underage girls after all, anyone else? [19:17:12] Maybe? [19:17:21] They arent very clear [19:17:33] a very open to interpretation message [19:17:47] code of conduct violation goes on [19:19:12] 🍿 [19:19:15] they may say something about the MH itself [19:19:25] that's what i think tho [19:19:41] but seriously, I need to get some sleeps now [19:19:54] it's 2:20 AM rn :skull_c: [19:20:01] go to sleep!!! [19:20:08] what you doing on Discord!! [19:20:32] check out my request when you can as I'm not going to wake up that soon a:skullSpin: [19:21:26] I wouldn’t put it like that but [19:21:35] yeah something like that [19:21:39] it's a reference to their previous edit [19:21:51] talking about "underage woman" [19:22:26] Oh believe me...I have been awake at all times of the day and night by now on here. [19:22:40] and on wikis in general [19:23:05] My sleep schedule is finally getting more consistent...but yeah. [19:23:36] me when I have to wake up at 7:00 AM for school 🛌 [19:23:50] oops, and oh my I forgot this was the general channel [19:23:57] welp off I go to it then [19:26:24] I need to sleep already but I haven't patrolled edits on my wiki in 2 days [19:27:01] Imagine having edits to patrol, mine are just barren wastelands. [19:27:12] But yeah, I know how much of a pain patrolling is sometimes too. [19:27:32] Since I've done it before. [19:27:36] I haven’t patrolled in two months cause theres no edits to patrol [19:27:38] lmao [19:27:46] Well other wiki i do patrol [19:28:40] this right here [19:28:44] lol [19:28:50] It's honestly so relatable. [19:32:26] request patroller on meta, give some generic "help against vandalism" reason, and you'll have plenty of edits to patrol 😉 [19:32:44] wait, patroller doesn't exist anymore, does it? [19:32:47] or was it rollbacker [19:32:52] That reminds me of when I was one there. [19:33:04] not sure [19:33:13] I know its at least one of them. [19:34:44] Who knows I just might [19:35:05] mught me thinking of patroller and autopatroled being split [19:35:16] Ah yeah, that. [19:35:28] Then rollback is the one that got axed, I'm pretty sure. [19:36:08] [1/2] Another good source is Wikibooks [19:36:08] [2/2] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cascading_Style_Sheets [19:36:24] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Meta_usergroups_reform#Proposal_1_(Elimination_of_rollbacker) [19:36:25] Yep [19:37:37] I mean according to the meta page autopatrolled is given when you have at least 30 edits normally or smt. I got it with practically zero :smil: [19:37:55] policy exists to be ignored [19:38:03] in practice it is given at sysop discretion [19:38:07] Amen [19:38:10] Yeah [19:38:39] I got it cause I asked agent for confirmed so I could request a OAuth app [19:38:40] My view on wiki administrative tasks was like...not completely with the norm it seems. [19:39:16] that's usually how things were going on my wikis but now one finally gets interest from community, 7 years later [19:39:30] And probably just gave me ap to not have my edits be flagged cause i already know why meta [19:39:34] and I'm just "well shit, now I gotta handle this" [19:39:55] I hated waiting forever on stuff...when I liked to just be able to do it. It came with its fair share of consequences, but it did also help me learn more about when to use such functions. [19:40:07] So it was a mixed bag. [19:40:50] ah yeah [19:41:23] I got AP pretty easily too. [19:41:31] In the beginning. [19:50:13] thats one of my favourite wikis to look at visually [19:50:14] so aesthetic [19:53:05] which ond [19:53:11] gogantic [19:53:43] I didn’t even ask lol [19:53:47] Ah [19:54:18] Guys lets make an award for awesome wiki css and name it the Legroom award [19:54:18] Okay then [19:54:26] Agent just gave me AP one day, or was it Reception? [19:54:33] Well there goes my attempt at being social then too. [19:54:36] thanks anyway [19:55:22] Really? [19:55:24] Actually, now I'm remembering that moment an abuse filter blocked me on Meta, way back when I signed up [19:55:28] I'm not up to date on that \:P [19:55:44] It's curious to think what would have happened if nobody unblocked me [19:55:51] Give me the award for biggest wiki loser at this rate. [19:56:00] :sad: [19:56:04] You'd be spending your time more productively 😆 [19:56:13] um no of course not [19:56:35] You’re not a loser [19:56:49] :StrongestOpposeMH: [19:57:10] wait no oppose the oppose [19:57:14] lol [19:57:25] oopsie [19:58:38] but then my time as an MWE would have never happened, which is pretty sad [19:59:00] Like, I was an asshole back then, but I still think it was good for me [19:59:09] maybe not so much for Miraheze, I guess [19:59:25] I mean that's still further than I made it in. [20:00:30] [1/2] Sometimes one needs a break for a couple of years, get totally away from it, and then strat anew. [20:00:30] [2/2] It did wonders for me to get out of that Toxic Wikipedia environment. [20:01:12] You can get sucked right into it, and breaking away from it can be hard. [20:01:34] oh...yeah Wikipedia already seems harsh from the outside [20:01:48] It's kind of why I never wanted to edit there. [20:01:59] Even on subjects I was passionate about. [20:02:05] Whenever someone adds a page that is not up to standard, they plaster it full of warning templates [20:02:14] cough WikiProject Tropical Cyclones moment [20:02:43] Wikipedia just intimidated me way too much to begin with. [20:02:53] To even start editing there in a real way. [20:03:27] Same here. Religion had my interest, and as most of them are agnostic, non religious or evolution/science oriented, you're quickly seen as a nutter. [20:03:48] My few edits are mainly me seeing a page about a topic I like, mainly characters from shows, seeing a line and expanding on it a little [20:04:13] And it's worse on the Dutch Wikipedia and Danish Wikipedia than the English version [20:04:25] Or a fix on a project page ie adding {{Pastmeetup}} or uodating a discord page [20:04:25] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Pastmeetup [20:04:26] [20:10:22] 100% agreed [20:10:47] there's so many useful things to do in life but yet you're babysitting people on the Internet \:P [20:11:01] Indeed it is [20:11:42] lol [20:11:58] That was my job for many years too at one point. [20:12:05] Even if I wasn't apparently good at it...but whatever. [20:12:41] If they want to throw me away like trash, then so be it. I just still hate it though. [20:14:08] that's just life [20:14:20] I'm just waiting to be thrown out of Miraheze as well \:P [20:15:10] Oh please, like you would. [20:15:17] You're actually respected. [20:15:22] I'm nothing of the sort. [20:15:34] That's why I hate myself so much. [20:15:36] You were on your respective community [20:15:44] Yeah "were" [20:15:51] oh well [20:16:21] exactly, my point stands [20:16:27] @agentisai have a moment for some stewarding [20:16:35] quick CU I think [20:16:46] not enough for a CU, I'm on the move to an event [20:16:54] Ah okay [20:17:06] plus, I'm sure my Pixel will slurp it's battery up before I get there <.< [20:17:14] rip [20:17:20] No worries, if you have a sec later? [20:19:56] I think Void is online, at least according to biscord but the impression i get is that he’s on a hiatus/break so [20:20:21] Maybe reception or Kiju are online idk timezones [20:20:31] It'll be late for Reception [20:20:40] We do have a noticeboard for CU requests [20:20:57] Void is pretty busy generally [20:23:05] makes sense [20:23:20] It's 5 AM in Japan so I don't think Kiju is online [20:23:40] Mhm. Counter point [20:24:00] Have you seen the sleep schedules this lot keeps? [20:24:11] True lmao [20:24:20] Or don’t keep [20:24:40] I'm not sure most of our users know what sleep is [20:27:03] The discord effect. [20:27:08] [1/3] those hero "cards" are my proud and joy tbh, because I managed to make them close to game's UI (the layout w/ tabber wasn't my idea tho, a guy suggested based on other MOBA wikis), but the general styling ended up about beta UI (now new players beg for a dark mode lol) [20:27:08] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211409062609166386/2024-02-25_23_26_29.png?ex=65ee179b&is=65dba29b&hm=e55d57ac08d60ab84b95ec0f8329375c822118025b2196b5162741c8d1778b32& [20:27:08] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211409062986518568/Xenobia_character_sheet.jpg?ex=65ee179b&is=65dba29b&hm=0fa49aef7ca129fe9013c0326e4eb57b5a020aa02da24c324aa9c797b7f6af08& [20:27:15] I imagine most of our casual editors likey do [20:27:25] I don't think it's just discord [20:27:46] Jimbo Christ that is AWESOME [20:28:14] wait is that game or wiki [20:28:22] screenshots from game lol [20:28:26] Still cool [20:28:52] I need to rework tabber tho, it's too heavy [20:28:56] I thought the left was on wiki for a sec lol 😆 [20:28:57] all pages load at once [20:28:58] Imagine styling MediaWiki like that [20:29:00] Sleep is such a waste of time anyway, like imagine how much more you could have time for without sleep [20:29:13] need to adopt what dota2 wiki does [20:29:20] exactly [20:29:21] would be fire [20:29:25] oh these are gorgeous [20:29:27] What it do [20:29:28] [1/2] Nope, I've always been a night owl. [20:29:28] [2/2] I'm up until 3 or 4 am, and up again at 9'ish [20:29:37] Agreed these look awesome [20:29:38] oof [20:29:40] to say the least [20:29:51] Me with my 10:30-6 sleep schedule [20:30:05] If I get tired during the day, I nap 30 minutes and I am up again 😄 [20:30:13] I wish I could have the luxury of waking up at 9am [20:31:05] [1/2] the tabs at the top of the page are just fancy styled links, tied to subpages [20:31:05] [2/2] only one subpage loads and is viewable [20:31:32] [1/2] I have health issues, that bind me at home. [20:31:33] [2/2] So I am having a lot of time at hand, and not much physical energy to waste [21:02:01] [1/2] well shit, it's Lua [21:02:01] [2/2] [21:02:23] but they also use Cargo in there [21:02:36] so I can make it simpler? [21:05:03] simple very good yes yes [21:05:40] lol [21:06:08] heyyyy [21:06:18] so remember how I was trying to change the favicon [21:06:29] it still hasn't changed. which tells me I must have done smth wrong [21:06:41] anyway, what've y'all been doing? [21:08:00] is there a way to fetch a word after `/` in subpage title? :ThinkerMH: [21:08:13] and I have an unrelated question- though not for legroom, as I see you're on a break! Happy break! Hope you get a good chance to relax/ work on other stuff! [21:10:27] Through what? [21:10:42] Lua, magic words? [21:10:53] I dunno [21:11:30] But to be used on the parser layer not say JavaScript? [21:11:40] aight, I gotta sleep, maybe better thoughts tomorrow [21:12:00] Question: I have a lot of links to TARDIS wiki on fandom, and they finally have a new, independent wiki (Woohoo)! Is there a way to sort of mass change every link in the wiki that goes to the old wiki to the new one? Like, a way to view a list of every page that has a link that starts with http://fandom, so I can mass replace 'fandom' with 'wiki'? [21:12:03] night! [21:12:41] fr? this mammoth has finally moved? [21:12:48] yeah!!! [21:12:48] Regex and AutoWikiBrowser [21:12:51] yeah I helped move it [21:12:51] today!!! [21:13:01] on telepedia? [21:13:03] are those extensions I need to enable? [21:13:04] no [21:13:07] its independent [21:13:07] oh hi!! [21:13:10] ah [21:13:13] No [21:13:26] [[wp:AutoWikiBrowser]] [21:13:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wp:AutoWikiBrowser [21:13:27] [21:14:03] With a time machine, the best bet would have been to not use external links and just use interwiki links [21:14:27] interwiki links? [21:15:11] You know how we have [[dev:]] that links to the dev wiki? [21:15:11] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev: [21:15:12] [21:15:19] or [[wp:]] [21:15:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wp: [21:15:20] [21:15:22] yeah [21:15:29] You can request custom prefixes [21:15:43] so all links would have been [[tardis:pagename]] [21:15:43] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/tardis:pagename [21:15:44] [21:16:00] And you could just change it once or request it be changed [21:16:12] plus it would show as a wikilink [21:16:18] without the arrow thing [21:17:28] Actually, there’s currently a Request for Comment open proposing a change to the system. If it passes, wiki crates will be able to make and edit their own entries without requesing a dteward of Global Interwiki Admin to do it [21:18:30] I don't really understand what the wikilink thing would do materially. Like, apart from the arrow, how is that different from using an external link? [21:21:04] Dont need to type the entire URL every time and you can change the URL on all at once [21:22:30] how can I do that for my own wikis? [21:22:30] cool [21:23:56] Currently you need to ask in #interwiki-requests or on wiki if the bots are being too silly [21:24:14] But if the RfC passes you can do it yourself soon! [21:24:25] And it looks like it will [21:24:44] You’re all free to vote yourselves as well dont forget [21:24:58] I love democracy [21:25:01] Where do I vote? [21:25:30] [[RfC]] its the omnibus(?) rights link [21:25:30] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/RfC [21:25:31] [21:25:44] Look for the global interwiki admin one [21:25:47] [1/2] Awesome! Omw to vote! [21:25:47] [2/2] also I don't get the autowikibrowser- what category am I supposed to enter? I downlaoded it but am a bit stuck [21:26:00] use {{Support}} and don’t forget to sign [21:26:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Support [21:26:01] [21:27:37] Hm, to replace a URL? I’d use a regex substitution rule and a wikitext search for the base url [21:27:50] I sadly do not know some of the words you used [21:27:53] Not home rn so i cant provide an example [21:27:57] I'm still pretty new at all of this. What's Regex? [21:27:58] Fair! [21:28:07] Regular Expressions [21:28:20] a godsend and the biggedt pain in the ass 😄 [21:28:30] [[w:RegEx]] [21:28:30] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RegEx [21:28:31] [21:28:33] oh sorry, if you're busy feel free to ignore me, have fun, this isn't urgent! [21:28:44] nah im leaving a restaurant soon [21:29:08] Have fun! [21:29:50] Thanks! :smil: [21:29:57] Gonna read on the way back [21:30:17] Youths now a days. Can't leave their mobiles at home. 😄 [21:30:31] :tired: [21:36:52] [1/2] For when you are not tired adn get back and are ready: [21:36:52] [2/2] I hace no clue what I'm doing. I downloaded the AWB thingy but I can't figure it out. I'm reading about it on the page you sent but am still struggling. Like, what actually needs to go in the boxes of 'category' and in that long box, and what options and stuff should I be selecting? I'm just really lost here, sorry [21:39:08] totally underable a:LapistarPat: ill try and write smt up when i can [21:39:25] Thank you, I'd appreciate it (: [21:40:40] What’s the wiki and URL? [21:41:53] [1/3] this is my wiki: https://decapedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Decapedia [21:41:53] [2/3] this is the old fandom tardis wiki: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Wiki [21:41:54] [3/3] This is the new wiki: https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Doctor_Who_Wiki [21:43:54] yay Timeless [21:44:02] yes still not sleeping lol [21:44:40] I am going to open an RfC to give me, the only one with a sleep schedule, timeout perms to get people to sleep. [21:45:28] I can help you change the URL or I can help you request and replace with an interwiki [21:47:02] Whatever's easiest- this is probably the only time something like this would happen, as it's the only thing that is linked to a lot outside of the wiki itself, so I think I'm good with it being a one-off process rather than putting a system in place for it [21:47:15] and themetoggle :ThinkerMH: [21:51:56] i somehow got another free nitro trial [21:52:43] Very well. I prefer inter cause the external links icon and not typing the whole IP but if you want ill get the rules for replacement when I can [21:52:53] May not be today since I have homework [21:53:44] fair [21:54:00] can I do it with mass edit? or is that not doable? Just because I mostly know how to use that one already [21:54:12] :pepehypers: [21:54:26] Hm, can you show me the interface? [21:54:34] interface? [22:10:42] [1/2] Which one? [22:10:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211435127939530772/IMG_7005.png?ex=65ee2fe1&is=65dbbae1&hm=679219dcba55a682048ec0d1364d93fc4b52c8d29f2abee08480c08adb7bdfbc& [22:13:20] 1.1; 1.2 deals mainly with sanctioning bureaucrats who use interwiki entries improperly [22:14:49] 1.1 [22:15:02] 1.2 was removed from consideration [22:15:09] Thank you both. [22:15:19] Harej mentioned it should fall under ToU [22:15:22] That's true [22:16:52] Using Interwikis improperly? How does one do that [22:17:26] To link malware [22:17:26] Obviously by spamming rickrolls everywhere [22:17:38] Lmao [22:20:55] NEVER GONNA GIV- [22:28:13] <.labster, replying to pixldev> You know the rules, and so do I [22:28:43] @pixldev guess what. my wiki has so few pages that I manually went through every page and changed every fandom link to the new one and it took less than ten minutes 😆 [22:28:55] I can’t remember, the neeeext line [22:28:55] Thank you for all your help though! [22:29:04] lmao [22:29:09] No worries [22:29:18] less work for me [22:29:29] indeed [22:29:32] <.labster> Rickroll makes a great karaoke song [22:30:24] tru [22:36:24] [1/2] is there an extension or option i can ask to have installed on 1d6chan to allow for PDF to serve as their own thumbnail? [22:36:24] [2/2] I ask because looking at this page on another mediawiki shows me that the actual link to the file itself is a thumbnail, and I'd like to be able to do that on my wiki also: https://2d4chan.org/wiki/Alien:_The_Stranded [22:38:54] I’ll check the extension list of that wiki later today. If it’s maintained, we can open a Phorge ticket requesting it [22:39:45] [1/2] or is that just an extension at all? is it something even simpler? [22:39:45] [2/2] https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Alien:_The_Stranded because here it is on my new wiki and it doesn't do that [22:39:58] i mean i'd feel bad opening a Phab ticket if it's even simpler than that [22:40:13] wait i have a ping in this server [22:40:15] hol on [22:42:11] If it’s an extension and isn’t already on Miraheze it will need a Phab ticket [22:42:26] If it’s not an extension or we have it [22:42:30] No need [22:43:05] Feel free to browse https://2d4chan.org/wiki/Special:Version and look for the extensions if it is one [22:43:07] i know there was a ping i was gonna look at earlier this week [22:43:25] search for mentions: in the search bar [22:43:30] Hello! [22:43:37] ah found it [22:43:51] a:wavey: [22:43:52] i actually just checked out my DM's and apparently it was regarding that [22:44:00] Hi there [22:44:01] i have closed the wiki [22:44:25] womp [22:45:18] When creating a new wiki, what are some pages that are definitely the most important to work on first? [22:45:27] oh shit, I found it [22:45:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211443915488755773/image.png?ex=65ee3810&is=65dbc310&hm=e84025d3977a1b672698823671a7ddc93f19433d7e1fbe81f2ef577953847a98& [22:45:40] wow, that was fast [22:45:42] thanks for the heads-up [22:47:05] Oh, that’s a good question, it depends [22:48:22] If you are gonna have a decentralized community that convenes on wiki, stuff like community notice board, maybe Request for X pages and Admins noticeboard [22:48:33] my wiki has none of those :smil: [22:48:50] and in most cases not as important [22:48:59] Main Page is a biggy [22:49:22] the about the wiki page maybe, also core information about your topic, what it is [22:49:24] What do you think of for a general knowledge base for a game? [22:49:57] Templates are a big one. Stub, deletion, ect. Infobox templates are great if you plan on using them [22:50:17] how do you get to that page? [22:50:20] We have a great guide on [[Infoboxes]] and a ton of templated for you to use on [[dev:]] wiki [22:50:20] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev: [22:50:21] [1/2] [22:50:22] [2/2] [22:50:56] On the bottom of the page there should be an About Wikiname link [22:51:09] [[Project:About]] leading to [22:51:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Project:About [22:51:17] If this is your first wiki however, I'd say focus on writing pages about the game and learn templates along the way :pupCoffeeMH: [22:51:28] Also true [22:51:48] Also, would highly recommend learning source editor instead of visual [22:51:59] especially as and admin and ceat [22:52:12] I’ve been doing source editing on Fandom for a few years [22:52:17] Woo! [22:52:21] Do you think that knowledge would carry over? [22:52:27] Absolutely [22:52:33] It’s the exact same [22:52:41] That’s good then [22:52:43] Absolutely, the underlying engine (MediaWiki) is the same! :EpicFaceMH: [22:52:46] Miraheze and fandom both use the same software [22:52:52] [[mw:Mediawiki]] [22:52:52] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mediawiki [22:52:53] [22:53:01] What templates do you recommend? [22:53:05] Wikipedia as well [22:53:23] Things like stub, delete [22:53:28] Infoboxes for info [22:53:45] Theres lots on dev wiki [22:54:04] Making an MBox template to make templates is also good lol [22:54:06] also [22:54:13] no import from Wikipedia [22:54:19] for your sake [22:54:55] MBox is a box with an icon correct? Which stub delete etc use [22:55:02] Yeah [22:55:14] [[dev:Template:Mbox]] [22:55:14] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Template:Mbox [22:55:14] [22:55:21] a good one [22:55:41] and can be customized with css as needed [22:56:06] It has some lua dependencies, you might want to create a simplier one if you feel comfortable with templates [22:56:44] so it ends [22:56:50] But it's great if you indeed want a more complex template that's already made [22:56:55] has anyone seen soyoko around lately even [22:57:20] who [22:57:55] Anyways, give it a search on [[Special:ManageWiki]] [22:57:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki [22:57:56] [22:58:20] or the version page of meta.mirabeta.org [22:58:43] Since it has all extensions enabled iirc [22:58:47] founder of allpedia and a few places, most answers would be 'who' or 'no' at this point [22:59:05] pixel would you kindly post the fullsize of that emote so i can save it because it is adorable [22:59:07] ive had a friend request sent since around 2022, never seen them at all [22:59:13] a semi used not-wikipedia for the half minute it was alive [22:59:21] and also that specific one is actually in the miraheze library according to your meta site [22:59:35] [1/2] May not be full but [22:59:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211447429669458030/image.png?ex=65ee3b56&is=65dbc656&hm=1578a3f4fb4e11ad7105bcd0e21e966d0aa8a00f4f90ea9924c64e70ac3a45ba& [22:59:36] that extension i mean, PHOhandler [22:59:57] I’m in 102 servers [23:00:00] so lots of emotes [23:00:08] a:thumbs_up_parrot: [23:00:16] wait no ew fandom emoji [23:00:45] oh i missed the miraheze meeting [23:00:54] :prettythumbsup: [23:01:03] thank you [23:01:54] So in that case go to your own wiki, Special:ManageWiki/extensions and click [23:02:06] and save [23:02:20] how long does it take to go into effect? [23:02:31] Should be bear instand [23:02:43] we ought to have meeting recaps, maybe I'll try and compile the stuff mentioned [23:03:23] yeah [23:03:59] or feed to the ais to do [23:06:05] I realize I've never ever thought about that page and it's almost untouched since the Gamepedia era, I wonder if there's anything that should be done there :saintsmirk: [23:07:11] wowza [23:14:42] [1/2] any ideas on how to make this page look good? [23:14:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211451234418958406/28YyNOJ.png?ex=65ee3ee1&is=65dbc9e1&hm=2ef3e5c88cb35f1ae4a8dc50b7b764269c394ccbeb477dd425a796e323a1fe1d& [23:14:44] like visually [23:14:47] and the text aswell [23:15:47] CSS, changing colos, maybe the font [23:16:27] Maybe having more content ? [23:16:41] Like it just looks empty [23:17:57] mkay, i was thinking of making the links images of, well, the tool that the image is linked with [23:18:04] ik, its in wip lmao [23:18:30] Yeah but maybe it will look better with just more things [23:18:51] Depends of what you want to do [23:20:15] also works [23:22:11] i already said its in wip [23:22:15] like omg [23:22:42] Yes I understood that 😂 [23:23:50] well i mean, i really have no idea if it should have like a table title [23:23:57] [1/2] this thing [23:23:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211453564862341210/nc3RVzC.png?ex=65ee410d&is=65dbcc0d&hm=216e04857341048a9669e110f59fd665414a1c248a91d90fac45f87b2d407e80& [23:25:01] If you make Images link to other pages, that might be problematic. [23:26:16] why? [23:26:25] [1/2] Image licenses have to be visible at all times. [23:26:25] [2/2] Hence why they are prohibited to do that on Wikipedia for example [23:26:42] uh what [23:26:52] [1/2] i dont see em [23:26:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211454297972281344/vPjkpVq.png?ex=65ee41bc&is=65dbccbc&hm=f745949128bd834c87969faa2141fc4279442298d5e3ab982ffa24d7a046f949& [23:27:00] Each image has to be licensed [23:27:16] theyre aint copyrighted sooooo [23:27:17] Ye but maybe when you click on it [23:27:19] ? [23:27:33] If you put a link you can't click on them anymore [23:27:48] dont see em either, when i click on the image it redirects me to the page that it was linked [23:27:53] Everything is copyrighted [23:27:53] wym? [23:27:58] https://arosi.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [23:28:13] even the images that i took a screenshot from [23:28:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1205770821704876052.webp?size=48&name=insane&quality=lossless [23:28:36] they dont even contain copyrighted material [23:28:37] Exactly [23:28:46] yes they do [23:29:24] nope, i dont think like all of the assets used on the wiki is under a license [23:29:27] [1/2] Here if you click you arrive on this page, if there is a link you get to another point [23:29:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211454946898350120/Screenshot_2024-02-26-00-28-24-248_org.mozilla.firefox.jpg?ex=65ee4257&is=65dbcd57&hm=6fa3ae0259561ffddfea72f1cb5a725e44abc729b9c835acd814a4b017a20b1e& [23:29:30] The rule of thumb is, if no license is shown on a page, it is prohibited to copy and use it. It is copyrighted [23:29:33] And that’s why I support Creative Commons licenses. [23:29:57] How do I add licenses to my wiki? [23:30:21] hold up let me ask like the onwer of the assets [23:30:23] that i use [23:31:05] yea i dont think hes gonna kill me if i used his assets [23:31:12] i mean hes about to work on the wiki anyway xd [23:31:56] On each image page, write "This image is licenced under cc-by-sa 4.0" [23:32:08] ok [23:32:12] or any license that is applicable [23:32:25] theyre not my work though. [23:32:43] No that's what I mean. [23:32:57] You need to ask permission from the author [23:33:11] ? [23:33:15] k i already asked him [23:33:22] he didnt respond rn [23:33:25] On each image page, write "This image is licenced under cc-by-sa 4.0" [23:33:44] Then you have to wait. [23:33:52] [1/3] does this count as my own work? [23:33:52] [2/3] the text was added by me [23:33:53] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211456057587802122/VaOKkT4.png?ex=65ee435f&is=65dbce5f&hm=792bff42d7a3dc3f1e70ccef6c469a56cd37abdd42d8909e749799bf32b58cdd& [23:34:23] [1/2] For example take a look at my page: [23:34:23] [2/2] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Moss_Kingdom_Hall [23:34:55] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Moss_130305-2.jpeg [23:35:33] [1/2] also how do i make like these borders around the text and images [23:35:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211456483858980945/5yieDgW.png?ex=65ee43c5&is=65dbcec5&hm=cededfed410bcb99cd41281b65f3545214e4bf60e1935f491d0a048b8e25ade7& [23:35:44] I mean adding licenses to MediaWiki:Licenses [23:36:06] Ah. [23:36:13] hang on [23:37:20] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Licenses [23:38:06] As soon as you have copied that, you'll see them appear under the upload page [23:38:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211457310187331594/image.png?ex=65ee448a&is=65dbcf8a&hm=ebaa51bf89d72830efdc56f25249b14bad37b10e6eda8be26d2cdb67ff5df8fa& [23:40:02] Ok I’ll go copy that page [23:40:27] i quit recreating the, [23:41:21] [1/2] When you click that you'll see a red link to a template. [23:41:21] [2/2] i.e. Template:Cc-by-sa-4.0 [23:42:09] Then you can create a license template there, with the text. You can just copy the text from commons.wikimedia.org for example [23:43:02] Do I have to copy each template manually? [23:43:22] Like are there more efficient ways of copying pages? [23:44:14] You can use Wikipedia's Export page, and your own Import page for that [23:44:21] hang on [23:45:35] [[w:Special:Export]] [23:45:35] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export [23:45:36] [23:46:25] and on your own wiki: ```[[Special:Import]]``` [23:46:25] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Import [23:47:28] [1/2] Copy the templates that you want to use. [23:47:28] [2/2] It isn't likely that other then cc and public domain (pd) licenses are going to be used. [23:47:56] If the rare occurence arrives that a special license is needed, you can always manually add it [23:48:14] True [23:50:30] youtube is broken [23:51:04] huh [23:51:15] [1/2] i want to give up i want to give up i want to give up i want to give up i want to give up i want to give up i want to give up i want to give up [23:51:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211460432846389248/2Drdprr.png?ex=65ee4773&is=65dbd273&hm=652467115233be19897ffe213ebf6d1fe48ee06c8aa84eb086271a43c616d597& [23:51:35] progress [23:51:40] [1/2] If you like you can copy this too: [23:51:40] [2/2] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Information [23:51:44] :puff_thumbs_up: [23:52:40] I use the YouTube Command and it's not working anymore for all the videos [23:53:13] Try disabling and enabling the extension [23:53:31] @rodejong how do I put a license on an already uploaded file? [23:54:45] Just add this example to the page, but the correct one ofcourse: ```{{cc-by-sa-4.0}}``` [23:54:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:cc-by-sa-4.0 [23:55:16] All that dropdown menu does, is stubstituting these templates [23:55:25] ok now its working [23:55:45] Where in the page do I add that? [23:55:45] Likely a cache problem [23:56:00] At the bottom [23:56:15] Just above the category if there is one [23:56:18] i have no idea how pure css works [23:57:40] [1/2] ??????????????? [23:57:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211462043883012217/OnxEP4e.png?ex=65ee48f3&is=65dbd3f3&hm=f5ea1f79c69f7f1ae8ecc4bbe80ab2c6032ff02769ba0814fc215d7c9d6edd52& [23:57:50] reading, trying, failing, reading a bit more, trying again, succeeding, be happy, and try the next bit you want to do. Which you do by reading, trying, failing, reading a bit more, trying again, succeeding, be happy. And again and again [23:58:15] Did you type it correctly? [23:58:40] i just clicked on edit source [23:59:01] link? [23:59:33] https://arosi.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=edit, [23:59:40] It is still there [23:59:53] refresh page?